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ChronoGrl 05-20-2010 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by friday13thfan (Post 861530)
I fully embrace my new team. Chrono you did a great job with the sigs, however I made my own (Its what I do). Demon Wraiths!!!!!

Awesome - LOVE the red splatter - What did you use to do that? And what fonts are those?

Quote:

Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 861540)
Wellll I use Photoshop CS4 cause I when I was in web design we got all those fancy programs for free from this website that was included in our tuition. It has an option for layers. So I did a background layer with the splatters, one for the wolf, and then text defaults to separate layers so I use two colours sometimes as a drop shadow. You can however use the text options to do a drop shadow.

If you can't find a pirated copy of photoshop then you can use Gimp, or Aviary. I like Aviary better because it's online and you don't have to download anything.

http://aviary.com/

Thank you so much for this. My job is becoming a lot of User Interface (which I LOVE), but my manager won't spring for Photoshop, so I pretty much design all of our web screens in Paint (I kid you not) - Really can't wait to check this out. :D

friday13thfan 05-20-2010 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 861544)
Awesome - LOVE the red splatter - What did you use to do that? And what fonts are those?


Thank you and the font is called Bleeding Cowboys http://www.dafont.com/bleeding-cowboys.font

As for the splatter: It was supposed to be a set of wings. I took the hand from the image of a demon wraith V posted for our team and took the hand and modified it.

ChronoGrl 05-20-2010 05:49 PM

They look like wings - I realized that after I posted, "splatter" wasn't what I meant to use... The question I was trying to ask was, "How did you make it red?"

friday13thfan 05-20-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl (Post 861555)
They look like wings - I realized that after I posted, "splatter" wasn't what I meant to use... The question I was trying to ask was, "How did you make it red?"

I have Adobe Photoshop CS4 which comes with a color replacement brush. I picked Red and poof. Oh also used "magic wand" to select the hands and figure.

Rayne 05-20-2010 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 861472)
Haha! And you wonder why you get targeted!

No I don't :p

I don't wonder why YOU get shot at either...lol


BTW...Where's our challenge?...I'm ready to put those dogs in the pound...Or the ground...Either way works for me ;)

Saytan 05-20-2010 07:14 PM

Well well well, I'll start by saying hello to my new teammates, Hulloo :D

ok now that thats out of the way, Dude, this kinda sucks, but I'm sure we can have a grand old time in the hunting zone when the time comes..... and it will. It'll be like the old days, only we wont REALLY be bleeding :mad:

RAYNE!!!! >MUAH< I love the Sig! And now if you will, let's kick some Lycanthropic Arse!!

Rayne 05-20-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saytan (Post 861564)

And now if you will, let's kick some Lycanthropic Arse!!

I have a feeling that the challenge will be posted as soon as we fall asleep...lol...Great way to start out, huh? :D

Saytan 05-20-2010 07:22 PM

It's ok hunny, I have tooth picks in my eyelids...

Rayne 05-20-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saytan (Post 861566)
It's ok hunny, I have tooth picks in my eyelids...

LMAO!...Hmm...Why does that make me want some hors d'oeuvres? :p

Saytan 05-20-2010 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne (Post 861568)
LMAO!...Hmm...Why does that make me want some hors d'oeuvres? :p

Mmmmm, fried eyelids anyone....please pass the ( insert fancy dipping sauce that I probably cant spell ) Damn, now I'm hungry..... *sigh*

Rayne 05-20-2010 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saytan (Post 861569)
Mmmmm, fried eyelids anyone....please pass the ( insert fancy dipping sauce that I probably cant spell ) Damn, now I'm hungry..... *sigh*

Go make some of your incredible fried chicken :D

I'm gonna take off now...Catch ya later

Freak 05-20-2010 07:47 PM

Man I wish I could get a copy of photoshop.It's expensive and I'm not paying that much for it.

missmacabre 05-20-2010 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freak (Post 861571)
Man I wish I could get a copy of photoshop.It's expensive and I'm not paying that much for it.

