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fuglystick 08-29-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872452)
I agree. But. Because homophobia. Is a natural condition. Then a gay employer. Should not be able to deny employment to a homophobic. But i bet, if it went to court. The gay boss would win the court case. Which is discriminatory.

Homophobia is not a "natural condition". Dope.

Posher778 08-29-2010 09:13 PM

Gay people are the devil

X¤MurderDoll¤X 08-29-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Posher778 (Post 872466)
Gay people are the devil

finally, someone starts making some sense.

wufongtan. 08-29-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872455)
Homophobia is not a "natural condition". Dope.

Yes it is. Just like homosexuality is "hardwired" into a gays brain. So is "homophobia" is hard wired into "homophobic brains. I know to some. It might seem frighting, to think that what many might deem a negative condition, as part of many humans natural make up. But it is the case.
And if people say that. Homophobia is part of human conditioning. So might one say that accepting homosexuality is also human conditioning. And it has nothing with acceptance at all. But rather, its all down to brain washing?

X¤MurderDoll¤X 08-29-2010 11:47 PM

act right or ill punch you in the mouf

Elvis_Christ 08-29-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X (Post 872526)
act right or ill punch you in the mouf

Haha I read that as MUFF. Way funnier tbh.

Posher778 08-29-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872523)
Yes it is. Just like homosexuality is "hardwired" into a gays brain. So is "homophobia" is hard wired into "homophobic brains. I know to some. It might seem frighting, to think that what many might deem a negative condition, as part of many humans natural make up. But it is the case.
And if people say that. Homophobia is part of human conditioning. So might one say that accepting homosexuality is also human conditioning. And it has nothing with acceptance at all. But rather, its all down to brain washing?

So you're gay?

Elvis_Christ 08-29-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Posher778 (Post 872529)
So you're gay?

You two would make a great couple.

wufongtan. 08-29-2010 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Posher778 (Post 872529)
So you're gay?

You wish........

Elvis_Christ 08-30-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872537)
You wish........

Nah YOU wish.

fuglystick 08-30-2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872523)
Yes it is. Just like homosexuality is "hardwired" into a gays brain. So is "homophobia" is hard wired into "homophobic brains. I know to some. It might seem frighting, to think that what many might deem a negative condition, as part of many humans natural make up. But it is the case.
And if people say that. Homophobia is part of human conditioning. So might one say that accepting homosexuality is also human conditioning. And it has nothing with acceptance at all. But rather, its all down to brain washing?

Come up with some proof.

X¤MurderDoll¤X 08-30-2010 12:05 AM

I don't think posher would have sex with wufongtan, sorry wu

X¤MurderDoll¤X 08-30-2010 12:13 AM

hatin gayz is natural, tolerance is learned.
humans are jerks

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ (Post 872539)
Nah YOU wish.

You beg........

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872540)
Come up with some proof.

When you prove that homosexuality is natural.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X (Post 872541)
I don't think posher would have sex with wufongtan, sorry wu

My feelings of relief, outweighs any feelings of disappointment.

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872452)
I agree. But. Because homophobia. Is a natural condition. Then a gay employer. Should not be able to deny employment to a homophobic. But i bet, if it went to court. The gay boss would win the court case. Which is discriminatory.

The gay employer would have no reason to take the employee to court unless said employee was acting inappropriately in which case it would be a matter of abuse and not the employer disagreeing with the employees mindset. However, the employer could also refuse employment because the person's homophobia could impair their ability to work and receive orders from a gay boss.

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 07:14 AM

I actually think for once Wufongtan might be on to something. There could be people who have a natural fear of gays just as many are scared of spiders. There are phobias for almost anything. The thing is, going back to my previous point, acting on homosexuality doesn't affect anybody's human rights whereas acting on homophobia does. Equally, phobias can be dealt with far easier than the most basic instinct of attraction.

fuglystick 08-30-2010 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872568)
When you prove that homosexuality is natural.

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The anterior hypothalamus of the brain participates in the regulation of male-typical sexual behavior. The volumes of four cell groups in this region [interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH) 1, 2, 3, and 4] were measured in postmortem tissue from three subject groups: women, men who were presumed to be heterosexual, and homosexual men. No differences were found between the groups in the volumes of INAH 1, 2, or 4. As has been reported previously, INAH 3 was more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the women. It was also, however, more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the homosexual men. This finding indicates that INAH is dimorphic with sexual orientation, at least in men, and suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...;253/5023/1034

You want the full article, get it yourself.

Your turn. (Here's a hint: The closest you're going to come is proving homophobes are sociopaths. So, uh, congratulations on that?)

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872583)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...;253/5023/1034

You want the full article, get it yourself.

Your turn. (Here's a hint: The closest you're going to come is proving homophobes are sociopaths. So, uh, congratulations on that?)

Wow, I genuinely didn't know that. I knew it was biological somehow but didn't know to what degree.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872583)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...;253/5023/1034

You want the full article, get it yourself.

Your turn. (Here's a hint: The closest you're going to come is proving homophobes are sociopaths. So, uh, congratulations on that?)

