Originally Posted by Roderick Usher (Post 716064)

I rather like hijacking a thread;)

I never said anything about Bush - I was getting on Bill O'Reily's case (and otehr media pundits). Liberal intellectuals have just as shitty a track record as Conservatives in the field of telling us what's good for us and trying to define quality.

It is smug intellectualism that breeds the kind of thought process that say "these films are bad for society." Inherent in the comment is that "it won't affect me, but other people of weaker will and lower education might see something like this and copy the actions."

I hope Midnight Meat Train kicks ass, but Clive Barker is certainly no stranger to "torture porn." His own greatest creation, Hellraiser is a flat-out celebration of the limits of human pain endurance.

Originally Posted by James Whale (Post 715977)

:rolleyes: Roger Ebert is as left wing as you can get and he often uses "torture porn" to decribe films that use scenes of torture the same way that porn uses sexuality, in a shallow and exploitative manner. Gloria Steinem-another right wing zealot,ha!- decries the "torture porn" genre. "Tortue porn" refers to torture being used just to disgust with no creativity or imagination. "Torture porn" was coined by very left-wing ,mainstream critics. The Bush connection is far fetched. I understand that you don't like the term. Sorry. It's an accurate way to desribe badly made films that are shallow and hollow. Mostly, they are boring. Maybe some young teens will think it's cool because people say they shouldn't see it. You are right ,THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE is one of the best films ever made. Only the first one. It's a work of art from a true auteur, TOBE HOOPER. Back to this film, CLive Barker has a fantastic imagination and a take on stuff that is creative and original. He was"The future of horror" according to Stephen King in the 80's. That did not come to pass; I don't know why. Maybe ,I hope , he can redeem himself. I think it's sad ,however, if the only way to get a Clive Barker penned film released is to market it as boring "torture porn." Here hoping this film is a true Clive Barker vision not some shallow excuse to gross people out. The topic here shouldn't be "torture porn." The topic is my hope that Clive Barker can make a huge comeback; let's get back to it.

Originally Posted by Burning in Hell (Post 716338)

Well, I got to see it yesterday, great movie!

Had that epic vibe I love about good movies based on Barker's stories or directed by him. Very brutal as well, but I would not say it ventures into "torture porn" land.

And VERY artsy, some shots were very impressive and original, especially **** MINOR SPOILERS **** one involving a dismembered head. One downpoint though : CGI blood!!! I mean come on, I can understand for some gory moments, but even blood flowing from some rather "mundane wounds", that could easily have beeen done the old-fashioned way, were CGI and it showed.

But all in all, that was the only downside I can think of. All other things in the movie are great, so if you can ignore this mildly annoying "faux-pas", you're in for a treat.

Originally Posted by James Whale (Post 716465)

I hate all CGI; I hope the fim can transcend the CGI as well as Brook Shields. My biiggest hope rests on the fact that Clive Barker wrote it. Please ,horror gods ,let this be a kick ass horror film!