You can get it for the low low price of freeee. Or realistically, the low low price of a decent internet connection.

friday13thfan 05-20-2010 08:32 PM

I got mine through school. Along with all the other Adobe products.

bwind22 05-20-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne (Post 861563)
No I don't :p

I don't wonder why YOU get shot at either...lol


BTW...Where's our challenge?...I'm ready to put those dogs in the pound...Or the ground...Either way works for me ;)

Haha. Me neither.

You get targeted because everyone knows you're very fuckin good at these challenges. I get targeted because I find my entertainment in these games from playing the super-cocky asshole role. ;)

Freak 05-20-2010 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 861575)
You can get it for the low low price of freeee. Or realistically, the low low price of a decent internet connection.

Oh do tell.

_____V_____ 05-20-2010 09:39 PM

THE EIGHTH CHALLENGE OF HDC BATTLE ROYALE III



I welcome the TWO spanking new teams to your collective EIGHTH CHALLENGE of BATTLE ROYALE III.


You have to send me the answers to the literary posers given below:-
  • - This book takes place in 2065 and stars David Valentine.
  • - In the Fredric Brown story "Answer," the most powerful computer in the universe is created and is asked, "Is there a God?". What is the computer's chilling reply?
  • - This book's lead character is a Carpathian who has found his mate in Antonietta Scarletti.
  • - What is the prize in Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery"?
  • - This book series stars Firekeeper. Raised by Royal Wolves, she helped Sapphire Shield destroy her mother's source of controlling power-the gems that Melina Shield (Sapphire's mother) named her children after. What is the name of the first book of the series?
  • - In the horror tale "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl, what does the housewife use to bludgeon her husband to death?
  • - This book stars a vampire who converts a plantation owner. Together, they find a child and the plantation owner-vampire converts the child.
  • - In what famed story does a couple use magic first to resurrect their dead son, and then to send him away?
  • - This book series stars a shapeshifter named Regeane and a werewolf named Maeniel. What is the name of the first book?
  • - What terrible discovery does "Young Goodman Brown" make, in a short story by Nathaniel Hawthorne?
  • - This book stars Diana Tregarde, who is a Guardian. She has to help a vampire named Andre find the psychic vampire.
  • - In which Stephen King story does the narrator gradually cut himself apart and eat himself?
  • - Which theme is common to Edgar Allan Poe's "Cask of Amontillado" and "The Fall of the House of Usher"?
  • - In this game-based-on-book adaptation, Gabriel Knight must find out who or what is killing the people in and near Munich, Germany.
  • - This book has a captured Confederate soldier who imagines an elaborate escape and returns to his home in the brief seconds before he is hanged.


There are 540 points up for grabs in the above challenge.

THE FIRST ALL-CORRECT ENTRY I RECEIVE WILL WIN A TRIP TO THE REWARD CHAMBER!

The deadline for sending your entries ends on Saturday, 22nd May at Midnight EST.

You may either send me your entries via PMs, or you may email me at [email protected], mentioning your HDC Nick in the Subject alongwith the Challenge number, for e.g., "Freak - HDC Battle Royale III Challenge #8 Answers."

You may confer within members of your own team in your quest for the right answers, but each Battle Royale participant should send in their own individual entries. Please be mindful of this.

All the best, folks!

missmacabre 05-20-2010 09:43 PM

what about if a whole series would work. Just the series name, or pick a specific volume?

_____V_____ 05-20-2010 09:53 PM

All book series questions end with "What is the name of the first book?", so elementary, my dear. :)

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 02:46 AM

UPDATE


I have received FIFTEEN entries already!

THREE entries are yet to be sent.

The deadline expires at Midnight EST tonight. Keep praying that I receive all 3 entries by then. This one is gonna be really exciting!

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 09:43 PM

The Deadline was up around One and Half hours back!

Let's see how you all fared in Challenge #8...

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 10:07 PM

RESULTS OF BATTLE ROYALE III CHALLENGE #8


Welcome everyone to the EIGHTH BATTLE ROYALE III Results Meeting.



