Pretty good list, albeit somewhat standard. My only criticism is that it's probably not much different from what many mainstream media sources would pick. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but doesn't bode well for our ability to dig deeper. Credibility suffers a bit by not including a single French film. Neil Marshall is in there twice, which isn't necessary. Overall, however, that's an excellent bunch of movies - many of which I've seen multiple times, and most of which I'll continue to re-watch. There's even one in there I haven't seen (Behind the Mask), so that's now at the top of my watch list.

I don't see why. Most countries aren't represented in the list at all.

Because the French contributed several particularly noteworthy films from this era. I share Gigantic's sentiment.

Ils, Irreversable, Martyrs, Frontier(s), High Tension

One of these, at least, should be on the list.

I'd like to see more diversity in general, but this is the way these things always turn out.

There is still hope yet. ;)

So, folks, now that the 00s is settled after a fierce debate/discussion, we now move into the SECOND PHASE of our project, as I had outlined in the Announcement I had made a few pages ago. If some of you are good at math, you might have an idea of what I am talking about, in the quoted Announcement above.

Here we go...

1897 to 1929 = 20 films,
1930 to 1939 = 20 films,
1940 to 1949 = 20 films,
1950 to 1959 = 20 films,
1960 to 1969 = 20 films,
1970 to 1979 = 20 films,
1980 to 1989 = 20 films,
1990 to 1999 = 20 films,
2000 to 2012 = 22 films

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TOTAL = 182 films shortlisted

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But we had sat down to hammer out 200 films, you say? As per my announcement?

Yes, we will go through the eras AGAIN, and through the 9 periods of horror, we will finalise TWO more films from each period. That will bring us 18 more, and THAT's how we zero in on our 200.

Nice little surprise, isn't it?

This way we can give some underrated, overlooked films a second chance, and maybe we will find some other very worthy ones to further solidify our project.

Plus, it gives all the late joiners of the project a peek into all the selections made by the earlier members as well.

Remember, the selected 20/22 from each period is NOT up for debate here. We are going to select TWO films from the remaining choices.

I will elaborate on selecting the Honorable Mentions in subsequent posts.

So, sharpen your debating pencils again. Here comes the first period of horror...

IN THE CUT

Nosferatu (1922) - 9
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) - 9
The Fall of the House of Usher (1928) - 9

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920) - 8
Faust (1926) - 8
Frankenstein (1910) - 8
The Phantom of the Opera (1925) - 8

The Cat and the Canary (1927) - 7
The Golem (1920) - 7
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1923) - 7

Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages (1922) - 6
London After Midnight (1927) - 6

The Bat (1926) - 5
The Man Who Laughs (1928) - 5
The Phantom Carriage (1921) - 5
Un Chien Andalou (1929, Short) - 5
West Of Zanzibar (1928) - 5

Le Manoir du Diable (1896) - 3 (backed by fortunato, seconded by Fearonsarms)
The Hands of Orlac (1924) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by Kandarian Demon, The Villain)
The Lodger (1927) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Straker)

A Page of Madness (1926) - 2 (backed by fortunato, seconded by neverending)
Dante's Inferno (1911) - 2 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by fortunato)


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DEBATABLE

The Monkey's Paw (1923) - 4
Waxworks (1924) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Straker, Sculpt)

Bluebeard (1901, Short) - 3
The Golem (1915) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by The Villain)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1922) - 3
The Lost World (1925) - 3 (backed by Sculpt)


MINORITY

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920, Sheldon Lewis) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
The 400 Tricks of the Devil (1906, Short) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Monster (1925) - 2
The Penalty (1920) - 2
The Student of Prague (1913) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Terror (1928) - 2
The Unknown (1927) - 2
The Wizard (1927) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Blind bargain (1922)
Der Januskopf (1920)
Destiny (1921)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1912, Short)
Eerie Tales (1919)
House of Horror (1929)
Salome (1923)
The Dark Mirror (1920)
The Haunted Castle (1921)
The Headless Horseman (1922)
The Man Who Cheated Life (1926)
The Sealed Room (1909)
The Unholy Night (1929)
Wolf Blood (1925)


The initial backings stay. Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones in the DEBATABLE section. The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest to figure in our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can toss in the two films which scored FOUR votes each in the initial tally into the finalised list, and add the SIX films with THREE votes each into the Honorable Mentions list. Or we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our films.

Either way, let's hear your thoughts.

Yep. I would also definitely include Inside in that top echelon list. As a movement, there are a lot of other great films, but perhaps not top 22: Sheitan, Calvaire, Trouble Every Day, In My Skin, Maléfique...from the 90s, I Stand Alone. And as always a few that can be skipped- Baise Moi, Vertige.

