Didn't we already get 20 films? Deep Blue Sea was seconded by three people. I would back Ringu, but I have not seen it yet. I actually really enjoy Japanese horror. Unfortunately, I have not seen Audition or Ringu. I thought this whole backing thing was strange as well, but it is not my list thing.

The process may be unconventional, but look at how much interaction it's sparking!

Cannibal Holocaust (and others) may have predated Blair Witch, but by no means did they start the trend. How many found footage films can you think of between 1980 and 1999? Do you think the producers of Paranormal Activity were saying, "Let's make a movie like Cannibal Holocaust? Deodato really cashed in on that one."

It needs one more person to second the backing, due to the -1 beside it's nomination. (the -s beside the nomination means a strong vote was cast against the film in this subsequent discussion)

There is a delightful twist coming, once we are done with the 22 for the 00s. I would rather keep it secret for now.

I'm intrigued! Can't wait to find out.

Also, hopefully my comment wasn't taken as overly critical. I love the hashing out of the lower echelon of the 20, and agree with neverending, that it certainly sparks some interesting conversation.

There would be no point in asking for our opinions if we're not allowed to actually have a personal opinion.

Ringu was mentioned - a movie I always thought was crap, but obviously it's not crap for a lot of other people. We can't all like or dislike the same movies.

I say this with respect - but I find it a bit funny how one moment, we are wrong for not liking a movie because it's a classic or a popular movie, but the next moment we are wrong for loving a classic/popular movie because we've just been brainwashed to like it by the media - depending on what suits someone's personal taste best.

I know it's a cliche, but why can't we agree to disagree? I really don't want this to sound like I'm shouting at anyone, but I honestly find it a bit snobbish to bash other people's opinion and basically tell them to keep it to themselves unless they agree with you. ("you" is not anyone in particular).

I'll back The Faculty. I'm sure some of you might call it a "God awful" movie (no offense), but I actually really liked it

I actually love that movie

I'll also back Event Horizon.

I agree. I actually thought it was a really good movie with an interesting idea, which, in my opinion, was well executed and acted.

I just want to say that if I say a movie sucks it doesn't mean that I am saying you suck for liking it.....

That said, I am all for a little bit of criticism and healthy debate, its part of the selection process and gets people to challenge their original lists. It's not a bad thing to critique people's choices if it sparks debate and its certainly not a bad thing for people to change their mind now and then.

I am enjoying the process and debate/ opinions, but equally I don't see any harm in calling movies out for the shit storm that they are. I'm happy to challenge peoples opinions if I don't agree, that's the point of having the debate in the first place. Its nothing personal and doesn't reflect my opinions on any individual and I certainly don't mean any harm or disrespect to anyone. People can look back through at some of the movies I have backed that haven't gotten a single vote, some of them probably people have seen and didn't like, some of them people probably haven't seen. It really doesn't matter what people make of your opinion, its better to have one and get a dialogue going....

In short, I am going to continue to hate on DBS and hope it doesn't make it into the top 20. :p

My own personal opinion on movies like Deep Blue Sea and a few of the other movies I consider questionable, is that you can like a movie without it actually being any good but that doesn't mean it belongs in the top 20 movies. The reason I am challenging and neg voting it is more to do with the fact that I think it's a weak choice than me criticising anyone for liking it. Example being, I had The Video Dead in my top 80s list. When it came to backing movies I didn't make a case for it, because I know it doesn't belong, I just love the movie and wanted to represent it in my list. The movie I did make a case for was The Changeling because I fully believed it to be amongst the best of the decade and deserving of a spot.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not take criticisms of films personally (at least I try not to). I actually greatly enjoy debating, in general. As for Deep Blue Sea, I respect your opinion, but can not see it at all because I have always considered it an excellent film. I actually thought the acting was really good, especially Samuel L. Jackson. As for story and plot, I actually consider it to be really strong and was used to explore the dangers of science. As for the special effects (i.e. CGI), I would have to agree it was pretty terrible, even by 90s standards. Honestly, I did not realize that that this film was hated by so many people. In fact, it is probably my favorite shark movie after Jaws. The same goes for Anaconda (in that I thought it was pretty good). I will say that, in my opinion, Deep Blue Sea was better than Anaconda, but I still thought Anaconda was really good, although I would not include it on a top 20 List. The only thing I disagree with is that some people seem to act like they know better than others. I find that to be pretentious. I don't claim to possess absolute knowledge of what are the best films and so should no one else. What one person considers "crap" another considers to be a masterpiece. So, I think we should debate the merits (or lack thereof) of said film. Anyway, those are my thoughts on this. If I insulted someone, I apologize (I have trouble understanding tone, so if my tone seems to harsh, I did not intend it to be so).

