Who would you like to see as a president in the future?

[Hate_Breeder]

Um........Ziggy Marley, Tommy CHong. I think you guys know where im getting at this lol. If pot was legal though, there would be less crime, and a lot less war

[Stingy Jack]

Me.

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Me.

As soon as i saw you posted, i knew you were gonna say that hahahah :D

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
As soon as i saw you posted, i knew you were gonna say that hahahah :D

:D Actually, I wouldn't want to be president. I would get assassinated. My views are too liberal for this country.

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
:D Actually, I wouldn't want to be president. I would get assassinated. My views are too liberal for this country.

Believe me, if Bush hasnt got assasinated yet, you wouldnt lol.

[movieman64]

Go Connie Go...

[kpropain]

Ted Nugent

[KRUGERKID13]

nugent would make an awsome president

George W. Bush (yes im serious)
Bill O'Reily

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by kpropain
Ted Nugent

The Stormtroopers comin, get ready.

Id like to see Gary Jules. If somebody doesnt know he is a very talented songwriter, who sings the hit song from Donnie Darko Mad World

[orangestar]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
nugent would make an awsome president

George W. Bush (yes im serious)
Bill O'Reily

No offence, but if Bill O'Reily became president I'd have to move out of the country.


I think Oprah would make the best president ever.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
Bill O'Reily

You can't be serious with that one?

That son of a bitch is just a pompass ass hole with a big mouth that somebody needs to shut...

I hate that motherfucker....

[fluffho]

Originally posted by kpropain
You can't be serious with that one?

That son of a bitch is just a pompass ass hole with a big mouth that somebody needs to shut...

I hate that motherfucker....

u say that abou oreilly but not nugent?? lol but maybue wre joking about nugent (i can only hope)

[kpropain]

Originally posted by fluffho
u say that abou oreilly but not nugent?? lol but maybue wre joking about nugent (i can only hope)

Yeah but Oreilly is a whole different ballgame, he is a complete fucking idiot...

At least Nugent has good ideas...

[KRUGERKID13]

fuck you guys o'reily is one of the few great americans around and orangesatr i read moores book too and thats just fucking stupid to even consider opera. Also i wasnt joking about nugent.


Bill o'reily is a man who speaks whats on his mind and doesnt receive any advice from any of those fucking political spinners. He supports america and he admits when they make mistakes unlike the democrats or the fucking l;iberal bastards like moore who wont admit they used false info for books and movies.

[Hate_Breeder]

What about Peter Jennings?

[orangestar]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
fuck you guys o'reily is one of the few great americans around and orangesatr i read moores book too and thats just fucking stupid to even consider opera. Also i wasnt joking about nugent.


Bill o'reily is a man who speaks whats on his mind and doesnt receive any advice from any of those fucking political spinners. He supports america and he admits when they make mistakes unlike the democrats or the fucking l;iberal bastards like moore who wont admit they used false info for books and movies.


geeze.....sorry.

but I thought regular members of the site didnt resort to calling other people's views 'fucking stupid'. Or did I miss something?

[KRUGERKID13]

Originally posted by kpropain
Yeah but Oreilly is a whole different ballgame, he is a complete fucking idiot...

At least Nugent has good ideas...

kpro are you kidding me. Do you even know what o'reilys views are.

1)Against Censorship
2)Feels gov. should be watched closley on how tax money is spent (since there is no one that does that)
3)Feel children should come first
4)Against death penalty (feels its to light of a punishment and thinks life in prison without parole is better) also death penalty cost 6x more then supporting someone in prison for life
5)Believes people should take more responsibilty for there actions and stop getting off on excuses or abusing there rights as americans

[bwind22]

Originally posted by orangestar
No offence, but if Bill O'Reily became president I'd have to move out of the country.


I think Oprah would make the best president ever.


No offense, but if Oprah became president I think we'd all be dead and hell would be frozen over. I'd say the chance of us ever seeing a black woman president in our lifetime are about the same as the chances of them making an Evil Dead 4 with someone other than Bruce Campbell playing Ash.




Not that he would ever have a chance of winning, but I think Greg Graffin would make an excellent leader for this country. If you don't know, Greg is the lead singer for Bad Religion. (One of the best bands to ever rock the last two decades.) He is also a doctor of biology (I guess that would make him a scientist wouldn't it?) as well as being responsible for starting/running Epitaph Records.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
kpro are you kidding me. Do you even know what o'reilys views are.

1)Against Censorship
2)Feels gov. should be watched closley on how tax money is spent (since there is no one that does that)
3)Feel children should come first
4)Against death penalty (feels its to light of a punishment and thinks life in prison without parole is better) also death penalty cost 6x more then supporting someone in prison for life
5)Believes people should take more responsibilty for there actions and stop getting off on excuses or abusing there rights as americans

Yes I know what Oreilly views are on stuff...
For one I am for the death penalty, if you kill someone and have been convicted, you should die...and quit holding out the god damn appeals process bullshit also...I say as soon as they are convicted give em 3 months then fry the bastards...

Also if he is so much against censorship, why in the hell did he fuck up Ludacris's deal with Pepsi huh? explain that one to me...
I mean I could care less about rap, but if the man worked his way to having a deal with Pepsi, then the man deserved it, and Bill Oreilly protesting and having his deal removed WAS FUCKING CENSORSHIP!!!!

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
4)Against death penalty (feels its to light of a punishment and thinks life in prison without parole is better)americans

But can you imagine how crowded the prisons would be?

[orangestar]

Originally posted by bwind22
No offense, but if Oprah became president I think we'd all be dead and hell would be frozen over. I'd say the chance of us ever seeing a black woman president in our lifetime are about the same as the chances of them making an Evil Dead 4 with someone other than Bruce Campbell playing Ash.



I guess I didnt word it right. I love Oprah, but I guess I didnt think about how she would be as the leader of the free world. Nor do I think any black woman has any chance in hell of being president in my lifetime.

I just like her....thats all.

