Who are you voting for in November?

[Egekrusher]

Hey guys,

Seeing as the political debate forum was never created (ahem, Horror), I'm posting this here.

Who are you voting for this November and why? Let's try to keep this civilized. Full answers, not just "Because Kerry/Bush is stupid" would be nice.

Also, if you won't be voting or can't vote, let us know who you WOULD vote for if given the oppurtunity.

[fluffho]

Kerry

i definitely lean more towards liberal/demo. and come on, trying to get sam sex marriage outlawed in the constitution? nicca please

[george]

if i could vote, i would have to vote for ?????:confused: .......well someone else, bush doesnt occassionally say what he means and mean what he says. but as far as kerry goes, the whole purple heart thing...its getting old and also....i really dont trust they way he looks at "the people" so to speak. there's something in his eyes, that i simply dont trust. sure he says the right things at the right times, but i dont trust someone who has a bad look in his eyes. it might just be me, but im standing behind what i say.

fluf- you mentioned the outlawing of same sex marrage, i say if i dont see it then why should i care right??? my dad says that marrage is something sacred and should be held between a man and a woman, and where exactly will it end? soon people will be marrying chivkes or something. he kind of make sense, but i still dont see the problem as long as i dont see it.!?:confused:

[Ritualistic]

Originally posted by george
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fluf- you mentioned the outlawing of same sex marrage, i say if i dont see it then why should i care right??? my dad says that marrage is something sacred and should be held between a man and a woman, and where exactly will it end? soon people will be marrying chivkes or something. he kind of make sense, but i still dont see the problem as long as i dont see it.!?:confused: I think it is FUCKING absurd how people go from same sex marriage to people marrying other species or objects.. WTF???

BTW I will be voting for Paris Hilton LOL :-)

[mayoisthedevil]

Although i don't like either of the two (you know it's just between demos and repubs in election. independent is gaining ground but i don't believe they will win presidency anytime soon), i would probly vote for Kerry because Bush is too conservative for my liking. As fluff said, outlaw gay marriage? come on! But that's if i could vote :)

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by george
if i could vote, i would have to vote for ?????:confused: .......well someone else, bush doesnt occassionally say what he means and mean what he says. but as far as kerry goes, the whole purple heart thing...its getting old and also....i really dont trust they way he looks at "the people" so to speak. there's something in his eyes, that i simply dont trust. sure he says the right things at the right times, but i dont trust someone who has a bad look in his eyes. it might just be me, but im standing behind what i say.

fluf- you mentioned the outlawing of same sex marrage, i say if i dont see it then why should i care right??? my dad says that marrage is something sacred and should be held between a man and a woman, and where exactly will it end? soon people will be marrying chivkes or something. he kind of make sense, but i still dont see the problem as long as i dont see it.!?:confused:

What on earth is a chivke?

[MichaelMyers]

I have always been a third party/independent voter, but I feel so strongly that this administration is doing irreparable harm to my country that I will vote for Kerry. I was hoping for a different Democratic candidate, but honestly the more I know about Kerry the better I like him for president -- which probably means he'll lose.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
I have always been a third party/independent voter, but I feel so strongly that this administration is doing irreparable harm to my country that I will vote for Kerry. I was hoping for a different Democratic candidate, but honestly the more I know about Kerry the better I like him for president -- which probably means he'll lose.

If he loses, I'll bet my pants that Bush gets vetoed out or gets assassinated.

[jay o2 waster]

Kerry

[mayoisthedevil]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
If he loses, I'll bet my pants that Bush gets vetoed out or gets assassinated.

HAHAHAHA!! you are awesome :D

[bwind22]

I hate them both. In fact, I hate politicians in general. Anyone out there actively seeking power, does not deserve it. Period.

That being said, and keeping in mind that we are stuck in a 2 party system that seems to be a bit of a catch-22, I will be voting for Bush. Here's why...

John Kerry doesn't have any semblance of a plan. I watch the nightly news every day and I still haven't heard him touch on most of the major issues. What I have heard him say is that he plans to do some massive tax raising within a two months of being in office. (Not in those exact words, but that was what he was really saying.) That is not good. I don't want to give any more of my hard earned money to the government only to have them turn around and hand it out to lazy bastards on Welfare that don't feel like working so they pop out kids because it gets them bigger checks each month. (Don't get me wrong, Welfare, in itself, is not a bad program, but I don't think anyone is going to argue that it is already being abused.)

I am adamently against same sex 'marriage', reason being that the word 'marriage' is a Christian term. Where we went wrong here is that they started using it in society too and allowing it to be performed by judges. (Side note: A 'marriage' performed by a judge, is not a marriage in the eyes of Christianity. A priest, deacon or other religious cleric needs to say the ceremony for it to be a real marriage in the eyes of the church.) Keeping that in mind, I feel like they should have left 'marriage' as a religious term, but said that a 'married' couple or one that is in a 'civil union' (Gay or Straight. This is the term they should of used fromthe start for all non-religious weddings.) have equal rights in the eyes of the law. Presto! Everybody's happy.

People often forget that it wasn't only George Bush with faulty intelligence, it was the CIA, the military, even the UN. Bush gets blamed for 'taking us to war', yeah, well he can't do it alone. The Senate and Congress were right there with him. (Even Kerry voted for it.)

I am starting to feel like aI'm rambling already and I've only reached the tip of the iceberg so I'm gonna cut myself off right there. Let me summarize like this...

Bush may be dumb, but he's just a puppet anyways. I think it shows weakness if we change leadership right in the middle of 2 wars. (Iraq & Terror) I don't trust Kerry and he doesn't have a plan, other than raising our taxes.

Like I said, they both suck. We're fucked either way, but if we keep Bush, then at least we don't look like a nation of pussies.

[movieman64]

I'm voting for Bush. I feel that instead of sitting back and waiting for things to happen he has grabbed the reins and took control, this scares people. A lot of people don't want a leader who will make a preemptive strike against something, (terrorism) they want to wait until something irreparable happens and then try to fix it, (stoplight syndrome) we have already had that happen, and hopefully it will never happen again.

Maybe he's not the smartest guy in the world, but I don't want that guy, because he thinks he knows it all already. What's wrong with his family being rich. I'm sure any of us would think it was OK if we were.

I consider myself a Conservative on most issues, and Kerry is to liberal for me. I also don't like the whole deal with his wife, I'm voting for the candidate, not his wife. The last thing this country needs is another Hillary Clinton riding along on her husbands coattails....turns his head and whence's as he prepares for the blows...bring on the pain!

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by movieman64
I'm voting for Bush. I feel that instead of sitting back and waiting for things to happen he has grabbed the reins and took control, this scares people. A lot of people don't want a leader who will make a preemptive strike against something, (terrorism) they want to wait until something irreparable happens and then try to fix it, (stoplight syndrome) we have already had that happen, and hopefully it will never happen again.

Maybe he's not the smartest guy in the world, but I don't want that guy, because he thinks he knows it all already. What's wrong with his family being rich. I'm sure any of us would think it was OK if we were.

I consider myself a Conservative on most issues, and Kerry is to liberal for me. I also don't like the whole deal with his wife, I'm voting for the candidate, not his wife. The last thing this country needs is another Hillary Clinton riding along on her husbands coattails....turns his head and whence's as he prepares for the blows...bring on the pain!

It's not the fact that he has money that scares me. What scares me is that the majority of the funding for his company came from where else but the family of Osama. THAT is what scares the living HELL out of me.

[Oats]

personally i will be voting for Kerry, since i am a avid horror fan Kerry looking like Lurch/Frankenstein has swayed my vote and yes...my heart

[Arioch]

Anything but bush...

[HappyCamper]

I'm voting for Kerry, based on the fact, that unlike George Dubya he has actually served his country in combat. Although I am tired of hearing about his 3 purple hearts.

Also I believe that Bush is the WORST President in History. He has already put our country into more debt than any other President in our country's short history. He has LIED and LIED, and LIED to the American people. He has said that Saddam has ties with Al Qada, well guess what so does he!!

[bwind22]

Yeah he served his country for a couple months, did what he needed to do to get out (3 purple hearts, two of which were for self-inflicted wounds) and then he came home and burned flags for a couple years while protesting the war, not to mention writing a book about it (Which he has since tried to buy up every copy of.)

