Wwe

[FreddyFan]

Okay, since u can talk about anything in this forum I decided to star a WWE thread. My favorite wrestlers. Not in order.
Shawn Micheals, John Cena, Undertaker, Billy Gunn, Rey Mysterio, Goldberg, Rikishi, Stone Cold Steve Austin(even though he doesn't wrestle anymore. But he is co-gm of raw so), Kevin Nash, Lita, Trish Stratus, Scott Steiner, Kurt Angle, Kane, Brock Lesnar, and Booker T. That's as many as I'll say. Who else likes WWE and who are you're favorite wrestlers. Don't have to be in order.

[avenger00soul]

I'm an old schooler, WCW is my chosen wrestling fed. And don't give me that "WCW sucked" shit, I've heard it all before. It's far better than the current state of the WWE.

Favorite wrestlers: Scott Hall, Jeff Jarrett, "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan, Mr. Perfect (R.I.P.), and Vampiro.

[FreddyFan]

I agree with u there avenger00soul. WCW is way better than wwe. I miss Scott Hall. He kicked major ass.

[avenger00soul]

I miss Hall too, they made a huge mistake when they let him go. Actually they made a huge mistake when they put alot of the WCW guys on the back-burner. The only guys from WCW that have really made a name for themselves are Booker and Goldberg. They kinda made Shane Helms into a joke, they retired DDP, and they killed Kurt Hennig. Maybe I'm pushing it a little bit with that last one, but they shouldn't have fired him.

[FreddyFan]

You're exactly right avenger00soul. You know who else I miss? I miss Sting. Sure they bring back Goldberg but not Sting. What the hell is wrong with them. By the way, where is Stevie Ray? He and Booker T were a great tag team.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
You're exactly right avenger00soul. You know who else I miss? I miss Sting. Sure they bring back Goldberg but not Sting. What the hell is wrong with them. By the way, where is Stevie Ray? He and Booker T were a great tag team.

Sting is currently with NWA (Jarrett's promotion). They run a PPV every week and their wrestling is the BEST I have ever seen. I miss Stevie Ray too, he was a helluva funny commentator.

[FreddyFan]

I've heard of that business. Haven't ordered any of the shows yet but i will soon. It looks way better than wwe. I wish DDP would come back. He was awesome. If he would come back it's not a bad thing, "it's a good thing."

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
I've heard of that business. Haven't ordered any of the shows yet but i will soon. It looks way better than wwe. I wish DDP would come back. He was awesome. If he would come back it's not a bad thing, "it's a good thing."

I think his injury is too damaging for him to wrestle again. The NWA PPV's are great though. The X-division (cruiserweight) guys are completely awesome. They make Rey Mysterio look like an amateur.

[FreddyFan]

I know. I've seen previews. Out of all the guys I've seen in the previews I like Aj Styles the most. I love his special. The styles clash. What a move. And it has a great name.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
I know. I've seen previews. Out of all the guys I've seen in the previews I like Aj Styles the most. I love his special. The styles clash. What a move. And it has a great name.

As a matter of fact, Styles is fighting Sting during their big PPV coming up soon. Other matches include Vampire vs. Raven in a "Clockwork Orange House of Pain match???" and The Hulkster vs. Jarrett for the title. Hopefully I'll be watching that one.

[FreddyFan]

That's a gotta see ppv.

[Sick_As_Fuck]

Hogan's wrestling in an NWA-TNA PPV? When did this happen? Oh yeah, and Sting is the one who refused to join the WWE. They made offers to him on more than one occasion.

[_Leatha_Face_]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
I agree with u there avenger00soul. WCW is way better than wwe. I miss Scott Hall. He kicked major ass. im probably the biggest Scott Hall fan way baq him and Kevin Nash = The Outsiders = baddest tag team in the gm, but whatever happened to Hall??? oh and i like Sting and Scott Steiner

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by Sick_As_Fuck
Hogan's wrestling in an NWA-TNA PPV? When did this happen? Oh yeah, and Sting is the one who refused to join the WWE. They made offers to him on more than one occasion.

Hogan recently signed for one PPV. I don't know if he'll be on there often or if it's a one time deal. And thank god Sting did turn down the WWE's offers, they would have ruined him too.

[FreddyFan]

Avenger00soul is exactly right. If Sting did come to the wwe they would have ruined him. They ruined Goldberg. His matches are boring. Now if Goldberg just would of went with NWA-TNA he would be watchable. I have to order the NWA-TNA ppv because hogan is wrestling. Hogan was awesome.:D One thing before I end this post. "Whatcha gonna do brother, when the Hulkster runs wild on you?"

[billbundix]

well im gonna have to go a little more old-school on ya here and say my favorite wrestler would be the original undertaker. back when he first came out and could draw power from the urn. purple eyeliner and stuff. but to even get a little more old-school do any of you remember the great kubuke. i think thats how you spell his name. he kicked ass back in the day. spit green stuff out of his mouth. i think he was supposed to be mudas' father.

[FreddyFan]

I just watched one of NWA-TNA's greatest matches off of on demand. It was awesome. It was the first ever NWA-TNA cage match. It was America's Most Wanted vs Triple X. Great Match. NWA-TNA makes WWE look like fuckin amatuers.

[NirvanaNole]

Hall was fired because he is a drunk and kept screwing up. I like Hall, but from all I've heard about him, I would have fired his ass as well.

And no love for The Midnight Express? They are easily the greatest tag team in the history of wrestling. Sweet Stan and Beautiful Bobby!

My favorite singles wrestler of all time is HBK. He pretty much sucks now, but he was the shit earlier in his career. HBK and HHH were awesome when in DX. That was the pinnacle of HBK's career. It is a shame both of them are shells of their former selves.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
I just watched one of NWA-TNA's greatest matches off of on demand. It was awesome. It was the first ever NWA-TNA cage match. It was America's Most Wanted vs Triple X. Great Match. NWA-TNA makes WWE look like fuckin amatuers.

I told you dude.

As for NirvanaNole, did you hear the whole story of the Hall firing? He really didn't do anything wrong compared to some of the other guys on that plane.

[AUSTIN316426808]

4 WORDS-STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN

7 WWE TITLES
4 INTERCONTINENTAL TITLES
4 TAG TITLES
2 TIME ROYAL RUMBLE WINNER
KING OF THE RING WINNER

THE ONLY PERSON TO BEAT UNDERTAKER IN A BURIED ALIVE MATCH.

THE FIRST SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION IN HISTORY.

THE ONLY WRESTLER TO WIN THE TAG TEAM TITLES BY HIMSELF.

ENOUGH SAID!

''AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO''

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
4 WORDS-STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN

7 WWE TITLES
4 INTERCONTINENTAL TITLES
4 TAG TITLES
2 TIME ROYAL RUMBLE WINNER
KING OF THE RING WINNER

THE ONLY PERSON TO BEAT UNDERTAKER IN A BURIED ALIVE MATCH.

THE FIRST SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION IN HISTORY.

THE ONLY WRESTLER TO WIN THE TAG TEAM TITLES BY HIMSELF.

ENOUGH SAID!

''AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO''

Hahaha, I can finally terrorize you. As you would say "Austin blows dogs for quarters." Just messing with you. I really do hate the guy though. All that WHAT shit is fucking retarded.

[D'Lo]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
I told you dude.

As for NirvanaNole, did you hear the whole story of the Hall firing? He really didn't do anything wrong compared to some of the other guys on that plane.

I don't think it was just the stuff on the plane that got him fired. Just after he signed a contract with the WWF, he was backstage drunk. That's not a very good first impression. If I would have had another chance in the WWF, after all his screwing up (couple of arrests, drug use, alcohol abuse), I wouldn't come near any alcohol, let alone on my 1st day back.

As for wrestling today: I can only watch Smackdown here, so my favourites from that show are John Cena, Matt Hardy (although he's gone now) and Eddie Guerrero. Now here's a guy who the WWF hasn't ruined. After he got fired, he showed that he cleaned up his life, and after he came back, it's been a rollercoaster for him. He's a great wrestler and can cut hilarious promo's!

'Cheat 2 win!'

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by D'Lo
I don't think it was just the stuff on the plane that got him fired. Just after he signed a contract with the WWF, he was backstage drunk. That's not a very good first impression. If I would have had another chance in the WWF, after all his screwing up (couple of arrests, drug use, alcohol abuse), I wouldn't come near any alcohol, let alone on my 1st day back.

As for wrestling today: I can only watch Smackdown here, so my favourites from that show are John Cena, Matt Hardy (although he's gone now) and Eddie Guerrero. Now here's a guy who the WWF hasn't ruined. After he got fired, he showed that he cleaned up his life, and after he came back, it's been a rollercoaster for him. He's a great wrestler and can cut hilarious promo's!

'Cheat 2 win!'

Agreed. The Eddie Guerrero/RVD ladder match was the best match I've seen in the WWF in YEARS!!! Too bad they split those guys up.

As for the Hall situation. Hall will be Hall. I wouldn't have it any other way. As for the good impression thing, do you think he really cares? I'm sure he's a filthy rich bastard anyway.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS WHEN HE DOES IT.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS WHEN HE DOES IT.

It's so annoying though. Thank god it has finally started to die down. I hated it when the crowd would do it and it wasn't even Austin talking or anyone that was feuding with Austin. That sucked so much ass.

[AUSTIN316426808]

YEAH THAT DID START GETTING ANNOYING WHEN THEY JUST STARTED SAYING IT FOR NO REASON.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
YEAH THAT DID START GETTING ANNOYING WHEN THEY JUST STARTED SAYING IT FOR NO REASON.

Yeah, it was like someone was giving a damn good promo and the crowd would ruin it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

BUT ASIDE FROM ALL THAT YOU GOTTA ADMIT THAT HE'S THE BEST WRESTLER IN WWE HISTORY.

NOTE THAT I SAID WWE.

WCW IT'S OBVIOUS THAT'S FLAIR

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
BUT ASIDE FROM ALL THAT YOU GOTTA ADMIT THAT HE'S THE BEST WRESTLER IN WWE HISTORY.

NOTE THAT I SAID WWE.

WCW IT'S OBVIOUS THAT'S FLAIR

Hogan baby, Hogan. Just my opinion man.

Flair and Sting for WCW. Sting cuz he never left, no matter how bad it got.

[AUSTIN316426808]

TO ME HOGAN AND AUSTIN ARE PRETTY EQUAL I MEAN LOOKED AT WHAT THEY BOTH DID.

HOGAN BROUGHT THE WWF TO LIFE AND JUST WHEN WCW STARTED TO TAKE OVER THE RATINGS BATTLE AND WWF WAS LOSING POPULARITY AUSTIN BROUGHT IT BACK TO LIFE.

IF IT WAS'NT FOR HOGAN AND AUSTIN THERE PROBABLY WOULD'NT BE A WWE RIGHT NOW.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
TO ME HOGAN AND AUSTIN ARE PRETTY EQUAL I MEAN LOOKED AT WHAT THEY BOTH DID.

HOGAN BROUGHT THE WWF TO LIFE AND JUST WHEN WCW STARTED TO TAKE OVER THE RATINGS BATTLE AND WWF WAS LOSING POPULARITY AUSTIN BROUGHT IT BACK TO LIFE.

IF IT WAS'NT FOR HOGAN AND AUSTIN THERE PROBABLY WOULD'NT BE A WWE RIGHT NOW.

You have a good point, but I was hardcore WCW when Austin emerged. So I hate the current WWE that he is largely responsible for. Also, there are a ton of other guys who have made an impact, not just Hogan and Austin.

I love Hogan though, cuz he only has like 4 moves and he's managed to stay around forever. That's a damn accomplishment.

[D'Lo]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
You have a good point, but I was hardcore WCW when Austin emerged. So I hate the current WWE that he is largely responsible for. Also, there are a ton of other guys who have made an impact, not just Hogan and Austin.

I love Hogan though, cuz he only has like 4 moves and he's managed to stay around forever. That's a damn accomplishment.

I think Hogan will be remembered as the greatest of all time. You're right when you say he can't wrestle, but he makes that up with tons of charisma. I think Roddy Piper is also a great one. Not a real good wrestler, but there's hardly anybody better on the microphone. He did mainevent the first Wrestlemania and also the 'War to settle the score' on MTV in 1985 (against Hogan) which made it possible that Wrestlemania came into existence. Speaking of Piper, You should check out his book 'in the pit with Piper'. It's a really good read!

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by D'Lo
I think Hogan will be remembered as the greatest of all time. You're right when you say he can't wrestle, but he makes that up with tons of charisma. I think Roddy Piper is also a great one. Not a real good wrestler, but there's hardly anybody better on the microphone. He did mainevent the first Wrestlemania and also the 'War to settle the score' on MTV in 1985 (against Hogan) which made it possible that Wrestlemania came into existence. Speaking of Piper, You should check out his book 'in the pit with Piper'. It's a really good read!

I will always love Piper simply b/c of They Live. But you are right, he was crazy on the mic. No one was as animated as him, well maybe Flair. I haven't read any of the wrestling books yet. I'm waiting for one of the Vince's to write one. That would a particularly juicy read.

