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X¤MurderDoll¤X 03-10-2005 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by urgeok

Its like saying - ignore a guy who screams 'kill ni**ers' in the middle of a mall.

It's not really the same, it's more along the lines of ignore someone who tells a racist joke if you're too uptight to laugh. Some people don't seem to understand that the world doesn't bow to them.

Anyway what happened to the right to free speech? Does that only apply if it doesn't conflict with your beliefs? If I hear a guy saying "Kill niggers" I'm going to tell him that's he's an ignorant racist fuck and I hope he chokes but I'm not going to go go on a crusade to stop people from saying stuff like that.

Telling a sick joke is completely different from that anyway though.

taylorsmommy 03-10-2005 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
It's not really the same, it's more along the lines of ignore someone who tells a racist joke if you're too uptight to laugh. Some people don't seem to understand that the world doesn't bow to them.

Anyway what happened to the right to free speech? Does that only apply if it doesn't conflict with your beliefs? If I hear a guy saying "Kill niggers" I'm going to tell him that's he's an ignorant racist fuck and I hope he chokes but I'm not going to go go on a crusade to stop people from saying stuff like that.

Telling a sick joke is completely different from that anyway though.

You know, I'm sick of people dragging out the old "whatever happened to free speech" deal! So freedom of speech is supposed to give you the right to say whatever the hell you want and to hell with people's feelings? I think not! Just the opinion of an old fart.

X¤MurderDoll¤X 03-10-2005 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by taylorsmommy
So freedom of speech is supposed to give you the right to say whatever the hell you want and to hell with people's feelings?
yes

taylorsmommy 03-10-2005 05:35 AM

You have alot to learn if you're going to make it in this world, little girl!

X¤MurderDoll¤X 03-10-2005 05:37 AM

Just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean you should say it. However, I truly believe that nobody should be allowed to silence you.

urgeok 03-10-2005 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
It's not really the same, it's more along the lines of ignore someone who tells a racist joke if you're too uptight to laugh. Some people don't seem to understand that the world doesn't bow to them.

Anyway what happened to the right to free speech? Does that only apply if it doesn't conflict with your beliefs? If I hear a guy saying "Kill niggers" I'm going to tell him that's he's an ignorant racist fuck and I hope he chokes but I'm not going to go go on a crusade to stop people from saying stuff like that.

Telling a sick joke is completely different from that anyway though.


it was the same in the context i meant it in .. it was re. the 'if you dont like it - dont read it' context and my point was that it was in every forum - hard to ignore.

actually free speech is a right ... but hate crime isnt (re my mall example)
There are crusades to stop people saying shit like that - its law .. and i'd stand right behind it ... but thats distracting from the point ..

i was saying somewhere else that i know where the actual jokes are coming from .. we told those 'dead baby' jokes when we were kids too believe it or not .. it probably started with my generation ...

anyway .. this was something that was going on before you showed up last nite .. it was about an attitude .. not a couple of jokes..

X¤MurderDoll¤X 03-10-2005 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by urgeok


actually free speech is a right ... but hate crime isnt (re my mall example)
There are crusades to stop people saying shit like that - its law .. and i'd stand right behind it ... but thats distracting from the point ..


But that completely goes against free speech. Saying "I hate niggers" or something is not a hate crime....

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Originally posted by urgeok
anyway .. this was something that was going on before you showed up last nite .. it was about an attitude .. not a couple of jokes..

Oh, I don't care about her. lol The topic has changed. :)

urgeok 03-10-2005 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean you should say it. However, I truly believe that nobody should be allowed to silence you.

the first statement is true ...
however if an individual in a community does speak up with something extremely unpleasant - the rest of the comunity has that same right of free speech to express how they feel about it ..

Thats not silencing someone - its more showing and hoping that the person should have the brains to silence themselves...


Hey its not like trolling is something new on a forum ...

urgeok 03-10-2005 05:53 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
[B]But that completely goes against free speech. Saying "I hate niggers" or something is not a hate crime....




well, yeah it is .. it's a moral crime anyway ..


if we're going to take this line of discussion .. here goes :


that would be an antisocial moral crime.
if its published and passed around it qualifies as hate literature .. this IS against the law ...
To me it is just as bad if its spoken allowed.

I know you dont feel that way and this is purely an academic discussion on morals, etc ...

X¤MurderDoll¤X 03-10-2005 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by urgeok
the first statement is true ...
however if an individual in a community does speak up with something extremely unpleasant - the rest of the comunity has that same right of free speech to express how they feel about it ..

That's right.


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