What a hero... :rolleyes:

[Oats]

John Kerry: "Iraq is bad"
John Kerry: "Leave Iraq alone"

John Kerry: "I like Coca Cola"
John Kerry: "I like Pepsi"

There you go people, Mr. Flip Flop

[Hate_Breeder]

Kerry if i could vote. I guess anything would be better than Bush

[Stingy Jack]

I'm voting for Kerry. When Bush was elected into office, my friend turned to me and said: "You know, this is the beginning of a long road to hell." And he was right.

As a teacher, Bush's decisions have affected my life personally. His "No Child Left Behind Act" has put more accountability on the teachers for a child's learning. If you spend one day in the classroom, you will know that a teacher will work his/her heart out to get these children to learn ... and they will sit and stare or mouth-off. They will refuse to do the work, never do the homework, and when the parents are called, the teacher gets chewed out by the parent for their child's performance (at least, the parent's who care somewhat about it will chew the teacher out. The other parents who don't care will hardly listen and hang up without saying a word.) Yet, if a child does not pass the state test (which anyone with an iota of knowledge on educational theory will tell you that high-stakes testing is NOTHING but bad), the teacher is called on the carpet and his or her job is in serious jeopardy.

The fact that Bush has put a ban on stem-cell research proves that he his letting his religious views affect his decisions. Because he thinks it is "immoral" according to his faith, Bush will not allow science to advance in an area that could be of GREAT benefit to humankind.

Banning same-sex marriage is equally ridiculous -- and to imply that officially recognizing the union of two people in love will open a Pandora's Box of sexual evils is ridiculous as well. Who's to say that allowing to men or two women to form a legal bond will allow people to begin marrying their sisters, cousins, pets, etc? I don't see it going that way, and you can't come to that conclusion logically. Not if you take into account the genetic dangers involved with inbreeding (dangers that do not exist between a gay couple). As for marriage being a Christian term --- it may have been at one time, but the usage has changed. It has not been a Christian term for a LONG time. It is a generic term used to describe a close union between two things (As in "a marriage of minds"). I mean, if you want to get picky, Christmas isn't REALLY a Christian holiday. It was usurped by the christians in an effort to convert more pagans (who were simply celebrating the coming of winter).

So, it seems to me that Bush has waged just as big a war on the American people as he has against terror. I can't think of ONE good thing that Bush has done for us here at home that is not related to his stupid war. Not one.

So, I'm voting for Kerry. Anything has to be better than Bush.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah he served his country for a couple months, did what he needed to do to get out (3 purple hearts, two of which were for self-inflicted wounds) and then he came home and burned flags for a couple years while protesting the war, not to mention writing a book about it (Which he has since tried to buy up every copy of.)

What a hero... :rolleyes:

You got something against protesting? Aren't you an American?

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
You got something against protesting? Aren't you an American?

Very American. Do I have anything against protesting? Nope. And to be quite honest, I wouldn't even care that he did it if it wasn't for the fact that he's trying to pawn himself off as a 'war hero'. What a fucking joke...

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Oats
John Kerry: "Iraq is bad"
John Kerry: "Leave Iraq alone"

John Kerry: "I like Coca Cola"
John Kerry: "I like Pepsi"

There you go people, Mr. Flip Flop

for the first part all that it says is that Kerry probably thinks that some of the things going on in Iraq is badJohn Kerry: "Iraq is bad" , but at the same time he didn't approve of the way that Bush handled it.John Kerry: "Leave Iraq alone"

and for the second part:
John Kerry: "I like Coca Cola"
John Kerry: "I like Pepsi"
Is it against the law to like Coke and Pepsi at the same time?

Now if Kerry said that he was 100% anti abbortion or something, and then turns around and has his wifes baby aborted or something, then you can call him Mr. Flip Flop

[Stingy Jack]

bwind22, are you still fooled by that video? Have you not been following the news on this thing? Here's my response to your "watch this video thread":

"I suppose anyone who has been following the news knows about the status of this video already knows this. But, I will state what has been brought to light anyway:

1. Nobody on this video was actually with Kerry during the rescue that won him the Purple Heart. They were on boats in the vicinity of Kerry's boat, but not even on Kerry's boat.

2. The only person who has any credibility about what he is saying is the doctor who said: "I nursed the wound that got Kerry the Purple Heart." He's the only one on the video that interacted with Kerry personally. But even this guy was not on the boat.

3. There is controversy as to whether or not the troops were actually under fire when Kerry pulled that guy out of the water. But the fact that another soldier won a Purple Heart for his efforts during the same conflict proves that they had to have been under fire at some time.

4. The guy that Kerry pulled out of the water vouches for his heroism, and stands by him.

5. The soldiers that were on the boat with Kerry at the time are standing by him.

6. This video was put together by veterans who are pissed off that Kerry protested the Vietnam War after he served his time. What the fuck is that all about? Kerry HAD to serve, and he did. When he had done his time, he practiced his freedom of speech and stood up for what he disagreed with! It's a fundamental American right, and the vets are pissed because they didn't like what he had to say. Kerry protested, and he had every right to do so. I can't stand it when people say I'm anti-American for speaking out against the decisions that America makes that I disagree with. In my eyes, speaking your mind is NOT anti-American, if we say that America = freedom. Making someone be quiet and stand up for whatever America decides to do IS anti-American.

Basically, the Republicans are worried that they're going to lose this vote (as they should be), and are using any underhanded tactics they can to smear Kerry. True, this video was not supported by the Bush campaign, but they sure did nothing to say that they do not endorse what it claims."

I also went on to say later that Bush served in the Air Force, but through the help of his father's political strings, he was never sent overseas. Kerry could have gotten the same help, but he did not. He actually went. And for some reason you support Bush more than Kerry on the Vietnam issue.

[donniedarko3]

Anyone But Bush...

and Nader. no Nader.

[bwind22]

I don't support either one of them on the 'Nam issue'. It shouldn't even be an 'issue'. I think it's fucking stupid that are spending so much damn time dwelling on what happened 30 some years ago. They both need to shut the fuck up about it and tell us their plans for the future.

I know Bush wasn't in Nam. I also know that John Kerry is not 1/10th of the hero he is trying to portray himself as. I think they both suck, but I'm still voting Bush and I've already posted my reasons.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bwind22
I don't support either one of them on the 'Nam issue'. It shouldn't even be an 'issue'. I think it's fucking stupid that are spending so much damn time dwelling on what happened 30 some years ago. They both need to shut the fuck up about it and tell us their plans for the future.

I know Bush wasn't in Nam. I also know that John Kerry is not 1/10th of the hero he is trying to portray himself as. I think they both suck, but I'm still voting Bush and I've already posted my reasons.

Well, I can't argue with you there. I agree that the war thing is tiring, and the fact that Kerry is playing it up is quite the turn-off. Shows he has no modesty.

But, I'm NOT voting for Bush ... and I've already posted my reasons.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Well, I can't argue with you there. I agree that the war thing is tiring, and the fact that Kerry is playing it up is quite the turn-off. Shows he has no modesty.

But, I'm NOT voting for Bush ... and I've already posted my reasons.



Looks like we must once again agree to disagree, my nemesis.

;)

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bwind22
Looks like we must once again agree to disagree, my nemesis.

;)

Did you read my reasons for not voting for Bush? I attack your claim that "marriage" is a Christian term. Ya bastit! :D

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Did you read my reasons for not voting for Bush? I attack your claim that "marriage" is a Christian term. Ya bastit! :D

Oh yeah. I forgot to touch on that one... I'm pretty sure (but not 100% because I'm relying on info found on the web.) that word originated from Christianity in the 1300s.

Feel free to do some research on your own to disprove that if you want. I couldn't find much on it. In any event, it was certainly a religious term until we went ahead and mixed church and state and also made it a legally binding contract.

Okay... Unless there's a rebuttal, then now we can agree to disagree...

lol

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bwind22
Oh yeah. I forgot to touch on that one... I'm pretty sure (but not 100% because I'm relying on info found on the web.) that word originated from Christianity in the 1300s.

