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bwind22

08-09-2004, 01:39 PM

Sure. It basically says that his 'hero' image is largely inflated and not accurate. Of his platoon, only 1 is actually standing by him right now saying that he was a hero, the rest have threatened to sue him if he tries to mention them. It also says he received 3 purple hearts in 4 1/2 months, but 2 of his injuries were self inflicted. Apparently, 3 purple hearts = discharge, so it insinuates that he injured himself twice to fill the quota and get out of the military. He then came back to the U.S. and protested the war. He even wrote an anti-government book, which he has recently tried to buy up every copy of, so that it doesn't get out to the public. He is honored in a museum of communist Vietnam as a 'hero'. Etc...

There's a lot of info in the film, and I'm sure I skipped some stuff, but it's a good read if you can get to it. All stuff you will never see on the news, that's for sure.

Egekrusher

08-09-2004, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by bwind22
Sure. It basically says that his 'hero' image is largely inflated and not accurate. Of his platoon, only 1 is actually standing by him right now saying that he was a hero, the rest have threatened to sue him if he tries to mention them. It also says he received 3 purple hearts in 4 1/2 months, but 2 of his injuries were self inflicted. Apparently, 3 purple hearts = discharge, so it insinuates that he injured himself twice to fill the quota and get out of the military. He then came back to the U.S. and protested the war. He even wrote an anti-government book, which he has recently tried to buy up every copy of, so that it doesn't get out to the public. He is honored in a museum of communist Vietnam as a 'hero'. Etc...

There's a lot of info in the film, and I'm sure I skipped some stuff, but it's a good read if you can get to it. All stuff you will never see on the news, that's for sure.

Peachy.

So really, it comes down to picking the lesser of two evils. We already know how bad Bush can be, are we prepared to find out how bad Kerry can be?

I am.

bwind22

08-09-2004, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Peachy.

So really, it comes down to picking the lesser of two evils. We already know how bad Bush can be, are we prepared to find out how bad Kerry can be?

I am.

Yeah, it comes down to the lesser of two evils, but we all already knew that.

Damn our 2 party system.

meetthecreeper

08-09-2004, 06:28 PM

You all do realize that there is more than a 2 parties running out there. Lets say for example that 25% of the american public votes Libertarian or Green Party or Populist or some shit like that, my personal opinion is that it would scare the crap out of these career politicians who think that they are pretty safe in their job. Personally I will no longer vote for the lesser of 2 evils anymore. Yes maybe I am throwing my vote away, but if everyone that felt the way I do, it wouldnt be a throw away vote.

Vampenguin

08-09-2004, 06:33 PM

Well, Im gonna say what I want here....hopefully Je Suis Phenome says outta here....actually who cares?

This is why I love Canada....4 major parties!!! Plus the Grey one nobody cares about.....he he he.....Plus less confusing governement.....unless you cont listening to Cretien, Lol

g star

08-09-2004, 08:43 PM

george w bush is a dangerous man. i would vote for a hyena before i'd vote for him. kerry may not be the greatest but considering the alternative......... a multiple party system would be ideal but in this particular election i feel that it would be wise to vote bush out, even if you back nader. but what do i know. i'd rather watch freddy vs jason for the tenth time than watch a kerry/bush debate.

sugar shane

08-10-2004, 09:41 AM

I understand the point of the video, however, it still pretty much doesn't mean anything. Please, people- use your heads this election. The whole "lesser of two evils" thing... lol. We are in an
abusive relationship. The most important thing now is to end this abusive relationship. And we can't "not have a president". So we really have no choice but to stay with the guy that's abusing us or NOT stay with the guy that's abusing us. It's pretty simple.Somebody said that we already know how bad Bush can be and asked if we wanted to see how bad Kerry can be. Would you suggest that we stay with the guy who is beating us just because a new guy MIGHT beat us? No- we leave the jerk we are with and demand better treatment. Vote for the Green party, Libertarians, whoever- me, I'll go with the guy who actually stands a chance. I wasted a vote on Nader last time around, and if so many people hadn't done the same, maybe we'd never know how bad Bush can be. But then again,the son of the former CIA director and former 2 term VP and President just doesn't run for office and not win. At least not these good ol' Texas boys.

yourlastmistake

08-14-2004, 10:14 PM

KRUGERKID13

08-14-2004, 10:18 PM

yeah i saw that awhile back. Alot of people try and say bush hid during the war but in all actuality he was honorably discharged

Arioch

08-14-2004, 11:33 PM

So really, it comes down to picking the lesser of two evils. We already know how bad Bush can be, are we prepared to find out how bad Kerry can be?