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by bwind22
Not that he would ever have a chance of winning, but I think Greg Graffin would make an excellent leader for this country. If you don't know, Greg is the lead singer for Bad Religion. (One of the best bands to ever rock the last two decades.) He is also a doctor of biology (I guess that would make him a scientist wouldn't it?) as well as being responsible for starting/running Epitaph Records.

True but *cough* The new music sucks *cough*

[KRUGERKID13]

cdd

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
But can you imagine how crowded the prisons would be?

death penalty has little to do with overcrowded prisons..

of course we COULD do the whole midle eastern thing and kill like everyonelike right awa but were not that savage

[kpropain]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
fuck you guys


you say if o'reily got elected youd leave the country well if opera won id leave


this will most likly get me banned and all i can say to that is tough i dont care antmore. You guys have pissed me off for the last time. You fuckin whiney ass anti-american michael moore lovin sons a bitches. You can all kiss my ass for all i care

Dude calm down there chief, it's just a fucking internet forum..

And for the record I hate Michael Moore..

[orangestar]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
fuck you guys


you say if o'reily got elected youd leave the country well if opera won id leave

this will most likly get me banned and all i can say to that is tough i dont care antmore. You guys have pissed me off for the last time. You fuckin whiney ass anti-american michael moore lovin sons a bitches. You can all kiss my ass for all i care

Chill.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
fuck you guys


you say if o'reily got elected youd leave the country well if opera won id leave


this will most likely get me banned and all i can say to that is tough i dont care antmore. You guys have pissed me off for the last time. You fuckin whiney ass anti-american michael moore lovin sons a bitches. You can all kiss my ass for all i care l


I never had any problem with you until just now, but after dropping the 'N' bomb, I think it is probably safe to say you're a goner.

There's a large number of people on here that need to learn how to discuss a heated issue like politics, religion, abortion, terrorism, etc... and not take everything personally. So some people don't agree with you, tough shit. You better get used to it because for as long as you are alive, there's going to be people around disagreeing with you.


I say ban him.

[Hate_Breeder]

Yeah dude calm the shit down. But if your talking racist shit dude you can leave anyways. Because that comment was both racist and sexist.

[hellfire1]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
fuck you guys


you say if o'reily got elected youd leave the country well if opera won id leave





well i'll be damned... blatant racist remarks coming from a person who actually helped me waaaaay back in jan when i first registered. the only one who was kind enough to do so, too... i'm disappointed. and not by your opinions ( well a little... k, a lot ) but by what's quoted above, just to be clear.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bwind22
I say ban him.

i second that.

and just for the record. i happen TO like michael more and happen to lean more towards liberal. yet i would never refer to a black perosn as a 'nigger' ....

[kpropain]

KK13 edit your text and remove that comment or I will have to delete that post...

RACIST COMMENTS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ON THIS BOARD AT ALL END OF DISCUSSION

[KRUGERKID13]

you right i over reacted i apoligize everyones done it before and it wont happen again

[fluffho]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
oh god if you look at the last fifty years what has women right done for us... increase divorces and cause are children to be poorly raised

as for blacks well i think we know who causes most of the violence in america today.


nuff said


also you guys chill if its not a big deal and you dont agree with it then dont pay attention to it

god your an idiot. not even worth arguing with

[orangestar]

Originally posted by fluffho
i second that.

and just for the record. i happen TO like michael more and happen to lean more towards liberal. yet i would never refer to a black perosn as a 'nigger' ....

I third that. and agree with everythign Fluff says.

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by fluffho
i second that.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
oh god if you look at the last fifty years what has women right done for us... increase divorces and cause are children to be poorly raised

as for blacks well i think we know who causes most of the violence in america today.


nuff said


also you guys chill if its not a big deal and you dont agree with it then dont pay attention to it


Ignorant! Ignorant! Ignorant!

What the fuck is wrong with you tonight? I've never seen you act so foolishly in all of my time here. My opinion of you dropped from probably about an 83/100 down to about 16/100 with your last two posts.

[orangestar]

I cant respect someone who says such ignorant things.

[fluffho]

ok ive reread his last post and ive thus concluded..

hes gay and a white supremacist..

but arent KKK dumbasses usually against homosexuals too? now im confused.

kpro... i think ur being too nice. we banned kazikklbey and several others for that very reason and despite the fact that yes he is a senior member and HAS con tributed in the past... there IS no excuse for this utter STUPIDITY!!

[orangestar]

Im going to go watch Being John Malkovich and go to sleep. When I wake up I hope he's banned for being such a racist sexist bastard.

[Egekrusher]

....

Huh.

....

[KRUGERKID13]

im over at my friends house as you may know rom earlier post i dont have internet at my house. While i was on a walk to gas america my friends brother got on and posted the stuff after my suggestion for future pres. if you dont believe me ill understand if you ban me but youve known me for awhile and know that i wouldnt say stuff like that.


ive already sent this to kpro wether or not you guys believe me is up to you you know i wouldnt post crap like that ive ben one of the main nazi killers since that crap started. I got back from my walk and my friends brother was on the comp. laughing then i saw what he did and jumped his ass for it.

Forgive me orange and fluff and bwind


Just to let you guys know i stopped posting after i made the suggestion the rest was all my friends brother

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
....

Huh.

....

Are you lost Ege?

[fluffho]

wow..

you realy sohudl think about getting new friends. its one thing to play tricks 'hey i eat poop' but to make u sound like a racist...

...... ha.. haha... fucking ha..

[Egekrusher]

I call bullshit. I don't believe you, plain and simple.

[KRUGERKID13]

well like i told kpro if you guys think i should still get band id understand. Id rather just have those post deleated but if you guys still wish for me to be band id understand

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I call bullshit. I don't believe you, plain and simple.

Yeah i dont know about this one

[fluffho]

well i dont know him so well but with 1600 posts ud think people would know him by now? maybe someone can vouch?

