Kids Dying Violent Deaths in Horror

[Stingy Jack]

One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

[Egekrusher]

The sight of children dying is something that makes everyone cringe. It inspires rage, disgust and a need for vengeance. The main reason it's not used more is simply because most people just don't want to see it, real or not. Personally, I hate it when they kill kids in horror movies. That's just not something I want to see or contemplate. I'd rather watch someone be castrated than watch a kid die a horrible death.

[movieman64]

I think a child's, assumed innocence, (The Bad Seed) is what attracts most writers/directors to the use of children in horror films. The Shinning, Pet Sematary, the new Godsend, original Exorcist. However, in most films children are portrayed as some sort of victim, even though they might perpetrate violence on someone else, it usually comes as the result of some sort of transformation, such as death or possesion.

[Stingy Jack]

Actually, I remember a film titled The Child ... which depicts a girl who is friends with zombies and make them do her bidding. This girl was pretty whacked, and seemed to have no motives to her violence, other than she's just a bad kid who finds a way to vent her anger through the undead.

She dies pretty horribly. She gets an axe in the head, if I remember correctly.

[Vodstok]

check this out and tell me what you think:

http://scaredyet.net/groups/kids.aspx

[massacre man]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion. why do you make threads out of my stupidest ideas?

[Chainsaw Guy]

Puppet master 2 when that kid is pretending to be Indiana Jones And torch comes up and he starts whipping him and picks him up and torch sets him ablaze

[massacre man]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Guy
Puppet master 2 when that kid is pretending to be Indiana Jones And torch comes up and he starts whipping him and picks him up and torch sets him ablaze was it called puppet master 2 or did it have a puppet master:...

[Chainsaw Guy]

Originally posted by massacre man
was it called puppet master 2 or did it have a puppet master:...

Its was just Puppet master 2

[massacre man]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Guy
Its was just Puppet master 2 ok cuz i want to see thatmy blocbuster only has retro puppet master

[moonsorrow]

the same reason they use a female character in silent hill 3, its been proven, as males we are protective of women, thats why we are the stronger gender, instinct makes us protect, not terms like "gentlemen." its the same way id be with my little brother, or some random 13 year old getting ass ass beat by the local gangs, our instinct (male or female) wants us to protect these little buggars so it makes us more uncomfortable around thesethings.

[massacre man]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
the same reason they use a female character in silent hill 3, its been proven, as males we are protective of women, thats why we are the stronger gender, instinct makes us protect, not terms like "gentlemen." its the same way id be with my little brother, or some random 13 year old getting ass ass beat by the local gangs, our instinct (male or female) wants us to protect these little buggars so it makes us more uncomfortable around thesethings. i 13 i dont think any gangs are gonna mess with me in 6 foot 3 and like i weigh like alot

[moonsorrow]

size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.

[massacre man]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish. were talkin about people not fish lol

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

Pet Semetary - Gage gets hit by a semi truck
ummmm...
lots of troma movies but that doesn't really count

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
Pet Semetary - Gage gets hit by a semi truck
I was going to mention this because Stephen King has always wanted to portray children dying violent deaths...The reason being that it is horrifying, and therefore contributes to the 'horror' theme overall...The scene that we actually saw when Gage was killed, was NOT the scene that King had envisioned...

King was told to either drastically alter or remove a scene in Maximum Overdrive, where a boy on the ballfield was run over by a steamroller, feet first, ending with his brains bursting out of the top of his head...They told him that the film would get an X rating, if he didn't comply...It STILL pisses him off...

Perhaps if he weren't so restrained whenever he tried to bring his books to the screen, his movies wouldn't be so bad...Just a thought

[massacre man]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I was going to mention this because Stephen King has always wanted to portray children dying violent deaths...The reason being that it is horrifying, and therefore contributes to the 'horror' theme overall...The scene that we actually saw when Gage was killed, was NOT the scene that King had envisioned...

King was told to either drastically alter or remove a scene in Maximum Overdrive, where a boy on the ballfield was run over by a steamroller, feet first, ending with his brains bursting out of the top of his head...They told him that the film would get an X rating, if he didn't comply...It STILL pisses him off...