Agreed....it CAN'T hold a candle to whats already been done in the last 4 years

NO MORE BULLSHIT

KRUGERKID13

08-14-2004, 11:36 PM

if you dont like how bush has been running it then leave

yourlastmistake

08-15-2004, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Arioch
Agreed....it CAN'T hold a candle to whats already been done in the last 4 years

NO MORE BULLSHIT

No more bullshit? Kerry is just full of it. Everything about him reeks of excrement.:D

WaR38

08-15-2004, 10:08 AM

Yeah lesser of two evils. Thats why I'm gonna be president at least I wouldn't lie thats what would get me in. "Yeah I did coke out of that midgets butt, but I have been saved and I am sorry" Thats all you have to say, even if you don't do coke.

Sam The Egg

08-15-2004, 10:43 AM

Before you vote for anybody at all, watch THIS video
http://www.jibjab.com/default.asp

hellfire1

08-15-2004, 11:30 AM

genius... pure genius :p

priceless find, sam.

Haunted

08-15-2004, 11:34 AM

So now that fascism is in vogue....

Aside from Kerry's final protest of the war, many Vietnam vets stand behind him as a war hero. Plus members of the military and even Republicans have discreditted the propaganda campaign against Kerry's service during Vietnam.

Having watched the Democratic National Convention, I happened to notice the copious amounts of Vets supporting Kerry.

Oh, and Creeper, you're not throwing away your vote. You're an American, my friend, there's no such concept. :)

meetthecreeper

08-15-2004, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Haunted

Oh, and Creeper, you're not throwing away your vote. You're an American, my friend, there's no such concept. :) [/B]

Yeah I know but the folks I vote for never seem to get anywhere, kind of makes me think of the Simpsons episode, Clinton and Dole are actually Kodos and Krang. "Its a 2 party system you have to vote for one of us." Lenny says, "Im voting for a 3rd party canidate." Kodos says "Go ahead throw your vote away." Pan to Ross Perot smashing his hat. Just think that its kind of funny that this is the best that we can do.

In the words of Homer Simpson, "Don't blame me I voted for Kodos."

yourlastmistake

08-15-2004, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
Before you vote for anybody at all, watch THIS video
http://www.jibjab.com/default.asp

LMFAO

I'll put that in favorites.

yourlastmistake

08-17-2004, 02:24 AM

michael moore

oh yeah........... fuck john kerry too.

yourlastmistake

08-18-2004, 05:49 PM

bush

KRUGERKID13

08-18-2004, 06:35 PM

long ive bush

nice pics

Tubalcain

08-18-2004, 07:58 PM

god help us then. what i find terribly sad is that we are so willing to vote for someone who is willing to send our family members thousands of miles away to die in a place that doesnt really want us there, spend billions of dollars on a war that never should have happened, and in doing so set up his vp's "former" company for the largest winfall in their history. and at the same time there are elderly people eating cat food, because they cant afford their medicine. there are children literally starving to death in this country, there are human beings living like animals and no one cares. 9/11 was horrible, but if you really wanted to do something about it, why not look a little harder at saudi arabia, where most of the cowards were from, and syria, and pakistan, where we know there are terrorists. if you wanted to do something about wmd, why not look at north korea, where we know for sure there are nukes. i mean, who are they trying to fool. if reagan and bush I hadn't endorsed bin ladin in the first place we wouldnt be in this situation. if they hadn't tried playing iran/iraq off each other we wouldn't be in this mess. people, we need to open our eyes and start looking around at whats really going on. our politicians are not our friends. if they really wanted to keep people from dying, why not make tobacco illegal. hundreds of thousands of people die each year due to tobacco related illness, but guess what, tobacco companies donate a lot of money to the powers that be, so it is overlooked. I'm sorry, i didn't mean to rant, but it just pisses me off sometimes. it's just not right.

KRUGERKID13

08-18-2004, 08:05 PM

guess what he never drafted anybody they signed up and are willing to fight for our country

Hate_Breeder

08-18-2004, 08:06 PM

I have some bush pics but im not at my house...:(

Je Suis Phnomne

08-19-2004, 07:25 AM

Heinz products

I checked and my bottle of Heinz catsup says "Product
of Canada"!

Guess I'll be checking out all the Heinz products at
the store! Shortly after reading the following e-mail
content, I happened to look at the label of a jar of
Heinz sandwich slice pickles.

Yep...."Made in Mexico."

Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry
keeps talking about.

U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up
shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs
with them. He is right, because that has happened.

