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neverending 10-14-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 741265)
Whatever, it's your OPINION that rap is not music, not a fact. You can't get pissed that people disagree with you even if they are lazy and know nothing about "music".

Not MY opinion- the opinion of people who understand the definition of music- as set out even in your dictionary. If it doesn't have all the elements of music, it's not music. I didn't make up the definition.


And who says I'm pissed about anything?

People ascribe a lot of traits to me that aren't very accurate.

Despare 10-14-2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741274)
Not MY opinion- the opinion of people who understand the definition of music- as set out even in your dictionary. If it doesn't have all the elements of music, it's not music. I didn't make up the definition.


And who says I'm pissed about anything?

People ascribe a lot of traits to me that aren't very accurate.

Really? So professors from Heriot Watt University, Harvard, and Yale who are experts in music are wrong while you are right. Here, write her and tell her she's been wasting her life because rap isn't music.

Gail H. Woldu, Assistant Professor of Music
(Ph.D., Yale University, 1983)

Office: AAC 111
Office Phone: (860) 297-2372
E-mail: [email protected]
Homepage: Not available

Professional Interests:
The music of Black-Americans, the music of Black-American women, rap music, hip hop culture.

Current Research:
Not available

Select Publications:
She has written several articles on rap in the classroom that explore the pedagogical issues unique to teaching rap and other forms of popular black music.

urgeok2 10-14-2008 06:29 PM

i think people can know a lot about music.
trace the history - the lineage.
read about what musicians say about their music..read about or hear the influences ...

but to give it a definition ?

i dont think it's possible .. (despite the fact that some learned people did it)

isn't music whatever you want it to be ?
banging 2 rocks together, hitting a log with a stick ?

how can there be a right or wrong definition of this unless it's so broad it encompases absolutely everything anyone could consider to be music ..

i dont think its a science personally

Despare 10-14-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 741281)
i think people can know a lot about music.
trace the history - the lineage.
read about what musicians say about their music..read about or hear the influences ...

but to give it a definition ?

i dont think it's possible .. (despite the fact that some learned people did it)

isn't music whatever you want it to be ?
banging 2 rocks together, hitting a log with a stick ?

how can there be a right or wrong definition of this unless it's so broad it encompases absolutely everything anyone could consider to be music ..

i dont think its a science personally

Which is why it's ok to have the opinion that rap isn't music but you cannot say that it's a fact.

neverending 10-14-2008 06:46 PM

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

Posher778 10-14-2008 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741296)
Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

And the plot thickens :D

Despare 10-14-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741296)
Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

I'm saying I threw a definition in because you were so intent on defining it. YOU were saying that by definition rap wasn't music so I simply posted the definition, did I say that I adhered to it?

X¤MurderDoll¤X 10-14-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741296)
Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

quite correct sir, blather on.

Despare 10-14-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Posher778 (Post 741297)
And the plot thickens :D

Your two cents aren't needed here, save it and buy some balls.

:p

Leprucky Cougar 10-14-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741296)
Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????


He was using the dictionary to discredit your belief on the terminology of music and how it is implied and interpreted; merely used to eliminate your claim. That was his weapon of choice. Because you have tended to go on and on about how significant diction and specifically the interpretation of diction. However, his mere point was to reiterate to you that music even when one ponders with words, the more and more life goes on--there will never be any universial definition to define music as a factual entity through one specific and concise mannerism. Because it's impossible because of the many evolutions it is and will take. Just because new genres of music emerge, and it may not be the same way it was 50 yrs ago--or even how you were, it doesn't mean it isn't what it intended to be --which is music. No matter the genre, no matter the type--no matter the form--no matter the style; music is music. And Despare and urge I'm with you on this one.


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