[FreddyFan]

I have one thing to say. Two more days till Survivor Series. It's probably not going to be as good as No Mercy 2003. I don't think any wwe pay per view will beat that one. But Survivor Series does have quite some good matches. Like Undertaker vs Mr. McMahon in a buried alive match, shane mcmahon vs kane in an ambulance match, the two survivor series style tag team matches and that's all I'm looking forward to. I just can't wait to see mr. mcmahon get buried alive. the only problem is that they will get him out after the match. in my opinion they should just leave him down there.

[NirvanaNole]

avenger,

Hall has a LONG history of being drunk and screwing things up. Once he started to fall back into that habit, they fired him. I have a feeling Hall was warned upon being rehired that he was on a short leash. He isn't treated the same as other wrestlers without a history of screwing up.

D'lo covered the issue well. He was fired for more than just the plane incident.



As for Hogan, he has always fucking sucked. I was one of the few that hated him in the 80s when I was a kid. My God he always bored me to death. Although, I did love the Ultimate Warrior. He was almost as bad as Hogan in the ring. lol

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
avenger,

Hall has a LONG history of being drunk and screwing things up. Once he started to fall back into that habit, they fired him. I have a feeling Hall was warned upon being rehired that he was on a short leash. He isn't treated the same as other wrestlers without a history of screwing up.

D'lo covered the issue well. He was fired for more than just the plane incident.

I know all of this, that's what makes him so great is that he's completely unpredictable. I don't think his drunkeness ever screwed anything up, hell, they made a good angle out of it even.

He was fired because of a clause in his contract that said if he was caught drinking he was out. He drank during the plane incident and was fired. Tons of other crazy shit happened and Hall falls asleep and he's fired. What the hell? Hennig was also fired after that I believe. Those guys were two of my favorites and they let them both go. Bastards.

[FreddyFan]

avenger, I agree with u. WWE workers are bastards. not the wrestlers but the other guys. U know the ones working in the WWE Headquarters. They fired two great wrestlers. Hennig and Hall. those damn fucking bastards.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
avenger, I agree with u. WWE workers are bastards. not the wrestlers but the other guys. U know the ones working in the WWE Headquarters. They fired two great wrestlers. Hennig and Hall. those damn fucking bastards.

Yes, I agree. Sometimes the behind the scenes guys are idiots (especially the writers).

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
I know all of this, that's what makes him so great is that he's completely unpredictable. I don't think his drunkeness ever screwed anything up, hell, they made a good angle out of it even.


Wasn't it WCW that made an angle out of it and not the WWF?

Also, we don't know the whole story. I know he had a history of not making meetings because of his alcohol problems. If you had an employee that did things like that and wasn't essential to your business, you'd fire him to. I don't blame Vince for that; however, I do blame him for putting his roided ass and his ugly daughter on TV all the damn time. They're both useless. At least Shane can do physical things to add to the show. Then again, I have pretty much stopped watching the WWF since they fucked up the ECW/WCW angle. THe company has become shit without competition to push it IMO.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Wasn't it WCW that made an angle out of it and not the WWF?

Also, we don't know the whole story. I know he had a history of not making meetings because of his alcohol problems. If you had an employee that did things like that and wasn't essential to your business, you'd fire him to. I don't blame Vince for that; however, I do blame him for putting his roided ass and his ugly daughter on TV all the damn time. They're both useless. At least Shane can do physical things to add to the show. Then again, I have pretty much stopped watching the WWF since they fucked up the ECW/WCW angle. THe company has become shit without competition to push it IMO.

It was WCW, the angle was Hall vs. Nash. I loved WCW and will always miss it.:( I think Hall was essential for the business though, I mean they pretty much disbanded the newly reformed NWO after they fired him. Big mistake.

You are right about Shane. He is an amazing talent. You are also right about the WCW/ECW angle. That was the biggest fuck-up of all time. What a waste.

[_Leatha_Face_]

i loved the wcw i watched it every monday night i love scott hall he was the koolest IMO and nash rocked to but when they split the nwo into 2 different kinds it all started to fall apart but lemme say that the ultimate nWo would be HALL, Nash, Sting, Steiner, DDP, and Hogan but when WcW was up and running i hardly ever watched the WWF, but now the WWE iz for shit i kant even keep up with it no more

[FreddyFan]

Shane McMahon is a great wrestler. He would definitely fit in with the NWA-TNA with all of his insane stunts. Does anybody agree?

[AUSTIN316426808]

YEAH HE WOULD FIT IN THERE NICELY BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
Shane McMahon is a great wrestler. He would definitely fit in with the NWA-TNA with all of his insane stunts. Does anybody agree?

I could see him in the X division. They could rekindle his fued with X-Pac and put on a helluva match that I know they are capable of.

[AUSTIN316426808]

AUSTIN KICKED HALL AND NASH'S ASS AT WRESTLEMANIA 18.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
AUSTIN KICKED HALL AND NASH'S ASS AT WRESTLEMANIA 18.

Tell me you don't still think wrestling is real, right?:)

[AUSTIN316426808]

HELL NO WHERE THE HELL YOU GET THAT IDEA FROM?

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
HELL NO WHERE THE HELL YOU GET THAT IDEA FROM?

From what you posted a minute ago. Just hoping you didn't really think, in what I like to call real life, that Austin could take two huge dudes.

By the way, who do you think the toughest wrestler would be in real life? I mean if they ever did get into a huge brawl who would come out on top?

My vote is probably Sean O'haire or Goldberg...maybe even Angle.

[MichaelMyers]

I have a question. A couple of years ago, did the WWF merge with the WCW? I remember Shane McMahon revealing it on the WCW program on TNT and a bunch of wrestlers then came to Raw Is War, etc. Was that another "angle" (in wrestlespeak) ? Is there still no longer a WCW?

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
I have a question. A couple of years ago, did the WWF merge with the WCW? I remember Shane McMahon revealing it on the WCW program on TNT and a bunch of wrestlers then came to Raw Is War, etc. Was that another "angle" (in wrestlespeak) ? Is there still no longer a WCW?

Vince bought them out and made a crappy angle around it. WCW...no longer exists. I promised myself I wouldn't cry.:(

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
By the way, who do you think the toughest wrestler would be in real life? I mean if they ever did get into a huge brawl who would come out on top?

My vote is probably Sean O'haire or Goldberg...maybe even Angle.

"My vote is probably Sean O'haire or Goldberg...maybe even Angle."

BWAAAAAAAAAAA! Even as an announcer, Taz would still beat the shit out of Goldberg in a real fight!

