Kerry. And im proud :D

George Carlin would have verbally destroyed both of them, he has my vote.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stingy Jack
2.) Bush rushed into the war without UN support, without a plan to win the peace, and with troops who were/are seriously lacking in combat defenses.

You better check your facts their Stingy. Your boy Kerry has voted down every legislation that was meant to fund the military.
In every way ,shape,and form. I'll gladly post all of the facts, if you would like.

Here are just a few:
1) In 1993 he voted to cut missle defense funding by $400 million.

2) In 1994 he voted to cut missle defense funding even more-by
$513 million.

3) In 1995, he voted to freeze defense spending for 7 years, slashing $34 billion from Defense Dept. funding.

4) He voted against an $11 billion military construction bill, which included $4.3 billion for military housing.

5) He voted to cut funding for B-2 bombers.

6) He voted again to slash another $300 million from missle defense research and development.

Man... I could go on and on if you want. Not to mention all the military upgrades he has opposed. Like replaceing the B-52 with the stealth bomber. Replacing the Poseidon SLBM ( submarine-launched ballistic missile) with the Trident 1 or 2.
Just think of what those soldiers would be going through if Kerry would have had his way. Oh, I also forgot about his wanting to cut $777 million in National Guard and Reserve equipment.

It's clear he is no friend of the fighting man. I think Zell is right...
if Kerry had his way we would be fighting this war with spitballs.

Please. If we compared them to Carlin then nobody would vote for them. We all have to lower our standards sometimes

What is John Kerrys plan for peace in Iraq Stingy? How would he have handled things differently, that would included UN support?
He has never once stated how he would have achieved these things. Just that he would have. Talk is cheap. Remember that.

I admire the fact that Bush raised our troops salary.I think they are underpaid and underappreciated.

China would defend North Korea? I doubt that. China is worried about no one but themselves. Last I heard, they were getting pretty tired of KIM Chong-il and his shit.

I admire Sistinas.:D

To say Kerry won the debates is one thing...To think that rhetoric and debating will help in making you the right choice for president is insane. What Im looking for in a leader is someone who stands by their word. A person who won't be pressured to change his opinion by the worlds opinion of his/her actions. I was thinking last night that this is what makes this country sooo great that the President and his opposition can debate and campaign and we the people will vote and decide who will be our represenitive to the world will be. This is why I believe we need to be the aggressors for democracy. Will it be easy? NO. Is it right for everyone to have the basic God given rights of Life Liberty and Property? Yes. Its for these reason that Bush remains the horse im backing. No amount of debate and discussion can persuade me to vote for a person who doesn't have the same beliefs I do.

Kerry definatley. Bush was stumbling all over himself, and all he could come up with was how a commander-in-cheif is supposed to act, and sounded a whole lot like a broken record. Bush has done nothing for us here at home in his four years...we are just as likely, if not MORE likely to be attacked by WMD,we can pretty much kiss social security goodbye.....I could go on and on...don't even get me started on heath care.
Bush went to Iraq for his own reasons, instead of going after the man who was the biggest threat to US at the time, he went after Saddam. Then when he did track down Bin Laden, instead of sending a special op to kill him, he hires the job out to war lords who were on the other side a week before, and convienently, he escaped.



As far as how stupid Bush is.....yes, he did go to Harvard, and he is a very BOOKSMART man, he lacks a whole lot in the common scense department though, and that comes in very handy quite more often than booksmarts. I feel that who ever is the spokesman for our country, who ever sits down with the leaders of other countries, should at least talk like they are a Harvard grad.


That's just my opinion......

I really don't care how Kerry would have handeled the invasion of Iraq..it doesn't matter because it cannot be undone, all anyone can do is clean it up...Bush has had ample time to make progress and get some of our boys home, he hasn't done it, and we are now facing the very real possiblity of starting the draft. All I can say is, Bush didn't do anything.....I'm ready for someone else to try. Alot of my beliefs are shared by Bush, but it seems that's how he got elected the first time.......he says he has these beliefs, but in office, he seems to forget them.

Very eloquent, no doubt, but is it true? If "life, liberty, and property" was a "God given right", it would be far more universal than it is or ever has been, and other cultures would be far more receptive to it than they are. The truth is that "democracy" and "liberty" as most in the West understand them have flourished only in the West and only in fairly recent eras.

What that means is that attempts to implant, spread or enforce democracy where it has no historical roots and doesn't belong will not only fail but will most likely create chaos and eventually tyranny—which is why such policies are a dangerous idea.

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.......

i cant say??? i didnt watch it! i was pissed because they didnt show CSI. i personally think bush and kerry should have some sicklovechild, then we'd have the almost perfect, akward looking president. ;)

Me and my Bobbie McGee......




:D

i have a special boy in iraq serving right now. hes gets $20 extra, a month. thats like... a DVD! WOWE!

higher officials are paid much more obviosuly, but who are the ones in the line of fire? grunts...

$20... please

GDIS

I dont mean getting more because they are in a battlezone.:rolleyes: I mean every soldiers base pay, at home or abroad.

Bush's debate Notepad.

http://www.thetalentshow.org/images/bush_rules_1.jpg

dude.........:rolleyes:

I am a Bush supporter, but I think that was funny as hell!:D

Your facts say nothing other than that Kerry voted against military spending when we were at a time of peace and trying to pull our national debt out of the huge-ass hole Bush Sr. sent us whirling into. What, exactly, were you trying to prove with these numbers?

