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aahahhaha

yohy lot dont know the half dof it. I'm abour to open the glenfiddidsng now and its' a big fat 1liert bottle and its 1;46 in the mornignand aI ant got work for 3 days loolooloooololllllll :D

gor blimey, the lad's knackered !

not yet inant

If you type like that and you're not drunk, wtf is it gonna look like when you are lol.

nonono, I understand that a lot easier than Modestas

"You lot don't know the half of it. I'm about to open the *some type alcohol* now and it's a big fat 1 litre bottle and it's 1:46 in the morning and I ain't got work for 3 days Bwahahahaha :D"

more or less, right?

Rayne, the puritans wanted to be free to practice their religion. notice, as soon as they started noticing others bneing interested in other religions (wiccan being one of them) they started burning, hanging and crushing them.

I think metallica had a good line on And Justice For All (i think it was Eye of the Beholder, the song anyway)


"Freedom of choices, made for you"

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I could not agree more! The term 'Marriage' is a religious one and should have never been allowed to become a legal definition. To me it's like saying that someone who has received the Christian sacrament of Confirmation gets a special tax credit each year.

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And it would also rule out making laws based on things in the bible

I do not agree with this half of your statement however. If we do away with laws that we got from the bible, then suddenly it becomes okay to lie, steal or cheat on your spouse. Our founding fathers made the majority of their rules based on the Bible. (Which is why you will find the 10 Commandments posted in almost every single courthouse in the country.) I don't think too many people would argue that we should legalize murder, so to some extent, we need these rules.

The ten comandments are basic rules for living your life, and they translate as "right" across any religion, or lack there of. However, you dont have to be religious to be moral. They are fundamental morals, the writers of the bible were just good enough to put it to paper.

they are common sense rules for existing within a community.
every society came up with similar beliefs,
Religion is used as an enforcer.
(if the penalty of law : execution/jail time/hand cut off .. isn't enough of a deterrent .. then maybe the threat of eternal damnation will do the trick)

And this is when the relationship of church and state started - and became so meshed in the christian church that at one point the king was 'ordained by god' and disobeying the wishes of the king was disobeying god him/her/it/self.

The history of the church and state is so rife with corruption and hypocracy it's embarrasing.

Wicca is actually a fairly new religion, whereas Pagans have many differing traditions and such. The Witch trials were done in an effort to control the masses. Which is basically what Christianity is all about, keeping the folks under control.

Basically when you go and get a marriage lic. you are legally married. My lady and I were married in a courthouse, and had our handfasting before that (Wiccan tradition).

I dont think that it really matters whether or not the gummit recognizes our religion. Although the Bush admin. made a point to say that Wicca is nto a legit religion. So much for freedom of choice.

The fact of the matter is that this country was founded on Christian values and by Christian folk and it doesnt look like it is going to change anytime soon.

I agree that its bullshit, that we talk about tolerance for other religions and so on as long as we agree with it:mad:

For a long time I kept to myself about my religious beliefs, my mother, I dont think can accept the fact that I am a practicing witch, she thinks its just a phase and somehow I will come out of it and return to being a Lutheran. its been nearly 20 years now, dont think that is going to happen.

To bad for her and those who dont believe, its only done me a world of good, and some for others on occasion when Cernunnos tells me its the right thing to do.

As for the Xmas tree, its a Pagan tradition, part of the Yule celebration, Dec. 21. probably why they moved the birth of Christ to the 25th to demoralize the witches. Same with Ostara, Imbolc, Samhain, and on and on. They were all Pagan traditions and were changed or attempted to change to control the masses. Its really sad if you think about it. But I dont really.:rolleyes:

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I'm fairly certain a couple of the other religions say that lying, stealing, and adultry are wrong. I'm a little fuzzy on their stance on murder, but they're probably against that, too.

What I meant was, quoting the bible as a basis for supporting or opposing laws. There was a guy on CNN who was on the school board in like Georgia or something who was debating in favor of paddling in school, and the only thing he used to back up his argument was passages from the bible. Stuff like that.

perhaps part of the reason is OK lets say the gov't recognizes paga, wiccan, etc etc

so how about jedis? peopel that want to marry their animals?