Perhaps if he weren't so restrained whenever he tried to bring his books to the screen, his movies wouldn't be so bad...Just a thought why worry about it midgets are the same size it wouldnt get any different rating if a midget was crushed by a steamroller

[Stingy Jack]

BloodRayne, I was just about to mention the steamroller scene in Maximum Overdrive. Gauge's death doesn't really count, because you don't actually see him get hit by the truck ... but you do see the boy get steamrolled.

MM, I think moonsorrow has a point. It's not really the size of the kid, but the age. They're so young that their inexperience has them living in the age of innocence ... and I think it's this innocence that we, as adults, want to protect. Midgets are small, but not necessarily innocent. The more innocent the child (the younger, for example), the more we don't want to see it's death. I think the most memorable scene, for example, in Titanic was when they showed the mother holding her cold, dead infant in the water.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
BloodRayne, I was just about to mention the steamroller scene in Maximum Overdrive. Gauge's death doesn't really count, because you don't actually see him get hit by the truckThat's what I was talking about...King WANTED us to see it, but....

[massacre man]

only kids know its fake and thats why its rated R you dont take little kids to see it its a fake death and if you see a kid on a movie die 2 months later youll see them on a commercial dancing with vacuums

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
That's what I was talking about...King WANTED us to see it, but....

Oh, he wanted us too see Gauge's death ... I see now. What was the scene he wanted us to see? I thought ...I misread your last post. I thought it was all about the steamroller thing, even though I read the whole post. Just forgot about what you said about Gauge at the beginning.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Oh, he wanted us too see Gauge's death ... I see now. What was the scene he wanted us to see? I thought ...I misread your last post. I thought it was all about the steamroller thing, even though I read the whole post. Just forgot about what you said about Gauge at the beginning. LOL...Smarty Pants

[massacre man]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
LOL...Smarty Pants smarty socks

[WaR38]

size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.

I think the reason assholes still try to start shit with you is because they feel threatened. They think the have to prove how big a man (or ass) they are. "It" has kids being killed in it. Also in "Exorcist The Beginning" it shows a Nazi member during world war II shooting little children in the heads.

[massacre man]

Originally posted by WaR38
I think the reason assholes still try to start shit with you is because they feel threatened. They think the have to prove how big a man (or ass) they are. "It" has kids being killed in it. Also in "Exorcist The Beginning" it shows a Nazi member during world war II shooting little children in the heads. was the movie any good?

[WaR38]

I thought it was alright for the crap movies comming out these days. It could never live up to the orignal though but what could. I posted on it but no one replied.

[massacre man]

sorta like R.S.V.P good for the movies coming out now

especially jason mewes

[mayoisthedevil]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
The sight of children dying is something that makes everyone cringe. It inspires rage, disgust and a need for vengeance. The main reason it's not used more is simply because most people just don't want to see it, real or not. Personally, I hate it when they kill kids in horror movies. That's just not something I want to see or contemplate. I'd rather watch someone be castrated than watch a kid die a horrible death.

yeah. i don't like to see the kiddies dies either...also in other movies were they have animals (ie. horses, dogs ect) i hate seeing them die too

[massacre man]

Originally posted by mayoisthedevil
yeah. i don't like to see the kiddies dies either...also in other movies were they have animals (ie. horses, dogs ect) i hate seeing them die too i hate seeing animals die too

[wufong]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.
maybe the reason people start shit with you is because you have fangs, a blood tear drop and you wear chains and bullets across your chest?

[xGuardianx03]

Originally posted by wufong
maybe the reason people start shit with you is because you have fangs, a blood tear drop and you wear chains and bullets across your chest?


If someone starts trouble with another person because of how they look, well that makes them an idiot .

[massacre man]

Originally posted by xGuardianx03
If someone starts trouble with another person because of how they look, well that makes them an idiot . what if they have a shirt that says YOU SUCK

[xGuardianx03]

Originally posted by massacre man
what if they have a shirt that says YOU SUCK



Then you're gonna have to start wearing a shirt that says..."SO DO YOU!" :)

[massacre man]

Originally posted by xGuardianx03
Then you're gonna have to start wearing a shirt that says..."SO DO YOU!" :) what if yours is dirty?

[moonsorrow]

so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified?