Feel free to do some research on your own to disprove that if you want. I couldn't find much on it. In any event, it was certainly a religious term until we went ahead and mixed church and state and also made it a legally binding contract.

Okay... Unless there's a rebuttal, then now we can agree to disagree...

lol

You fag. You didn't even read my post! I said that it may have been a Christian term at one time ... but it has since changed it's meaning. But fine. We agree to disagree. ;)

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
You fag. You didn't even read my post! I said that it may have been a Christian term at one time ... but it has since changed it's meaning. But fine. We agree to disagree. ;)

I read it! I just thought I'd stress that not only was it used by Christians, but that's where it originated.













And I aint no fag, man!

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bwind22
I read it! I just thought I'd stress that not only was it used by Christians, but that's where it originated.













And I aint no fag, man!

Sorry. It was a playful insult. I will check my dictionary of English etymology and see if we can come to some sort of consensus.

[Oats]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
for the first part all that it says is that Kerry probably thinks that some of the things going on in Iraq is bad , but at the same time he didn't approve of the way that Bush handled it.

and for the second part:
Is it against the law to like Coke and Pepsi at the same time?

Now if Kerry said that he was 100% anti abbortion or something, and then turns around and has his wifes baby aborted or something, then you can call him

Kerry is Democrat, Bush is Republican, Kerry will do/say what his Democratic party tells him to do, just like every other puppet politician.
Kerry saying he likes coke then saying he likes pepsi was a joke, if its against the law to switch your favorite cola then he is not in violation for it was complete fabrication on my part (had to help you out on that one) i believe both candidates are not good

[Stingy Jack]

Well, I just checked it ... but neither "marriage" nor "marry" is in there. Of course, it is a "Concise Dictionary of English Etymology", so I can't bitch too much.

[Stingy Jack]

According to the online etymological dictionary, the terms "marriage" and "marry" come from the Old French: "mariage." This is derived from the french word for husband: "mari". But it says nothing of it being used originally by Christians.

[mayoisthedevil]

Hey fag!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage

mar·riage (P) Pronunciation Key (mrj) n.

The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
The state of being married; wedlock.
A common-law marriage.
A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
A wedding.
A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=marriage

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross>

What ever happened to separation between church and state?

<3,
Nerd

[Stingy Jack]

Who is that post directed at? (In other words: "You callin' me a fag?")

[massacre man]

tweek or cartman or timmy

[mayoisthedevil]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Who is that post directed at? (In other words: "You callin' me a fag?")

You're supposed to be a teacher god damnit!! JK. That was for bwind, just a play on the words you used and what he calls me (nerd).

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Who is that post directed at? (In other words: "You callin' me a fag?")


She was directing that one at me. Because I called her a nerd once. ;)

I know what the definition is. (I also noticed it defined it as a man and a woman.) I'm not surprised at all that you can find plenty of vague secular definitions, but what i saw said that first ever recorded usage of the word was in the 1300s in some religious document. I'll have to go look for it...

[meetthecreeper]

OK Ws performance during the vietnam war was anything but stellar, he served in the air national guard, big deal.

John Kerry tried and failed to get out of going to vietnam by way of claiming to be a student, he served 4 mos. and got a self inflicted wound or 2. big deal, 4 mos. doesnt make him a friggin war hero. Was the vietnam war wrong, I dunno, what I do know is that several vets had Kerrys little speech in 1971 thrown in their faces while they stayed at the Hanoi hilton. My personal belief why Kerry went to vietnam, because he knew it would benefit him politically later in the future. Sorry but I think he is just another elitist who does the old do as I say not as I do.

I dont want to get into a big discussion issue by issue, I do know that I wont be voting for Kerry. He is just another limo liberal.

I would like someone to just come forward and follow what is in the constitution for once, stay out of my bedroom, out of my wallet, out of my kids schools, out of my gun cabinet, out of my religion and etc etc.

I have pretty much given up on both of these political parties, its like voting for Krang or Kodos. Either way you have a rich guy or a super rich guy with his annoying super rich wife.

The rich control the government, the media, and the law.

[Stingy Jack]

The one I checked cited the usage in 1297.

[bwind22]

Hmm.. maybe I read the 13th century or something and just made a mental error. Anyways, I'm still trying to relocate it. I looked this up a few weeks ago while debating on a different thread.

[Ritualistic]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper




I have pretty much given up on both of these political parties, its like voting for Krang or Kodos. Either way you have a rich guy or a super rich guy with his annoying super rich wife.

The rich control the government, the media, and the law. I dont give a shit about eighter one of them, that is why I am voting for Paris LOL


Ahh Hang on ............

I change my vote to Myself.. Yeah that is right I am going to vote for myself.. A Horror loving, dont give a shit about anything dyke with a fuck YOU attitude ... :D

[yourlastmistake]

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[MichaelMyers]

Edit: Nevermind.

[massacre man]

Originally posted by Ritualistic
I dont give a shit about eighter one of them, that is why I am voting for Paris LOL


Ahh Hang on ............

I change my vote to Myself.. Yeah that is right I am going to vote for myself.. A Horror loving, dont give a shit about anything dyke with a fuck YOU attitude ... :D id vote for you

[yourlastmistake]

http://kerrycampaign

[bwind22]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
http://kerrydancer

Two guys I'm not voting for.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc12.jpg

[Lucid Dreams]

i hate bush, i hate kerry, paris hilton is a good actor(;) :D )...i say the other guy wins for once....or...i say we make a dog a president...i'm sure he could do damn well

[Sam The Egg]

I'm voting for Kodos
http://www.funky.org/simpsons/images/use7.jpg

[LilMissScareAll]

I don't vote. :o

[LilMissScareAll]

Originally posted by Lucid Dreams
i hate bush, i hate kerry, paris hilton is a good actor(;) :D )...i say the other guy wins for once....or...i say we make a dog a president...i'm sure he could do damn well

I think Koko the gorilla should be president. I would vote for her. :p She's a smart gorilla...and I'm sure she'd make a better president than Bush or Kerry or almost any human, actually. :p

[LilMissScareAll]

Originally posted by MONSTER DAD
No:o ! It is your right to not vote. Be proud of that.


Hows the school thing going? BTW.

It's going alright...they're having an audition tomorrow and I think I'm gonna go, although it's pointless...if you make it, you have to give them $4,000 to go to Hollywood for a week in January. :eek: I don't have that kind of money, and I'm planning on going to Hollywood myself sometime next year...I'm sure it'll be much cheaper that way. But I may try out just to see if I can pass, and to say I've been to another audition. :p
How have you been?

[LilMissScareAll]

That's good... and thanks :)

[movieman64]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I'm voting for Kerry. When Bush was elected into office, my friend turned to me and said: "You know, this is the beginning of a long road to hell." And he was right.

As a teacher, Bush's decisions have affected my life personally. His "No Child Left Behind Act" has put more accountability on the teachers for a child's learning. If you spend one day in the classroom, you will know that a teacher will work his/her heart out to get these children to learn ... and they will sit and stare or mouth-off. They will refuse to do the work, never do the homework, and when the parents are called, the teacher gets chewed out by the parent for their child's performance (at least, the parent's who care somewhat about it will chew the teacher out. The other parents who don't care will hardly listen and hang up without saying a word.) Yet, if a child does not pass the state test (which anyone with an iota of knowledge on educational theory will tell you that high-stakes testing is NOTHING but bad), the teacher is called on the carpet and his or her job is in serious jeopardy.

The fact that Bush has put a ban on stem-cell research proves that he his letting his religious views affect his decisions. Because he thinks it is "immoral" according to his faith, Bush will not allow science to advance in an area that could be of GREAT benefit to humankind.

Banning same-sex marriage is equally ridiculous -- and to imply that officially recognizing the union of two people in love will open a Pandora's Box of sexual evils is ridiculous as well. Who's to say that allowing to men or two women to form a legal bond will allow people to begin marrying their sisters, cousins, pets, etc? I don't see it going that way, and you can't come to that conclusion logically. Not if you take into account the genetic dangers involved with inbreeding (dangers that do not exist between a gay couple). As for marriage being a Christian term --- it may have been at one time, but the usage has changed. It has not been a Christian term for a LONG time. It is a generic term used to describe a close union between two things (As in "a marriage of minds"). I mean, if you want to get picky, Christmas isn't REALLY a Christian holiday. It was usurped by the christians in an effort to convert more pagans (who were simply celebrating the coming of winter).