At the risk of oversimplifying things, I believe there are two films that brought horror back en vogue: The Blair Witch Project, which kicked off a slew of found footage films and franchises, and The Ring (really the American version) which kicked off J-Horror and made it a worldwide fad. Guillermo del Toro and the Splat Pack (Marshall, Aja, Wan, Zombie, Roth, couple others) have kept it alive. That, and the popularity of The Walking Dead, feeding the zombie fad. Del Toro was already making great movies, but I believe he benefited from J-horror, which made atmospheric supernatural stories popular. The Splat Pack, on the other hand, have secretly found inspiration from the New French Extremists, whose subject matter spans the gamut, and have consistently brought new ideas to old concepts, such as slasher, psychological, home invasion, vampire, thriller, ghost (although, spoiler alert, that ghost might be psychological), and exploitation.

IMHO, it's understandable that none of these films made a particular horror list, but unacceptable that they didn't on a horror forum. Oh well, it all boils down to taste, and it's not the taste of the majority on this forum, which is totally cool. But if we're trying to represent history in our "100 Years of Horror", it's simply not representative.

The Hands of Orlac
The Lodger (early Hitchcock)

I will back: Waxworks (1924) and The Lodger

CORRECTED because I backed movies that were already in the cut!

Instead I will back:

The Golem
The Hands of Orlac

Both of those are already in...the are in Bold.

I'm really excited to see the Honorable Mentions debates, and the results. Like the I did the first time around, I may not contribute until we get to the 60s or 70s. I've been following this thread since V resurrected it, but prior to the 60s, I've probably only seen 5 to 10 films from each decade or era. Those films may be some of the best and worthy of a vote, but I don't believe it qualifies me to provide very valuable input. I don't mean that to be a discouragement to others... It's just the way I am.

I've already added quite a few films to my watchlist as a result of this thread, and learned a lot about how the genre transformed and progressed over time. I'll continue to follow closely, so don't mistake my potential silence with disinterest. :) I will certainly contribute when I feel it's appropriate. And who knows, maybe I'll throw in a tiebreaker if it makes sense.

Well, that explains it, then :p Woops! I'll go back and correct my other post.

Added to the compiling post.

Looks like The Hands of Orlac and The Lodger might move into the finalised stock, but I'll keep things open for a bit more. Plus, we need to find 6 Honorable Mentions as well.

Keep going, folks.

Excellent question! Glad you asked. Let me explain my side of it. I love original concepts and ideas, it's a big plus, but it's not everything. I loved the concept for Shadow of the Vampire, plus I'm an aficionado of Malkovich, and ran out and saw it. After seeing it, I still give it a plus for concept, but I didn't like a lot of other things about it, and overall, didn't find it a good movie.

Buba was a similar story (giving it a plus for original concept). One of my best friends showed it to me. He's a big fan of the movie. I enjoyed watching it with him. But to be honest, I didn't think much of it. He'd punch me if he knew I neg'd it. But it's my honest opinion.

There's films that have high praise by critics and fans, and even the mighty AFI. I agree with the mast majority of highly praised films, but sometimes I decidedly don't. I'm not a sheep in these matters. I know the components of a good film, have a media degree, but still much of art is subjective.

I think The Student of Prague would make a great inclusion into the honourable mention section, such a great story and so much talent on display both in front of and behind the camera... Happy to back either the original or later remake, so if people are familiar with either and enjoy, then get behind it!

I still also believe Melies' 400 Tricks of the Devil deserves consideration, its such a visual treat and too much fun not to have at least a shot at the honourable mention list. Creativity and flare from the father of sfx....

Also happy to back The Lodger if its needed...

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Golem and Hands of Orloc

So, which two films do you think should be added to the "in the cut" section?

And if I read V's post correctly, once we have finalised the two that make the cut, we can move on to the honorable mentions...

It's definitely deserving of the top 22, but my thoughts are (mentioned earlier), since Pan's Labyrinth sailed in, del Toro is already represented, and personally I'd prefer to make room for a wider variety. Whether or not it's better than any of the currently-included 22 is up for debate, but I would argue, unequivocally, yes, at least one. ;)

I don't know, I didn't really get exactly what was going on with the process at this point, so I kinda just threw out a few opinions and hoped the details sorted themselves out. :o

I guess I was working on the assumption that The Lodger and Hands of Orlac were already in the cut, so was really just pushing the movies I mentioned forward as candidates for the honourable mentions section.

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From the debatable section I'll just second the votes for The Lodger... I can't split Waxworks and Hands of Orlac for my second 'in the cut' vote.

I just saw Devil's Backbone last night with a buddy. We both agreed, it was beautifully shot, fine score and acting, but the story was bland, slow, relatively uneventful and unconsequential and not very scary. I wouldn't consider one of the best.

So glad you liked it! I think I'm going to have to rewatch it now. It's been a while. :D

That's weird... I thought that I had voted for Home Movie - Oh well...

Maybe you're the only one who did. I can't remember if I did or not. :p

Backing for 1920's 22: The Lost World

I very highly endorse/back The Lost World for one of the two added inclusions in the 22 for 1890-1920 Best. What a miles stone that film was.

I think it deserves more than an honorable mention, especially for anyone who also has an interest in having a more complete/inclusive 1920 list. The Lost World is a huge land mark film, I think it's a glaring omission from our current list. Hands of Orlac and the Lodger are good, but are basically of the same to the current 20.