[massacre man]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified? i wouldnt consider him a kid

[xGuardianx03]

Originally posted by massacre man
what if yours is dirty?


stay home

[orangestar]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?

and p.s. pretty brutal kids death in final destination two...how about being liquified?


which one was liquified? :confused:

[moonsorrow]

the kid who got splatted by the huge plexiglass plate...it was plexiglass wasnt it?

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
size doesnt matter, im 6 ft tall, weigh about 80 kilos, i work out so im buff, i got vampire fangs and a little drop of blood coming down my eye so it looks like a tear, i wear chains and bullets across my chest... i look like the thing that comes out of your works nightmares and people still start shit, no matter who you are your giong to end up in truble sooner or later, and no matter who you are, doesnt matter how strong, how fast or how good, there will always be a bigger fish.

Unless, of course, you're Bruce Lee.

[darthvonpokemon]

This thread just came to my attention. A film of mine that's been in production limbo for what feels like forever falls under the dead kid category. I have most of it shot and made a '60 Second Film' version/trailer for some contest and included it at the beginning of another friend's film release since I was his editor. His film was released and reviewed by someone I'm not best friends with, but have always been on good terms with. At the end of the review, he stated the trailer for my film was 'total crap'. I was aghast. Everyone who had seen it thought it was well done, creepy, atmospheric, etc. even if it was bizzarre and rather ugly. I wrote to him to ask why he stated that. His reply was simple. He thought it was really well done, etc., but felt I had broken the unwritten rule of horror. 'What's that ?' I asked. I not only SHOWED a dead child in it, but I broke an even worse taboo by showing the child getting killed. Natuarally I thought he was joking. Apparently not. He said he simply could not give me a good review based upon that premise. I thanked him for his honesty and have since gone back to putting my original vision for those scenes back in. The original scenes are easily10 times more graphic. A slow motion scene of the little girl getting shot in the head, rivers of blood, skull and brains everywhere. I toned it down for the trailer. Knowing it bothers people that much makes me want to keep it now even more. Never compromise your artistic vision (unless you get a lot of money to LOL).
CK
PS You can see the '60 Second Film' at :
Sins of The Mother / Going, Going... trailer (http://www.drunkenfleshfilms.com/SinsMother.wmv)

[darthvonpokemon]

Moonsorrow, if you want to look so different to set yourself apart from everyone in the first place, don't you think you're going to get some mixed perceptions from people then ? Nothing worse then people who cry out for attention then cry when it's negative LOL
CK

[moonsorrow]

hey fuck you, not looking for atention, i get enough as it is...why do looks always have to be acociated with attention...
i dont feel comfortable in baggy fucking pants, i dont feel to good in a siut either, nor do i feel good in a jogging siut.
i like the clothes i wear and i dont do for anybody but me, and anybody who thinks diffrentley... go fuck yourself(s)

[darthvonpokemon]

so... if i shouldnt wear my fangs, and i shouldnt use blood as makeup and i shouldn wear bullets...what should i wear?
Yeah, nothing about this seems to scream 'Look at me ! Look at me !'. LOL
CK
PS Fuck you, too :D
Your Dungeons and Dragons team awaits.

[moonsorrow]

your the kind of person im talking about here, you take one look at me and you got me pegged, you got me in a both and all figured out havent you?
someday your going to piss of the wrong person, if this was face to face it would have been me, your in luck this time.

[fluffho]

that picture makes me want to kick ass

[Egekrusher]

I would love to look like that.

But my job prevents me from doing so.

Moonsorrow - I know what it's like to be different man. I also know what it's like for everyone to think you are doing it for attention and for the sole purpose of pissing people off. That's not what it's about. It's about being yourself, regardless of what other people think.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by darthvonpokemon
This thread just came to my attention. A film of mine that's been in production limbo for what feels like forever falls under the dead kid category. I have most of it shot and made a '60 Second Film' version/trailer for some contest and included it at the beginning of another friend's film release since I was his editor. His film was released and reviewed by someone I'm not best friends with, but have always been on good terms with. At the end of the review, he stated the trailer for my film was 'total crap'. I was aghast. Everyone who had seen it thought it was well done, creepy, atmospheric, etc. even if it was bizzarre and rather ugly. I wrote to him to ask why he stated that. His reply was simple. He thought it was really well done, etc., but felt I had broken the unwritten rule of horror. 'What's that ?' I asked. I not only SHOWED a dead child in it, but I broke an even worse taboo by showing the child getting killed. Natuarally I thought he was joking. Apparently not. He said he simply could not give me a good review based upon that premise. I thanked him for his honesty and have since gone back to putting my original vision for those scenes back in. The original scenes are easily10 times more graphic. A slow motion scene of the little girl getting shot in the head, rivers of blood, skull and brains everywhere. I toned it down for the trailer. Knowing it bothers people that much makes me want to keep it now even more. Never compromise your artistic vision (unless you get a lot of money to LOL).
CK
PS You can see the '60 Second Film' at :
Sins of The Mother / Going, Going... trailer (http://www.drunkenfleshfilms.com/SinsMother.wmv)