So, it seems to me that Bush has waged just as big a war on the American people as he has against terror. I can't think of ONE good thing that Bush has done for us here at home that is not related to his stupid war. Not one.

So, I'm voting for Kerry. Anything has to be better than Bush.


Your a teacher, and whether it choose you, or you choose it, it is your profession. To blame Bush for the inadequacies of children/students, parents, or the Administrators is ludicrous. The old adage a few bad apples spoil the bunch applies here. The education system in this country is pathetic, a lot, and I mean a lot of teachers were not doing their job(s), they had plenty of opportunities to do so, but for what ever reason they didn't. Bush did nothing more then force the schools to deal with the problem. This is no great panacea, and won't fix the problem entirely but it was a step in the right direction, the vast majority of my tax dollars, (over 80%) go to the schools, and I would like to see it used effectively. I have a lot of respect for most teachers. I have 3 children and work closely with all of their teachers and the schools principals. It takes time and effort on the part of everyone to help these kids succeed. What is the alternative to this plan? How does Kerry propose to address this problem?

As far a the War issue. Like they say "War is Hell". Does enlisting in the armed forces make you more of an American, then those who don't/didn't? Those who do, my hats off to you. Just because someone chose not to enlist though doesn't make him/her a coward or a subversive. How many students chose college to avoid the draft in the 60's and 70's? It's in most people's characters to take advantage of a situation when it presents itself, so he got out of service with the military because of his family's influence, big deal. It's like complaining about the cop who passes you in his car at 75-80 mph, with the wife and family in tow. You bitch about it, but if it were you in that situation most would take advantage of the situation.

Before my fingers go numb, (many might say my brain already has...lol) would a leader who did not allow their religious beliefs, or lack there of, effect their decisions, therefore, still exercising some degree of bias. Especially when a majority of those in this country harbor some degree of religious belief.

Stingy I value your opinion, hopefully as much as you value mine.

[yourlastmistake]

http://Osamaschoice

[yourlastmistake]

.................................:mad:

[yourlastmistake]

Why cant I post any of my anti-kerry pictures........... I really hate that bastard.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
Why cant I post any of my anti-kerry pictures........... I really hate that bastard. Either your image hosting site is down, or the server doesn't connect here well...Have you posted pix from that particular image hosting site before?

Anyway...You can always just go to the bottom of a post when you are making a reply, hit 'Browse' and upload the pix directly from your computer

And...I can't stand Kerry either...But, you already knew that;)

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Either your image hosting site is down, or the server doesn't connect here well...Have you posted pix from that particular image hosting site before?

Anyway...You can always just go to the bottom of a post when you are making a reply, hit 'Browse' and upload the pix directly from your computer

And...I can't stand Kerry either...But, you already knew that;)

Hey! How'd Friday night Bingo go?

[Arioch]

As far a the War issue. Like they say "War is Hell". Does enlisting in the armed forces make you more of an American, then those who don't/didn't? Those who do, my hats off to you. Just because someone chose not to enlist though doesn't make him/her a coward or a subversive. How many students chose college to avoid the draft in the 60's and 70's? It's in most people's characters to take advantage of a situation when it presents itself, so he got out of service with the military because of his family's influence, big deal. It's like complaining about the cop who passes you in his car at 75-80 mph, with the wife and family in tow. You bitch about it, but if it were you in that situation most would take advantage of the situation

This could also been said about his COKE problem (yes another tired subject), and if THAT advantagous situation presented itself to me and would i do the same thing.....personally, i think it's beside the issues....



Before my fingers go numb, (many might say my brain already has...lol) would a leader who did not allow their religious beliefs, or lack there of, effect their decisions, therefore, still exercising some degree of bias. Especially when a majority of those in this country harbor some degree of religious belief.

Yes but it seems his religion is comming into play on a NUMBER of issues the American public is devided on....and to say the least, his religion is very seldomly undecided:rolleyes: ....



So, it seems to me that Bush has waged just as big a war on the American people as he has against terror. I can't think of ONE good thing that Bush has done for us here at home that is not related to his stupid war. Not one.

I would agree with this....and im seeing a growing number of REPUBLICANS that would as well....the dishonesty about the war, the continuing of it, the numerous issues his religion his deciding for us......

Im not saying Kerry is the answer, personally, i dont like the man AT ALL, but im gonna vote for him, because the potential damage for a second term of bush's is considerably frightening to me.....and not in a good horror-movie kind of way....

[meetthecreeper]

Im not saying Kerry is the answer, personally, i dont like the man AT ALL, but im gonna vote for him, because the potential damage for a second term of bush's is considerably frightening to me.....and not in a good horror-movie kind of way.... [/B][/QUOTE]

Arioch,

Have you ever thought of voting third party? If I had to choose between only the 2 my vote goes republican no matter what, but there are other choices.

I have conservative views on most issues, liberal on some, and being a conservative doesnt make you a republican. What bothers me most about the republican party is that the right wing religious zealots have taken over and become the base of the party. The problem with the democrats is the left wing socialists have taken over that party. They are both shells of their former selves.

If more people like us finally took a stand and said enough of this 2 party BS and hand enough votes to a third party maybe things would change but as it stands right now I dont see much changing at all.

[Sistinas]

Im voting for George Carlin.

[massacre man]

im voting chris rock

[Sistinas]

Originally posted by massacre man
im voting chris rock



How about George Carlin for pres and Dave Chappelle for VP?

[Lucid Dreams]

they're in the game together this time

[KRUGERKID13]

god bless bush

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
Hey! How'd Friday night Bingo go? Ummm...Let's just say...You can't trick Karma...and leave it at that...k? ;) :)

[massacre man]

ill make sure im vice president *pulls out ax* remember i took out the whole army

and vampenguin and my far superior family well my siblings

[Arioch]

Ya i agree 100% Creeper....its a damn shame we can't get more third party support....these two canidates are just sad....i don't think the two parties are even TRYING anymore.....

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Arioch
Ya i agree 100% Creeper....its a damn shame we can't get more third party support....these two canidates are just sad....i don't think the two parties are even TRYING anymore.....


I wouldn't be surprised at all if the top guys from both parties are all buddies. They figure if they can keep it a 2 party system, then they're always gonna be the ones in control.

Unfortunately, it could be true and we'll never know. Instead, we'll be forced to select from 2 shitty inadequate candidates every four years until one of them gets us all killed.

I think the ideal situation would be to have 5 or 6 different candidates that all have a very real shot of winning. Wouldn't it be nice to have some selection?

[HappyCamper]

I think someone should just assassinate both of em, so we'd have to vote for someone else.

[Ritualistic]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
I think someone should just assassinate both of em, so we'd have to vote for someone else. Amen brother LOL

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by bwind22
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the top guys from both parties are all buddies. They figure if they can keep it a 2 party system, then they're always gonna be the ones in control.

Unfortunately, it could be true and we'll never know. Instead, we'll be forced to select from 2 shitty inadequate candidates every four years until one of them gets us all killed.

I think the ideal situation would be to have 5 or 6 different candidates that all have a very real shot of winning. Wouldn't it be nice to have some selection?

It would be great to have more than the what we have but then you would run into a situation whereas a politcal party could win with less than 25 percent of the vote, which isnt really a good thing either.

[Angelakillsluts]

Paris Hilton is creeping up on Bush. LOL! :p

I'd vote for Kerry because he's not Bush.

[thepsychicfetus]

i would love to see paris hilton win for some reason. theres just something about a woman in a powerful position that can do anyone-i mean anything-she wants. hmmm, i guess shes just hot.

[Arioch]

I think the ideal situation would be to have 5 or 6 different candidates that all have a very real shot of winning. Wouldn't it be nice to have some selection

For real....

