Gun Rights & Gun Control

[HappyCamper]

Well since, Egekrusher put the Abortion issue out there and bwind22 put the 'Great Marijuana Debate' out there. I figured I'd try and find out what peoples views on Gun Rights and Gun control are.


I am personally against ANY and ALL forms of gun control. Just because some psycho picks up any UZI and goes into a school or business and blows away their classmates or co-workers doesn't give the government the right to tell me that I can't own an UZI.

Guns aren't the problem. Dumbasses with Guns are the problem.

Alot of people label me as a 'militia' because of my views, but i'm far from miltia. I know a cop and a doctor that have the same views as me so...

[orangestar]

Im very anti-gun, but I assume a lot of people on here are pro-gun, so I wont try to force anybody to agree with me.

[Egekrusher]

I am completely against gun control.

Americans think that the reason our violent crime rate is so high is because we're allowed guns. I've got some news for ya: THAT'S NOT THE REASON.

Canada has a MUCH higher rate of gun ownership than America does, has not even 1/20th of the violent crimes.

Why does America have so much violent crime? FEAR. That's right, Americans are afraid of their own shadows. You don't believe me? Walk up to a strangers house, in the middle of the day, and knock on their door. See what their reaction is. If they don't know you, they will eye you very hard, deny you access, and call the cops if they think you might even be a remote threat. Now, go to another country and do this. See what happens.

[Stingy Jack]

Well, this is a dificult topic for me (more difficult than the abortion one). I am not anti-gun. I do believe that invidiuals should be able to own a firearm, for protection. But, I do think that some guns are a little over-the-top. It is one thing to say that you own a handgun to protect your home and family, and quite another to say that you own an arsenal of automatic firearms stocked in your basement for the day when "the commies attack." I don't understand these types of people. But, I would never say that decent citizens cannot own these weapons, as long as they are responsible enough to keep them securely locked and inaccessible.

But, HappyCamper says that he is against ANY and ALL forms of gun control. With this statement, he has basically said that a violent criminal with a long history of "assault with a deadly weapon charges" (among other things) should be able to freely and easily purchase any of gun of his choice any time he chooses. Or, guns should be allowed to be sold out of ice cream trucks to children of all ages. This, I'm sorry to say, is complete bullshit. I agree with SOME form of gun control. I mean, these are deadly weapons we are talking about. We need to be able to control who buys them and how easily they can get them.

[Egekrusher]

Where's Michael Moore when you need him?

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I am completely against gun control.

Americans think that the reason our violent crime rate is so high is because we're allowed guns. I've got some news for ya: THAT'S NOT THE REASON.

Canada has a MUCH higher rate of gun ownership than America does, has not even 1/20th of the violent crimes.

Why does America have so much violent crime? FEAR. That's right, Americans are afraid of their own shadows. You don't believe me? Walk up to a strangers house, in the middle of the day, and knock on their door. See what their reaction is. If they don't know you, they will eye you very hard, deny you access, and call the cops if they think you might even be a remote threat. Now, go to another country and do this. See what happens.

Been watching Bowling for Columbine, have we? :D

[Stingy Jack]

Anyway, in addition to my first post here, I have to say that I agree with the current gun control laws that are in effect: background checks and waiting periods. If a decent citizen wants to own a gun, he should have to go through these processes. A little temporary inconvenience on the part of the gun buyer goes a long way to keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Anyway, in addition to my first post here, I have to say that I agree with the current gun control laws that are in effect: background checks and waiting periods. If a decent citizen wants to own a gun, he should have to go through these processes. A little temporary inconvenience on the part of the gun buyer goes a long way to keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

You're right, background checks & waiting periods are great for gun control. But if a criminal wants to buy a gun, they can find a way. (Ordell from Jackie Brown comes to mind). I think Police should have guns, and maybe hunters. Thats it.


If there were no guns, there would be no gun related deaths.

[Stingy Jack]

Orangestar, in an ideal world, I would agree with you. But, the problem I have with eliminating gun sales all together (just police officers or other government personnel being issued a piece), is that what you would end up with is:

People Who Would Own Guns:

1. Government Personnel
2. Hunters (maybe, as you said)
3. Criminals who obtained them illegally

What is missing? The innocent, decent, law-abiding citizen who now has no effective method to protect himself and his family from the armed criminals.

[HappyCamper]

I should be probably actually explain my view a bit further.

I'm against waiting periods for guns, because by definition a criminal is one who doesn't follow the law. do you think a criminal is going to go into a gun store and try and buy a gun, of course not, he's going to go buy it from the guy in the black van in a dark alley. By getting rid of waiting periods for gun purchase, you're making it easier for the law abiding citizen to purchase a weapon to protect him or her self.

I also don't see a problem with owning a full automatic weapon. Sure I don't really need one, but why should that give the governement the right to tell me I can't have one. I don't really NEED a TV but you don't see the govt, outlawing those.

Also there are over 20,000 gun statutes on the books, a don't think 1 more is going to solve the gun-violence issue.

and finally...