Go for it. I may not necessarily want to see it, but if it's as shocking as you make it sound, I'll have to. Nothing scares me anymore, except midgets.

[moonsorrow]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I would love to look like that.

But my job prevents me from doing so.

Moonsorrow - I know what it's like to be different man. I also know what it's like for everyone to think you are doing it for attention and for the sole purpose of pissing people off. That's not what it's about. It's about being yourself, regardless of what other people think.

exactley, in todays modern society its the individuals that count, even (fluff)ho is an individual and she does count as much as i hate to admitt it...even that little turd who just pissed me off...cant remember the name. what would a man be if we were all the same?

[darthvonpokemon]

You're the one bitching about the negative attention you get from wearing blood and fangs and shit. How am I pegging anything wrong ? If you don't like people's reactions, DON'T WEAR THEM.
Sorry to get you in such a tizzy. However, I would like to take you up on your offer. If you're ever in Chicago, look me up. You'll be swallowing those fangs and the blood and tears will be for real, cutie. Nothing worse than hearing kids with bad attitudes making anonymous threats from behind their computers. Esp when they're wearing make-up.

[moonsorrow]

christ...this is pathetic, threats over the internett? personaly i would rather eat my own face then set foot in america.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
even (fluff)ho is an individual and she does count as much as i hate to admitt it

wow. you give me too much credit. all i do is hang out.. but i guess i am a lot weirder than most. so is what im told

[darthvonpokemon]

if this was face to face it would have been me, your in luck this time
hmmm ? Eat your own face ? You have the fangs for it I guess. Hope you don't get indigestion though. I'll get the rest of America to sign my sympathy card for you saying how sorry we are you won't be coming. I was going to bake a cake, too. Oh well.

[moonsorrow]

a cake is no fun when your all alone love

[darthvonpokemon]

Nothing scares me anymore, except midgets.
hmmm I'm sure I can work them into the unshot footage somehow LOL
CK

[moonsorrow]

if i had a dime id give you one, so you could buy yourself a better brain and maby half a sence of humor...its late, im tierd and im hitting the sack.

[darthvonpokemon]

All of America was going to come out for your party. We were all going to hide in Wyoming or some other big waste of a state and jump out and yell 'surprise !' in your honor (or do you prefer 'honour' ?) when you arrived. <sigh> I guess I'll be the one to break the bad news to the rest of the nation you won't be coming any time soon now. We'll probably wear armbands and have a national day of mourning this week.
CK

[darthvonpokemon]

if i had a dime id give you one, so you could buy yourself a better brain and maby half a sence of humor...its late, im tierd and im hitting the sack.
...and if I had a schoolchild's spelling lesson book, I'd give it to you. You write like you need it. Sweet dreams. Don't forget to take off your make-up before you go to bed, cutie. :D
CK

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by darthvonpokemon
You're the one bitching about the negative attention you get from wearing blood and fangs and shit. How am I pegging anything wrong ? If you don't like people's reactions, DON'T WEAR THEM.
Sorry to get you in such a tizzy. However, I would like to take you up on your offer. If you're ever in Chicago, look me up. You'll be swallowing those fangs and the blood and tears will be for real, cutie. Nothing worse than hearing kids with bad attitudes making anonymous threats from behind their computers. Esp when they're wearing make-up.

So you would have him just give in? Just give up his individuality so he doesn't have to put up with the bullshit? Why? Because that's the way things are? It's bullshit. Society should not dictate who we are. Unfortunately, that is the way it is. Does that mean we should like it or give in to it? Not at all. If anything, it should make us fight harder to retain that individuality.