Sorry guys, but Kurt Angle would beat the shit out of just about anyone in the WWF right now. As could Brock (whatever his name is).

My lord, I guarantee you Nash would whip Goldberg's ass in a real fight. Goldberg got his ass kicked a couple times in practice by Falcon players. He is all image compared to true bad asses LMFAO!

Saturn would have beat the hell out of Goldberg if given a chance. Look up the wrestlers martial arts history and you'd be surprised on many of them.

[MichaelMyers]

Shawn Michaels is probably a wuss in real life. :cool:

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
Shawn Michaels is probably a wuss in real life. :cool:

Yes, he is. However, he is still one of the two best wrestlers (Flair the other) I've ever seen in my life.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Yes, he is. However, he is still one of the two best wrestlers (Flair the other) I've ever seen in my life.

Wait, how can you just say that matter-of-factly? Have you sparred with the guy? Haha.

And why did you say "sorry guys" about Angle? We both agree on that.:confused:

I left off Saturn cuz he hasn't been around in a while. I know he's an ex-ranger so he can surely kick ass. O'Haire does the tuff-man competitions though. So that's why I included him.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
Wait, how can you just say that matter-of-factly? Have you sparred with the guy? Haha.

And why did you say "sorry guys" about Angle? We both agree on that.:confused:

I left off Saturn cuz he hasn't been around in a while. I know he's an ex-ranger so he can surely kick ass. O'Haire does the tuff-man competitions though. So that's why I included him.

1. What does sparring have to do regarding is someone is a better fake wrestler?

2. You gave Angle as a third choice, as I saw it. Angle would beat the hell out of Goldberg with ease. Ask the Giant about going one-on-one with Brock and Angle. I could keep on going regarding this. ;)

3. Tough Man doesn't mean jack. I've beaten up guys that have won matches in that, and gotten my ass kicked by others that never fought in it. That only considers your HANDS in a fight. If you mean a pure boxing match, then Angle wouldn't beat many guys in the WWF. I assumed you meant pure fighting ability.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
1. What does sparring have to do regarding is someone is a better fake wrestler?

2. You gave Angle as a third choice, as I saw it. Angle would beat the hell out of Goldberg with ease. Ask the Giant about going one-on-one with Brock and Angle. I could keep on going regarding this. ;)

3. Tough Man doesn't mean jack. I've beaten up guys that have won matches in that, and gotten my ass kicked by others that never fought in it. That only considers your HANDS in a fight. If you mean a pure boxing match, then Angle wouldn't beat many guys in the WWF. I assumed you meant pure fighting ability.

1. First off, no one was talking about fake wrestling. We were talking about real life. MichaelMyers said "I bet Shawn Michaels is a wuss in real life." You said "Yes, he is."

2. Ok, I'll ask the Giant the next time I see him.

3. You lost me. I see that you are a law student so you obviously like arguing. So I'm gonna leave it at that...especially since you beaten up guys who were in Tough Man comps.:)

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
1. First off, no one was talking about fake wrestling. We were talking about real life. MichaelMyers said "I bet Shawn Michaels is a wuss in real life." You said "Yes, he is."

2. Ok, I'll ask the Giant the next time I see him.

3. You lost me. I see that you are a law student so you obviously like arguing. So I'm gonna leave it at that...especially since you beaten up guys who were in Tough Man comps.:)

1. I stated HBK was a wuss in real life. Go read my response. I then threw in that although he is a big pussy, he is still one of the top two pro wrestlers (both are wusses in real life) I've ever seen. You then replied questioning my statement regarding Shawn. I never said Shawn could beat ass in real life. ;)

2. Do that. :p

3. Yes, I do like arguing lol. However, being in tough man contests don't mean much. That is basically non-skilled boxing contests. That doesn't factor into real life fighting (like I assumed was the original question). When you take away your legs and any holds, that takes away most true fighting. That was my only response to that issue. I wasn't trying to pump up the fact I've beaten up some tough man contestents (lord knows I wouldn't admit non-tough men have beat me in fights lol).

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
1. I stated HBK was a wuss in real life. Go read my response. I then threw in that although he is a big pussy, he is still one of the top two pro wrestlers (both are wusses in real life) I've ever seen. You then replied questioning my statement regarding Shawn. I never said Shawn could beat ass in real life. ;)

You're completely not understanding me. I just wanted to know what information you were basing your story on that HBK is such a pussy? Now I want to know why Flair is such a "real life" pussy too? I know you never said Shawn could beat ass in real life, I never questioned that either. I just questioned why you think he's such a pussy. MichaelMyers suggested he might be a pussy and you said "yes, he is." like you knew the guy. I questioned why you said that, what do you know about the guy that makes him such a real life wuss? Just alot of miscommunication going on.

[avenger00soul]

One more thing: I used the tough man thing generically. I didn't mean just boxing matches. O’Haire has gone undefeated in shootfighting tournaments, kickboxing and boxing matches. I should have specified that. I think he is a certifiable badass.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
You're completely not understanding me. I just wanted to know what information you were basing your story on that HBK is such a pussy? Now I want to know why Flair is such a "real life" pussy too? I know you never said Shawn could beat ass in real life, I never questioned that either. I just questioned why you think he's such a pussy. MichaelMyers suggested he might be a pussy and you said "yes, he is." like you knew the guy. I questioned why you said that, what do you know about the guy that makes him such a real life wuss? Just alot of miscommunication going on.

Ah okay. Damn the Internet. It always creates miscommunication! lol

1. HBK has never been known as a tough guy in real life. Nash, and others, have saved his ass in documented fights in the industry when fights occur in bars. I love Shawn more than any wrestler (before his new version) ever, but he isn't exactly a bad ass.

2. Flair had to be saved in fights regarding jealous competitors many times in the NWA and early WCW. He'll never be confused with a true bad ass real life fighter in the industry.

3. This whole "wuss" verse "bad ass fighter" definition really depends on our measuring stick. Perhaps we should clarify that before sticking wrestlers into certain categories. I was using certain wrestlers against others in the industry. If we mean them in all out fights against regular people like us, or against the regular Joe in tough man contests, that is a much lower standard than in the league of most other wrestlers and true real life bad asses that compete in world martial arts competitions.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Ah okay. Damn the Internet. It always creates miscommunication! lol

1. HBK has never been known as a tough guy in real life. Nash, and others, have saved his ass in documented fights in the industry when fights occur in bars. I love Shawn more than any wrestler (before his new version) ever, but he isn't exactly a bad ass.

2. Flair had to be saved in fights regarding jealous competitors many times in the NWA and early WCW. He'll never be confused with a true bad ass real life fighter in the industry.

