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Leprucky Cougar 10-14-2008 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 741048)
Ya know, after reading that whole summary I am totally sure the movie is exactly they way I said it was going to be so I stand with my statement. It's crap. Thats the only genre it deserves to be in.

And to answer your question, No I don't personally think rap is music, but don't get me wrong its not how it sounds. I think of rap as more of a form of poetry with a beat in the background. So I don't really think it falls under the category of music vs lyrics, since rap is mainly lyrics.

1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form? I am still perplexed at the moment.

urgeok2 10-14-2008 01:58 PM
since we're talking 'urban' music ..

here's who i can honestly say i like :

Public Enemy
Run DMC
Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Jungle Brothers
Black Sheep (my favorite)
Fugees (and the solo efforts)


I prefer Trip Hop and old school.

i dont hear much the kids are playing that i can stand - but i'm told that there is a huge underground scene that is still good music.

Psycom5k 10-14-2008 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar (Post 741056)
1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form?
TOO MANY BIG WORDS!!! STOP IT!! MY BRAIN HURTS!!! But no, any other type of music has some actual instrument in it, whereas with rap you could just have a beat machine, or a program making beats.

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I am still perplexed at the moment.
Thats just because you're female, don't worry do some dishes and that will go away.



























I KEED I KEED!

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neverending 10-14-2008 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar (Post 741056)
1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form? I am still perplexed at the moment.
Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.

Leprucky Cougar 10-14-2008 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 741061)
since we're talking 'urban' music ..

here's who i can honestly say i like :

Public Enemy
Run DMC
Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Jungle Brothers (my favorite)
Black Sheep
Fugees (and the solo efforts)


I prefer Trip Hop and old school.

i dont hear much the kids are playing that i can stand - but i'm told that there is a huge underground scene that is still good music.

Yes the undergrund scene. That's what I was talking about earlier. Plenty of people like those and 2pac are still around. Nas, Saul Williams, Mos Def, Anthony Hamilton, Common, KRS One, Marley Marl, et al. They refuse to "sell out" and go back to "what simply sells", hence Jay Z retired for a year but went back to the game.

Posher778 10-14-2008 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741067)
Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.
I second this.

Leprucky Cougar 10-14-2008 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741067)
Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.
I don't see how they don't have all, even if the form isn't as typical as what you would prefer it being, I still don't see substantial difference; it appears the same but different forms--different styles.

darkness_falls 10-14-2008 02:05 PM
Both music and lyrics is not necessary for good music.
For example you can have just Lyrics, i.e. Are You That Somebody (A-Capella Version) or just Music as in an instrumental, i.e. Jay-Z's instrumentals.
There was a famous pianist who during concert didn't play anything for like 10 minutes and got a standing ovation. Because the music is not voice and instruments but also the silence too.

neverending 10-14-2008 02:10 PM
It's difficult to explain color to the blind.

I didn't make this up. Rap is not sung- it's spoken. Therefore, it has no melody. You're honestly unable to discern this? If so, say so, because you don't have the ability to understand or perceive the differences and I'll bow out of the discussion because I don't like blabbering for nothing.

bloody_ribcut 10-14-2008 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by neverending (Post 741079)
It's difficult to explain color to the blind.

I didn't make this up. Rap is not sung- it's spoken. Therefore, it has no melody. You're honestly unable to discern this? If so, say so, because you don't have the ability to understand or perceive the differences and I'll bow out of the discussion because I don't like blabbering for nothing.
bone thugs n harmony


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