Attitudes such as the one you have were the cause for religious inquisitions where people who were labeled as "different" were executed for being that way. It is the cause of racism, and the cause of undue hatred based solely on the way someone looks. It disgusts me. Especially when people use the excuse "Well, everyone else thinks/acts/talks/looks this way, why shouldn't I?" Just because everyone else you know is bigoted and can't tolerate the differences in other people doesn't mean that you should be the same way.

I know it's on the extreme end, but not liking different ideas and people is what brought Hitler to power. Just think about that. THEN, come back and tell me "fit in because you should, and don't bitch if you don't". That is a very juvenile, lazy attitude that can lead to very bad things.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by darthvonpokemon
...and if I had a schoolchild's spelling lesson book, I'd give it to you. You write like you need it. Sweet dreams. Don't forget to take off your make-up before you go to bed, cutie. :D
CK

He does pretty damn good for someone who's native language isn't English.

Your best bet is to drop this battle. I can outwit the likes of you any day.

[darthvonpokemon]

hmmm the thread was about 'dead kids in movies' and somehow he has to bring up his look again, even though he's already posted the same topic in General. What does his preference in wardrobe have to with this topic here ? Nothing. He wants to look different ? Fine. Most people here do and have taken as much shit if not more than he has. Sounds to me more like he a personal insecurity problem then. What that has to do with dead kids in movies, I have no idea. Don't give in, but also don't whine about it, especially on an unrelated thread. He made it quite clear he doesn't like the negative attention he gets, but continues to do it anyways. My solution was simple: either deal with it or quit, but don't blather on about it like it's some crusade the rest of the world has against him personally (on an unrelated post mind you).
As for English being his second language, he sure picked up 'fuck you' quickly enough to post to me. That ranks right up there with 'your mama' as the sign of a lost argument. If he didn't agree with me, I'm sure there are many other ways of expressing it rather than the ever convenient 'fuck you'. Again, 'fuck you' is probably the most universal, NON-INDIVIDUAL way of being able to disagree without any thought involved. I'm sure we'd all love to see George W. break out with a 'fuck you' in a national debate against Kerry on tv just for that reason, but it's unlikely LOL
As for outwitting the 'likes of me any day', Ege, I'll look forward to you trying. This overall is a weak topic at best and not worthy of some serious debating. Maybe a topic of the pros and cons of midgets in cinema would be better suited for that :D
CK
PS Back to the original subject at hand, I hope you enjoyed my '60 Second' condensed film opening if you watched it.

[Egekrusher]

Meh. Shit happens.

Nice host, BTW. 300kbps+ is a very nice download speed.

Ok, here's what I thought of the trailer: Good idea. Horrible acting on the part of the woman though. The father seems to be an ok actor and the kids... well, kids are kids. They don't have to act.

The audio was too loud, it's garbled. Need to master it a bit more, though it may just be from the compression. What bitrate was the sound done at? What codec? Is it .mp3 audio? You may want to consider sacrificing a little filesize for better audio quality. It really takes away from the trailer. An extra MB or so isn't going to make much of a difference. I like the overall effect though.

Good job. :)

[darthvonpokemon]

Thanks. The mom is still going to reshoot some scenes for me. I'm pretty decent at editing, but some things are impossible to work around LOL. She's actually in it because she has a near identical twin sister, who also appears in the film (important plot point).Worst part was the little boy has the one line of dialogue that the entire film revolves around. The original boy decided 12 hours before shooting that he didn't want to do it and it turned out his replacement has ADD (kind of like 'Rain Man' with a real bad attitude LOL). He repeated the line all day long until I was actually filming. I've learned way too much the hard way from this film and it's still not done yet. On the plus side, scream queen Kimberly Lynn Cole appears in it. She still thinks the storyline is brilliant even if the actual film is bogged down by my non-actor friends LOL. This winter's filming of my 'Resurrection Mary' will actually have real actors this tiime. I want to make horror movies, not horrible movies LOL
CK

[KRUGERKID13]

check out from dusk till dawn the little asian kid gets mutilated

[massacre man]

Originally posted by MONSTER DAD
That bothered me heavily and continued to bother me for a couple of months afterwards. All I kept picturing was the little coffin. There is nothing natural about a coffin that small. yeah i had to go to a babies funeral while the family was on vacation he rolled off the balcony of the hotel he was only about 2 months old

[Vodstok]

Or losing your kid because your ex wasnt paying attention, like Eric Clapton.... That situation was fucking horrible

[moonsorrow]

allright, my last words on this topic...i was making a comparrison, it was on topic. out.