3. This whole "wuss" verse "bad ass fighter" definition really depends on our measuring stick. Perhaps we should clarify that before sticking wrestlers into certain categories. I was using certain wrestlers against others in the industry. If we mean them in all out fights against regular people like us, or against the regular Joe in tough man contests, that is a much lower standard than in the league of most other wrestlers and true real life bad asses that compete in world martial arts competitions.

See, that's all I wanted to know. I've never heard about these bar fights. I see where you are coming from now. Did you see what I meant about O'haire though?

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
See, that's all I wanted to know. I've never heard about these bar fights. I see where you are coming from now. Did you see what I meant about O'haire though?

O'Haire looks like a bad ass, but I've never heard anything regarding him in real life fights. Over the years, I've noticed looks can be deceiving. In ECW you wouldn't believe who was the biggest bad ass in the ENTIRE organization. It was Tommy Rich (think that was his FBI name). He was in the FBI and had curly hair. He looks like a pussy, but he beat the shit out of any ECW fighter that messed with him, and when he was in the WWF and WCW (long before ECW) he beat the hell out of several wrestlers. I would have never guessed him as a bad ass, but even Taz and Saturn would stay away from him when he was drunk in ECW. Now THAT is some "bad ass" respect. :eek:

[NirvanaNole]

Hell, now that I think about it, I think Rich was the old guy. Who was the curly haird guy that tagged with Guito (sp?) alot? That is who I mean. I can't think of his name. I think Rich may have been the old guy that never wrestled now that I think about it.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Hell, now that I think about it, I think Rich was the old guy. Who was the curly haird guy that tagged with Guito (sp?) alot? That is who I mean. I can't think of his name. I think Rich may have been the old guy that never wrestled now that I think about it.

Tracy Smothers???

[NirvanaNole]

That's him!!!!!! That guy supposedly beat the hell out of any wrestler he ever fought. You wouldn't believe it looking at him, but apparantly he kicked everyone else's ass in fights. I just crack up picturing him and knowing all those big guys were scared of him. LMFAO!!!!!!

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
That's him!!!!!! That guy supposedly beat the hell out of any wrestler he ever fought. You wouldn't believe it looking at him, but apparantly he kicked everyone else's ass in fights. I just crack up picturing him and knowing all those big guys were scared of him. LMFAO!!!!!!

That's awesome. I totally saw Sabu throw his ass through a table in Georgetown. Someone also threw a coke and hit him in the head. The security guys thought it was my friends and I (we were the only college students there). Glad ole Tracy didn't think it was us.:(

[FreddyFan]

I'd like to say something regarding Austin kicking Nash and Hall's ass at Wrestlemaini X8.

1. It's not real.
2. Austin may have won the match but he got his ass kicked badly. He was acting like such a pussy in that match it isn't funny.
That is all. Oh, I would also like to say that Mark henry annoys me. They say he's the world's strongest man. Sure maybe he won the competition one year but thats one fuckin year. men win that thing every year. So he can't say he's the world's strondest man.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by avenger00soul
That's awesome. I totally saw Sabu throw his ass through a table in Georgetown. Someone also threw a coke and hit him in the head. The security guys thought it was my friends and I (we were the only college students there). Glad ole Tracy didn't think it was us.:(

Yeah, that is probably a good thing. Although, I'm sure he was used to it. The sad thing is, judging by his looks, that would be a wrestler I'd talk shit to. As it turns out, that would be one of the last wrestlers I'd want to do that to. Thank God I was never drunk and in that position. I wouldn't have fared too well against that guy. :(

"One more thing: I used the tough man thing generically. I didn't mean just boxing matches. O’Haire has gone undefeated in shootfighting tournaments, kickboxing and boxing matches. I should have specified that. I think he is a certifiable badass."

Okay, I went back and found that quote. I have no idea about any of O'Haire's fighting background. If he has been in many shootfighting tournaments and done that, I wouldn't want to piss off that roided up beast! lol
:eek:

[AUSTIN316426808]

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOUGH AS IN TOTAL FIGHTING ABILITY OR TOUGH AS IN HOW MUCH PAIN HE CAN TAKE. CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ASNSWER THE QUESTION TILL I UNDERSTAND IT.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOUGH AS IN TOTAL FIGHTING ABILITY OR TOUGH AS IN HOW MUCH PAIN HE CAN TAKE. CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ASNSWER THE QUESTION TILL I UNDERSTAND IT.

Well judging from the huge-ass conversation myself and NirvanaNole had :D I would just say answer with who you think is a total badass (fighting ability and intelligence, and tolerance of pain and determination...and whatever else makes a good fighter). I'm still saying O'haire and Angle but I think he convinced my to drop Goldberg.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOUGH AS IN TOTAL FIGHTING ABILITY OR TOUGH AS IN HOW MUCH PAIN HE CAN TAKE. CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ASNSWER THE QUESTION TILL I UNDERSTAND IT.

I was referring to who would win if two guys fought for real. If we were just talking about who could take the most pain, Mick Foley and Terry Funk would win with ease.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
I was referring to who would win if two guys fought for real. If we were just talking about who could take the most pain, Mick Foley and Terry Funk would win with ease.

I'm surprised either of those fellows can still walk. I have to throw Sabu on that list as well. Crazy mofo's.

[FreddyFan]

Stone Cold's Team lost god damn it. No more Stone Cold. Screw Eric Bischoff. Raw is not going to be the same.:(

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
Stone Cold's Team lost god damn it. No more Stone Cold. Screw Eric Bischoff. Raw is not going to be the same.:(

Hell, that's the best news I've heard all night. Thanks FreddyFan. You know his ass will come back sometime though.

[D'Lo]

Cool! John Cena got the deciding pin for his team! Word life!

[FreddyFan]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Mr. McMahon just buried the Undertaker alive thanx to the help of his little brother Kane.:eek: Damn bitch!

[D'Lo]

The plan is that the Undertaker goes away for a couple of months (Wrestlemania XX?) and then comes back as his original 'dead man' gimmick.

[NirvanaNole]

I didn't even realize there was a PPV tonight.

[MichaelMyers]

Kane was ten times better with the mask.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE THIS BUT EVER SINCE KANE TOOK THE MASK OFF HE'S BEEN BEATIN THE FUCK OUTTA PEOPLE.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE THIS BUT EVER SINCE KANE TOOK THE MASK OFF HE'S BEEN BEATIN THE FUCK OUTTA PEOPLE.

True, they have definitely made him a more serious character since his "unveiling."

