True. 30 Days of Night looks awesome and I hope it makes a ton.

But don't count Saw IV out. The reason no one puts out competing material on Halloween weekend, for fear of being crushed by the Saw movie. Each Saw has had a bigger opening than the previous one, it hasn't peaked (financially) yet.

So until the Saw franchise peters out...which should be this time out, Halloween will be owned by the franchise.

lol i just noticed that today with the release date of halloween which at first i shouted at the computer about...........that its halloween and it should come out on halloween then i thought they may be scared because of saw 4......still think they should go head to head

id totally go see both of them in the same day

You would think Halloween would win over Saw 4....but there has been dissapointments in the past......

My main problem with the Saw franchise is that there releasing them way to quick. I mean, aviously they are doin ok, but I just felt that if they took more then a year to come up with an idea and a good script, and not have been rushing it for the past 4 years, that it would be a decent series......

that is what is so stupid about the saw series, they keep pushing them out year after year and they are all the same. they need new ideas and need more time. after this saw bombs i don't expect many more.

and stenchofdeath when you say that torture horror films will never die because of the hannibal lector series you should realize that the last hannibal lector film bombed at the box office. nobody went to see that piece of shit.

Roderick Usher, i know hostel 2 cost very little to make and that it almost made it's money back during its first weekend, but it failed to make what everyone was hoping for. sure lionsgate and eli roth are going to say they are happy, but fuck that, you know they are pissed and dissapointed. the first hostel i believe was released in march of last year. that made some pretty decent money. the reason this hostel part 2 was released during the summer was because lionsgate thought since the first hostel made a killing this one should fair pretty decent during the summer. they were wrong.

it kinda amazes me on how most of you guys and girls think that the saw series is so great. but when it comes to remakes most of you shit on them. isn't that was the saw series is. isn't that what all sequels are. seriously, hostel part 2 needed new ideas. the last two saws have been the same as teh first one. somebody needs to solve a puzzle and you won't die. its because of you all that hollywood is feeding us this unoriginal shit as all the original movies in this world are getting shat on. originality is what this genre needs to survive. not another fucking saw film.

I agree %100 that there should be no more Saw movies, but aviously there is an audience for it.....I feel the exact same way you do about the films, but I am sure there are films I like that others down right loath (Eyes Wide Shut, comes to mind) so I shall try and not to knock on them about it.....But I understand where you are coming from....:cool:

Does anyboy notice that maybe 'Hostel 2' didn't do well because it's practically a remake of the first one, which was neither scary, suspenseful nor characters that anybody cared about ? It was like taking all the nudity of a 'Porkys' movie for the first half spliced with torture scenes from a 'Guinea Pig' movie for the second half.
No, the torture movie isn't dead. Hopefully the career of Eli Roth as a director is though :D
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I read in the paper that movies like Hostel have a new name for their type of film they are classified as "Torture Porn". If that is the case, then it is amazing that the movie made it past the censors. Anyway sex and horror isn't anything new, there were plenty of films in the 80's that combined the two. What about "Vampyres" and the old Hammer horror movies. Saw is heading the way of becoming nothing more than a franchise in which to make money like the Halloween movies. I honestly hope that they don't go past 6.

Why are a bunch of people talking about "R Horror films are dying!" and "Torture films are coming to an end!" it's one fucking movie, one really boring fucking movie at that.

Torture horror like all genres is perpetually faced with two choices: evolve or die. I would like to see the first one happen because Phibes and Coffin Joe and the progenitors of the genre showed us a really good time, one that I don't feel has been replicated yet. With all of its existentialist flourish and grimy realism, Saw took away the carnivalization and the carnivalization of torture is what makes it interesting. The ability to have a fun world where people are having their blood siphoned out and locusts eat people's flesh was something great, something that made torture horror really seem like it could be a lot of fun. No fun, no progress. Cool traps are great. Bond writers and Dungeonmasters (both the pencil and roleplaying and BDSM kinds) all agree, but they can't make a D+ movie into a masterpiece, it takes a sincere and thorough sense of fun and irreverence to do that.

if all the movies are essentially going to be the same then what's the point. I don't think it's the end, just the end of the same old