At best. biological research into sexual preference is muddled and inconclusive. And if it is to be relied upon. All it means is that homosexuality is caused by a chemical in balance in the brain. Much like depression. So if you're correct. Then people should stop calling them gays and start calling them sads. While it's a long bow to call. Homophobes sociopaths. Their "problem" (don't believe they have one.) Is more a hard wiring of the brain. Which really means. That Homophobes are indeed more natural than homosexuals.

novadawn969 08-30-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by urdevil (Post 870740)
How original. I didnt realize that trolls existed in Canada. You just try too hard to be "cool". Stop being a douche


:eek:
Oh my... I can't believe I just saw the word troll on HDC.
I thought we were better than that... ::tisk tisk::

I couldn't read on and not reply to that... :rolleyes:

You will realize, urdevel, that we are all trolls. I haven't been here in... forever and a day, and I still believe that.
We just kick ass like that. :D

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 02:36 PM

You know what, does it even fucking matter? I know that this isn't something I chose, because if it was then I would have made a lot of different choices when I was younger. It isn't something I could get away from and I really wanted to. And perhaps homophobes are natural too, but I don't see why they have to act on it. They don't gain any pleasure from it! It's just a "condition" based around anger and hate, and most of all a lack of tolerance. Homosexuality is a condition based around love and attraction. I think I know which is more natural of the two of them.

fuglystick 08-30-2010 02:38 PM

Whether homosexuality is a function of biology or personal choice shouldn't even be an issue; either way, it doesn't excuse a homophobic response. But I've always been amazed that homophobes believe that homosexuals would just voluntarily choose to join a persecuted and marginalized demographic. To what purpose? Just to piss off the homophobes?

fuglystick 08-30-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872657)
At best. biological research into sexual preference is muddled and inconclusive. And if it is to be relied upon. All it means is that homosexuality is caused by a chemical in balance in the brain. Much like depression. So if you're correct. Then people should stop calling them gays and start calling them sads. While it's a long bow to call. Homophobes sociopaths. Their "problem" (don't believe they have one.) Is more a hard wiring of the brain. Which really means. That Homophobes are indeed more natural than homosexuals.

So first, you want to disregard the science, and second, you want to classify homosexuality as a disease. You insist that homophobia is a matter of "hard wiring" (without providing any evidence, as requested), but the evidence that homosexuality is biological you disregard out of hand. Tell me, do you have calluses on your knuckles from pacing around your cage on them?

Come back with some proof to back up your position, or don't bother coming back at all. I'm not going to waste time on someone who lets his ass speak for him.

illdojo 08-30-2010 02:55 PM

Well....I'm off to my Laboratory with 2 smokin' hot lesbo's to figure this whole "gay" thing out. I'll get back to you guy's. This could take some time and effort.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872662)
But I've always been amazed that homophobes believe that homosexuals would just voluntarily choose to join a persecuted and marginalized demographic. To what purpose? Just to piss off the homophobes?

Yeah ok. Homosexuality. is the in thing. They are the most protected and praised members of the community. Look at how many African Americans died, because of race hate. Many thousands. One gay gets murdered. (it wasn't even because he was gay.) And they bring in tough hate crime laws.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872665)
So first, you want to disregard the science, and second, you want to classify homosexuality as a disease. You insist that homophobia is a matter of "hard wiring" (without providing any evidence, as requested), but the evidence that homosexuality is biological you disregard out of hand. Tell me, do you have calluses on your knuckles from pacing around your cage on them?

Come back with some proof to back up your position, or don't bother coming back at all. I'm not going to waste time on someone who lets his ass speak for him.

I never " just" disregarded your Scientific" evidence. I just said what the main stream science community says. To find out why people are hard wired to be homophobes. Go research why people have green eyes or blond hair. It's the same principal.
One more thing. I find amusing about your post.
You use the NIMH epidemiological research as proof as homosexuality, being a natural occurrence. Then say. What i have described homophobes as sociopaths. Yet both homosexuals and sociopaths. Have high levels of NIMH .
Yet one section of society having these high levels is seen as proof that their condition is natural. And the other group. Well people speak of cures and treatments.

fuglystick 08-30-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872675)
I never " just" disregarded your Scientific" evidence. I just said what the main stream science community says. To find out why people are hard wired to be homophobes. Go research why people have green eyes or blond hair. It's the same principal.
One more thing. I find amusing about your post.
You use the NIMH epidemiological research as proof as homosexuality, being a natural occurrence. Then say. What i have described homophobes as sociopaths. Yet both homosexuals and sociopaths. Have high levels of NIMH .
Yet one section of society having these high levels is seen as proof that their condition is natural. And the other group. Well people speak of cures and treatments.

You are not citing any evidence to support your position, and until you do, it's nothing but opinion. I'm done with you.

