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metternich1815 08-14-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 954983)
With 21 & 22 and prepping for 6 Honorable Mentions, perhaps, with the exception of Audition, I think there's a lot of relatively weaker film choices highlighted here. I wonder if we might be over looking some films? Anyone have some possible suggestions?

Arachnophobia (1990) - I thought Arachnophobia was an excellent film, both scary, well shot and originally funny (Goodman), and also highly rated.

Jurassic Park (1993) - I really enjoyed Jurassic Park. Has strong horror elements. Not a prefect film by any means, but brought the wonder and horror of dinosaurs back to big screen in a real heavy hitting visceral experience. Spielberg is good.

Arachnophobia is good, I will consider backing it for honorable mention. As I have mentioned, I cast a wide net for what is a horror movie, but in this case I disagree. I think that the horror in Jurassic Park is not strong enough, so I group it as science fiction. That is the only reason I have not backed this film. In reality, it is one of my all-time favorite films (definitely top ten), but I just do not consider it horror.

The Villain 08-14-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sculpt (Post 954983)
With 21 & 22 and prepping for 6 Honorable Mentions, perhaps, with the exception of Audition, I think there's a lot of relatively weaker film choices highlighted here. I wonder if we might be over looking some films? Anyone have some possible suggestions?

Arachnophobia (1990) - I thought Arachnophobia was an excellent film, both scary, well shot and originally funny (Goodman), and also highly rated.

Jurassic Park (1993) - I really enjoyed Jurassic Park. Has strong horror elements. Not a prefect film by any means, but brought the wonder and horror of dinosaurs back to big screen in a real heavy hitting visceral experience. Spielberg is good.

Neither one of those are good enough to belong on this list and I wouldn't even count Jurassic Park as horror.

fortunato 08-14-2013 01:45 PM

I'm definitely with NE on Nightbreed, especially now that the new (correct) cut is out.

fortunato 08-14-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Giganticface (Post 954935)
Nice writeup, and beyond that, great blog. I dig your writing style. I don't suppose you plan to start updating it again? I'd definitely RSS that shiz. Love the post about the movie posters.

Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'd like to get back to that blog, and perhaps I will at some point, but I just don't have the time currently. I write from time to time for a couple other internet publications. I can send you links to those if you're interested.
Thanks again!

neverending 08-14-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fortunato (Post 954989)
I'm definitely with NE on Nightbreed, especially now that the new (correct) cut is out.


It isn't out yet. It's expected in 2014.

metternich1815 08-14-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 954988)
Neither one of those are good enough to belong on this list and I wouldn't even count Jurassic Park as horror.

In my opinion, Jurassic Park is an awesome movie and if this was a top 22 movie list, it would definitely be on my list. However,this is not such a list and I do agree that I do not think Jurassic Park is horror. As for Arachnophobia, I think it is a very well-made movie with some great performances, I would only debate whether if it is good enough to be on the top 22 or even honorable mentions.

The Villain 08-14-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by metternich1815 (Post 954995)
In my opinion, Jurassic Park is an awesome movie and if this was a top 22 movie list, it would definitely be on my list. However,this is not such a list and I do agree that I do not think Jurassic Park is horror. As for Arachnophobia, I think it is a very well-made movie with some great performances, I would only debate whether if it is good enough to be on the top 22 or even honorable mentions.

I have to disagree with you on Arachnophobia Its not scary or well made in my opinion, certainly not to the caliber that were trying to reach with this list. Its a fun movie but that's about it. Its too silly to be taken seriously.

metternich1815 08-14-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Villain (Post 954996)
I have to disagree with you on Arachnophobia Its not scary or well made in my opinion, certainly not to the caliber that were trying to reach with this list. Its a fun movie but that's about it. Its too silly to be taken seriously.

I think we can at least agree that it does not belong on the top 22 and very likely does not even belong in the honorable mentions section. On the film itself we disagree. To me, Arachnophobia was a surprisingly good horror film that gave me the "creepy crawlies" after I finished it (so, I suppose it scared me in that way). I thought the performances especially by Daniels and Goodman were excellent. It was humorous, even silly, but that was the point. In my opinion, just because a horror movie is humorous that not mean it is automatically bad or not worthy of inclusion on a best list (which when we get to the next decade we will disagree again on this because of my support of Grindhouse). Not all horror movies are scary and not all of them try to be. We disagree on the film itself and that is fine. As I stated, I really enjoy the film, but am skeptical, like you, that it deserves a place on this list.

The Villain 08-14-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by metternich1815 (Post 954999)
I think we can at least agree that it does not belong on the top 22 and very likely does not even belong in the honorable mentions section. On the film itself we disagree. To me, Arachnophobia was a surprisingly good horror film that gave me the "creepy crawlies" after I finished it (so, I suppose it scared me in that way). I thought the performances especially by Daniels and Goodman were excellent. It was humorous, even silly, but that was the point. In my opinion, just because a horror movie is humorous that not mean it is automatically bad or not worthy of inclusion on a best list (which when we get to the next decade we will disagree again on this because of my support of Grindhouse). Not all horror movies are scary and not all of them try to be. We disagree on the film itself and that is fine. As I stated, I really enjoy the film, but am skeptical, like you, that it deserves a place on this list.

I'm a little harder on horror movies that are comedic or silly which is why I wouldn't include it on this list. However I do like the movie, but I would never put it on any best of list. But hey were both entitled to our opinion.

neverending 08-14-2013 04:52 PM

I like Arachnaphobia, I just don't think it belongs in the top 22.

Nightbreed, however, is, according to Barker, his most personal film, and I think we can all agree that Barker is an important voice in modern horror. The fact thsat it was altered by the studio and most people have not seen the film that Barker wanted the world to see, is its main barrier to acceptance.

I fully expect that when The Cabal Cut is released next year it will be hailed as the amazing film it is. Then people are going to wish it was on the list.


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