[KRUGERKID13]

hate-breeder youve known me since you started posting and have i eve stepped out of line like this before. This forum is my life and would never risk getting kicked of over somthin like this

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
well like i told kpro if you guys think i should still get band id understand. Id rather just have those post deleated but if you guys still wish for me to be band id understand


I don't necessarily think a banning is in order. Everyone needs a second chance. Just don't lie to us. Even if you DO feel bad about it now, it doesn't matter. Just DON'T do it again. Ever.

[Hate_Breeder]

Ive known him for a while, thats why i was in shock from what he said. Maybe hes bluffing who fucking knows?

[KRUGERKID13]

im not lying though infact i got no reason to kpro already had told me i wasnt going to get band just warnd.

i wish rebel yell or nine9 was on they wouyld support me and know i wasnt lying

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
Ive known him for a while, thats why i was in shock from what he said. Maybe hes bluffing who fucking knows?

perhaps.............. we'll never know!!

*twilight zone music plays*

[KRUGERKID13]

you guys gotta believ me id never do this crap and i thought youd guys would believe me

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by fluffho
perhaps.............. we'll never know!!

*twilight zone music plays*

HAHAHAHAH kk13 i got your back. But never do it again, alright?

[KRUGERKID13]

i didnt do it why wont you guys believe me

[fluffho]

i believe u just like i said.... ur friends r fuckin losers

[KRUGERKID13]

thank you fluffho

[Hate_Breeder]

i believe you too. i was just saying make sure that when you are posting, dont leave it on your name, so someone can fuck with your shit.

[kpropain]

well I sent a pm to KK13 and that was his one warning, whether or not he did it or not I can not say...Only thing I can say is I have never seen him post anything like that at all...So I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, but like I said there won't be anymore warnings....

I am trying to be just and fair here guys...but racist bullshit will not be tolerated period...

[orangestar]

Im a little late to the party, but I suppose I believe you.

I was just really shocked to hear something like that from you, so I guess you arent lying.

[KRUGERKID13]

kpro are you going to let arioch and allmykids know so they wont ban me either also thanks you guys for understanding

[kpropain]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
kpro are you going to let arioch and allmykids know so they wont ban me either also thanks you guys for understanding

They will be informed, but unless they were on and saw the post originally they won't see the post because I went back and edited the text where everyone quoted you...And you edited your own text...

[KRUGERKID13]

thanks i really apreciate you and everyone here being so understanding.

[bloodrayne]

Well...After reading this entire thread....


HEY!...I'm actually going to make a post that is relevant to the topic of this thread, so...Pay attention here...;)


My vote goes to.......*Drumroll Please*.......





TED NUGENT!


That was a DAMNED good suggestion...Ted Nugent for President...That way EVERYONE wins...The Republicans...The Democrats...and even the Liberterians:cool:

That was a bit enthusiastic...Perhaps I have Cat Scratch Fever :eek: :D

[zwoti]

might i suggest that in future when you have finished on the forum, you log out (by this i mean got ot the bottom of the front page of the forum and click on the log out option) this will clear your cookies which means when you return to this site you will have to log back in. this will stop this happening again unless of course your friends know your login credentials, in which case change your password.

[Hate_Breeder]

Damn i cant think of another Ted Nugent song other than Stormtrooper and Cat Scratch Fever...........Oh wait! Dog eat Dog :)

[mothermold]

stranglehold.:)

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by mothermold
stranglehold.:)

HOLY SHIT! Totally forgot about that one. "Got you in a Stranglehold baby!"

[Gothic-chick]

Norman Shwartzkof , he's a real man!


in reality Bush has my vote again

[Stingy Jack]

I an't believin' KrugerKid13 until he says: "Bill O'Reilly Has No Fuckin' Clue What Freedom of Religion Means, and Therefore Should Not Be President, Unless You Want to Live in a Country Where God is Shoved Your Child's Throat Every Day."

[KRUGERKID13]

i aint gonna say that cause bill o'reliy is a great american and should run for office

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
i aint gonna say that cause bill o'reliy is a great american and should run for office

Man, Bill O'Reilly may be charismatic and THINK he has the well-being of Americans in mind with his views ... but he doesn't. His ideas are: "Whatever is good for Bill O'Reilly BETTER BE FUCKIN GOOD FOR EVERYONE ELSE GOD DAMN IT!!"

But, it could be worse.

[KRUGERKID13]

no there not ya know what next time your at the library pick up his book no spin zone.


Also im guessing your a michael moore fan

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
What about Peter Jennings?

he cant, he as born canadian.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
no there not ya know what next time your at the library pick up his book no spin zone.


Also im guessing your a michael moore fan

Micheal Moore, I can take him or leave him. I enjoyed Bowling For Columbine and he had some interesting theories there, but I didn't rush out to see Farenheit 9/11. I'll probably watch it though, since I can rent it for free.

But, Bill O'Reilley ... sheesh. I can't watch his show. Every time I've tried, he would present his an opinion I disagreed with, then have a guest on to argue the side I agreed with. But, O'Reilley would never let them talk! He would interrupt them, yell at them, refuse to let them get a word in edgewise, and wind up kicking them off the show. I'd like a president who's a little more open to other people's views. This is why I say that if it doesn't fit the way O'Reilley thinks the world should be, he won't have anything to do with it.

And as an atheist, I am quite concerned about sending my child to public schools and have her exposed to all manner of Christian practices. You know that if O'Reilley was president he would do everything in his power to make sure our children are exposed to God at every turn. I've seen enough of his show to understand that much about him (one of the episodes I am referring to in the above description about O'Reilley not listening to a guest had to do with the topic of posting the ten commandments in public schools. Bill was for it, and wouldn't listen to the guy from the ACLU who was against it.)

[KRUGERKID13]

yeah cause god forbi your children relise the truth that someone had to put them on this earth.


Also if you dont like it then explain to your kids not to participate in it.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
yeah cause god forbi your children relise the truth that someone had to put them on this earth.


Also if you dont like it then explain to your kids not to participate in it.