[fluffho]

and then of course the nation woudl be split up 6 ways than just 2 (ok. 3). either that or it wuold be even harder to pick

then after a while 6 wont be enough...

hey. not saying its not a good idea. but u gotta look at it from al angles. there is no real answer

[bwind22]

6 would be still be better than 2. Sure people would be split 6 ways, but at least they'd be split towards someone they can agree with on all issues/relate to. Right now, you get 2 choices. And in recent years, both have been shitty every election. So who do you lean to? The one that you feel is the least shitty. Well, that sucks. I don't want to vote anyone into the most powerful position in the world if I have even the slightest feeling that they are in any way shitty.

[fluffho]

ive said it once and ill say it again

with every solution is 10 more problems created

aint that easy. better to work with what u got (especially when it isnt even that bad to begin with) than to whine all the time

[kpropain]

All I gotta say is fuck John Kerry....

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
aint that easy. better to work with what u got (especially when it isnt even that bad to begin with) than to whine all the time


Fuck that! How much say does the average joe have in who is running for office? Very little. Who are elected officials supposed to be representing? The average joe. :rolleyes:

So why don't we (the average joe and janes of the country) have any say in who runs for office? That's weak. I can gurantee you that there are people out there who would be waaay better than either one of these two clowns.

:mad:

[fluffho]

according to who.... you?

just like i said earlier. with every solutoin are 10 problems. if things were changed to mkae YOU happy then that would make all the other people who are happy now, unhappy. its a never ending cycle. so like i said, work with what ya have. bitch and complain if you want, but fact is SOMEONE is going to be bitching and complaining no matter WHAT the situation.....

[bwind22]

Of course they are. We know that you can't please everyone.

But if you're rational, there are ways of compromising so that people are mostly happy.


When's the last time you or your parents or anyone you know had any actual input into who our two choices for President are?

Probably never.

So who are the ones making the choices of who runs? The ones that are already in power. Would they ever willingly let a new contender come in and try to get some of that power? No way. They'd do everything in their power to stop that from happening.

So how can that change?

You are saying you don't think it can because it would cause different problems. By saying that you are indirectly saying you have resigned yourself to being a complacent person. You are happy with what you are provided and don't want anything better. You go with the flow. You're one of the herd. Congratualtions, you are doing exactly what the parties that have the power want you to do.

That's not for me though.

P.S. Intellectual discussion regarding politics is not whining. It's conversation and sometimes debate.

[fluffho]

do we have time to do everything? city electoins are coming up, for an average joe to get in on the action. im gonna be a cop, as much as id like to get more of a hold on politics, i cant. and if i really wanted to, thats what id do, is run.

are any of you running to be part of the board? not governor, not even senator, but even of any of the several committees eg the ones that check for squandering perhaps?

sure, my parents dont have a say in who to vote for other than to just chose between a or b, but do they necessarily care? yes it is whining. because YOU are whining yet you do nothing. what good is it to whine on an internet forum? are yuo helping anything? its very easy to whine about how we dont hav any candidates, its another to get out there and do something

me. i dont care. whether or not we went to war, either 1 group or a tnoehr group would be pissed. thats politics. which is why i choose not to get involved. which is why i dont COMPLAIN...

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
You go with the flow. You're one of the herd. Congratualtions, you are doing exactly what the parties that have the power want you to do.

and what is it with this board and these type of assumptions? always telling me just beacuse i wear plain clothes im a sheep all of a sudden?

well how about if i say all you that wear hot topic are just hot topic sheep? they all come from the same sweatshop ya know

i go with the flow. sure. why? becuase i have other things that im busy worrying about. my focus isnt on complaining about something that im not gonna step up and make a difference about.

at some point, werent bush, clinton, kerry, gephardt... all part of the 'herd' at some point? werent they all nobodies? the difference being between them and the rest of their classmates is for hwtaever reason they decided to do MOre than that.

is there anything wrong with that? no. is there anything wrong with the others that followed the 'herd'? no. we dont all have TIME to be different. if we all went against the herd, then wouldnt we be creating our own herd that were follwing?

honestly. relating to Jay's thread.. if theres ANYTHING i hate bout HDC, its all this 'oh your a sheep' 'oh your not an individual' 'your just like everyone else' crap........ do i sit here and follow some handbook to 'fit in' and be 'normal'? no. i do what i want, i look the way i do becuase its easy and i dont givadamn about how i look. same goes with politics. if i was passionate about it then yes id complain, meaning id do like with what Kery did and speak out about the war. how many people out there can say they spoken in front of the US supreme court?

im feeling stingyesque tonight.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
do we have time to do everything? city electoins are coming up, for an average joe to get in on the action. im gonna be a cop, as much as id like to get more of a hold on politics, i cant. and if i really wanted to, thats what id do, is run.

are any of you running to be part of the board? not governor, not even senator, but even of any of the several committees eg the ones that check for squandering perhaps?

sure, my parents dont have a say in who to vote for other than to just chose between a or b, but do they necessarily care? yes it is whining. because YOU are whining yet you do nothing. what good is it to whine on an internet forum? are yuo helping anything? its very easy to whine about how we dont hav any candidates, its another to get out there and do something

me. i dont care. whether or not we went to war, either 1 group or a tnoehr group would be pissed. thats politics. which is why i choose not to get involved. which is why i dont COMPLAIN...


First of all, your entire post is a complaint so come on down off your high horse. This is a thread about politics, I was under the impression I could post my political opinions here. Maybe that's not the case...

Secondly, how would you know whether or not I'm involved in politics? You wouldn't. I'm only 24 so, no, I haven't held any political office as of yet. Does that mean that I don't intend to or that I'm not inolved in politics? No. I actually do plan on running for city office in the next decade (Once I own a house and have a city to call my own and represent.) I have always taken an active role in taking care of things I want to get done. I was class president in 8th grade, student council 9th, 10th, and 11th grade and class vice president in 12 grade. While I was in college, I was actively volunteering my time to help other students register to vote.

I can gurantee you I plan to do a hell of a lot more for what I believe in that just sit there and pick from 'a' or 'b'.

Who says cops can't hold public office? Be the commissioner or the chief of police. Stand up for yourself. Raise your voice. Don't be content to be a number in the system.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
and what is it with this board and these type of assumptions? always telling me just beacuse i wear plain clothes im a sheep all of a sudden?

well how about if i say all you that wear hot topic are just hot topic sheep? they all come from the same sweatshop ya know

i go with the flow. sure. why? becuase i have other things that im busy worrying about. my focus isnt on complaining about something that im not gonna step up and make a difference about.

at some point, werent bush, clinton, kerry, gephardt... all part of the 'herd' at some point? werent they all nobodies? the difference being between them and the rest of their classmates is for hwtaever reason they decided to do MOre than that.

is there anything wrong with that? no. is there anything wrong with the others that followed the 'herd'? no. we dont all have TIME to be different. if we all went against the herd, then wouldnt we be creating our own herd that were follwing?

honestly. relating to Jay's thread.. if theres ANYTHING i hate bout HDC, its all this 'oh your a sheep' 'oh your not an individual' 'your just like everyone else' crap........ do i sit here and follow some handbook to 'fit in' and be 'normal'? no. i do what i want, i look the way i do becuase its easy and i dont givadamn about how i look. same goes with politics. if i was passionate about it then yes id complain, meaning id do like with what Kery did and speak out about the war. how many people out there can say they spoken in front of the US supreme court?

im feeling stingyesque tonight.

How many people can say their anti-war Supreme Court testimony was played to American POWs while still in captivity?

How many people can say they are recognized as a hero to the communists?



I'm not calling you a sheep, but if you admittedly see a problem with the system, yet remain complacent in doing nothing about it, that would make you one.

And yes, people who buy their clothes at Hot Topic are sheep too.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
First of all, your entire post is a complaint so come on down off your high horse. This is a thread about politics, I was under the impression I could post my political opinions here. Maybe that's not the case...

Secondly, how would you know whether or not I'm involved in politics? You wouldn't. I'm only 24 so, no, I haven't held any political office as of yet. Does that mean that I don't intend to or that I'm not inolved in politics? No. I actually do plan on running for city office in the next decade (Once I own a house and have a city to call my own and represent.) I have always taken an active role in taking care of things I want to get done. I was class president in 8th grade, student council 9th, 10th, and 11th grade and class vice president in 12 grade. While I was in college, I was actively volunteering my time to help other students register to vote.