Well said, Straker, on all points. I think we have a similar philosophy regarding this thread.

I've decided to remove my original diatribe and the reactions to it as distracting from the task at hand.

I still decry how little people value a depth of knowledge on a subject, in favor of blind emotion.

It's tragic.

I doubt this will encourage anyone else to do the same and therefore they probably won't be added to the final list but i would like to back Shakma and Hiruku The Goblin.

Still in search of 1 more film from the 90s to be finalised.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=468

Be minded that entries for the 2000s are still being accepted. I currently have EIGHT lists with me, and I hope to get at least SEVEN more, if not much more than that, before we start our compilation work.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...=57593&page=41

I don't understand which films are in the final cut so far. I count 17 with 5 or more votes.


Okay, I see- it's all that are in bold.

Wow... I can't believe there's so little love for Sleepy Hollow. One of Burton's best, IMO.

If we need one more, I'll cast a vote for Nightbreed. Having recently seen Nightbreed: The Cabal Cut, the restored version that can only be seen at festivals or conventions, it was truly a mind blowing experience. Barker's best film by far.

Still, if somebody steps up with a vote for Sleepy Hollow, I'll withdraw my vote for Nightbreed.

I can't believe that you have only received 8 lists for the 00s! I figured you would have at least twelve or thirteen by now, especially since these are the most recent films.

I'm surprised too. Sleepy Hollow is a great film

I guess I need to watch this film again. I have always considered it to be good, but not excellent. I am curious what are your reasons why you believe it is a great film? I am not challenging your views by the question; I am actually curious.

Someone needs to get behind Cronos, its such a quality horror flick and great take on the vampire genre. Del Toro is a quality writer and director and this is not only his first feature length movie, but easily amongst his best work. The story is beautiful and the characters are believable. Its one of the most creative and original vampire movies made..... For anyone who hasn't watched it, you really have to see it, great piece of cinema.

At this point I'd be happy to back Sleepy Hollow or Ringu, but I don't want to back anything that is going to make the final cut until Cronos has had every chance to make the final 20.

The direction, acting, score, writing and sets are all superbly done. It has a great story and a genuine spooky atmosphere. It is also IMO the best version of The Headless Horseman story i have seen made into film. Also as Neverending said it is one of Burton's best movies.

I have never seen Cronos but have meant to as i am a fan of Del Toro. I just havent gotten around to it. However i will back it based solely on your recommendation

Chronos is a great film. Del Toro burst upon the scene with a work of brilliance. I think Chronos, Sleepy Hollow and Nightbreed all deserve to be on the list over several that have already made it.

Oh my gosh, yes please, Cronos! A unique film in so many respects.

At this point, my "degree" of pleading for backings is this:

#1 Ringu, for its importance in horror history, and the onslaught of J-horror, and American remakes that it inspired. Also a darn good movie, even though we're all bored of it now.

#2 Cronos, for its sheer uniqueness, quality -- dare I say, flawlessness -- and everything Straker said. An amazing debut (I didn't know it was his first) by one of today's premier horror directors.

#3 Audition, for bringing back the shock value previously only found in exploitation films, yet making it an essential part of great storytelling, thus not exploitative at all. Whether you like this kind of thing or not, Miike left an impact on horror with this one, and is highly influential. Also, it should already be in there because of the number of original votes it received.

I really can't believe that all three movies are not in the final 20. Since only one can make it, I won't make a plea for Natural Born Killers, even though I think it's a perfect representation of how the 90s was not a horror decade -- the genre's theatrics and "simplicity" -- were completely out of fashion, just like new wave and hair metal were replaced by alternative rock. Horror was either satired (Scream) or embedded in other genres, like crime mysteries (Se7en, Silence of the Lambs), drama (Sixth Sense) and comedy (Army of Darkness, the Frighteners). Natural Born Killers is a lot of things, most notably a social commentary, while also being an effective horror movie, especially the scene with the Indian hallucination ritual.