First of all, the correct answers :-

  • - This book takes place in 2065 and stars David Valentine. - Way Of The Wolf by E.E. Knight
  • - In the Fredric Brown story "Answer," the most powerful computer in the universe is created and is asked, "Is there a God?". What is the computer's chilling reply? - "Yes, NOW there is a God!"
  • - This book's lead character is a Carpathian who has found his mate in Antonietta Scarletti. - Dark Symphony by Christine Feehan
  • - What is the prize in Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery"? - Death by stoning
  • - This book series stars Firekeeper. Raised by Royal Wolves, she helped Sapphire Shield destroy her mother's source of controlling power-the gems that Melina Shield (Sapphire's mother) named her children after. What is the name of the first book of the series? - Through Wolf's Eyes by Jane Lindskold
  • - In the horror tale "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl, what does the housewife use to bludgeon her husband to death? - A frozen leg of lamb
  • - This book stars a vampire who converts a plantation owner. Together, they find a child and the plantation owner-vampire converts the child. - Interview With The Vampire by Anne Rice
  • - In what famed story does a couple use magic first to resurrect their dead son, and then to send him away? - The Monkey's Paw by W.W. Jacobs
  • - This book series stars a shapeshifter named Regeane and a werewolf named Maeniel. What is the name of the first book? - Silver Wolf by Alice Brochardt
  • - What terrible discovery does "Young Goodman Brown" make, in a short story by Nathaniel Hawthorne? - His wife and neighbors are all witches and Devil-worshippers
  • - This book stars Diana Tregarde, who is a Guardian. She has to help a vampire named Andre find the psychic vampire. - Children of the Night by Mercedes Lackey
  • - In which Stephen King story does the narrator gradually cut himself apart and eat himself? - Survivor Type
  • - Which theme is common to Edgar Allan Poe's "Cask of Amontillado" and "The Fall of the House of Usher"? Being buried alive
  • - In this game-based-on-book adaptation, Gabriel Knight must find out who or what is killing the people in and near Munich, Germany. - The Beast Within
  • - This book has a captured Confederate soldier who imagines an elaborate escape and returns to his home in the brief seconds before he is hanged. - An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge by Ambrose Bierce.




Here are your final scores...


THE BLAZING LYCANS :


Doc Faustus - 30 points

Dude Guadalupe - 30 points

Ferretchucker - 30 points

Fiend Skull - 30 points

Freak - 30 points

Jenna26 - 30 points

Michelle - 30 points

MissMacabre - 30 points

Zero - 30 points


---------------------------------

TOTAL - 270 points

---------------------------------



THE MIGHTY DEMONWRAITHS :


Bwind22 - 30 points

Chronogrl - 30 points

Despare - 30 points

Freddy Myers - 30 points

Friday13thFan - 30 points

Rayne - 30 points

Roshiq - 30 points

Saytan - 30 points

Straker - 30 points


---------------------------------

TOTAL - 270 points

---------------------------------



It is a TIE!!!


But...who won Challenge #8? And who lost it?

Who sent in the first ALL-CORRECT entry?



We will find out...NEXT!

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 10:30 PM

The TIME TIE-BREAKER reveals that...


The FIFTEENTH entry I received was from Jenna26, which was the LAST entry I received from a Lycan!



Yes, sadly, the next THREE entries came from the Demonwraiths - Roshiq, Friday13thFan & Despare (in that order), which were THEIR last 3 entries in!



Which means that, THE BLAZING LYCANS HAVE WON CHALLENGE #8!

And so are headed into the Hunting Zone as designated Hunters.



Sorry, Demonwraiths, you will be their targets in it.



Also, the FIRST ALL-CORRECT ENTRY I received was from...Demonwraith RAYNE!!

She wins a trip to the Reward Chamber, shortly before the Hunting Zone outing.

Let's find out what she has to do, and what the penalty will be...


...NEXT!!