For Honorable Mention: Jekyll and Hyde (Sheldon) and Waxworks

So this is how the final 22 for the first period looks like:-




IN THE CUT

Nosferatu (1922) - 9
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) - 9
The Fall of the House of Usher (1928) - 9

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920) - 8
Faust (1926) - 8
Frankenstein (1910) - 8
The Phantom of the Opera (1925) - 8

The Cat and the Canary (1927) - 7
The Golem (1920) - 7
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1923) - 7

Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages (1922) - 6
London After Midnight (1927) - 6

The Bat (1926) - 5
The Man Who Laughs (1928) - 5
The Phantom Carriage (1921) - 5
Un Chien Andalou (1929, Short) - 5
West Of Zanzibar (1928) - 5

Le Manoir du Diable (1896) - 3
The Hands of Orlac (1924) - 3 (voted in by majority)
The Lodger (1927) - 3 (voted in by majority)

A Page of Madness (1926) - 2
Dante's Inferno (1911) - 2


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HONORABLE MENTIONS

Waxworks (1924) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Straker, Sculpt)
The Golem (1915) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by The Villain)
The Lost World (1925) - 3 (backed by Sculpt)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920, Sheldon Lewis) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
The 400 Tricks of the Devil (1906, Short) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Student of Prague (1913) - 2 (backed by Straker)


DEBATABLE

The Monkey's Paw (1923) - 4

Bluebeard (1901, Short) - 3
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1922) - 3


MINORITY

The Monster (1925) - 2
The Penalty (1920) - 2
The Terror (1928) - 2
The Unknown (1927) - 2
The Wizard (1927) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Blind bargain (1922)
Der Januskopf (1920)
Destiny (1921)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1912, Short)
Eerie Tales (1919)
House of Horror (1929)
Salome (1923)
The Dark Mirror (1920)
The Haunted Castle (1921)
The Headless Horseman (1922)
The Man Who Cheated Life (1926)
The Sealed Room (1909)
The Unholy Night (1929)
Wolf Blood (1925)


If nobody has any objection, I move to include the SIX underlined films (with strong backing and support) as the line-up for our Honorable Mentions of this period. This will wind up the proceedings for this first period of horror and we can move into the 30s.

All in agreement?

Yes......................

Agreed................

Yes :) .......

Sounds good to me

I have no objections.

Okay, it's pretty much unanimous so the first period of horror is done and sealed.

Let's move into the 30s now...

IN THE CUT

Dracula (1931) - 9
Frankenstein (1931) - 9
Freaks (1932) - 9
The Bride of Frankenstein (1935) - 9
Vampyr (1932) - 9

King Kong (1933) - 8
The Black Cat (1934) - 8
The Invisible Man (1933) - 8

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1931) - 7
M (1931) - 7
Mad Love (1935) - 7
The Mummy (1932) - 7

The Raven (1935) - 6

Island of Lost Souls (1932) - 5
Maniac (1934) - 5
White Zombie (1932) - 5

Son of Frankenstein (1939) - 4
The Old Dark House (1932) - 4
The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933) - 4

Murders in the Rue Morgue (1932) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by hammerfan, realdealblues, Sculpt)[IN]

The Invisible Ray (1936) - 2
The Ghoul (1933) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Fearonsarms, The Villain, Straker)[IN]

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DEBATABLE

Dracula (1931) Spanish - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by realdealblues) (-1)
Dracula's Daughter (1936) - 4 (backed by realdealblues)

Bucket of Blood (1932) - 3 (backed by Despare)
The Devil-Doll (1936) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by The Villain)
Werewolf of London (1935) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by neverending, The Villain, Sculpt)


MINORITY

Mark of the Vampire (1935) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending)
Mystery of the Wax Museum (1933) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by realdealblues)
The Golem (1936) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Shot in the Dark (1935)
Black Moon (1934)
Doctor X (1932)
I Accuse (1938)
Night of Terror (1933)
Revolt of the Zombies (1936) (-1)
The Bells (1931)
The Black Room (1935) (backed by Fearonsarms)
The Cat and the Canary (1939)
The Demon Barber Of Fleet Street (1936)
The Devil's Daughter (1939)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1939) Rathbone/Bruce (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon)
The Human Monster (1939)
The Man They Could Not Hang (1939)
The Man Who Lived Again (1936)
The Monkey's Paw (1933)
The Thirteenth Guest (1932)
The Vampire Bat (1933) (backed by The Villain)
The Walking Dead (1936)
Witches Night (1937)


The initial backings stay.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones in the DEBATABLE section & below. The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest to figure in our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can toss in the two films which scored FOUR votes each at the top of the DEBATABLE section, and add ONE more film to the FIVE films with backings/seconds into the Honorable Mentions list.

Or we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our films.

Either way, let's hear 'em, guys.

Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Golem

Dracula (1931) Spanish
Werewolf of London

I will back:

Mystery of the Wax Museum
The Golem

These are my backing's as well.