Hellraiser, not on the Matrix alone but on the crappy trilogy.

I'm gonna agree with Abominus.....The Matrix franchise had such a great start

Hellraiser.....I just like the movie better honestly....;)

Hellraiser

Hellraiser

6-1, Hellraiser punches The Matrix out of sight.

have you seen the hellraiser sequels ?

not exactly brilliant.

Round 1 Match 47


A modern day vision of morality and the decay of society and man...

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Fight Club (1999)
Director - David Fincher




vs.




An experience in horror which will literally blow you away...

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Carrie (1976)
Director - Brian De Palma

Fight Club....i love this movie so i had to vote for it!

I love both films!

I'm gonna vote with Portland local boy and go with Fight Club.

Carrie

I've never seen the other one...And I have no desire to do so

Carrie for me as well

carrie

(I thought fightclub was overrated)

Fight Club.

Carrie........

:D

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carrie for me as well.

Still trapped in your little box, I see? :p

Not sure how much you trust my opinion, but I think you'd love Fight Club - even though it isnt horror, I think it's plenty dark enough for you. Brilliant movie.

Carrie is great, but for me its not even in the same league. Fight Club, easy.

I was thinking she'd like it too- dark, warped, violent...

Fight club.

Why would I ever leave it? :p

It's dark, comforting, familiar, provides me with everything I need



Fight Club seems to me that it would be about 'fighting'

Unless people are fighting for their LIVES against some psycho, creature, deformed inbred, supernatural being, or inexplicable force or disease, I don't really care for the 'fighting thing'...It's just really boring to me.

No- it's so much more than that. But nevermind- you're a lost cause. :o

It's all too true :(

:p

AND as for you:

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on The Fly debate from a few pages back. Personally, I have a hard time even classifying The Fly as a remake - its an entirely different movie based on the same source material (George Langelaan's short story). It's a fine line, IMO. To me, it seems more like Cronenberg sat down and said "Hey, thats a really cool story. I know they already have a movie version, but I'd like to try my hand at this", rather than "Hey, that was a really cool movie - lets put some gore in it".

So, I suppose you must also hate The Magnificent Seven? Fistful of Dollars? Evil Dead II? Batman Begins? Shall I continue?

Some of those are sequels- not remakes.

I think Evil Dead 2 is labeled as a sequel, but is a remake in disguise

It's as if Sam said, "Now that I have enough money to do this right, and a better idea how I want it to go...I'm gonna redo it all over again"

More of a 'doing it the way it should have been in the first place' sorta thing.

The actual "Fight Club" aspect of that movie literally takes up about 10 minutes of screen time. Maybe 15, max. Its a movie about anarchy, psychosis, all the dark corners of society....and soap. Lots of soap.

Its a movie that defies genre IMO, but its way closer to being horror than it is to being action, with the helpful pinch of very black comedy.

Here's a deal: if you watch this movie and dont like it, I'll send you a check for however much you paid to rent/buy it, plus an extra $10 for wasting your time.

They're both more remakes than The Fly is.

Plus, you're avoiding my point :p

HaHa...getting convincing...Hmmm

Okay, just answer these few things, and I might actually consider it:

Body count?
Creative kills (this is simply a yes or no)?
Time wasted on unnecessary talking (drama)?
Time wasted on romantic crap?
Time wasted on sex scenes?
Average length of spans where absolutely nothing happens?

i'll take the ten bucks

Hahahahaha--- give up on her Return- she's set the bar rediculously low for what makes good cinema.

*Giggle*...That's true, too:o

i'll go with Carrie .. because of the impact factor. (right place right time)


enjoyed fight club though.

I don't need to avoid your "point."

I DON'T LIKE CRONENBERG'S VERSION OF THE FLY.

I LIKE THE ORIGINAL VERSION BETTER.

I don't have to justify it to you. You don't agree with me- too effing bad.

And it is a remake.

I will always chose originality and creativity over flashy, tricked up, soulless "reimaginings," no matter how popular they are with the 15-35 crowd.

That's a good point about the personal aspect...Carrie was the first Stephen King book I ever read...It's also the first movie I EVER saw at a drive-in (followed by Ruby, it was a double feature)...It holds a special place in my heart :)

Body count? - Hard to narrow that down. Off screen it'd be hundreds/thousands...on screen we've got a handful, but not TOO many.

Creative kills? - Not in the same way as something like Nightmare on Elm Street, but a definite yes.

Time wasted on unnecessary talking (drama)? - There is a lot of dialogue, but the two main characters are so cynical, nihilistic and badass that even you would like it.

Time wasted on romantic crap? - Zero.

Time wasted on sex scenes? - A few minutes, plus there are a couple scenes with the...er...""noises". The sex scene is FUCKED though - not like a normal one by any means.

Average length of spans where absolutely nothing happens? - Zero. This movie is relentless - aside from a little bit at the first and near the middle, it's pretty well non-stop craziness.

Or maybe you're just too much of a non-conformist to ever agree with the masses. You'll prejudice yourself against things based solely on the fact that they're "popular". Heaven forbid that I'm not the only person with good taste! I can't be snobby when I actually agree with popular opinion!

And you did miss my point anyway - I never said that you should like one version better than the other. I never once defended or attacked either movie - I just stated that it's hard to classify the 80's version as a "remake". Whether you like it or not is up to you - I was just trying to have a friendly discussion about why you claim not to like it.

I'm not trying to change your opinion - I'd just like to point out that you're even more of a "lost cause" (as you put it) than Rayne is.

*sigh*...Looks like I'm gonna have to check out Fight Club


The only time I have EVER been convinced to watch something when I wasn't the least bit interested (and it was a LONG time ago), was when someone told me, "I just know you'll like it...Trust me on this one...It's not what you think"

It was Nothing But Trouble...And I DID really like it...

So...It will be interesting to see what happens with this one

Damn right I am - 50+ years survival has earned me the right to be a curmudgeon.

HaHa...I love you *muah*

I'm going to jump on the Fight Club Bandwagon here and say that it was my favorite movie for years and it really made me think because it deals with issues not only about "what is reality?", but society today. Fight Club is deep, while still being gritty and dark.

I was also surprised when I saw Nothing But Trouble too.

Oh and Fight Club vote for me. :)