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 10:35 PM

THE REWARD CHAMBER



I welcome Demonwraith Rayne into The Reward Chamber.

You have FOUR boxes in front of you - labelled Deca, Heneca, Icosa and Tosca.

You may select any TWO for yourself, and the contents inside them will be yours to keep FOREVER!

That's not all.

All four boxes are parts of a secret permutation and combination. If you correctly guess the hidden combination of TWO boxes in your choice PM to me, it will reveal a FIFTH hidden box!

The contents of THAT hidden box will be revealed by me if you hit upon the correct combo.

Choose very carefully.




The Penalty is coming up shortly...

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 10:43 PM

HDC BATTLE ROYALE III - THE HUNTING SEASON ZONE - ROUND SIX OF HUNTING


ALL of the Demonwraiths have been set free inside The Hunting Season Zone UNARMED!


Lycans, you will be using this to hunt the Warriors down...


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/crossbow.jpg


A CROSSBOW, WITH THREE ARROWS EACH!

Each arrow is capable of causing a wound which would require 1 HP to heal.


And also,


Someone else will be joining all of you in the hunt.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._aaron-now.gif


THE CHAINER!

He will be waiting for you, Lycans.

The entire Hunting Zone is divided into NINE sections - A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H & I. You have to mention which section you will be in when you are doing your hunting.

NO TWO CONTESTANTS CAN BE IN THE SAME SECTION! Be mindful.


Lycans, PM me who your target (or targets) will be in the Hunting Zone. Also mention the section where you will be when you are doing your hunting.

The failure to use even a single Arrow, or if TWO Hunters end up in the SAME section, will mean each LYCAN will be shot SIX TIMES by the Snipers in the Watchtowers!!

You all have until Monday, NOON EST tomorrow to complete your hunting.


P.S. - Friday13thFan is asked to turn in his Bonus Weapons before heading into the Zone as a designated target.


I ALSO DECLARE THE GIFTING OF HEALTH PACKS RULE AS OPEN!!!

Good luck all.

_____V_____ 05-22-2010 10:49 PM

UPDATED STATUS AFTER RESULTS OF CHALLENGE #8


THE BLAZING LYCANS :


Doc Faustus - FIT with 25 HPs.

Dude Guadalupe - FIT with 24 HPs.

Ferretchucker - FIT with 17 HPs.

Fiend Skull - FIT with 28 HPs.

Freak - FIT with 28 HPs.

Jenna26 - FIT with 27 HPs.

Michelle - FIT with 25 HPs.

MissMacabre - FIT with 10 HPs.

Zero - FIT with 22 HPs.




THE MIGHTY DEMONWRAITHS :


Bwind22 - FIT with 24 HPs.

Chronogrl - FIT with 15 HPs.

Despare - FIT with 29 HPs.

FreddyMyers - FIT with 28 HPs.

Friday13thFan - FIT with 24 HPs.

Rayne - FIT with 6 HPs.

Roshiq - FIT with 27 HPs.

Saytan - FIT with 25 HPs.

Straker - FIT with 28 HPs.




BODIES IN THE MORGUE :

Groundzero2424,
The Return,
Nightmare of Death,
Demon Seed,
Shriek of the Mutilated,
GreenDemon.

_____V_____ 05-23-2010 08:00 AM

RESULT OF THE REWARD CHAMBER OUTING #3


Demonwraith Rayne was led into the Reward Chamber earlier, before the Zone outing for this Challenge started.

She has made her choice of TWO boxes from the FOUR laid out in front of her, which were marked as - Deca, Heneca, Icosa & Tosca.

Rayne's selections are - Heneca & Tosca.


Let us first see what were in the boxes which Rayne DIDN'T select -


Box Deca - A SNIPER RIFLE, with 15 Sniper Rifle Shells!

Box Icosa - A ROCKET LAUNCHER, with FIVE ROCKETS!



Those were the ones she missed.

Now, for the ones she chose. They are -


Box Heneca - FIFTEEN BONUS HEALTH PACKS!