However, he is trying to blame it on George W.! Bush.

As far as I know, Bush has not ! moved one factory out
of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.

That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife,Teresa
Heinz-Kerry.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own
32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific.

In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases
four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they
own 27 factories in North America, some of which are
in Mexico and the Caribbean.

I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost
their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries?

I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are
paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the
United States.

Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that
other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits
they did in the U.S.

Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company,
since he is married to the owner?

If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all
those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America?

Of course they won't.

They're making millions off that cheap labor.

Sam The Egg

08-24-2004, 04:06 PM

BUMP

For any of you who are interested, John Kerry will be on The Daily Show tonight (August 24th) at 11 eastern time

Chainsaw Guy

08-24-2004, 04:15 PM

watch the this land video at www.jibjab.com

btw what you think of the caption under my name

Sam The Egg

08-24-2004, 04:17 PM

yeah, I posted that on the previous page

Dark..Raven

08-24-2004, 05:01 PM

Ok,
Here is the way I see it..

I like Bush. I like him as a person he seems likable enough. I do have Problems with his domestic agenda But, The way I see it, That took a back burner after 9/11. And it should have because I was there. He became a War President and it is time for us to suck it up and accept it.
Lets not forget that we were in Iraq for 12 years. Saddam was shooting at our airmen everyday and in gross violation of what? A dozen UN resolutions. Would the 13th done the Job? The 14th? He did have WMD EVERYONE knew it.. If Bad Intel is Made into an issue, Then Just about the WHOLE world is quilty. Not Just Bush.

The UN was never serious about the situation because they were making tons of money from the oil for food program.. These are the " Noble allies" Kerry wants us to get to help us.. And the UN ( A bang up job they are doing in the Sudan Right?)

The War came to us. Not the other way around. So fuck them if they don't like it.

Now as to Kerry.. He just lies his ass off..I have MAJOR problems with what he did after he came Back from Vietnam..Did you know the North Vietnamese consider him a hero? And that they played his senate testimony to the POW's.. Good for morale you know.

Kerry wears his 4 months of " Incountry"duty on his sleeve and considers himself a " War Hero".

Let me give you a clue about the word hero.. I knew many as a Ranger in S. America. I also Knew Many As a Paramedic at the Site of the Former World Trade Center on 9/11.. Real heroes have two things in common.

1) They consider the Word " Hero" A four letter word.

2) They never talk about it.

This is all Kerry does which makes him a phoney in my view..

I am sticking with W

orangestar

08-24-2004, 05:06 PM

I agree with a lot of things republicans say, but the sheer stupidity of Bush makes me worried about having dubya for another 4 years. He has messed up the country (medicare, no child left behind, unemployment...) and right now, its the lesser of two evils. Neither of them are right to run the most powerful country in the free world but until we become more than a bipartisan nation I want the smartest one in the White house.

.....not that Im old enough to vote or anything.

Dark..Raven

08-24-2004, 05:10 PM

I agree with you on Medicare and Education.. But that was just as big a mess under Clinton..

The Unemployment rate is 5.5% Dude.. The same as it was under Clinton.

Work needs to be done. If it were not for energy prices, This economy would be on fire man.. Look at the internals of the Labor Dept surveys.

orangestar

08-24-2004, 05:12 PM

I also dont believe that the war came to us. I think Bush is a money hungry texas oil man at heart and the added bonus of capturing Pa's attempted assasination coordinator was the reason we got into the war.

Dark..Raven

08-24-2004, 05:23 PM

Ok... Explain how after The battle of Tora Bora in Afganistan.. The Shithead that cut off Nick Burg's Head was treated in A Bagdad Military Hospital?? How is it that the terrorist group in the South was training to hijack Aircraft??? And Have proven ties to groups all over S. E Asia? Proof that the WMD was Moved to syria?

Your right.. Just good deeds by the Peace prize winner Saddam..

He also did not kill his own people... That was Mass suicide when they found out that " Knots Landing" Was cancelled..He did not invade Kuwait... The Entire Iraqi Army simply made a left in stead of a right... OOOPPPPSSS.

The Olympic team when they Lost?? Nope, Not torture!!!!! They just fell down alot....

MichaelMyers

08-24-2004, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by bwind22
Sure. It basically says that his 'hero' image is largely inflated and not accurate. Of his platoon, only 1 is actually standing by him right now saying that he was a hero, the rest have threatened to sue him if he tries to mention them. It also says he received 3 purple hearts in 4 1/2 months, but 2 of his injuries were self inflicted. Apparently, 3 purple hearts = discharge, so it insinuates that he injured himself twice to fill the quota and get out of the military. He then came back to the U.S. and protested the war. He even wrote an anti-government book, which he has recently tried to buy up every copy of, so that it doesn't get out to the public. He is honored in a museum of communist Vietnam as a 'hero'. Etc...