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872675)
I never " just" disregarded your Scientific" evidence. I just said what the main stream science community says. To find out why people are hard wired to be homophobes. Go research why people have green eyes or blond hair. It's the same principal.
One more thing. I find amusing about your post.
You use the NIMH epidemiological research as proof as homosexuality, being a natural occurrence. Then say. What i have described homophobes as sociopaths. Yet both homosexuals and sociopaths. Have high levels of NIMH .
Yet one section of society having these high levels is seen as proof that their condition is natural. And the other group. Well people speak of cures and treatments.

What I find amusing is that you're saying about how Homophobes are misunderstood and shouldn't be judged etc. because they can't change it. Can you spell irony?

And really, what kind of an argument is "more people should be persecuted and killed before society bans the prejudice of a group of people"? No doubt you'll argue my rewriting of your words but that is the jist of what you said.

And you must be truly ignorant to believe that someone would choose to be homosexual just to be popular. Do you know why? Because you can't choose to be homosexual. You can choose to perform the acts, you could have sex with a thousand of the same sex and still not be gay because it is in the MIND. It isn't the act which makes somebody homosexual, it's the inner thoughts. Why anybody would have sex with 1000 of the same sex and not enjoy it is beyond me, but I'm just using it for my point. Just like somebody could practice a christianity, but unless they truly believe in it, they're not real christians.

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872673)
Yeah ok. Homosexuality. is the in thing. They are the most protected and praised members of the community. Look at how many African Americans died, because of race hate. Many thousands. One gay gets murdered. (it wasn't even because he was gay.) And they bring in tough hate crime laws.

Just stupid. This entire post. You may have only heard of one gay person being murdered but that doesn't mean it's the only occasion. The laws were brought in because of common sense, compassion, understanding and respect. Tough hate crime laws? And are you suggesting by "tough" hate crime laws that they should be more lax? Perhaps you should be able to beat a gay person for their sexuality moderately. Have a broken bone limit. No prosecution if it's under 3.

As for the "most praised and protected" members of society. One, completely false. One of the reasons I've still not come out to many is because all throughout the day, from my friends and from my co-workers I often here both casual and aggressive slander of gays.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 872677)
What I find amusing is that you're saying about how Homophobes are misunderstood and shouldn't be judged etc. because they can't change it. Can you spell irony?

Of course i can. I stated this fact in my second post on this thread.

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 872677)
And really, what kind of an argument is "more people should be persecuted and killed before society bans the prejudice of a group of people"? No doubt you'll argue my rewriting of your words but that is the jist of what you said.

I never claimed that the race hate laws are a bad thing. I was answering your claim that gays are so down trodden and persecuted. They kill many thousand of African Americans because of race over many years. And no tough laws are brought in to stop this. They kill one person who happened to be gay. And tough new laws are brought in asap. That occurrence, shows that gays are not down trodden and persecuted.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 872678)
As for the "most praised and protected" members of society. One, completely false. One of the reasons I've still not come out to many is because all throughout the day, from my friends and from my co-workers I often here both casual and aggressive slander of gays.

I understand. It's one of the reason why i refuse to come out as a straight white male. Everytime i turn on the tv, i hear both casual and agressive slander of straight white males.

fuglystick 08-30-2010 03:56 PM

Poor Wu, persecuted homophobe :(

Shame on you, Ferret, for callously manipulating Wu's biological imperative to hate. I'm not sure, but he might have a civil rights case...

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872680)
Of course i can. I stated this fact in my second post on this thread.



I never claimed that the race hate laws are a bad thing. I was answering your claim that gays are so down trodden and persecuted. They kill many thousand of African Americans because of race over many years. And no tough laws are brought in to stop this. They kill one person who happened to be gay. And tough new laws are brought in asap. That occurrence, shows that gays are not down trodden and persecuted.

No, it shows that society has moved on and recognises that they need to take action to prevent a problem before it reaches the extremities of the black race prejudice. Doesn't mean that there aren't still countless people out there who would quite happily do the same as they did to the gays as the blacks. We may not perhaps be in as bad a situation as they were, and in some cases still are, but there is still a lot of hatred out there.

ferretchucker 08-30-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan. (Post 872681)
I understand. It's one of the reason why i refuse to come out as a straight white male. Everytime i turn on the tv, i hear both casual and agressive slander of straight white males.

Trouble is, the slander isn't because of your sexuality or the colour of your skin. In your case it's probably about your biological need to hate. (Natural homophobia)

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fuglystick (Post 872682)
Poor Wu, persecuted homophobe :(

Shame on you, Ferret, for callously manipulating Wu's biological imperative to hate. I'm not sure, but he might have a civil rights case...

I have never stated a view one way or another on the subject.
Putting unwarranted lables on people. Is just evidence, that you have run out of things to say, before you ran out of the energy to type.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 872684)
Trouble is, the slander isn't because of your sexuality or the colour of your skin. In your case it's probably about your biological need to hate. (Natural homophobia)

That's a narrow minded bias, dare i say hetrophobic thing to say.

The Mothman 08-30-2010 08:56 PM

check out what Ugandans thinks of homosexuality.

wufongtan. 08-30-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mothman (Post 872714)
check out what Ugandans thinks of homosexuality.

How dare they question, the great Barry Obama. The messiah of all things left winged


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