I have Bi-polor and it would take a long time to tell you all the shit i have gone through. I am going to the doctor on monday to get back on my meds. I know this will help some but I guess I need to get back into counsling too. I was doing very well for a long time but I ran out of meds quit counsling I figured shit i had counsling for 7 years. I don't need it anymore. But i guess i do. well thanks for listening. belive it or not you have helped!! and for that I thank you!!

well, if we helped then this forum is worth something after all.

I think the meds and councelling may be a life long commitment ..
hopefully you'll get government assistance for it ...

I am for physician assisted suicide. If someone wishes to die, they should be able to do so.

under certain circumstances sure .. incurable painful illnesses...

but for depression ? thats letting a drunk make up his mind to drive or not.

If you can help people have a good life through medication, etc ..
then they will be in a better frame of mind to determine if they really want to live or not ...

It's great to see we can have a mostly civilised discussion here.

:)

i think one of the issues, is that with some people they will make up their mind and will not change it for any reason

its almost like theyw ill set themselves up and allow no room for movemet

ex. my friend on a whim got married to her bf (navy was going to be shped to japan, needed to be married to go with him). ok they got an aprtment together but guess what, no car. so she would take a taxi to school. finally got a car and what does he do? "this car idsnt safe so i dont want u driving it" so he'd tkae both sets of keys with him tow ork

so the VERY NEXT DAY withou even tlaking to anyone hardly, she just calls the schools and cancels all of her classes. wouldnt even give hreself any way to move

same with suicide, peope will get it stuck in their heads fo deeply that theres NOTHING left for them, u cant even chang their mind that perhaps hey, ur not the only one, and there are peopel going through werse shit than u

stuborn.. hardhednessess...

You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

not necessarily to change their mind, hust to realize that out of the billions of people in th world now, and the billions before us and after us, that there HAS to be some people to experience the same, if not worse, than what u r experiencing now

yes the world is full of pain but just like that it is full of good too. u need the both, u cant have life withou death.

thats the problem really, depressed people focusing too much on the one. too much on the past, on the bad. when u hafto look at the WHOLE picture, yesterday, today, tomorrow, the good, bad, ugly.. etc..

i feel things deeply sure, im passionate aobut shit. but about all kinds of stuff. just like im passionate about certain problems in the world, im passionate about loves that i have for this world. i guess its just about being balanced. perhaps depressed people r too leaned one way..... just their viewpoint, hard to change.

I agree with this.

I used to be a very upbeat, positive person when I was younger. THEN the world fucks you up the ass, and I have become increasingly darker/depressed and more pessimistic over the years. However, to try and get out of these moods -- for me -- is damn near impossible. Every time I turn around (as if I am not at my own wits end) I have friends or family who are experiencing the same exact setbacks and my heart goes out to them...but at the same time, it is just confirming to me that life sucks and there is no way around it.

This is the way I feel, and I certainly didn't make me feel that way.

If it's not something within me...it doesn't really matter, because I am so affected by the people around me.

Exactly! And like Urg said that can be due to a chemical imbalance, so they are not really going to realise the good in their life if your brain is telling you that everything is bad\wrong.

yeh, i would sya a bulk of depressed people can fix on their own but there certainly ARE those cases whre they are just so warped.......

heres an example. all my cop classes are taught by cops, many retired but some are working. these are some of the goofiest guys ive ever met, always laughin, crackin jokes. very caring about all of us, wanting to talk to us, giving us the low down on everything etc etc

now think about it. all the crap they see, murder, rape, crimes upon children etc etc.... but do they go off and kill themselves? get stuck in a rut, get depressed and never want to go out? think 'life is such a shithole'

sure. there will be exemptions but for the most part, no. why? becuz this isnt heaven, this is real. there is always going to be both sides, the good and the bad. take 1 shithead, kills an innocent child. it sucks, but theres mor important things to do than bitkch and complain. u go out there, talk to people, find ou who did it. and during all this, people will come out with information, support, love... theres both sides to EVERYTHING. u just hafto look at things from all ways

just like th tsunami. yeh it sucks, 150,000+ lost, but thats the way the world works. before humans were here, tsunamis happene and their gonna continue. itsa part of life, but u move on, u do all u can, u learn from it, and importantly, CHERISH all you have, all that is around you (namely, each other)

It's hard to realize the good in your life (I mean REALLY sit down and realize it) until there is some kind of tragedy like 9-11. But even then, we all go back to being self-centered, brooding bastards after a while...lol.

exactly!!! just the way things work.. like how people all of a sudden turn to god when shit happens

then when shit happens again, they goa way from god!! back back forth and forth..

Very true.

I think society sets us up to concentrate on the bad. Take the news. You will have around 25 minutes of deaths that happened, how many car accidents there were, who got raped etc. Then at the end (if you are lucky) they may have a 3 minute story on something good\positive.

I have never watched, and do not watch the news. Some people think I am being shallow, or I don't care about my world, etc.

FUCK 'EM!

If it means missing out on an hour worth of doom and gloom, then yes...I am a shallow, selfish mother fucker!