Well, I see you're just as confused as to the meaning of "Separation of Church and State" as O'Reilley is.

Unfortunately, I have to get ready to go to my mother's for her birthday, otherwise I would like to continue with this.

[Arioch]

yeah cause god forbi your children relise the truth that someone had to put them on this earth

It shouldn't have to be something you have to UNTEACH your kids, once they are already tought it in schools. If your gonna have religion tought in schools, you have to ATLEAST have different ones tought. This christianity tought in schools while mentioning nothing of Buddism, Judism, etc. is bullshit brainwashing....

Seperate church from state activities (school) or teach EVERY religion equally and let the child make up their mind....i mean, its only fair...

[Egekrusher]

Seperation of Church and State was established when the U.S. was formed over 200 years ago, and with good reason. The Catholic Church had their hands in EVERYTHING from the government to whorehouses. If it made money, they were involved. Because of this power, they were able to persecute anyone who didn't follow their beliefs, leading to inquisitions. Inquisitions basically happened as follows:

1. If you don't follow their beliefs, they lock you up in a prison and torture you until you admit it.
2. Anyone in the public could accuse you of being a heretic (ie against their religion), which led to a lot of people being tortured over personal vendettas.
3. If you confess to being a heretic, and get branded as such (an upside down cross, usually on the palm of your right hand or, in extreme cases, on the forehead, burnt in by a metal rod with a cross on the end of it), then there's a small chance that they may let you live. You were better off dead, because after that, everyone was allowed to do anything they liked to you, legal or illegal. Most of these people turned up dead.
4. Most of the time, even if you confessed and "repented" for your sins, the only thing they did was kill you quickly. If you didn't confess, they would just torture you to death.

Inquisitions such as this happened for centuries on the European continent. This is what our forefathers were trying to escape.

This is also why it is SO IMPORTANT that the seperation of church and state be complete and whole. It is one of the founding principles of this country that those in power in religion are NOT in power in the government, and are not allowed to be involved with big business.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Arioch
It shouldn't have to be something you have to UNTEACH your kids, once they are already tought it in schools. If your gonna have religion tought in schools, you have to ATLEAST have different ones tought. This christianity tought in schools while mentioning nothing of Buddism, Judism, etc. is bullshit brainwashing....

Seperate church from state activities (school) or teach EVERY religion equally and let the child make up their mind....i mean, its only fair...

Yes, I agree. That is if you're going to have religion taught in public schools. And that's a pretty big if. I don't understand why some people have to turn our schools into churches! If you want to learn about god, go to church (or wait until you're college aged and take some religion and philosophy courses). The problem with teachers (or schools in general) showing favor to any particular religion is that these people are in a position to influence kids. Kids will see a sign in the school hallway, or hear a teacher say something that shows an inclination towards Christian beliefs, and some kids will think that these people are right ... just because they are teachers, or because it is in their schools. I mean, I would probably homeschool my child if I had the time, but as it is, I have to send her to public school. It's the law. And like it or not, the idea that "Christianity is TRUTH" is far from true. It's clsoer to being a flat out lie (unless you're the type of person who says: "I read it in a book ... it MUST be true!" -- after all, that's about as far as the evidence goes to support the truth of god. But such evidence wouldn't even be admissable in a court of law. But I digress). Bill may think it's great to try to make all of our kids Christian, but that kind of thinking goes against not only the constitution of the United States, but every great teaching from the past 200 years or so.

[Arioch]

And like it or not, the idea that "Christianity is TRUTH" is far from true. It's clsoer to being a flat out lie (unless you're the type of person who says: "I read it in a book ... it MUST be true!" -- after all, that's about as far as the evidence goes to support the truth of god. But such evidence wouldn't even be admissable in a court of law. But I digress). Bill may think it's great to try to make all of our kids Christian, but that kind of thinking goes against not only the constitution of the United States, but every great teaching from the past 200 years or so.

Tell it on the mountain!!!

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
i aint gonna say that cause bill o'reliy is a great american and should run for office

I agree Bill O'reilly is a great American.

A man who thinks with his head not his emotions.

[bwind22]

Okay, I've been gone a while, so let me catch up...

KK13 - I'm with ya. I was very shocked to see those things coming from your screen name and I'm glad to hear there was an explanation.

Kpro - I think you handled that situation perfectly. A stern warning (with imminent banning if it ever happens again) is perfect.



Church and State need to be completely seperate. It is one of the principles that this country was founded on. If you want your kids to learn religion at school, send them to a private school, it's as simple as that. KK13, you need to look at the other side of the coin. Let's say that your Christian kid was attending a public school and the teachers there all preached Buddhism. You wouldn't like it. Well, it's the same thing for these other people on here that do not share your beliefs. If I was an atheist (which I'm not, but if I was) I sure wouldn't want my kids being taught religion in a public school. That's what private schools are for.



P.S. IMO, Bill O'Reilly would make about as good a president as Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore. And that's not a good thing. People that are that stubborn in their ways and closed minded on issues have no place represting a country full of individuals. They would be great candidates for anyone that agreed with them on every issue, but O'Reilly likes to take the 'my way or the highway' approach, and that's not a good presidential quality for the majority of the population.

I think we need someone who is open minded and willing to look at every side of a particular issue before rushing to a conclusion and/or into action.

[massacre man]

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[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
yeah cause god forbi your children relise the truth that someone had to put them on this earth.


Also if you dont like it then explain to your kids not to participate in it.

Exactly! What is it with these people who think just because they don't want their kid to learn about God they don't want anyone's kid to learn about him? Why is it that their kid learning about God is so offensive to them ? They say don't push your views on my kid! That's the very thing they are doing to their kid, pushing their Atheist views on them.

There are tons of things taught in school that piss me off. Which is why I pay attention to what my kids are learning and then show them there are different views and they should explore all rather than going with the masses. Education shouldn't be limited to school.