I can gurantee you I plan to do a hell of a lot more for what I believe in that just sit there and pick from 'a' or 'b'.

Who says cops can't hold public office? Be the commissioner or the chief of police. Stand up for yourself. Raise your voice. Don't be content to be a number in the system.

of course you can post ur opinion, which is what i put to. i never disputed that. when did i ever tell you to shut up? and im complaining. of course im complaining. here are you telling me im wrong for thinking that this are going ok. jjust like i said, while one group is happy, theres gonna be one thats pissed. a never ending cycle

and of course cops can hold councel. but does that i mean i have to? no. i want to be a cop. thats it. most cops dont even want to promote further past detective because the higher up you go means more desk work. thats exactly what politics is, shaking hands and deskwork. me, i want to go out and kick ass. whats wrong with that?

maybe you are involved with politics. good. so whats wrong with me NOT being involved? so now im one of the sheep? and lets say you DO become involved. so now im gonna be one of your sheep? but thats ok right?

i too take things into my own hands, and wont ever stand down to a fight. doesnt mean i want to run for president. what do you think cops do?

look, i stated my opinoin, you stated yours. just like in my previous reply, if thers ANYTHING that pisses me off about tihs site, its all this 'normal' 'sheep' 'going with the flow 'BS. i know there are some people out there that really DO want to stick with whats on MTV, on all the magazines, whats 'in.' but why is it that here everyone jumps on that all of a sudden? i coudl say the same thing about you, i could say id ont nkow 'always complaining, wanting to start a fight, wanting to be different' etc. but i dont.

we are ALLL sheep, just different types.... and no 1 type is necessarily better or worse than another..

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
I'm not calling you a sheep, but if you admittedly see a problem with the system, yet remain complacent in doing nothing about it, that would make you one.

of COURSE i see a problem. but like i said earlier, one solved is another created. there is ALWAYS going to be a problem.

just like with the rest of your post (that i deleted and am too lazy to get back)... group a and group b. theres gona be those that view kerry as a hero, and those (like urself) who think hes a nutjob. so what? are you gonna go kill yourself if hes elected? am i going to kill myself if george is? is the country going to HOnestly go to the shitter with either of these 2? people said it was going to go to shit with cilnton, siad it was going to wit bush. JUST LIKE there were those that said it would be GREAT with clinton, and GREAT with bush..

THAT is what im complacent abuot. is i realize that theres alwyas going to be the 2 sides. so what? im gonna cry and complain every time i dont get my way? ill let whoever the idiots who are running here in SD worry about that. politicians can stick with politics, ill do my cop thing... etc etc.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
of course you can post ur opinion, which is what i put to. i never disputed that. when did i ever tell you to shut up? and im complaining. of course im complaining. here are you telling me im wrong for thinking that this are going ok. jjust like i said, while one group is happy, theres gonna be one thats pissed. a never ending cycle

I never said you told me to 'shut up'. I never said you were wrong either.

and of course cops can hold councel. but does that i mean i have to? no. i want to be a cop. thats it. most cops dont even want to promote further past detective because the higher up you go means more desk work. thats exactly what politics is, shaking hands and deskwork. me, i want to go out and kick ass. whats wrong with that?

No, you don't have to. I think a police officer is a very noble profession. Along with firemen, I feel like they should be payed much more than they are. (I think the salaries of professional athletes and legitimate heros {firemen, paramedics, cops, doctors} should be switched around.)

maybe you are involved with politics. good. so whats wrong with me NOT being involved? so now im one of the sheep? and lets say you DO become involved. so now im gonna be one of your sheep? but thats ok right?

Nothing is wrong with it, but it's just not for me. I don't want sheep, I want individuals with their own opinions which I would listen to and value.

i too take things into my own hands, and wont ever stand down to a fight. doesnt mean i want to run for president. what do you think cops do?

Huh? Cops protect and serve their community.

look, i stated my opinoin, you stated yours. just like in my previous reply, if thers ANYTHING that pisses me off about tihs site, its all this 'normal' 'sheep' 'going with the flow 'BS. i know there are some people out there that really DO want to stick with whats on MTV, on all the magazines, whats 'in.' but why is it that here everyone jumps on that all of a sudden? i coudl say the same thing about you, i could say id ont nkow 'always complaining, wanting to start a fight, wanting to be different' etc. but i dont.

I'm glad that you can make up your own mind on things, that's great to hear. What other thread were you called a 'sheep' in and by whom? You could say whatever you want about me. I don't even know you so it won't bother me, just like what I say shouldn't bother you. But just for shits and giggles, let's go down the list one by one... Whining... Since you seem to call debating 'whining', then yeah, I guess you could use that one. Fighting... Nope. that one's no good. I haven't started one fight on here ever. I've discussed, I've debated, I've conversed, but it's always in a collected and rational fashion. If you can point out one fight I've started in my 1900+ posts, I would love to see it. Wanting to be different... It's not that I want to be different, it's just that I am. I would actually love to be able to have MTV tell what music to listen to and have a Gap or Old Navy commercial tell me what kind of clothes I should wear. It sure would make life a lot simpler if all of my decisions were made by conglomerate corporations.

we are ALLL sheep, just different types.... and no 1 type is necessarily better or worse than another..

I never said I was better than anyone. I think we're all equal all the way across the board, that's why I would like to see the common man's voice being heard a little more.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
I don't want sheep

YOU DID IT AGAIN!! AHHHHHHHh!!!!!

were all sheep, and at the same time were all individuals! DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!! (family guy is on so i had to put that)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
YOU DID IT AGAIN!! AHHHHHHHh!!!!!

were all sheep, and at the same time were all individuals! DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!! (family guy is on so i had to put that)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I disagree. We are only sheep if we allow ourselves to become sheep.

And like I said, I don't want sheep, I want individuals.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
I disagree. We are only sheep if we allow ourselves to become sheep.

And like I said, I don't want sheep, I want individuals.

depends on how u look at it. just like how things would be boring if we were all the same, thing would be boring if we were ALL different.

[fluffho]

more importantly... whos to decide our individuality? others perception on us, or our own perception of ourselves?

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
depends on how u look at it. just like how things would be boring if we were all the same, thing would be boring if we were ALL different.

You're right. It all depends on how you are looking at it.




Hey! Look at that! We agreed on something!

I'm gonna end it on that good note because I gotta get going to bed.

Good discussion fluff.


(P.S. You know you'd be one of my sheep now that you heard what I'd do for cops wages. ;) Just kidding. )

Goodnite

[fluffho]

Toodles. Ciao. Auf WIederlesen. BaAaaaAAA

fuck wages. my parents arent even college graduates (not even AAs) yet we still pull in over 100k a year without any help.

but maybe id be ur sheep if u were really hot and doable.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
Toodles. Ciao. Auf WIederlesen. BaAaaaAAA

fuck wages. my parents arent even college graduates (not even AAs) yet we still pull in over 100k a year without any help.

but maybe id be ur sheep if u were really hot and doable.

Fuck wages? Okay, you have definately seperated yourself form the American herd with that statement right there. But, I'd still give you a raise because rescue personnel doesn't get paid nearly enough for what they do.

I'm super hot. (If you like skinny, pale, white guys that spend too much time on their computer when they should be sleeping.) But I'm not so doable. You see, I'm engaged and once the knot is tied, I'm off the market. I value not only the word 'marriage', but the meaning of it, too. :D

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
Fuck wages? Okay, you have definately seperated yourself form the American herd with that statement right there. But, I'd still give you a raise because rescue personnel doesn't get paid nearly enough for what they do.

I'm super hot. (If you like skinny, pale, white guys that spend too much time on their computer when they should be sleeping.) But I'm not so doable. You see, I'm engaged and once the knot is tied, I'm off the market. I value not only the word 'marriage', but the meaning of it, too. :D

honestly, money isnt that much to me. cops cap at about $75000, which is very good i think. not looking to have a mansion (just my lexus, which is what im getting as a BA present). anyway, this is gonna sound crazy, but so long as i can live and support my family, i dont need all this xtra crap. my hope is that majority of people do their job becuase they sincreely want to, not just for the pay out (hahaha... yeh right)

I value not only the word 'marriage', but the meaning of it, too. :D

so NOW whos the sheep................... :p jk. im planning on being good from now on..

i did have my skinny pale white boy phase but im half out of that. not really into skinny anymore. so i guess that makes you lukewarm. :D jk.

now go to bed slim shady.