[TheHitchiker]

Children... So small.. So Innocent... So easy for killers to get....

[dodge50]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
One thing you don't see a lot of in horror films is children meeting a violent end. I can think of the scene in Halloween 3, and some friends of mine saw the new Exorcist movie last night and said there is a scene that depicts a kid getting torn apart by jackals ... or hyenas. Don't remember. Why do you think this type of scene is rarely touched in horror films, and can you think of any other scenes besides the two I mentioned? (Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. The child doesn't die violently there ... and we don't actually see Ben kill her re-animated corpse).

Personally, I think directors shy away from this type of thing because showing the violent death of a child for sensationalistic purposes may cause them quite a bit of grief. And such scenes do seem to be more disturbing to me ... although, I realize the kid probably got a nice paycheck in the end. I, for one, wouldn't raise a stink if they showed more of this in films. After all, it's getting harder and harder for films to actually horrify nowadays, and such scenes would definitely contribute to this neglected emotion.

Two that spring to mind are Mimic, where two kids looking for an insect pupa in the subway get eaten alive, and 28 Days Later, where that kid infected with the rage virus get his head smacked in with a baseball bat.

[urgeok]

was this shit worth dredging up again ?

[The Mothman]

I think that they should start making horror movies when ONLY kids die, because nothingh pisses me off more than terrible kid actors.

[LilMissScareAll]

I noticed that long ago, and so I was thinking of having a little kid die a gory death in my movie since you don't see it much....dont know for sure yet though...I know alot of little boys around here are into horror movies(because they complimented my Leatherface & Michael Myers costumes) and I'm sure I could get one to agree to get all bloody for a movie scene.

[Steve_Hutchison]

If you're going to put kids in a horror movie, don't make them smarter or less vulnerable than adults or teens. Don't take your audience for morons. Kids dying in horror movies is a good thing in my book.

[LilMissScareAll]

I definitely won't...I'm sort of basing this movie on real events...not entirely of course because it's a horror movie. But I'm taking a few things from real life and putting them in the story and basing some characters on people I've known...and most people I've known haven't been the smartest.

[FreddyC.Krueger]

Personally I would like to see MORE of that. I mean, why do the kids always live (not always, but you know what I mean.) Its always the adults or teens. Its a horror movie, and I'm sure a evil psychopathic insane killer isn't going to be nice enough as to spare a child. Or some freak, sudden occurrence where someone comes in at the exact right time to save the child. What are the chances? Honestly.

[urgeok]

well, lets see if i can explain this properly.

the people who make films - for the most part - are adults.
adults dont enjoy seeing children die onscreen.

this might be a difficult concept to grasp for some of you at this time.

after 20 more years of reading newspapers and watching the news where this kind of shit happens for real, you may begin to understand why it doesnt seem necessary to put it in films.

I know there are a number of people out there who feel nothing is sacred, nothing is taboo.
I hope for future society's sake this changes eventually.

[movieman64]

A couple of weeks ago I saw the Ring Two. While I didn't care much for the movie, the young boy in the film, did have a sinister look most of the film, (very pale, dark circles under the eyes, that sort of stuff). I think this type of character is very effective for the creep factor. The young boy in Pet Semetary is really creepy when he comes back too. If the demise is implied, not graphic/gorey then I think it can be effective.

[Steve_Hutchison]

Originally posted by urgeok
well, lets see if i can explain this properly.

the people who make films - for the most part - are adults.
adults dont enjoy seeing children die onscreen.

this might be a difficult concept to grasp for some of you at this time.

after 20 more years of reading newspapers and watching the news where this kind of shit happens for real, you may begin to understand why it doesnt seem necessary to put it in films.