Personally I do believe in God and I base that on my personal relationship with him, not any particular religion. Do I shove it down my kids throats? No. Do I think their picking up things at school I don't believe in ? Of course they are. Do I think it's ok for them to learn about those things Hell YES. How else are they ever going to figure out who they are and how they want to live their lives?

Both of my parents were raised catholic and attended catholic schools. I went to public school. My Dad was an Atheist, he didn't tell me until I was an Adult and asked him what he thought about God. He let me decide what I believed for myself and he respected it. I will do the same for my kids.

[Arioch]

Exactly! What is it with these people who think just because they don't want their kid to learn about God they don't want anyone's kid to learn about him? Why is it that their kid learning about God is so offensive to them ? They say don't push your views on my kid! That's the very thing they are doing to their kid, pushing their Atheist views on them.

This is circle logic at its finest. This isn't really an argument the only reason it isnt offensive to YOU and CHRISTIANS is because its the CHRISTIAN god they are teaching in school, i would be just as pissed if they were teaching Satanism, as you would, the difference is because its Christianity, you are wondering why everyone else (who doesnt believe that way) is pissed off and your not....if it was a totally different religion from what you yourself believe, it would be the equivilent of a atheistic parents situation....

As for the rest of your post....I think thats a really cool and somewhat underused approach to parenting, and well....life really. I commend you on that, and the fact that you believe in not forcing your own beliefs on your kids (although lets agree that there HAS to be a certain, if understated in your case, degree of influence your beliefs have on them). You've earned alot more of my respect than i had previously given you, good form...

[Candy Man]

al sharpton get my vote, jesse jackson as vp.

[wufong]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
Exactly! What is it with these people who think just because they don't want their kid to learn about God they don't want anyone's kid to learn about him? Why is it that their kid learning about God is so offensive to them ? They say don't push your views on my kid! That's the very thing they are doing to their kid, pushing their Atheist views on them.


amen to that

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bwind22
Church and State need to be completely seperate. It is one of the principles that this country was founded on. If you want your kids to learn religion at school, send them to a private school, it's as simple as that. KK13, you need to look at the other side of the coin. Let's say that your Christian kid was attending a public school and the teachers there all preached Buddhism. You wouldn't like it. Well, it's the same thing for these other people on here that do not share your beliefs. If I was an atheist (which I'm not, but if I was) I sure wouldn't want my kids being taught religion in a public school. That's what private schools are for.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Stingy Jack]

Gothic-Chick -- as I said before, if you want your kid to learn about God, teach your child yourself or take your child to church. It is totally the discretion of the parent as to how they want to raise their child in regards to ideas of religion and morality. Not the government. Your children are exposed to god in church, and at home. Why at school, where other parents with beliefs different than yours send their children? Arioch is right. If you were a Christian living in a predominantly Hindu country, you would have reservations about sending your child to the public schools if they stressed Hinduism as the path to truth. You would probably argue, in this case, that they remain neutral in the case of religion (or, you could argue that they should teach Christianity -- but that would be a losing argument. They would simply say that Christianity is false, and Hinduism is truth. Then you both would run around in circles not being able to prove that either one of you is right.)

Religion has no place in public schools. If you want to raise your child a Christian, do so at home and take them church.

[mothermold]

bernie mac.
:D

[bloodrayne]

I have read this entire thread and I have to say that you are ALL arguing an invalid point...

Christianity, or any other religion, has never been "taught" in any public school...Evolution (The DENIAL of Christianity) IS taught in public schools...Placing the Ten Commandments where they can be seen, and saying the Pledge Of Allegiance is NOT teaching anyone about God...The Ten Commandments are basically a good code of ethics for EVERYONE to consider, and pledging your allegiance to your country is about PATRIOTISM and standing united..NOT a "lesson" in Christianity...

Damn...It is SCARY, when I have to be the one to present the voice of reason:rolleyes:

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Gothic-Chick -- as I said before, if you want your kid to learn about God, teach your child yourself or take your child to church. It is totally the discretion of the parent as to how they want to raise their child in regards to ideas of religion and morality. Not the government. Your children are exposed to god in church, and at home. Why at school, where other parents with beliefs different than yours send their children? Arioch is right. If you were a Christian living in a predominantly Hindu country, you would have reservations about sending your child to the public schools if they stressed Hinduism as the path to truth. You would probably argue, in this case, that they remain neutral in the case of religion (or, you could argue that they should teach Christianity -- but that would be a losing argument. They would simply say that Christianity is false, and Hinduism is truth. Then you both would run around in circles not being able to prove that either one of you is right.)

Religion has no place in public schools. If you want to raise your child a Christian, do so at home and take them church.



Hey man, I never said I wanted my kids to learn religion in school, in fact they don't. The only thing around here (and I am smack dab in the middle of the bible belt)even mentioned in school about God would be the pledge of allegiance. Which has nothing to do with any religion. I'm just saying, people who feel so strongly about their kids not hearing the mention of God or Halloween for that matter should consider finding a school that fits their needs instead of trying to change the public school that the majority go along with.

When my daughter was in Kindergarten there was a mother who was all in a ridiculous tizzy about the upcoming Halloween party. The kids were going to have punch and cookies and decorate little Halloween pins ( a craft I brought in) There were 18 kids in all. Finally I had to look at the woman and say there are 17 sets of parents who find no harm in this. Why not keep your kid home that day instead of trying to ruin things for everyone else?

To this day that poor kid of hers is a total outcast at school because of his parents constant interference in matters at school that are totally harmless. I'm telling you as I sit here if either one of my kids schools decided to have a day of learning about Hinduism, or Buda, or any other bullshit institutionalized religion which I hate all of them equally I would honestly have no problem with it. However how we discussed it at the end of the day at the dinner table at my house is a totally different thing..

But if their schools turned into say a catholic( insert any religion here) school I'd home school in a minute without trying to change the school to suit my needs. ( I couldn't put them in private school because they are all religious based around here)

I hate institutionalized religion in any form. It just seems absurd for anyone to assume theirs is correct and all others are wrong. I think it was all created to control the masses but that's another topic entirely...