[bwind22]

OMG I just noticed your avatar! lol

Did you just add that tonight or was that from one of your previous sheep labelings?

I had an asian girl phase in college that has since passed. Now I'm on to the busty blondes. :D

[shortstay]

seen as this is a place for horror and being scared and also you guys are voting for anyone now i would vote for our very own maggie thatcher to be you're next president.
you think you've got it bad now?, just wait till maggie gets in the oval office........its the stuff nightmares are made of aint it?

[Stingy Jack]

Fluffho said this:


Originally posted by fluffho
which is why i dont COMPLAIN...

Then Fluffo said this:

Originally posted by fluffho and im complaining. of course im complaining

Then she said something about being "stingyesque" which is really cool.

I want to respond here, but I have to get to work (the students await ... grrrrr). Maybe I can hop in during 5th period.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Fluffho said this:




Then Fluffo said this:



Then she said something about being "stingyesque" which is really cool.

I want to respond here, but I have to get to work (the students await ... grrrrr). Maybe I can hop in during 5th period.

Something was telling me that we'd be hearing form you on this one. :) :) School started already? I thought it was usually not until after Labor Day. Oh well, glad I don't really have to know/care about that any more.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Fluffho said this:




Then Fluffo said this:



Then she said something about being "stingyesque" which is really cool.

I want to respond here, but I have to get to work (the students await ... grrrrr). Maybe I can hop in during 5th period.
hey.. u have to check the context

the first one was referring to me not complaining about the government situation

the 2nd was referring to all this 'sheep' talk that ive seen wayy too much of since i first joined

so get it straight!

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by fluffho
hey.. u have to check the context

the first one was referring to me not complaining about the government situation

the 2nd was referring to all this 'sheep' talk that ive seen wayy too much of since i first joined

so get it straight!

Yeah, I've noticed that Christians like to call people "sheep" ... odd, seeing as their god calls himself their shepherd .... very odd.

Yeah, school started about 3 weeks ago for me. I'm on the 4th week now. At least I'm getting it knocked out. This is why I haven't been on so much lately. And I can't stay online now because I have to get to open house and meet the parents.

[movieman64]

Originally posted by fluffho
THAT is what im complacent abuot. is i realize that theres alwyas going to be the 2 sides. so what? im gonna cry and complain every time i dont get my way? ill let whoever the idiots who are running here in SD worry about that. politicians can stick with politics, ill do my cop thing... etc etc.



I don't mean to get in the middle of your debate with bwind22, however, here goes. If voter turnout, (participation) were not so pathetic, seemingly more then a 2 party system would be possible, but not necessarily needed. As it is now, individuals, (there's that word) are making a stance, or statement by voting outside of the Democrats or GOP, and typically pull votes away from the Democratic candidate. At one time the 2 major parties had voters or candidates who ranged from far left or right, to moderates, and fence riders, or crossovers. whereby giving our primary system, (in theory) the opportunity for voters to choose the candidate who best shares their political or personal views on the issues, which greatly reduces, (not eliminate) the need for an independent candidate(s). This by no means or implies that independent candidates or voters are restrictively labeled Liberals and/or Conservatives. The 2 major parties have less and less voters who are afforded this opportunity, thereby making a 2 party system so unattractive to a lot of them.

As I said in an earlier post, I'm voting for Bush. For me Kerry goes back and forth on so many of the issues, and many, say if not all. At least Bush tends to stay with his original plan, like it or not. A firm and consistent hand is needed to effectively carry out our nations issues. No two people are going to do all things the same way, or share the same opinion on how best to accomplish these things. We know what to expect from Bush, All we know about Kerry, is that he originally voted for many of Bush's ideas, and now votes against them, IMHO, Kerry needs to make up his mind.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by movieman64
Kerry goes back and forth on so many of the issues, and many, say if not all. At least Bush tends to stay with his original plan, like it or not. A firm and consistent hand is needed to effectively carry out our nations issues. No two people are going to do all things the same way, or share the same opinion on how best to accomplish these things. We know what to expect from Bush, All we know about Kerry, is that he originally voted for many of Bush's ideas, and now votes against them, IMHO, Kerry needs to make up his mind. Don't worry, right now he's back to "for it" again...Did you hear Guilliani's speech last night?...He figures that Kerry has just about enough time to change back and forth at least 5 or 6 more times before the election...Rudy's keeping score...

Kerry's stance on the war:

Beginning-For
Middle (when it was looking bad)-Against
Now (For the moment, and at least in the pro-war dominated districts)-For

We'll see what his position is the day before the election...I suppose that will depend on whatever the majority of the people that he is hanging around with, at that time, prefers him to be :rolleyes:

[MichaelMyers]

What is it about the RNC? All this teary-eyed patriotic schmaltz. The bit with the widows was beyond sappy.

I thought McCain was fairly tepid in his endorsement of his new-found friend George. His best line, his most rousing moment, was the remark about Moore, which indeed was well delivered. But all he could say about Bush was standard boilerplate; he could only bring himself to say that he "commended" Bush's candidacy to the American people, this after mentioning several times how he has many friends who are Democrats, etc.

I confess I gave Guiliani a miss. I tried to listen, but it went on and on.

I missed the Democratic convention because I was out of the country, but if it was as bad as this one, then I'd say the networks are right in reducing their coverage. Political conventions used to have some drama. These things are manipulative marketing glitz.

[movieman64]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Don't worry, right now he's back to "for it" again...Did you hear Guilliani's speech last night?...He figures that Kerry has just about enough time to change back and forth at least 5 or 6 more times before the election...Rudy's keeping score...

Kerry's stance on the war:

Beginning-For
Middle (when it was looking bad)-Against
Now (For the moment, and at least in the pro-war dominated districts)-For

We'll see what his position is the day before the election...I suppose that will depend on whatever the majority of the people that he is hanging around with, at that time, prefers him to be :rolleyes:



I saw both Guilliani's and McCain's speechs last night. I wish the latter hadn't given Michael Moore so much free publicity, I also loved Ron Silverman's. Did you see Kerry's daughters on the MTV awards the other night? Seemed like a lot of booing going on from a supposed democratic target group. Alice Cooper also came out about "rockers" campaining for Kerry.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/august/0826_alice_cooper.shtml

[Je Suis Phnomne]

1) John Kerry represents corporations and the rich, not the working majority.
Like Bill Clinton, Kerry may claim to feel your pain, but he's not the typical American. A multimillionaire and former member of Skull and Bones - the elite Yale secret society whose membership included George Bush I and II - Kerry is the richest U.S. Senator, quite a mean feat considering the Senate is essentially a millionaires' club. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Kerry has received more money from corporations and their lobbyists than any other Senator. Guess whose interests he'll stand up for once he's elected?

2) John Kerry fully supports Bush's brutal war in Iraq.
Kerry voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which so far has claimed the lives of 865 U.S. soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis. If elected, Kerry has pledged to send more troops to their deaths to protect U.S. oil interests. He backed the war in Afghanistan and endorsed Israel's assassinations of Palestinian militants and their families.

3) John Kerry supports other American imperial projects, too.
Rand Beers, a top Kerry advisor and former member of the Bush Sr., Jr., and Clinton National Security Councils, helped craft Plan Colombia, the brutal taxpayer-funded war on Andean peasants to prop up a regime friendly to U.S. oil interests. Kerry voted for and continues to support this criminal policy. He goes out of his way to criticize Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's democratically elected populist president, openly siding with the wealthy opposition movement that staged a failed coup d'état with U.S. help in 2002.

4) John Kerry will further curtail our civil liberties.
Kerry gave his support and vote for Bush's Patriot Act. But this was not just the product of post-9/11 Democratic spinelessness. Kerry also supported Clinton's Patriot Act prequels, the 1994 Crime Bill and the 1996 Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act.

5) John Kerry is a Drug War enthusiast.
With votes and rhetoric, the Senator has helped pack the prisons with over 2 million people, providing America the dubious honor of having the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world. With promises to realize the 1994 Crime Bill's intent to add 100,000 cops on the streets and even more stringent punishments for victimless crimes, Kerry has won the endorsement of most police associations in the country.

