any movie where freddy fights someone and loses is asenine even though i loved FVJ it just is crazy he cant lose. Pinhead has to sleep even if he is in hell so hes not safe but freddy hes only in danger if hes alive in the real world and that can only happen if pinhead pulls him out and if freddy can get to him fast enough befor ph figures it out then its a no contest

I also came up w/ a certain date for the movie, maybe 2008, or maybe further in the future so there couldbe a final winner without disturbing future sequels

so as far as michael having a chance against ph there isnt one cause ph has his little goons and what not

michael takes on a bunch of people everytime he goes on screen...

pinhead and his crew are pansies compared to michael

Michael could probably kill the other cenobites, but Pinhead's chains...I don't know about that

dude.. the doctor in hellraiser two aced every cenobite in that chamber.. including pinhead

i doubt michael would have much trouble

that was because pinhead's soul left his flesh, or sumthin like that... Because when Kirsty showed him the picture and made him belive the truth he became powerless

yea.. and michael is never weak to that kidn of stuff

thats cause pinhead only kills those who called on them