[AUSTIN316426808]

I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MASK I JUST THINK IT'S THE WAY THEY WRITE OUT HIS STORY LINES WHEN HE'S ACTING LIKE ''THE BIG RED MACHINE'' HE'S GOOD AND WHEN HE'S TALKING TO THE ''KANANITES HE GETS HIS ASS KICKED.

[FangoFan]

My fav. wrestlers of all-time are:

#1 The Ultimate Warrior

#2 Mankind

# 3 Kane

[FreddyFan]

Kane is definitely better without his mask on. I just don't believe he was ever burned. I mean where are the scars or where is his skin underneath him. The only reason he ever worn the mask is because he is ugly. He probably isn't ugly , they probably put makeup on him.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
I just don't believe he was ever burned. I mean where are the scars or where is his skin underneath him.

Hmm, wrestling is fake. It was just a storyline. ;)

He was also Isaac Yankum, D.D.S. and the fake Diesel.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
Hmm, wrestling is fake. It was just a storyline. ;)

He was also Isaac Yankum, D.D.S. and the fake Diesel.

Yes, wrestling has no past. Once upon a time he was burned over 90% of his body and he couldn't talk. Now he appears to be just fine and can talk all he wants too. Anyone remember when X-Pac just took that stupid voice box thing from him and said you don't need that anymore and then Kane could talk just fine? WTF?? Funny as hell.

Oh yeah, I just saw Jackie's nipple on Raw. Her boob totally just fell out on national tv.

[AUSTIN316426808]

KANE IS WAS THAT FAKE DEISEL WHO JR ANNOUNCED LIKE 5 YEARS AGO.

[FreddyFan]

My friend told me that Kane was actually the Undertaker when he first came to the wwe. I don't believe him. Hell, I barely believe any of the shit that comes out of his mouth. Just in case u were wondering his name is Devon.

[MichaelMyers]

So who thinks Austin is gone forever? :p

[FreddyFan]

He'll come back in like 5 years. It's gonna be a long wait. I'll forget about him soon. Can't wait till Edge comes back. Better be soon.

[AUSTIN316426808]

AUSTIN IS'NT GOING TO BE GONE FOR THAT LONG DON'T BELIEVE ME GO TO WWW.WRESTLINGATTITUDE.COM (http://) THEY TELL YOU THE WHOLE STORY AND ALOT OF OTHER STUFF.

[FreddyFan]

Raw Roullette is tonight. Hell Yeah!:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

AFTER SURVIVOR SERIES RAW'S RATINGS WENT DOWN FROM 15 MILLION TO 3.6 MILLION.

ONE REASON ONE REASON ONLY.

AUSTIN WAS'NT SUPPOSE TO BE THERE.

[damien]

i can do with out austin he's not a wrestler he's simply a character. true fan's of pro wrestling watch wrestling good wrestling not this bra and panties crap. i mean it's fun but when i wan to watch wrestling that's what i want to see. i can appreciate the entertainment part of it but wwe just go's overboard.

[AUSTIN316426808]

YOU KNOW THAT NONE OF THIS (TNA-WWE-OVW ECT. ECT.)IS ACTUALLY PRO WRESTLING PRO WRESTLING IS THE OLYMPICS AND WHERE EVER THE HELL GRECO ROMAN WRESTLING TAKES PLACE. BUT AS FOR WWE AND ALL THE OTHER WRESTLING PROMOTIONS IT'S JUST FOR FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT.

I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT AUSTIN IS THE BEST WRESTLER IN WWE HISTORY.

[damien]

no aj styles, rey mysterio junior, jerry lynn, rob van damn, ricky steamboat. that my friend is wrestling. if you consider austin to be the best you are what i call the occasional wrestling fan who appreciates the entertainment part of it. because that is what steve austin is if you are telling me that yo like him because of his "wrestling" ability i really don't know what to tell you? because he is not by any mean's a great wrestler. he got over because of his acting because he is good at the entertainment part of it. that's all.

[FreddyFan]

damien u are dead wrong. sure austin was great at acting but he was also very good at wrestling. IMO he is the best wrestler and will be remembered. He is already in the legends book. He made history. And that's the bottom line, cause Stone Cold said so.

[damien]

ok can u name four moves that stone cold does that is impressive.................... no i didnt think so. either you guy's don't know what true good wrestling is or you never really watched it. do u ever hear people say wow that stone cold did one hell of a dropkick last night? no u hear man he drink's them beer's like they were nothin or did you hear what he said to vince mcmahon. the truth is and you know it you like him because of his attitude and his character that by no mean's make 's you a great wreslter. im sure you think hulk hogan is a great wreslter too? another example of someone who wasn't great at wrestling but was extremely popular because of his look and his character.

[FreddyFan]

shut the fuck up damien u cocksucker. I'll name u four moves that stone cold does that are cool.
1. Stone Cold Stunner
2.boston crab
3.lou thez press
4. sleeper hold
So there. now shut your god damn fucking mouth u assclown.by way, hulk hogan was cool. sure he wasn't that good of a wrestler but he could hulk up and make the fans go wild.

[NirvanaNole]

damien,

Did you ever see Austin wrestle as Stunning Steve in WCW (think it was also still NWA when he first started wrestling there)? He was a great wrestler before injuries. He could pull off just about any wrestling move that did not involve high flying.

I noticed you only listed (with the possible exception of Steamboat) guys that can do incredible high impact physical acts, but most (again, with the exception of Steamboat) have no idea how to work the psychology side of a match.

Flair was the greatest wrestler of all time because he could work the psychology side and the pace of the match better than anyone else that has ever lived. This also applies to HBK when he was easily the best North American wrestler in the 90s. This is where Austin now excels. No one in the business can work the psychology side of a match like Austin. THAT, my friend, is wrestling.

There is more to wrestling than just performing gymnastics with another person like Van Damn does. Van Damn wouldn't know how to work the mental aspect of a match even if Flair spent a year personally trying to teach him.

[FreddyFan]

NirvanNole is completely right. Stone Cold, Ric Flair, and Shawn Micheals were so good with physical wrestling. It would take RVD a long time to learn physical wrestling. So there damien, now shut your mouth.

[friday13thfan]

I think Jason X was by far the best Jason movie

[FreddyFan]

did u accidently press the post reply button? Those buttons are to damn close.

[freddy13]

my fav.wrestler.it is undertaker hhh stone cold

[freddy13]

the undertaker ,hhh,brock lesnar,kane,kevin nash

[damien]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
shut the fuck up damien u cocksucker. I'll name u four moves that stone cold does that are cool.
1. Stone Cold Stunner
2.boston crab
3.lou thez press
4. sleeper hold
So there. now shut your god damn fucking mouth u assclown.by way, hulk hogan was cool. sure he wasn't that good of a wrestler but he could hulk up and make the fans go wild. oh ya those moves are so damn hard. that's exactly what im talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he does nothing that set's him apart form the rest. what's up with the verbal assault? are u like 12? i didn't swear at you dude ,what's your problem? you think stone cold is great i don't who care's. ask any serious fan and he will understand exactly where im comin from. stone cold is not a wrestler. but i will agree that when he was in his wcw and ecw day's he was good.