SO if we make the wiccans happy then the oompa loompas r gona get pissed. know what im sayin?? where do u draw the line?? kinda difficult...

draw the line over where they don't recognize any religions' marriages

Yes...No...No...Don't

There shouldn't BE a LINE...That's my point...ALL people should be permitted to form a 'pair bond' in ANY way that they choose, and it should be considered just as valid as ANY other...

NO ANIMALS...Dammit Fluff, what's your thing with sex and animals? :rolleyes:

Hell..The Carny way is the fastest, the easiest,and makes the most sense...lol.....Ride the merry-go-round together, you're married...Ride it backwards, you're divorced.......Fuck it...I'm just gonna be a Carny...I gotta new religion :)

But you can do that can you not. I mean what is the real difference from performing a Pagen ritual of some bonding/oneness thing and going in front of a judge and getting a document from the government. Other then you now pay more in income tax.

But if you have some one to perform it for you, why does the government have to acknowledge it. Or rather why would you?

Tax Benefits...Health Insurance...Social Security...Etcetera...

I've already made all of these points...

Well maybe it's different in the U.S but here, due to the fact i am a single working mother. I get a child tax credit, my day care subsidized and a supplement for daycare and i get most of my paid taxes back at the end of the year. Now if i got married i would loose like 700 a month not to mention having to pay roughly 250 a week in childcare, whereas now i pay 100 a month. I wish things hadn't gone this way, being a single mom but i'm not sure if i would get married even if he asked me.

Healthcare is covered if you make under 25 g's a year. Plus i pay 160 a month for death, life, perscription and optical. And that's for a family. IT would be more if i were married.

Now social security i'm not sure about that one. If you mean you would gain their benefits?

The phrase "wall of separation between church and state" appears in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church group. Jefferson was president at the time. The Baptists wanted Jefferson to declare national religious days, and Jefferson told them that the government must never do anything that can be construed as an establishment of religion.

The founding fathers were deists first and Christians second. They believed in God, but they didn't strictly adhere to dogma. I think Jefferson even had a heavily edited Bible - he cut out all the stuff he didn't like.

Exactly who can perform a legal marriage varies by state law.

Lets not compare a religious philosphy (Pagans) with Star Wars mmmK. Why should the gummit recognize any religion?? If someone wants to believe in the Force so be it.

And the oompa loompas are probably Sun worshippers judging by their tans. ANd what is wrong with that?? The gummit says its immoral and so in turn it must be wrong and in turn illegit.

I dont think the gummit should have any say in what goes on in the lives of its people concerning religion.

jewish
muslim
hindu
buddhist
are all legaly accepted. gesh.. ya bunch of christian bashers. if you people think christians are so bad. ya all ought to go spend some time in india, israel or saudi arabia. see how much religous freedom you have there.

i don't think just because they use it, doesnt mean they copied it. i think thats just wishful thinking on the part of pagans... pagans who spend all their time looking for some sort of pagan symbol in christinaity to either try and discredit christinaity or give their own pagan religion some much needed credibility. anyone could find a million similairites amongst other religions. for the simple reason that when one religion took over another. the people kept a lot of their old habits. like say the easter egg, for example. thats a pagan symbol. but when the newly converted christians started t ocelibrate easter. they automaticly thought of the egg as something that symbolised jesus rebirth. because the egg to them has always repersented rebirth/ birth to them.

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i'm glad u brought this up. its something i have been thinking about recently. cuz in a couple years i would like to marry my bf but i don't want to have a chrisian wedding i have strayed from that relgion over the years. never felt it was for me. needless to say my parents aren't happy w/ wht i ahve chosen but screw them. thats a long story in its self. but i have thought about a wedding thats to do w/ my beliefs but like u said it won't b recognized as legal. no sure my family would take it or his but it would b what i want. to honest and i have stated it to my mom i don't even want to wear a white dress. needless to say she had a cow over that too. i see nthing wrogw/ backorany other color

if you think that the christians are bad, just go to china, saudi arabia, the former soviet union, pakistan, or any other number of countries in the world and go to the government and ask them to recognise pagan weddings, or homosexual weddings. then come back, if you can, and be thankful that you live in the greatest country in the world. yes we are going to shit, but damn a person standing up to his knees in shit is still better off than one standing in shit up to his neck. and if you think that a lot of christians look down their noses at you, there are still about 2-3 billion muslims,hindu,and buddists looking down there noses at the christians.

well said young man.