And all the while stateside George was doing bong rips and cheerleading for Yale.

Sam The Egg

08-24-2004, 06:54 PM

I personally think they're both a couple of penises, but I agree w/ Kerry on the only three issues I really care about, so that's all I'm taking into consideration

Stingy Jack

08-25-2004, 03:55 AM

I suppose anyone who has been following the news knows about the status of this video already knows this. But, I will state what has been brought to light anyway:

1. Nobody on this video was actually with Kerry during the rescue that won him the Purple Heart. They were on boats in the vicinity of Kerry's boat, but not even on Kerry's boat.

2. The only person who has any credibility about what he is saying is the doctor who said: "I nursed the wound that got Kerry the Purple Heart." He's the only one on the video that interacted with Kerry personally. But even this guy was not on the boat.

3. There is controversy as to whether or not the troops were actually under fire when Kerry pulled that guy out of the water. But the fact that another soldier won a Purple Heart for his efforts during the same conflict proves that they had to have been under fire at some time.

4. The guy that Kerry pulled out of the water vouches for his heroism, and stands by him.

5. The soldiers that were on the boat with Kerry at the time are standing by him.

6. This video was put together by veterans who are pissed off that Kerry protested the Vietnam War after he served his time. What the fuck is that all about? Kerry HAD to serve, and he did. When he had done his time, he practiced his freedom of speech and stood up for what he disagreed with! It's a fundamental American right, and the vets are pissed because they didn't like what he had to say. Kerry protested, and he had every right to do so. I can't stand it when people say I'm anti-American for speaking out against the decisions that America makes that I disagree with. In my eyes, speaking your mind is NOT anti-American, if we say that America = freedom. Making someone be quiet and stand up for whatever America decides to do IS anti-American.

Basically, the Republicans are worried that they're going to lose this vote (as they should be), and are using any underhanded tactics they can to smear Kerry. True, this video was not supported by the Bush campaign, but they sure did nothing to say that they do not endorse what it claims.

Egekrusher

08-25-2004, 06:20 AM

God, I love your posts Stingy.

Now that I know what the video is about, and have heard all the arguments, I'm even MORE in favor of Kerry.

To the person who said they think Bush is a "good person" - can't you tell a liar when you see one? You can see the gleam in his eye. You can tell when he makes his bullshit speeches that he's trying his hardest not to laugh the entire time.

This is not a personal attack on you, but you can't tell me that you don't see these things.

Stingy Jack

08-25-2004, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Egekrusher
God, I love your posts Stingy.

Now that I know what the video is about, and have heard all the arguments, I'm even MORE in favor of Kerry.

To the person who said they think Bush is a "good person" - can't you tell a liar when you see one? You can see the gleam in his eye. You can tell when he makes his bullshit speeches that he's trying his hardest not to laugh the entire time.

This is not a personal attack on you, but you can't tell me that you don't see these things.

Agreed. Bush wants to be President simply because he wants to be President. He has no interest in doing what is right for the American people, be it by way of education, unemployment, or tax breaks (for anyone who is not upper class). It's a simple power-trip. He's in power, and he wants to stay there ... for no other reason than it brings him power.

As for Vietnam ... Bush did serve in the Air Force, but thanks to the strings pulled by his father, he was never sent overseas. Kerry's father could have done the same for him, but he didn't. Kerry served in Vietnam; and according to the people who actually served with him, he did his job there. Then he came back and protested. If the vets have a problem with protesting, what the fuck are they fighting for? Certainly not freedom.

Vampenguin

08-25-2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Agreed. Bush wants to be President simply because he wants to be President. He has no interest in doing what is right for the American people, be it by way of education, unemployment, or tax breaks (for anyone who is not upper class). It's a simple power-trip. He's in power, and he wants to stay there ... for no other reason than it brings him power.

As for Vietnam ... Bush [i]did serve in the Air Force, but thanks to the strings pulled by his father, he was never sent overseas. Kerry's father could have done the same for him, but he didn't. Kerry served in Vietnam; and according to the people who actually served with him, he did his job there. Then he came back and protested. If the vets have a problem with protesting, what the fuck are they fighting for? Certainly not freedom.

I gotta agree with Ege on one thing....

Originally posted by Egekrusher
God, I love your posts Stingy