Good points. I just don't get how two people could come to that conclusion. Ok, so you both think life sucks and you're worse for wear by sticking around. But... and I was gonna say killing yourself takes guts... but it seriously doesn't. That is one of the pussiest ways to deal with something, and I always feel bad for the families who have to deal with the debt left behind when someone kills themselves because of it.

If I didn't think that bumper stickers were the most useless invention next to flavored water, I'd say that'd be a good bumper sticker.

It's FEAR.
And you will never understand unless you've been there.

Suicide is a mindstate one gets to when they are at the end of their rope but it still is a scary, scary thing to actually DO.
They wanted to die,and with each other found the way to get around the fear of dying.

Killing yourself is not like what most people think... the person or persons are NOT selfish.
They honestly do not think anyone would give a fig if they died.
It is not easy to take your life,just the only option some people think they have.There Hope is completely gone.

Of course there are exceptions.
There are those that do it purely for the the attention,only to find out too late....there was no one there to stop them.

There are those that do it because they think "see,now I'll show all the people that hurt me"-which in the end is rather silly because the people that hurt them,really could care less if they were dead.

This world is not an easy place to be sometimes and it's CRUEL.
I wish people who were suicidal would get the help they need,but that would be asking too much in a world that cares so little for one another.
They are not BETTER off though,dying is not the way to go.
I wish all these people would live to have a good life,and have the ultimate revenge=LIVING WELL.

I wanted to die for years,I attempted it,I came exceptionally close to succeeding,afterwards I did get help... it didn't happen overnight,I crashed a few more relationships and quit and got fired from jobs but eventually I found my path and I found good friends,a good man,I have 2 beautiful kids,I have a great relationship with my family now....and I could have missed all that,and if you think that doesn't mess with my head from time to time......

Anyway-I can forgive all the people that tried to kill my spirit and destroy my mind because I am LIVING WELL,and I know the people that did me harm would have never thought it possible that I smile and laugh on a daily basis-and they are the pitiful ones living in their own hell.

But some poor ,poor souls do not get the incredible gift like I did and now they are dead.
So,think twice before you are flip about someone else's situation-you NEVER know what horrible things are going on in their heads and how far a kind word or a smile at them will go.

I work on the railway on only yesterday a young girl was stood on the edge of a platform threatening to jump in front of a train. This is the third time she has done this in the past couple of months. She quite clearly needs help but its also equally obvious from the frequency of her 'visits' that she isnt getting any. Society as a whole has become a less caring place and some peolpe find it very tough to handle that.

That's just about the most liberally idealistic fucking statement I've ever heard.

You should work for The Samaritans - suicides would be down, but bat'n'ball games and teen-angst grunge bands would go through the roof.

Extreme practical solutions to apparently unsolvable problems eventually make more sense than anything else to some troubled minds - it is sad but often inevitable, and also very, very personal. Two people with one eye already on suicide may take comfort in making their decision less personal and sharing the responsibility.

Okay.

Why's that bad? You like kids killing themselves? You're about as sick as your avatar, you pervert.:D

So,I write something deep and personal and I get no response.
Some wiseass writes something and it gets a comment.
I don't get it.

Whatever.

Novakru: I agree with you on what you brought up 100%. Suicide is a product of fear and often the belief that nothing lay ahead anyhow and a lot of people don't get the luxury of seeing what they could have, or recieving a moment's compassion. There were times when I was quite resolute about dying, but a little casual friendliness or a phone call from an old friend would be enough to stop me. Sadly, depression is considered a social aberration nowadays. It makes you "emo", a goth, a pussy, a lunatic. The norm is somewhere between joy and apathy. I think it's important that people just treat each other a little more decently, particularly if somebody looks or seems like they're at the edge of their rope. Idiots also never think that the kid they throw a rock at might come to school the next day with an SMG. In general, I think people need to be less naive and stupid in regards to mental illness. After all, without mentally ill people, we'd have very little of the cultural or literary backbone of our society. And softball might not manage to accomplish these changes in attitude I recommend.

Well said.
And thank you for responding.
Sometimes people in here piss me off the nth degree...
misunderstanding me CONSTANTLY,not getting the vein in which I am responding etc etc-and I am talking about ALOT of threads here-not just this one ( though I do understand sometimes it is not seen-and that is totally cool by me:) )

I wrote that suicide post because ,there are alot of situations we go thru-and come out of,for a reason.That is to have COMPASSION when you see others in that same sitch.That means you can relieve there suffering a bit because you've BEEN THERE and can give maybe a different view or option that someone mired deep into that said situation didn't think of.
People need to be INTERDEPENDANT.
I went to a think tank last night and that word came up alot in reference to all the problems society has today.
We are a bunch of self-centered(I totally include myself in this as well,because I did grow up in the "me" generation and it's a hard, hard habit to break)
Self-pleasuring,selfish group as a whole (there are many exceptions,but I am talking about the majority)
And we need to get back to helping each other and not just when there is a tragedy.
This goes further than just the suicide issue.I am speaking about ''In General".

My bestfriend who I grew up with, we spent everyday together well one night 2 years ago his girlfriend broke up with him he loved her she was his world. Well I didn't even get a chance to talk to him he walked past my house went to his got one of his dad's gun's and stuck the barrel in his mouth and pulled the trigger. It was 3:12 am and I remember the exact time because I woke up out of a deep sleep and I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. I was laying there and then I seen the lights of the ambulence flashing through my window, I walked out onto the porch to see where they was going and they went to his house. I took of running up the street to only be stopped before I hit the steps to his house, his mom came out crying and told me, I dropped to my knees in tears. I have not spoken to this girl ever since, I know it was a stupid reason for him to do it and I just wish he would of stopped here and talked to me. I didn't even get to say goodbye. :( I wish he would of the gift that you did, and I'm glad that you got it. Suicide should never be a option to anyone that one person can hurt so many.