Box Tosca - A PLASMA RIFLE, with 10 ELECTRIC BOLTS!


Heartiest Congratulations, Rayne!

Your HP count now stands bolstered with +15.

You are the proud owner of the Plasma Rifle, which fires a controlled Electric Bolt which temporarily stuns your enemy and strips them of 2 HPs per hit. You can use your Plasma Rifle only ONCE per Challenge, and ONLY when you are a designated Hunter in the Zone. Never otherwise.

You can use your new weapons from the next Hunting Zone outing onwards.


And now for the Combo of 2 secret boxes which Rayne was asked to guess, to unlock a special FIFTH hidden box!

Her choices were - Heneca & Tosca.

Again, like MissM before you, you were VERY CLOSE to the correct secret combination. The hidden combination was - Heneca & Icosa.


That concludes the Reward Chamber Outing, folks.

_____V_____ 05-24-2010 08:05 AM

And the Hunting Zone deadline has...TICKED OVER!!!!


Let's go ahead and open the gates.




(quick steps of the guards)






(the lock is unlocked)






(bolt thrown back)





(gates swing open with a loud "CREAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!")




...






Hark!




What am I hearing?!




(RIFLE SHOTS BOOM THROUGH THE ZONE EVERYWHERE!!!!!)




Oops...looks like the Lycans are gonna crawl in, instead of striding in. Each one of them riddled with...SIX holes?!




Folks, the cameras covering the Zone had encountered a technical error. The playback of the entire Zone outing is unavailable at the moment.



However...


The scanners reveal everything!




Let's see what the scanners have revealed...

_____V_____ 05-24-2010 09:04 AM

The Timeline in The Zone



Saytan donated 5 HPs to "whoever needed it most",


Straker donated 8 HPs to "whoever needed it most",


Roshiq gifted 4 HPs for Rayne, and 2 HPs to "whoever needed it most",


Friday13thFan gifted 3 HPs for Rayne,


Bwind22 donated 10 HPs to "whoever needed it most",


and


FreddyMyers donated 6 HPs to "whoever needed it most".



(by this time, Rayne's trip to the Reward Chamber was finished - and the Lycans were patiently waiting for the outcome of that)




---------THEN CAME THE SHOOTING-----------



Fiend Skull was in Sector D, where he fired his crossbow's 3 arrows into CHRONOGRL!!!




Doc Faustus was in Sector A, where he fired his crossbow's 3 arrows into RAYNE!!!




MissMacabre was in Sector H, where she fired her crossbow's 3 arrows, her special BONUS SHOT, and 1 huge rip of her chainsaw, all into RAYNE!!!




Jenna26 was in Sector F, where she fired her crossbow's 3 arrows into RAYNE!!!




Rayne was bleeding, torn, ripped and thankful to her gods for the last Reward Chamber outing, where she had won all those Bonus HPs...

She had 10 shots and a chainsaw rip into her by now, but thankfully enough Bonus HPs which had bolstered her HP count...




Then came Michelle, who was in Sector G, where she fired her crossbow's 3 arrows into CHRONOGRL!!!




Dude Guadalupe landed himself in Sector B, where he fired his crossbow's 3 arrows into CHRONOGRL!!!




Ferretchucker found RAYNE in his roamings, and immediately fired his crossbow's 3 arrows into her!!!

(but alas, in his over-enthusiasm and eager excitement, he forgot to mention which sector he was in!!)




Then Freak went in Sector E, and fired his crossbow's 3 arrows into RAYNE!!!




And that was where the Chainer hid.




His chains darted and curled around Freak, ripping into his body in many places. Freak grabbed and tugged and pulled free repeatedly, his body getting mauled all over.




Luckily, Freak had enough HPs to withstand the Chainer's severe attack. He used up 20 HPs, but survived!!!




And,




that's all!




Eh? What's that? What is your query?




Where was Zero, you ask?




(shrugging)




...beats me.