I know there are a number of people out there who feel nothing is sacred, nothing is taboo.
I hope for future society's sake this changes eventually.
Adults die violent deaths too, you know. My point is, if you're going to put kids in horror movies and make them unvulnerable, then you are an idiot.

[Steve_Hutchison]

Originally posted by urgeok
well, lets see if i can explain this properly.

the people who make films - for the most part - are adults.
adults dont enjoy seeing children die onscreen.


would you say that all those directors who have worked on rape movies enjoy seeing rape scenes?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Steve_Hutchison
Adults die violent deaths too, you know. My point is, if you're going to put kids in horror movies and make them unvulnerable, then you are an idiot.


who said invulnerable ?
sure they die .. i believe the thread said 'dying violent deaths'
implying 'why arent kids seen graphically killed onscreen' ?

i gave you the same answer you'd get from people in the industry.
very few people want to film that. And very few people want to see it..

the ones that do should seek help.

[Steve_Hutchison]

Maybe you're right. I'm not crazy about kids dying violently.. but I definitely want them dead if they have an important role in a given movie while everybody else around them dies (i.e. Halloween 4,5).

What do you think of Battle Royale? They were'nt kids, but they were close.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Steve_Hutchison
would you say that all those directors who have worked on rape movies enjoy seeing rape scenes?

i sure hope not.
you're equating a rape scene in an exploitation horror film or a rape scene where something socially relevant is being portrayed ..

are we talking oranges and oranges here ?


i really dont think a child needs to be graphically killed on screen to get the point across to people :

killing children is bad.

unfortunately rape seems to be an acceptable form of recreation for a lot of people.
'she was asking for it' 'she should have known better'
etc ..

thus a film like irriversable that showed on screen what hell it is for a woman to experience such a thing. Unpleasant - but with a purpose.

and i'll bet everyone responsible for that film felt horrible making it.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Steve_Hutchison
Maybe you're right. I'm not crazy about kids dying violently.. but I definitely want them dead if they have an important role in a given movie while everybody else around them dies (i.e. Halloween 4,5).

What do you think of Battle Royale? They were'nt kids, but they were close.

i didnt equate them with kids .. they were young adults ..

[Steve_Hutchison]

Originally posted by urgeok
and i'll bet everyone responsible for that film felt horrible making it.

And they should.

[EXTR3MIST]

One of the great taboos, I love seeing the little cherubs get sliced or blown away on-screen - quite simply because it's a hot potato of a thing to depict.

From the ketchup-strewn daftness of Beware! Children at Play to the startlingly nasty carnage of The Untold Story, films with infant deaths always grab the attention, and even moreso if these scenes are graphic and protracted.

One might take the moral stance and object to such scenarios having the audacity to grace the screen on grounds of taste, but anybody with half a brain is aware that a drama is a drama and if the difference between exploitative storytelling and leering stimulation is not clear then best avoid anything with kids in it just to be safe.

Killing children is bad... well so is killing adults - but if we are to enjoy horror movies without needing our little set of dos & donts by our armchairs then you really have to take the rough with the smooth.

[massacre man]

Amityville

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
One of the great taboos, I love seeing the little cherubs get sliced or blown away on-screen - quite simply because it's a hot potato of a thing to depict.

From the ketchup-strewn daftness of Beware! Children at Play to the startlingly nasty carnage of The Untold Story, films with infant deaths always grab the attention, and even moreso if these scenes are graphic and protracted.

One might take the moral stance and object to such scenarios having the audacity to grace the screen on grounds of taste, but anybody with half a brain is aware that a drama is a drama and if the difference between exploitive storytelling and leering stimulation is not clear then best avoid anything with kids in it just to be safe.

Killing children is bad... well so is killing adults - but if we are to enjoy horror movies without needing our little set of dos & donts by our armchairs then you really have to take the rough with the smooth.

you always equate 'grabbing attention' with worthiness ..
why is seeing something just because it's forbidden a justification in itself ..its like playing the devils advocate just to hear yourself talk. it lacks conviction ...
Porn was taboo at one time .. the interest is understandable because sex is a pleasurable thing to watch ...
We're talking horror films and violent child death here.
Its not the kind of exploitation my inner senses want..

it is unpleasant that any person dies.. yes indeed ....
but by the very fact that it is far more horrifying to see a child die by far .. that in itself is enough for the vast majority to determine that they dont relish seeing it.

