I actually think that you did a fairly eloquent job here... I was trying to put my finger on it last night (HIO - PUN INTENDED), but didn't manage to... The issue, to me, isn't the violence when it comes to disturbing film of a sexual nature, it IS truly the issue of consent. As long as both (or all as the case may be) are consenting people, then the sex can contain all of the violence it wants to.

I feel as though we still preach fairly conservative puritanical views of sex when it comes to pushing the envelop in film. And I agree with Az. Since I have a very healthy approach to sex (and a very open mind), I tend to be offended when particular acts of sex (bondage is a perfect example) are expressed in a movie to try to "challenge" the audience. To me, bondage isn't shocking or challenging; it's when the bondagee isn't consenting that I find myself disturbed at the piece.

*HIGH FIVE, AZ*

I agree that mostly comes to an issue of consent. The border between passion and violence, for me, is all about whether both people are consenting to it. I have no qualms about watching all kinds of sex acts in movies as long as the characters both want it. Rape scenes, however, make me feel nauseated and O usually have skip past those scenes.

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Depends on how they're used. They can be appropriate if it helps move the story along or is key. And let's face it, as Urge said in another thread, the key demographic for horror is males aged from (I can't remember exactly) about 16-24.

What's gonna appeal to them? I wonder...

sex & violence?

Yes Please!

Yep its all about boobs and death. They never seem to get the correlation right though. I think the habit of having the bearer of the boob sbeing the one dying is a major problem. We tend to jail people who kill women. This lends some vailidty to urge's thread about men hating women. why is it that so much of the horror genre, at least slashers, is centered around killing naked women?

one explanation is that the men creating these things have an underlying desire to kill women, and they are inherently mysogynistic, making everyone involved with making them practically serial killers.

I think the more likely explanation is that they cant come up with a better way to get boobs in the movie than to make the victims girls that can then take off their clothes at some point before dying. The casts are usally small, so they cant have characters that arent part of the main cast to be naked, and if they made the killer a chick with her boobs hanging out the whole time, well, thats a porno.

And I think even crappy horror directors like to think they are at least a class above porn directors.