[FreddyFan]

first stone cold is a good wrestler. second I am 12. Third let's talk about somebody else.

[damien]

ok

[FreddyFan]

how about we talk about Rodney Mack. Where the hell is he?:confused: anybody know?

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by damien
ask any serious fan and he will understand exactly where im comin from. stone cold is not a wrestler.

I see you have little regard for ring psychology, damien. You might as well just watch gymnastics with some of the wrestlers you listed. It appears obvious that you equate high flying moves as what a wrestler should be, and do not take into account how that wrestler can work a match. There is not a wrestler alive that can pace a match better than Austin, nor use ring psychology like he can.

Perhaps you should see interviews of what Flair, HBK, and Bret Hart think of Austin. They've all stated he is as good as any wrestler within the last 10 years when it comes to wrestling a complete match. You do not have to perform a high impact move from the top rope in order to wrestle a great match. But then again, perhaps those three wouldn't qualify as "any serious fan" in your book.

[damien]

ok ok nirvana i completly understand what you are trying to say. you obviously know what you are talking about. i will admit i enjoy watching the high flyers and high risk wrestlers more than anything. maybe that is why i don't really care for austin. while i do respect him he is good at what he does but when ever i watch him wrestle all i see him do is punch, kick, a occasional clothesline. the gorrila press what ever the hell you call it when he jumps on the guy and start's punching . im not saying he has to do a high flying move but he realy doesn't perform any outstanding(wrestling moves)

[FreddyFan]

damien does have a point there. IMO I think Austin should try to some high flying moves. now that would be cool.

[damien]

well i don't think he can do any high flying stuff he is falling apart. too many injuries.

[FreddyFan]

i know that damien but if he could do some high flying moves wouldn't that be cool?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by damien
no aj styles, rey mysterio junior, jerry lynn, rob van damn, ricky steamboat. that my friend is wrestling. if you consider austin to be the best you are what i call the occasional wrestling fan who appreciates the entertainment part of it. because that is what steve austin is if you are telling me that yo like him because of his "wrestling" ability i really don't know what to tell you? because he is not by any mean's a great wrestler. he got over because of his acting because he is good at the entertainment part of it. that's all.

WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOOD AT WRESTLING IS NOT REAL IT DOES'NT MATTER IF HE CAN DO A PERFECT DROP KICK OR IF HE CAN'T EVEN DO A HEADLOCK PROPERLY HE HAS BEEN IN SOME OF THE TOP MATCHES IN WWE HISTORY AND YOU'RE RIGHT MAYBE HE CAN'T DO WHAT RIC FLAIR OR ROB VAN DAM CAN DO BUT HE STILL PUTS ON A GREAT MATCH WITH THE SKILLS HE HAS JUST LIKE THE UNDERTAKER HE CAN'T WRESTLE HE JUST GOES OUT TO THE RING AND STARTS SWINGING HIS FIST BUT HIS MATCHES ARE GREAT LIKE THE RIVALRY HE HAD WITH MANKIND THAT'S ONE PERSON WHO DOES'NT HAVE A OUNCE OF ATHLETIC ABILITY BUT HIS MATCHES ARE GOOD AS WELL CAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO PUT ON A SHOW AND THAT'S ALL IT IS IS A SHOW SO WHO CARES WHO HAS THE BEST ARSENAL OF MOVES OR WHO CAN DO THE BEST DROP KICK OR SUPLEX IT'S ENTERTAINMENT AND STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN IS ENTERTAINING BOTH ON THE MICROPHONE AND IN THE RING WHICH IS WHY HE IS A SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION AND THE MOST POPULAR WRESTLER EVER BESIDES PROBABLY HULK HOGAN WHY DO YOU THINK BILLY GUNN HAS BEEN IN THE WWE FOR TEN YEARS AND HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING MORE THAN BE A TAG TEAM COMPETITER HE'S GOT A IC REIGN AND A KING OF THE RING WIN UNDER HIS BELT BUT THAT'S NOT MUCH FOR TEN YEARS. RIC FLAIR SIXTEEN TIME WORLD CHAMPION WHY CAUSE HE'S A FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND TECHNICAL WRESTLER NO CAUSE HE'S ENTERTAINING HOW MANY TITLE REIGNS YOU HAVE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WRESTLING ABILITY IT'S WEATHER YOU CAN ENTERTAIN OR NOT SERIOUSLY CAN YOU PICTURE MARK HENRY OR STEVEN RICHARDS WITH THE TITLE CAUSE I SURE CAN'T (NOT EXAMPLES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT GOOD WRESTLERS) THAT WOULD BE BORING AS HELL THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY AUSTIN,TAKER,HOGAN ECT. ECT. ARE ALWAYS IN THE TITLE PICTURE CAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST ENTERTAINING.


NOW AFTER ALL OF THAT I GUESS THE POINT IS WHO CARES ABOUT GOOD WRESTLING I WANT A SHOW.

[FreddyFan]

damn austin! u proved a damn good point. hell u still have me in shock. I never thought of it that way. good speech.

[NirvanaNole]

damien,

That's fine if you prefer high flying wrestlers, but I think you should be able to admit other styles of wrestling. There are many different areas a wrestler can be skilled at and be a good performer in the ring. Would you consider Flair, HBK, Hart, etc., good wrestlers? None of them are high flyers, but all of them know how to work a match. Same with Foley. He may be none for doing insane things, but he also knew how to work a match with the best of them.

But you're right, Austin's physical abilities aren't that great anymore. He was never a high flyer, but he used to be able to do any ground oriented move in wrestling when he was younger. Him and Pillman were amazing as a team. Unfortunately both had serious injuries and had to change their style. I think that forced both of them to develop their mic skills and ring psychology. They, and HBK/Flair, are probably my four favorite wrestlers of all time.

For the record, I do like Van Damn, Rey, etc., but none of them can work the emotional side of a match like Austin. I enjoy their matches for what they are, incredible physical acts that few men can do.

Also, I've hated Hogan with a passion since I was a little kid. We can agree on that point. Oddly, I used to love the Ultimate Warrior and he was only a tad better than Hogan in the ring lol.