My kids are only mine for a short time and I don't want to fuck them up. It's a heavy load I carry here as a parent to try and make the right choices for them until they are old enough to make them for themselves. They don't need me bitching about every single thing going on in school that I don't like... they just need both sides of the coin.


My Motto is Guide them and kiss them when they fall, but don't mold them into who you think they should be.

religious tollerance should be taught to every human being on this planet not one religion!


www.religioustolerance.org

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I have read this entire thread and I have to say that you are ALL arguing an invalid point...

Christianity, or any other religion, has never been "taught" in any public school...Evolution (The DENIAL of Christianity) IS taught in public schools...Placing the Ten Commandments where they can be seen, and saying the Pledge Of Allegiance is NOT teaching anyone about God...The Ten Commandments are basically a good code of ethics for EVERYONE to consider, and pledging your allegiance to your country is about PATRIOTISM and standing united..NOT a "lesson" in Christianity...

Damn...It is SCARY, when I have to be the one to present the voice of reason:rolleyes:


I totally agree!

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I have read this entire thread and I have to say that you are ALL arguing an invalid point...

Christianity, or any other religion, has never been "taught" in any public school...Evolution (The DENIAL of Christianity) IS taught in public schools...Placing the Ten Commandments where they can be seen, and saying the Pledge Of Allegiance is NOT teaching anyone about God...The Ten Commandments are basically a good code of ethics for EVERYONE to consider, and pledging your allegiance to your country is about PATRIOTISM and standing united..NOT a "lesson" in Christianity...

Damn...It is SCARY, when I have to be the one to present the voice of reason:rolleyes:

You calling evolution the "DENIAL" of Christianity is not the voice of reason. The Theory of Evolution happens to be the foundational theory for all of the Biological sciences. Species evolve. This is a fact. And I think a good science classroom should teach facts, regardless if they vaguely contradict someone's theological beliefs. If what you believe doesn't jibe with the facts, maybe you need reevaluate your beliefs. This is what education is all about! If you read Genesis, you'll see that plants were growing all over the planet before the sun was even formed ... so will you argue with a Biology teacher when they tell your kids that plants need sunlight to grow? Or, should that Biology teacher check herself all the time and say: "Unless you believe in God, through which all things are possible" every now and then?
And the Ten Commandments being a good code of ethics for "EVERYONE" is far from reasonable as well. I'll admit that there are several commandments that I agree with, but there are some that have nothing to do with ethics or morality at all. The first three, for example: I am the Lord thy God and thou shalt have no other ... no graven images ... no taking the Lord's name in vain. These are all well and good, if you want your Chrisitian child to show the proper respect to your God. Then there's the one about setting aside the sabbath and keeping it holy. My family does not believe that any days are more "holy", or profane, than others. The other ones are okay, but pretty confusingly simple: thou shalt not kill (how about in self-defense?), honor thy mother and father (what if you have abusive parents?), don't commit adultery (ok ... we can keep from doing that), don't even think about wanting your neighbors cattle or his wife (well ... that we can't help. You're going to condemn us for our thoughts??)
As far as the Pledge of Allegiance being uttered in school, I have no problem with it. But, keep in mind that the phrase "under God" was not in the original pledge. The original pledge was as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' The author considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ] In 1954 congress, after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, decided to add "under God" in the pledge, thus making it both a patriotic oath and a public prayer. Most of it is good, but we are not one nation under God. We are a nation under many gods, or no gods at all. But, the pledge as it is clearly favors a monotheistic faith.
No ... ever since school-led prayer was taken away, the Christian community of our nation have taken it upon themselves to get their God back into the public schools any way they can. They have even gone so far as to argue that violent children are the result of not being exposed to their God on a daily basis in school. Posting the Ten Commandments is just one of the ways they have recently tried to serve the community with their God (whether or not the community is Christian), and thankfully it was unsuccessful. But, here in Mississippi, they HAVE succeeded in making it a law that the phrase "In God We Trust" be framed and posted in every classroom where it is visible by all students. Some will say that they are not trying to expose the kids to their God, but are just making "patriotic" signs. Bullshit.

Like I said, if I had the time to homeschool, I would.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Gothic-chick
Hey man, I never said I wanted my kids to learn religion in school, in fact they don't. The only thing around here (and I am smack dab in the middle of the bible belt)even mentioned in school about God would be the pledge of allegiance. Which has nothing to do with any religion. I'm just saying, people who feel so strongly about their kids not hearing the mention of God or Halloween for that matter should consider finding a school that fits their needs instead of trying to change the public school that the majority go along with.

When my daughter was in Kindergarten there was a mother who was all in a ridiculous tizzy about the upcoming Halloween party. The kids were going to have punch and cookies and decorate little Halloween pins ( a craft I brought in) There were 18 kids in all. Finally I had to look at the woman and say there are 17 sets of parents who find no harm in this. Why not keep your kid home that day instead of trying to ruin things for everyone else?

To this day that poor kid of hers is a total outcast at school because of his parents constant interference in matters at school that are totally harmless. I'm telling you as I sit here if either one of my kids schools decided to have a day of learning about Hinduism, or Buda, or any other bullshit institutionalized religion which I hate all of them equally I would honestly have no problem with it. However how we discussed it at the end of the day at the dinner table at my house is a totally different thing..

But if their schools turned into say a catholic( insert any religion here) school I'd home school in a minute without trying to change the school to suit my needs. ( I couldn't put them in private school because they are all religious based around here)

I hate institutionalized religion in any form. It just seems absurd for anyone to assume theirs is correct and all others are wrong. I think it was all created to control the masses but that's another topic entirely...


My kids are only mine for a short time and I don't want to fuck them up. It's a heavy load I carry here as a parent to try and make the right choices for them until they are old enough to make them for themselves. They don't need me bitching about every single thing going on in school that I don't like... they just need both sides of the coin.