If none of the above get a vote, I would back Sleepy Hollow, especially since Burton is not yet represented in the history. (Beetlejuice was his best shot.) I completely forgot about this movie when doing my rankings, but I remember liking it a lot when I saw it. The fact that i forgot about it, and have never rewatched it, is perhaps a notch against it though.

Can we take away backing? If so i'll take away my backing of Leprechaun if it'll remove it from the final list so we can put in some better films. I've done some thinking and despite liking it and thinking of it fondly due to watching it in my childhood, it's not a movie that deserves to be in the final list especially over other movies that people are rallying for.

The 20th (and final) film finalised is Cronos, after your second backing.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=468

If we go by Giganticface's final post/backing, the 21st film (next in order) would be Sleepy Hollow. Do you really wish to withdraw your backing of Leprechaun? That would make Sleepy Hollow squeeze into the top 20 by sealing the final spot.

Yes i would, Sleepy Hollow deserves it over Leprechaun

Okay.

We now have our chosen 20 from the 90s.

I will wait till this weekend for more entries for the 2000s, and hopefully we should start compilation work by then. So (for now), expect the 2000s compiled Master List by Saturday.

I wish StarChild were here to see what he might vote for. It seems like we only have 6 or so people contributing at the moment. Could we give it a half day or so to see if anyone else votes? (Of course that opens the door for another random vote. Cutting it off now would ensure a quality choice - Sleepy Hollow - makes the list.)

I appreciate and respect Villain's gesture. I think it says a lot about a person's maturity to re-evaluate their own input.

[Edit] I wrote this while Villain responded and V made the decision, so please ignore in terms of setting the 20.

Thank you. For the 2000's i'm gonna be more careful for what i back.

ANNOUNCEMENT


The scope of this project was originally intended to be really huge (in terms of the now-defunct The A to Z Encyclopedia of Horror), and so, to respect Flayed's original vision, I am stretching this project to 200 of the finest films of our genre, stretching over NINE periods (and THREE eras) of horror movies.

This will be followed by 55 Honorable Nominations, hopefully with equal representation from all periods mentioned above.

So, if you can do the math, you might have an idea of the "delightful twist" I mentioned to Giganticface yesterday. ;)



Send those 2000s list of 22 choices soon, folks!

Yipes!


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Hey, ho! I love it!

Working hard on the 2000s. Really tough because there are a lot of great choices, and unlike the 90s the list is deep. Right now, my 80th ranked film is honestly not that far off from my 23rd. The top 22 is starting to become clear though. The fact that I have it ranked through 80 (actually more like 150) tells you a bit about my process... I already have an ongoing list that I keep up to date with each movie I watch. (Nerddom.) The challenge, of course, is picking the right ones for this particular project.

Definitely give it a watch if you get chance, such a great twist on the vampire tale and as well written as anything Del Toro has done. :cool:

I'll move it up on my movies to watch list

I am going to re-watch Sleepy Hollow right now and I will order Cronos on Netflix. I think in the end, we got a pretty good list for the 1990s. At least, in my opinion. I will have to agree, while Leprechaun is entertaining and may have represented where horror was in the 1990s, it does not really deserve to be on a top 20 list of the 90s.

After re-watching Sleepy Hollow, I have to say that I agree that this film definitely deserves a place on the top 20. It is a very well done film. One of Tim Burton's best. I will say that I am disappointed that Natural Born Killers did not make the list. I thought that was a very well done film as well. Overall, I think the list for the 90s is pretty strong, at least in my opinion (no offense, but it was definitely strengthened when Leprechaun was removed).

Completely agree. Supernatural and new sci-fi storylines, depth of story, depth of characters and development, heroes that change/develop/mature in the movie, has brought horror back on the map.

Very true. For instance, I think most of the non-CG special effects of the creatures in The Thing 82 are still better than most in the 90s and 2000s. The CG backgrounds of today's movie are fantastic, but still most of the 'living' CG creatures are still have something 'off' about them, in a bad way. Of course, all non-CG creatures of the 80s, and CG creatures 90-00s, have something 'off' about them, but former is in a good effective way, and the later in a phoney 'take you out of the suspension of disbelief' way.

Fascinating, and well said. I really like the perception you bring to film in your critiques. Aspects of Horror films can have an extremely destructive effect on us when it has us concentrate on things that are bad, horrible and evil, in place of things that are good, noble and lovely. But a story can always remind us of (or reveal) our evil natures that continually needs treatment, healing and maturing.