Seems like Ferret forgot his sector, and Zero forgot his sector AND who to shoot, both, i.e., I received NO PM from Zero!




And because of that, all Lycans have been SHOT FIVE TIMES by the Snipers in the watchtowers when the deadline ticked over!!!




Sorry Lycans. You may enter your compound to rest, and for the more severely injured Freak and gasping MissMacabre, the Medic Center's team is available.




All the gifted/donated HPs stand returned to their respective Demonwraith owners. The TWO Demonwraiths who were specifically targetted, didn't need them.




Let's have a look at the updated statuses...

ferretchucker 05-24-2010 09:13 AM

Shit! How the hell did I forget the sector?!?!?! Sorry team!!!

_____V_____ 05-24-2010 09:14 AM

UPDATED STATUS AFTER HUNTING ZONE OUTING NUMBER SIX


THE BLAZING LYCANS :


Doc Faustus - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 19 HPs.

Dude Guadalupe - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 18 HPs.

Ferretchucker - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 11 HPs.

Fiend Skull - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 22 HPs.

Freak - SEVERELY ATTACKED BY THE CHAINER. Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 2 HPs.

Jenna26 - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 21 HPs.

Michelle - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 19 HPs.

MissMacabre - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 4 HPs.

Zero - Shot SIX times by the Snipers. FIT with 16 HPs.




THE MIGHTY DEMONWRAITHS :


Bwind22 - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 24 HPs.

Chronogrl - Pierced NINE times with Arrows. FIT with 6 HPs.

Despare - Came out without a scratch. FIT with 29 HPs.

FreddyMyers - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 28 HPs.

Friday13thFan - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 24 HPs.

Rayne - Pierced FIFTEEN times with Arrows. Ripped once with a Chainsaw. Shot once by the Bonus Shot. Won 15 Bonus HPs. FIT with 4 HPs.

Roshiq - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 27 HPs.

Saytan - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 25 HPs.

Straker - Came out without a scratch. Gifted HPs returned. FIT with 28 HPs.




BODIES IN THE MORGUE :

Groundzero2424,
The Return,
Nightmare of Death,
Demon Seed,
Shriek of the Mutilated,
GreenDemon.




Have some rest, all of you. Your new Challenge will be up sometime within the next 24 hours.

Doc Faustus 05-24-2010 09:17 AM

Sigh.
At least we were only shot five times.

_____V_____ 05-24-2010 09:23 AM

Six. I did the correction. :D

Someone in your team is gonna be hopping mad, Doc. ;)

Freak 05-24-2010 09:57 AM

If my team goes into the hunting ground next round will the other team just please finsih me off cause this is getting aggravating.

missmacabre 05-24-2010 10:12 AM

Zero, you jerk....

ChronoGrl 05-24-2010 10:14 AM

Pfew... Thought I was a goner with that one... Thanks to everyone who donated healthpacks - Lucky we didn't need them!

Rayne 05-24-2010 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freak (Post 861932)
If my team goes into the hunting ground next round will the other team just please finsih me off cause this is getting aggravating.

Aww...I feel bad that you got stuck on the sucky team :(.....Wait a minute, you shot me!...Okay, I feel better now :p


Quote:

Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 861933)
Zero, you jerk....

You forgot to add "Ferret, you imbecile" :D

*does a Rayne dance* http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/HeadBang.gif

Freak 05-24-2010 10:36 AM

Shooting you was just business.This whole every time someone either forgets to send in their answers or forgets to send in their targets crap is getting old.

~Michelle~ 05-24-2010 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freak (Post 861938)
Shooting you was just business.This whole every time someone either forgets to send in their answers or forgets to send in their targets crap is getting old.


Thats happened on almost every challenge and or hunting trip hasn't it?? I'll have to go back and look

Freak 05-24-2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Michelle~ (Post 861939)
Thats happened on almost every challenge and or hunting trip hasn't it?? I'll have to go back and look

Yep just about all of them.And I'm tempted to not send in answers for the next challenge so I can finally be killed off and be done with this.


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