My Motto is Guide them and kiss them when they fall, but don't mold them into who you think they should be.

religious tollerance should be taught to every human being on this planet not one religion!


www.religioustolerance.org

Wow.. ok, so maybe I misunderstood you previously. Sorry for any flames directed towards you.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I have read this entire thread and I have to say that you are ALL arguing an invalid point...

Christianity, or any other religion, has never been "taught" in any public school...Evolution (The DENIAL of Christianity) IS taught in public schools...Placing the Ten Commandments where they can be seen, and saying the Pledge Of Allegiance is NOT teaching anyone about God...The Ten Commandments are basically a good code of ethics for EVERYONE to consider, and pledging your allegiance to your country is about PATRIOTISM and standing united..NOT a "lesson" in Christianity...

Damn...It is SCARY, when I have to be the one to present the voice of reason:rolleyes:

I must agree with Stingy on this one Bloodrayne. Evolution is a fact, it has been proven time and again through science. If you are going to deny that evolution is fact, then you may as well throw science right out the window and say that we are the center of the universe, the world is flat, and the earth is only 10,000 years old.

This is not "Trust in Science", this is "science is right". There are no 2 ways about that, and everyone (hopefully) here knows that.

No offense to anyone, but would you really have us deny scientific fact so that we may satisfy your religions?

[bloodrayne]

Well, Stingy...It certainly seems that you are going to continue to hold onto your title;)

When I stated that evolution is the "denial of Christianity", I MEANT that evolution contradicts creation, thereby denying that God created man in his own image (unless God is a monkey, insect, fish, whatever)...and thereby "denies Christianity"...Notice that I did not mention any of my own personal beliefs regarding any religion...I was making a general statement..I didn't even say that the theory of evolution was incorrect, or even questionable, just that it denies Christianity (which is a fact)..I do appreciate all of the information about it, however

You still can't convince me that any religion is being TAUGHT in public schools

You did make a couple of good points about the selected commandments that pertain only to God

As for the "Thou shalt not kill (how about in self defense?)"..I do believe that it has a basic meaning...The same as saying "We really shouldn't kill each other", which generally doesn't need any explanation, or get any arguments...As far as that goes, your "how about?" can be used for nearly ANY statement...There is an exception to pretty much anything

I still don't believe that the Pledge Of Allegiance is going to recruit any Christians

As far as "being exposed to God"...There are FAR worse things for a child to be exposed to in public schools, and 90% of that comes from the other students, not the teachers...Just ONE of the MANY reasons that I DO homeschool my children;)

I do feel that all that I stated is well within reason

It seems that you are a bit on the defensive lately, Stingy...I do hope that all is well:)

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I must agree with Stingy on this one Bloodrayne. Evolution is a fact, it has been proven time and again through science. If you are going to deny that evolution is fact, then you may as well throw science right out the window and say that we are the center of the universe, the world is flat, and the earth is only 10,000 years old.

This is not "Trust in Science", this is "science is right". There are no 2 ways about that, and everyone (hopefully) here knows that.

No offense to anyone, but would you really have us deny scientific fact so that we may satisfy your religions? Read my above post, Ege...I never said that evolution was not a valid theory, nor did I mention that I had any affiliation with ANY religion...So, you certainly didn't offend ME in the least...It actually almost makes me wonder who you may be referring to...lol

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Well, Stingy...It certainly seems that you are going to continue to hold onto your title;)

When I stated that evolution is the "denial of Christianity", I MEANT that evolution contradicts creation, thereby denying that God created man in his own image (unless God is a monkey, insect, fish, whatever)...and thereby "denies Christianity"...Notice that I did not mention any of my own personal beliefs regarding any religion...I was making a general statement..I didn't even say that the theory of evolution was incorrect, or even questionable, just that it denies Christianity (which is a fact)..I do appreciate all of the information about it, however

You still can't convince me that any religion is being TAUGHT in public schools

You did make a couple of good points about the selected commandments that pertain only to God

As for the "Thou shalt not kill (how about in self defense?)"..I do believe that it has a basic meaning...The same as saying "We really shouldn't kill each other", which generally doesn't need any explanation, or get any arguments...As far as that goes, your "how about?" can be used for nearly ANY statement...There is an exception to pretty much anything

I still don't believe that the Pledge Of Allegiance is going to recruit any Christians

As far as "being exposed to God"...There are FAR worse things for a child to be exposed to in public schools, and 90% of that comes from the other students, not the teachers...Just ONE of the MANY reasons that I DO homeschool my children;)

I do feel that all that I stated is well within reason

It seems that you are a bit on the defensive lately, Stingy...I do hope that all is well:)

Well, you're right about that. Christianity is not being taught in public schools ... but wouldn't the Christians love it if it was!

I get defensive when I debate. It is my nature. It's my "debate persona". :) But, it's all in good fun.

I'm sorry if I made the assumption that you were Christian. It seems that I did, according to what I posted. But, my argument was really for Christians who hold the view that their God needs to be in the public schools at any cost.

I would post more, but I have to take a shower and get my mom's house. My wife is breathing down my neck for wasting time here!

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Well, you're right about that. Christianity is not being taught in public schools ... but wouldn't the Christians love it if it was! Yes...They most definitely would
Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I get defensive when I debate. It is my nature. It's my "debate persona". :) But, it's all in good fun.
LOL...Taurus;)
Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I'm sorry if I made the assumption that you were Christian. It seems that I did, according to what I posted. But, my argument was really for Christians who hold the view that their God needs to be in the public schools at any cost.No harm done...I am unscathable:D...and I certainly appreciate your views

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Read my above post, Ege...I never said that evolution was not a valid theory, nor did I mention that I had any affiliation with ANY religion...So, you certainly didn't offend ME in the least...It actually almost makes me wonder who you may be referring to...lol

Actually, I was referring to anyone religious people in general who may read that comment. I do realize that evolution directly contradicts a direct translation of the bible, ergo Christianity.