And if you want to analyze Kerry's plan for fixing Bush's mess, go to www.johnkerry.com. There is an outline of his plan there for anyone who wants to access it. Here is some of what is there:

Today, we face three great challenges above all others - First, to win the global war against terror; Second, to stop the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; Third, to promote democracy, freedom, and opportunity around the world, starting by winning the peace in Iraq. To meet these challenges, John Kerry's national security policy will be guided by four imperatives:

Launch And Lead A New Era Of Alliances:
The threat of terrorism demands alliances on a global scale - to utilize every available resource to get the terrorists before they can strike at us. As president, John Kerry will lead a coalition of the able - because no force on earth is more able than the United States and its allies.


Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats:
John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to transform the world's most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation, while ensuring that we have enough properly trained and equipped troops to meet our enduring strategic and regional missions.


Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal:
The war on terror cannot be won by military might alone. As president, John Kerry will deploy all the forces in America's arsenal - our diplomacy, our intelligence system, our economic power, and the appeal of our values and ideas - to make America more secure and prevent a new generation of terrorists from emerging.


Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil:
To secure our full independence and freedom, we must free America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil. By tapping American ingenuity, we can achieve that goal while growing our economy and protecting our environment.

Nothing, that's all that Bobby left me

which is exactly all he gets.... $20 extra. whether on field or off.. thats it.. $20. oh but wait, once he gets back to the US that $20, along with his regular pay, will be taxed (tax free right now in iraq). so he'll make slightly less.

then again, this just may be the situation with MY soldier.........

GDIS

i think bush is an ass, and he should die

he will eventually, don't worry

No shit kerry is a pussy. And god help us if a pussy ran the US we would have all kinds of countries. Big and Small walking all over us..... We are a fucking super power and being a super power we have to use our intimidation on someone. if not then everyone and there momas would try what the japenese tryed at pearl harbor. and that is the last thing we want.....:D :D

Maybe this scenario will help you understand.....


A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person.


The Republican gave the homeless person his business card, and told him to come to the business for a job. He then took out $20 and gave it to the homeless person.


The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help.

He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and got out $20. He kept $15 for administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5.

China should handle it and probably will eventually.

N. korea is a retarded country. china would kill them quickly, and should, as soon as possible, to get it off americas agenda

Too true LOL

Yeah Stingy Kerry agreed with the war or wait he didnt or wait he did or wait he didnt or he did or well I was in Vietnam and Cambodia or I wasnt well I thought I was or no I wasnt no wait I got 3 purple hearts or was it 4, was I in Vietnam yes or no I wasnt I dont remember for 4 months and I filmed it all but not for any political gain in the future or I did or I didnt, and I didnt reinact anything ir I did but I didnt. I personally committed atrocities or I didnt but I thought I did or well it benefitted me at the time.

Wrong war wrong place wrong time yeah he supports it until he pisses off the Howard Dean base and then he doesnt give me a break
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kerry went to Vietnam, commanded a Swift boat, saved lives, and earned a silver star and purple heart.

Bush went to Yale and commanded the cheerleading squad.

Pot meet kettle.

WTF?? When are we supposed increase military spending? During war time when it's too late? Peace time IS THE TIME TO DO IT !!!!!



wake the fuck up man!

now that was funny!

What the Hell does that have to do with it, Kerry is the one who comes back from Vietnam and then proceeds to turn his back on his fellow soldiers. I didnt see Bush doing that. Here comes the "He was AWOL in the national guard" have you ever been in the military? This has never been proven except by Dan Rather:rolleyes:

And let me say this one more time for the sake of those who havent been paying attention, I am not a Bush supporter, nor a Kerry supporter, but I am a little sick and tired of these politcians saying one thing and doing another aka Kerry and the fact that he runs away from his 20 year record in the senate. The guy is anti military, anti gun, and pro big government and pro more taxes.

I base my vote on 2 things leave my money and my guns alone, with those 2 things in place I can live my life the way that I want.

Actually Kerry was commander of 2 swift boats in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam, and earned a silver star, bronze star with "V" decoration , and 3 purple hearts for wounds in battle.

Bush was in the National Guard and volunteered to go to Vietnam but was turned down because he didn't have enough flight time as a combat pilot in the F-102 interceptor, which he flew for the Texas National Guard.

In 1992 when Clinton was running and receiving criticism for dodging the draft and then later lying about it Kerry defended Clinton , saying service during the war shouldn't matter. From the senate floor he complained Vietnam had been inserted into the campaign.

When Kerry began HIS campaign for president, suddenly Vietnam service became important for presidential platforms.

ALL military service is commendable , that includes National Guard service as well as peace time soldiers.

Kerry has been exploiting his service for political gain since he requested an early release to pursue anti-war politics.

I hear ya man! Bravo!

Couldnt agree more, I also happen to believe that the reason why Kerry went to Vietnam in the first place was for political gain in the future. I have never heard of anyone reinacting what they did in a war and running around with a video camera doing what he did disgusts me.

I remember him defending Clinton typical politcian, whenever the winds change so does his position.

Like a fish flip flop flip flop

yeah the guy is an opportunist to say the least, even his shipmates said so.

Kerry puts his military service on a pedestal while insulting hundreds of thousands of National Guards.

Airforce Reserve units have participated in nearly every conflict fought by the US since WWI.

Well if Michael Moore said it, it must be true! PLEASE!


That guy is a total fucking asshole! When thinking of him, my level of "pissedoffness" raises to the stuck in 2 hours of traffic bar.