6) John Kerry's economic plan will create poverty, not jobs.
Kerry continues to support "free-trade" treaties such as the WTO and NAFTA, which has destroyed hundreds of thousands of U.S. jobs, depressed wages in Mexico, and cost 3 million Mexican farmers their livelihoods. He voted for and continues to tout Clinton's demolition of welfare, throwing hundreds of thousands into the streets, disproportionately young mothers and their children.

He has pledged to cut (yes, cut) the corporate tax rate. This is at a time of the greatest polarization of wealth since the 1920s, when after-tax corporate profits as a share of GDP have reached a level not seen since 1929, while poverty is growing and access to healthcare falling! At the same time, Kerry wants to maintain massive military expenditures on Iraq and Afghanistan.

7) John Kerry's health care plan: don't get sick.
Forty-four million people currently lack health insurance, and monthly premiums are reaching $500 in some states. In contrast with the majority of Americans, who consistently say they want a publicly funded universal healthcare system as a solution to the healthcare crisis, Kerry's non-solution is to help insurers pay the cost of employees' emergencies and hospital stays, and to provide tax credits to businesses. Kerry would use federal money to only help out the companies, not the workers who actually need it.

8) John Kerry, like George Bush, wants to leave every child behind.
The rising cost of college tuition now leaves many young people with staggering debt burdens, while cash-starved school districts are cutting hours from the school week and eliminating programs like preschool, music, and physical education. In the primary season, Kerry promised funding for universal preschool and to cover college costs for national service volunteers. But he has already broken his promise by scaling back these programs to appease Corporate America.

He has also scaled back plans for providing money to the states, leaving states and cities with fewer dollars to spend on education. Perhaps the fact that Kerry voted for Bush's notorious "No Child Left Behind" legislation is the best indication of how Kerry will actually govern.

9) John Kerry opposes same-sex marriage rights.
At the national level and in his home state of Massachusetts, Kerry has made clear he does not support giving LGBT people equal marriage rights, instead suggesting second class "civil unions."

10) John Kerry will only get worse.
After Kerry beat out Howard Dean in the primaries, he moved rightward, reneging on many populist primary promises. New York Times columnist David Brooks described Kerry's strategy in an article aptly titled "Right Face, March!": "John Kerry is ... the policy twin of Joe Lieberman: a pro-trade, fiscally conservative centrist Democrat who is willing to pour more troops into Iraq to win the war. [He is playing] the quadrennial game that smart nominees play: Shaft the Left ... Kerry now vows to cap federal spending and reduce the size of government ... Kerry now insists he is not 'a redistributionist Democrat.' He flees from the word 'liberal'." (5/4/04) Kerry feels he can ignore issues important to the current Democratic base - women, unions, people of color - since they certainly won't turn to Bush. As long as Kerry can take the left for granted, he will have no incentive to implement any progressive policies. This was the case with Clinton, who came to power with the backing of the labor movement, then promptly passed NAFTA and forgot all about his promises for universal healthcare.

Millions of Americans are legitimately desperate to oust the un-elected George W. Bush from the White House. But simply defeating Bush does not mean defeating Bush's policies - policies which have been either supported or allowed by the Democratic Party establishment, and will continue under a Kerry administration.

While differences between Bush and Kerry do exist on some issues, such as abortion rights or federal agency appointments, the Democrats have proven again and again that they are unwilling and unable to stand up and defend our rights on any front. When push comes to shove, figures like Kerry will always cave in to right-wing corporate interests, which have financed his entire political career.

The only way to really change things is to build a mass movement of regular people to fight for our interests and against both corporate parties of the status quo.

The two corporate parties are jointly barreling down a path of war, exploitation, and environmental destruction that threatens our living standards (and very existence as a species). Now more than ever, we need a new political party that is not beholden to the rich, and this will never happen as long as people vote for the lesser evil instead of the candidate they truly agree with.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by movieman64
I saw both Guilliani's and McCain's speechs last night. I wish the latter hadn't given Michael Moore so much free publicity, I also loved Ron Silverman's. Did you see Kerry's daughters on the MTV awards the other night? Seemed like a lot of booing going on from a supposed democratic target group. Alice Cooper also came out about "rockers" campaining for Kerry.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/august/0826_alice_cooper.shtml Well..I won't watch Mtv...*cough*Mainsream Commercialism*cough*...But, I loved the link...Thanks ;)


Alice Cooper Rocks:cool:

[bloodrayne]

Oh..and Thank YOU, Phnomne for that very informative (and hopefully eye-opening, as well as MIND-opening) post;) :)

[Arioch]

You guys are acting like one of these guys is a lieing asshole.....they are BOTH lieing assholes guys.....BOTH...

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by Arioch
You guys are acting like one of these guys is a lieing asshole.....they are BOTH lieing assholes guys.....BOTH...

Of that Im well aware Arioch, but to be honest if forced to choose I will take Bush. Im pretty confident that he a full fledged member of the Mettem Phuktem Leftem fraternity. I really dont want to see what will happen if our country was put into the hands of Lurch or the condiment Queen.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
The only way to really change things is to build a mass movement of regular people to fight for our interests and against both corporate parties of the status quo.

The two corporate parties are jointly barreling down a path of war, exploitation, and environmental destruction that threatens our living standards (and very existence as a species). Now more than ever, we need a new political party that is not beholden to the rich, and this will never happen as long as people vote for the lesser evil instead of the candidate they truly agree with.

This was exactly the point I was trying to get across in my earlier discussion with Fluff. She labeled it as whining.

Very well worded, Je Suis.

[Arioch]

I would back that statement 100%....

[Vodstok]

i think it is exactly this situation that is responsible for my love of apocalyptic movies.

Who needs to worry about who is a better candidate when they have both been eaten by zombies?

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
i think it is exactly this situation that is responsible for my love of apocalyptic movies.

Who needs to worry about who is a better candidate when they have both been eaten by zombies?

lol when the proverbial shit hits the fan, we just want to make sure that we arent down range of the splatter.

In all reality the whole "civil war" idea I do find a bit intriguing, but at the same time realize that civil uprisings make us no better than the countries we are out there protecting and attacking for that matter.

[allmykids]

I am not touching this one this time. Except to say I am voting for BUSH !!!!! :D :D :D

[bwind22]

Here's some food for thought...

Why do we only get to pick from 2 candidates for President of the US, but there are 50 candidates for Miss USA?

That seems ass backwards.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
Here's some food for thought...

Why do we only get to pick from 2 candidates for President of the US, but there are 50 candidates for Miss USA? Umm...Let me think about that one for a minute......












Because, it doesn't matter if we have an ugly president?








lol:p

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bwind22
Here's some food for thought...

Why do we only get to pick from 2 candidates for President of the US, but there are 50 candidates for Miss USA?

That seems ass backwards.
technically we get 3 choices, but most people do seem to consider Nader a joke.

miss america has 50 choices because there is one contestant per state. We dont get a presidential candidate per state, nor do we want one. could you imagine Dan Quayle running for PRESIDENT?

We dont need GW's intellectual INFERIOR running...

[jay o2 waster]

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[bwind22]

Originally posted by Vodstok
technically we get 3 choices, but most people do seem to consider Nader a joke.

miss america has 50 choices because there is one contestant per state. We dont get a presidential candidate per state, nor do we want one. could you imagine Dan Quayle running for PRESIDENT?

We dont need GW's intellectual INFERIOR running...


I know that there's 50, 1 from each state, I also realize that 50 Presidential candidates would be too many, but it was just to invoke thought.

Nader is a 3rd party, but he doesn't receive equal air time by any means. There should be 5 or 6 candidates, all with a realistic shot at winning and all with equal air time and coverage. They need to show us some options and make us feel like they have a chance or people won't vote for them because they thinkit's a wasted vote!

[yourlastmistake]

http://home.ripway.com/2004-8/167824/OsamasChoice.gif


Well...... at least we know who he's voting for.

[allmykids]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
http://home.ripway.com/2004-8/167824/OsamasChoice.gif


Well...... at least we know who he's voting for.

Boy that's the truth!!