[damien]

austin316............... my point exactly you want a show i want wrestling. and you obviously don't know what you are talking about because there is nothin fake about wrestling. by you saying what you said in your last post just proves my original point you don't know what wrestling . that is why you favor guy's like austin he's a entertainer that's it!!!!!!!!! he was in his early day's very good but not anymore.

[damien]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
damien,

That's fine if you prefer high flying wrestlers, but I think you should be able to admit other styles of wrestling. There are many different areas a wrestler can be skilled at and be a good performer in the ring. Would you consider Flair, HBK, Hart, etc., good wrestlers? None of them are high flyers, but all of them know how to work a match. Same with Foley. He may be none for doing insane things, but he also knew how to work a match with the best of them.

But you're right, Austin's physical abilities aren't that great anymore. He was never a high flyer, but he used to be able to do any ground oriented move in wrestling when he was younger. Him and Pillman were amazing as a team. Unfortunately both had serious injuries and had to change their style. I think that forced both of them to develop their mic skills and ring psychology. They, and HBK/Flair, are probably my four favorite wrestlers of all time.

For the record, I do like Van Damn, Rey, etc., but none of them can work the emotional side of a match like Austin. I enjoy their matches for what they are, incredible physical acts that few men can do.

Also, I've hated Hogan with a passion since I was a little kid. We can agree on that point. Oddly, I used to love the Ultimate Warrior and he was only a tad better than Hogan in the ring lol. yeah that's what i was trying to say in the first place austin is very limited to what he can do, he get's over because of his character. it is so obvious why can't you guy' understnd this? and yes i d appreciate guy's like flair and hbk and hart. but austin on the other hand ......... drink's his beer's uses the middle finger does his punches his kicks and hten finally the stuner thats all he does.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by damien
yeah that's what i was trying to say in the first place austin is very limited to what he can do, he get's over because of his character. it is so obvious why can't you guy' understnd this? and yes i d appreciate guy's like flair and hbk and hart. but austin on the other hand ......... drink's his beer's uses the middle finger does his punches his kicks and hten finally the stuner thats all he does.

You're commenting on his interviews and not his actual matches. How many PPV matches have you seen of Austin over the years? If you think his matches are purely what you described, then you're letting your personal feelings on him cloud your judgment. The man sells moves better than anyone you listed (even including Steamboat in his prime).

Seriously, go rent the Wrestlemania he lost to Bret Hart when he passed out. If you can watch that match and still think all he does is what you just mentioned, you're nuts, Damien. ;)

You have to remember Austin needs to have a decent opponent to have a chance at a great match. He hasn't exactly been able to wrestle a good wrestler recently.


On another note, what do you think of Chris Benoit? He can't do many high risk moves, so I'm curious to see your opinion on him. Is he a better wrestler than RVD?

[FreddyFan]

I like Benoit. he's a pretty good wrestler. I can't say if he is better than RVD. they had a terrific match at summerslam. to bad they're on different brands.

[damien]

ok maybe i should have been a little more clear on my statement. in the past couple of year's austin suck's. yes that mania match against hart was classic. i do like benoit but i don't like him any better then i like rvd.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by damien
austin316............... my point exactly you want a show i want wrestling. and you obviously don't know what you are talking about because there is nothin fake about wrestling. by you saying what you said in your last post just proves my original point you don't know what wrestling . that is why you favor guy's like austin he's a entertainer that's it!!!!!!!!! he was in his early day's very good but not anymore.

IF IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH WRESTLING OR FOOTBALL I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND THE WRESTLING INSIDE OF THE MATCH IS REAL BUT AS FOR WHO WINS AND WHO GETS TITLES IT'S ALL SCRIPTED.

AND BACK TO YOUR HIGH FLYING ARGUEMENT WHICH IMO IS RETARDED CAUSE JUST CAUSE SOMEONE DOES'NT RUN UP THE ROPES ALL DAY DOES'NT MEAN HE CAN'T WRESTLE PERFECT EXAMPLE RIC FLAIR WHAT'S IT BEEN ALMOST 30 YEARS HE'S BEEN WRESTLING AND NOT ONCE HAS HE HIT A ''HIGH RISK MANUVER'' WATCH RAW AND YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYTIME HE GETS UP ON THE ROPES EITHER KING OR JR MENTION IT.

[FreddyFan]

does anybody like Big Show? I don't. me and my friend friday13thfan always call him the Big Ho.:p

[damien]

i never said if you didnt do high risk moves you werent a good wrestler,. anyways i seen ring of honor live saturday and it's better then wwe in my book.

[FreddyFan]

avenger, since u like wcw like me, do u have wcw?nwo revenge for the n64. I do. the game rocks. sure it really doesn't have any special matches but who cares? it's still a great game. one of the best wrestling games ever made.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by FreddyFan
avenger, since u like wcw like me, do u have wcw?nwo revenge for the n64. I do. the game rocks. sure it really doesn't have any special matches but who cares? it's still a great game. one of the best wrestling games ever made.

I used to play the hell out of that game. My fav. wrestling game ever was No Mercy. I know it was a WWF game, but I created damn near every WCW wrestler that was around at the time. I even made a kick-ass Fit Finlay.:D

[FreddyFan]

I know. No Mercy is a great game. one time me and my friend were playing it and the funniest thing happened. i was big boss man and he was stone cold. i was laying on the floor. he goes to the top rope and does an elbow drop and hits me right in the nuts and picks up the win. it was hilarious. the funny thing is is when I got hit I started flipping out like crazy. hilarious.

[massacre man]

Originally posted by friday13thfan
I think Jason X was by far the best Jason movie ^friday13thfan's first post^

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by massacre man
^friday13thfan's first post^

yeah i was trying to make a tread but cllciked on new thread by mistake lol

[massacre man]

Originally posted by friday13thfan
yeah i was trying to make a tread but cllciked on new thread by mistake lol lol welcome back

[natas]

My fav are: Cena, Undertaker, Van Damn, Lita, and The Hurricane....he makes me laugh!

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by natas
My fav are: Cena, Undertaker, Van Damn, Lita, and The Hurricane....he makes me laugh!

i agree with all. mainly lita. theres is no female wrestler who can do hurricanerannas like shedoes and be so quick and graceful

[friday13thfan]

i knew he was faking injury all a long. when he got chokeslamed of the ledge he propaly landed on a mat or something

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by MD2
Oh I know. His neck injury resurfaced during the "stunt" and was told to tone it down.

I used to help put the rings together at Nassau Colleseum on Long Island New York before I moved to Florida, so I try to keep up on the behind the scenes part.

your lucky man. im going to a smackdown thing on aug8

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by friday13thfan
your lucky man. im going to a smackdown thing on aug8

in the new hersey arena in PA