One thing I don't see, however, is why there should be any selectiveness when it comes to teaching science in schools. Science can be wrong, believe me. Scientists used to think many things that have been disproven. But to completely circumvent the topic is really just taking a shit on the entire scientific process. I would dread the day that we went back to a non-scientific way of thinking, e.g. "God is blessing us when it rains", when we know that there is a valid, sound and proven scientific explanation for what is happening. To deny that is to throw ourselves back into the dark ages.

I'm kind of defensive lately too, my objectivity has kind of diminished lately. I'll work my best at bringing it back, but it seems as if the topics that we've been discussing lately are all of great importance to me and for some reason bring out these dramatic responses. That's not the way I usually am. I tend to fit more of the cold, scientific Scorpio profile when it comes to arguing. I'm letting my emotions become entangled.

[Arioch]

It seems that you are a bit on the defensive lately, Stingy...I do hope that all is well

Well you did jump into this arguement as the "only voice or reason":rolleyes:

Agreed that its not being "taught" in schools, there is no christianity 101 class. But it sure as hell is leaned towards. It doesnt bother me in the pledge, i agree its not gonna recruit anyone, besides stating where our government obviously stands on religion:rolleyes:

The 10 commandments up in school is a fucking joke tho. Not only does it have shit ONLY pertaining to christianity (although alot of good morality guidlines ill admit), its just not something that non-christain raised children need to be subjected to every day because it doesnt bother the christian majority...

Its a simple issue of majority in religion, the christians want it in school because they are the majority and feel they have the "correct" view on which religion to practice....

And bloodrayne if you dont want to get people defensive, you might try jumping into the middle of an argument with a little less "high and mighty" attitude....sure as hell pissed me off....

[yourlastmistake]

Colin Powell......... unfortunately he will not run. Surely some racist asshole would assassinate him just because he's black.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
Colin Powell......... unfortunately he will not run. Surely some racist asshole would assassinate him just because he's black.


You're right...but he would rock as president.

[yourlastmistake]

Yeah, his wife told him not to because of that reason.

[Arioch]

Colin Powell......... unfortunately he will not run. Surely some racist asshole would assassinate him just because he's black

I think we need a Black and/or Woman president as SOON as possible....drive the fucking republicans INSANE!!!

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
Colin Powell......... unfortunately he will not run. Surely some racist asshole would assassinate him just because he's black.

He would make an AWESOME president, but as you said, he probably would get assassinated even if he did make it into office.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Arioch
I think we need a Black and/or Woman president as SOON as possible....drive the fucking republicans INSANE!!!

*giggles*

[yourlastmistake]

I'm Republican and it would'nt drive me crazy. Only if Hillary was elected president.

[yourlastmistake]

I guess Republican is a taboo word around here.

[Arioch]

I'm Republican and it would'nt drive me crazy. Only if Hillary was elected president.

LOL nice!!!

I guess Republican is a taboo word around here.

Not at all...youll find many that agree with you here i imagine...they just havent been real vocal on the thread yet....bloodrayne will back you up on everything im sure....just don't dare call her a republican:D

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
I'm Republican and it would'nt drive me crazy. Only if Hillary was elected president.

Hehe..

http://votehillary.org/graphics/top.jpg

[yourlastmistake]

LOL!!! I expected something like that from you Egekrusher.

Gotta go......... wife's home with groceries.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Arioch
I think we need a Black and/or Woman president as SOON as possible....drive the fucking republicans INSANE!!! I don't even understand that comment...I have ALWAYS felt that Condaleeza Rice would make an excellent president...She is intelligent, she knows foreign affairs and policies, she has extremely good ideas about how to deal with so many issues..and if Hillary were president, I SWEAR that I would defect...Talk about HORROR:eek:

[Arioch]

Oh you know what it means....

[fluffho]

heheheheheh

owned

*giggles*

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Wow.. ok, so maybe I misunderstood you previously. Sorry for any flames directed towards you.


Cool, thanks for saying so.... me too!

[HappyCamper]

I would have voted for Colin Powell if he ran in the last election, however I will never vote for him if he decided to ever run..

I lost all respect for him, when he became part of this 'find the weapons of mass destruction' fiasco...and he became a

Presidential Administration puppet with George Dubya's hand shoved up his ass!

[Freddy Krueger.]

Jerry Springer!



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[wufong]

according to evolutionist. what hitler and stalin did, wasn't a bad thing at all. it was only a natural human behaviour. so iguess we should all lay off on the hating of hitler and the likes.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by wufong
according to evolutionist. what hitler and stalin did, wasn't a bad thing at all. it was only a natural human behaviour. so iguess we should all lay off on the hating of hitler and the likes.

Where in the HELL did you get that from? First of all, it's geneticists, not evolutionists, that studied his practices. They condemn the experiments that he did, and they certainly don't agree with his theories. The only reason they study what he did was because he was the only person bold enough to experiment. There are plenty of genetic experiments that go on today, but they don't go about it in such a.... crude way. For instance, they don't make women fuck horses to try and breed them together.

Evolutionists don't experiment at all, they form ideas and let other people do the experimentation.

[wufong]

well what i'm saying is that. according to evolutionist we are animals. so anything us humans do is just natural. and if we are doing what is natural for us how can we do any wrong? really.
like just say, a ant colony that is more powerful takes over another ant colony and kills them all. do we say that those ants are evil? or that they were wrong to do so? no we just say thats mother nature.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by wufong
well what i'm saying is that. according to evolutionist we are animals. so anything us humans do is just natural. and if we are doing what is natural for us how can we do any wrong? really.
like just say, a ant colony that is more powerful takes over another ant colony and kills them all. do we say that those ants are evil? or that they were wrong to do so? no we just say thats mother nature.

Even evolutionists don't think that we are "just another animal". We have the ability to think, and to change our natural habits, which makes us signifigantly different from any other animals on this planet. There are certain things that are instinctual, even the bible says that. But for the most part, we are in control of ourselves, and not being controlled by instinct.