For many - including myself - watching a horror film doesn't mean constantly forcing ourselves to deal with the deepest darkest foulest parts of the human experience..

fuck - i mean movie watching doesn't have to be an extreme sport 24/7

i get the sense that its like being a junkie .. once you've done it all it has to get harder and harder ..

I just dont feel that way ..There are a lot better ways to grab my attention than butchering a child for the sake of some kind of .. wake up call....

judge me how you will .. it just isnt in my realm of acceptability for whatever makes me the person i am.

[Steve_Hutchison]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
One of the great taboos, I love seeing the little cherubs get sliced or blown away on-screen - quite simply because it's a hot potato of a thing to depict.

From the ketchup-strewn daftness of Beware! Children at Play to the startlingly nasty carnage of The Untold Story, films with infant deaths always grab the attention, and even moreso if these scenes are graphic and protracted.

One might take the moral stance and object to such scenarios having the audacity to grace the screen on grounds of taste, but anybody with half a brain is aware that a drama is a drama and if the difference between exploitative storytelling and leering stimulation is not clear then best avoid anything with kids in it just to be safe.

Killing children is bad... well so is killing adults - but if we are to enjoy horror movies without needing our little set of dos & donts by our armchairs then you really have to take the rough with the smooth.
I like the way you think.

[ENTITY2000]

does anybody remember a old movie called "THE PIT"?
it has a little boy that finds a pit with some kind of creatures
in it and he killls alot of people by pushing them in that pit
and eventually he dies by them things getting him
i just don't remember how they get to him.

nobody knows what movie i'm talking about
so i thought maybe yous guys can help me.
:D

[Steve_Hutchison]

Originally posted by ENTITY2000
does anybody remember a old movie called "THE PIT"?
it has a little boy that finds a pit with some kind of creatures
in it and he killls alot of people by pushing them in that pit
and eventually he dies by them things getting him
i just don't remember how they get to him.

nobody knows what movie i'm talking about
so i thought maybe yous guys can help me.
:D
Seen it. Don't remember much of it tough.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ENTITY2000
does anybody remember a old movie called "THE PIT"?
it has a little boy that finds a pit with some kind of creatures
in it and he killls alot of people by pushing them in that pit
and eventually he dies by them things getting him
i just don't remember how they get to him.

nobody knows what movie i'm talking about
so i thought maybe yous guys can help me.
:D


yep .. i have the movie on tape somewhere.
wasnt violent though - i dont think you ever saw a single killing..

[movieman64]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
One of the great taboos, I love seeing the little cherubs get sliced or blown away on-screen - quite simply because it's a hot potato of a thing to depict.

From the ketchup-strewn daftness of Beware! Children at Play to the startlingly nasty carnage of The Untold Story, films with infant deaths always grab the attention, and even moreso if these scenes are graphic and protracted.

One might take the moral stance and object to such scenarios having the audacity to grace the screen on grounds of taste, but anybody with half a brain is aware that a drama is a drama and if the difference between exploitative storytelling and leering stimulation is not clear then best avoid anything with kids in it just to be safe.

Killing children is bad... well so is killing adults - but if we are to enjoy horror movies without needing our little set of dos & donts by our armchairs then you really have to take the rough with the smooth.

I just picked up Beware! Children at Play the other day...coincidence?

[I,ZOMBIE]

more more more!!!
splatter pow zip woooo!!!! yeah!

umm... so fulci shouuld have had more kids die.
i liked in the real dawn of the dead, the little kid zombies... that was great. although in the fake dawn of the dead, i was pre-rehab and i was yelling "baby zombie!!" as soon as i saw the pregnant waiting to die girl. needless to say i never got to see after the part where i got thrown out of the theatre and thats okay, because that movie sucked.

i want to get a job as a movie huy, so people can come in my office and be like "oh so i want to remake day of the dead, but i'm going to make it suck and the zombies will run!" and i'll be all like, "stand up boy." and wind up and kick them so hard in the nuts that they will never think of remaking a classic zombie flick and make zombies run. and while they are lying there crying like a little bitch, i will explain the ethnobiology of zombies and why they can't run. ...so when do i start?? i mean to get paid, i already do that to people who think zombies can run.