Doom and gloom in entertainment is one thing. Real life sucks. :(

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i hear the irish play roulette with automatics..lol

We actually sound very similar! I am exactly the same with the news... don't watch it.

I didn't even know about the Tsunami until I went to work the next day and someone else told me.

If it is important enough I will find out about it eventually.

That's EXACTLY my attitude.

And because of that...I always get caught in those stupid awkward moments when someone says, "Did you hear about such and such?" And then they act all surprised when I say no.

I'm like you. If it's all that fucking newsworthy, someone who needs to be in the know constantly will fill me in.

I also rely on everyone else to give me the time too...cause I have never worn watches. :D

Everybody serves a purpose in life...lol.

yep. its very interesting when j. lo get married again but leonardo dicaprio going to Sri lanka about the tsunamis?

well not the greatest example but hey dirt on people is much more interesting than the ogod stuff

same about the news. i mean big things like 9/11 yeh yeh but sometimes they just go too far. the way things r u'd thnk violence is on the rise when really its just the opposite.

just boiils down to... whats more intresting? someone doin good or someone fuckin up royally?

LOL!! Yes sir, they do. :D

Which proves my point that humans -- by nature -- love controversy and mishaps. So, that's why it always bothers me when people get their asses up in the air regarding violence or sex in entertainment.

That's what we the people want!!!!

Nobody would watch the news if the programs consisted of good news.

could it be because... controvery and mishaps arent all that normal?

think about it, as a whole look at it yes, lots of bad shit goes on.

but if we were all to look at our lives singularly, how many of us could hon estly say, wow, my life is complete and utter shit (and not just becuz they have no friends and dotn go anywhere. i mean like losing ur loved ones tragically, diseases, ravaged by wild monkey mistresses etc etc.)

how many school shootings have their been? how many days were spent bein shot up at school... compared to everyday at school where NOTHING happened? most people will go through those 4 years (.... 5 or 6 for some i guess ;)) and see NOTHING like that.

again, its something different, making it interesting. problem is, people will choose only to see that. you show them 1 day where someone has an accident at disneyland and dies, and the other 364 days of that year where no one died and everyone had fun, will mean nothing to them.

Agreed....its human nature...

Yes. I think all that you said plays a big part in it. But it doesn't have to be just bad or controversial news regarding this either. There are more than enough people in the world who live a boring existence, and tend to live vicariously through T.V. stars, movie chracters, etc. Also, from first-hand experience, they also live through the lives of real-life friends, co-workers, etc.

lol. yep. i had some friends back in HS and seriously everything that happened with everyone else they knew about and could go on and on for hours. the same with that 'charmed' show, 'dawsons creek' omg they could go on and on

i guess i can see, the most fun is to be able to get along with people and u can certainly relate to characters. a lot of them are written off of the writers friends (matt groening based a lot of the simpsons off of friends)

people just tend to miss out on all the little things at life. i mean all the things that happen throughou the day, the week, yet its britney spears 55 hour marriage thats what gets everyone talkin!

Agreed....like her shallow pool of existance is any more substancial or valid than anyone elses or anyone who really works for their living:rolleyes:

There are so many better untold stories in the lives of our fellow humans around us than the ones portrayed on tv to entertain us....

I LOATHE this industry....

:) i guess in a way it brings us together as in, if i were to talk about the party last week, or tonight, only a handful would be able to relate

whereas pretty much everyone can talk about spears idiocy, brings us together at laughing at her :)

nice too though becuz people will IDOLIZE superstars.. peopel they hardly know and have never met!! people who are susceptible to the same BS that we do. hell they will do much worse sometimes!

I hate it when people have infactuations with celebrities. It's just so fucking stupid!

o ya. i mean i guess yeh sure its interesting sometimes but seriously people like make it their life to nkow whats going on with every celebrity.. subscribing to all the magazines and such

Reading this thread, I killed myself yesterday.

Greetings from beyond the grave!

I don't think I'll live to be 90. I probably will get cancer someday though...that's one of my biggest fears...getting cancer. For all I know, I may have it right now.
And I know things could be worse...I know my life could be alot worse...and I'm thankful that it isn't. But still that doesn't change the way I feel. I can't change my situation. It would take alot of money to change my situation and I'm not a rich person, unfortunately.

very interesting there. im on page 2. im guessing passion is you

stimmt das
(true that)

i love how everyone was arguing with you, it was great.

i was tempted to come in and say something along the lines of 'hes right to say this shit. because people who commit suicide are the most self centered, selfish people on the face of the earth'

but i got lazy. have to register and such...

du kannst auch 'na ja,' 'na klar,' 'ob ja,' und 'das stimmt!' sagen..... es gibt viel zu sagen.

this is a horror website not how to deal with suicide attempts or learn about them. all that is at places like checkyourself.com
lets talk about movies n books

hmmmmmmmmm

Well, this is the general forum hun. Did you see the thing that said "talk about anything here"? perhaps you would enjoy your stay more in the modern horror, classic horror, upcoming horror, books ect. forums.

i aploigize she my sister and she is a idiot she does stuff like that to piss people off so just pay no mind and keep going on with the originial topic of conversation