i think the ayers thing has been way blown out of proportion. let's all recall that mccain was buddy-buddy with Keating (of the 1990 savings and loan scandal) and was even chastised officially by the US senate for having 'poor judgment' in relation to his helping Keating avoid regulators.

the key though is that obama has a vision for getting america moving and people responded (not all but most and a bigger number than have responded to any prez candidate in the past decade). love him or hate him - he is now our president and deserves at least some level of respect until you can point to actual mistakes he's made as president

A man is not responsible for the actions of those around him. I used to hang out with people who were freinds with a guy who raped a girl. I was around him all the time, so people could infer that he was my friend (although listening to how I spoke to him, there was no mystery that i hated him), so if I decided to run for office, people could say "he used to hang out with a rapist", which is technically true. But so what?



Incidentally, I hung out in the same company BEFORE he committed rape. After that I wouldnt be caught dead around the dick. But you get the point.

Thats fine im sure he'll make many mistakes.

If you truelly hated him you would of not spoke to him at all.

Oy vey... :rolleyes:

and McCain wouldn't?

besides politicians - or leaders of any kind - have to associate with all kinds of people - the key is what you do with and for them. obama didn't have a long lasting relationship - he had a fundraiser the guy had a little bit to do with. he's not out using political influence to help the guy (which, incidentally, IS what McCain did)

OH

MY

FUCKING

GOD!!!



I cannot BELIEVE You just did that to me



lol...That's gonna be here all week now

You win, monkey man...I concede to your incredible memory and astounding cruelty

Exactly. Practically everyone backed bush right after 9/11, and even if you didnt, you kept your damn mouth shut lest you be beaten publicly like the dixie chicks. he DID do a few things right way back when. Its everything before that and everything sicne that has made Bush so reviled.


Obama has some ridiculously high standards to live up to. There are a frightening number of people treating this like christ coming down from on high and destroying evil with his mighty lightsaber. he's a man for god's sake. Keep a realistic expectation and hope he can make good on the expectations, and if not, that he will at least try where so many have folded or were clearly bullshitting before.


Plus, dont be too harsh, or Michelle Obama will kick your ass. Seriously, she is the first First lady i have ever looked at and though "There is no way I am fuckign with that woman". Laura Bush i slike June Cleaver, and Nancy Reagan and barb Bush would be down with a light punch. Hillary was a scrapper, but she is short.

Michelle Obama though... She looks like she would kill you.

audio-evil! mwah ha ha ha haha

(of course now i have the damn thing in my head as well - so its kind of checkmate) - must listen to new ac/dc to clean the palatte