Ban Guns, Make the Streets Safe for a Government to Take Over!

or and by the way, i'm not a militia member, I just don't trust our goverment, and anyone who says they trust the government 100% is a fool

[fluffho]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
do you think a criminal is going to go into a gun store and try and buy a gun, of course not, he's going to go buy it from the guy in the black van in a dark alley.

what is your logic with this statement? the only reason a criminal buys from the black van (or steals from someone) is because 1) the person doesnt want to wait 2) they have a criminal record and arent allowed too

[Stingy Jack]

What about the cases of people who are enraged, and rush out to buy a gun? Don't you think waiting periods are good for this reason?

[fluffho]

Originally posted by fluffho
what is your logic with this statement? the only reason a criminal buys from the black van (or steals from someone) is because 1) the person doesnt want to wait 2) they have a criminal record and arent allowed too

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
What about the cases of people who are enraged, and rush out to buy a gun? Don't you think waiting periods are good for this reason?

glad to know im not crazy.

id have to say.. das ist der einge dumme dinge gehort ich hat uber all.

yeh, i made it ununderstandable. but i really wanted to say that is all

[Stingy Jack]

Umm ... if you just went off on me in German, I got a pic for you. My last post was a question for Happy Camper.


So, here's the pic. If you didn't go off on me in German, then please disregard.

[fluffho]

lol that wasnt towards u silly. ill PM u

[HappyCamper]

fluffho i agree with you on the van thing. A criminal buys from a guy in a van cause he can't buy it from a store, so the waiting periods don't really effect the criminals, they effect the law abiding citizens, that was my point, guess I just didn't address that well...


oh and my German sucks

[fluffho]

ok lets think about this

who would be more likely to need a gun RIGHT NOW?

someone who is going to stash it in the top of the closet with the bullets locked in a safe (safety precaution for kids) becuase he wants to protect his family??

or someone who wants to off someone or rob a bank??

i think its safe to say that the majority of people who have an issue with the wait list/background check is well... criminals

[HappyCamper]

as far as people who are enraged and rush out and buy a gun, how many people do you know who would actually run out and buy a gun and kill their co-workers or class mates?

[HappyCamper]

well I have to say that I believe getting rid of guns, won't work...our government can't keep drugs out of the country, how are they going to keep guns out? also getting rid of guns, just means people would find another way to kill each other.

like I said earlier, the problem isn't with the guns, it's with the people.

i'm done.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
as far as people who are enraged and rush out and buy a gun, how many people do you know who would actually run out and buy a gun and kill their co-workers or class mates?

Well, nobody I know. But it has happened.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
as far as people who are enraged and rush out and buy a gun, how many people do you know who would actually run out and buy a gun and kill their co-workers or class mates?

majority of crimes ARE crimes of passion. you are heated and arent thinking straight.

think about it. i would never kill anyone. but if one day i walked in and my best friend was raping my young daughter...... (yes, this has happen several times before of course not to me).

you dont do you research do you?? :p

[HappyCamper]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Well, nobody I know. But it has happened.

no argument with you there. sorry if I offended you or anybody else.

[HappyCamper]

crimes of passion due happen, no argument there.

i'm just saying i think the waiting periods don't really work how they're supposedly set up to work. that's all.

i think we're all in agreement, that criminals are going to get guns no matter what, we or our government try to do about it.

[Stingy Jack]

No, I'm not offended. I rarely get offended, unless someone starts to attack me personally for my opinions (like calling me stupid, ugly, fat, stinky ... that kind of thing). And when that happens, I usually just stop talking to the person. They're wasting my time.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
crimes of passion due happen, no argument there.

i'm just saying i think the waiting periods don't really work how they're supposedly set up to work. that's all.

i think we're all in agreement, that criminals are going to get guns no matter what, we or our government try to do about it.

point of waiting period

1) to do a background check
2) in case that person IS heated and wants to off someone, this will give them cooling down time

[HappyCamper]

i'm not starting any more issue topics

[fluffho]

just giving my opinions and what i know is all..

[HappyCamper]

hey everyone here is still cool in my book.

[wufong]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
well I have to say that I believe getting rid of guns, won't work...our government can't keep drugs out of the country, how are they going to keep guns out? also getting rid of guns, just means people would find another way to kill each other.

like I said earlier, the problem isn't with the guns, it's with the people.

i'm done.
Gun control doesn't work, cause it's like the old saying. "guns don't kill people, people do" (or what ever) Australia had fairly lack gun controls, we had to have liecences and the like, but nothing to drastic. then one day some nut case went whacko in tasmania and killed about 20 or so people, and the anti gun lobby went went crazy and now we have some ofthe toughest gun regulations in the world. but the gun crime has actually soared since the new laws came in to effect. I guess they forgot another saying " if you out law guns, only outlaws will have guns".
anywho l'm agaisnt gun control, it just doesn't work

[Freddy Krueger.]

"Guns don't kill people. I kill people."

I'm not allowed to own or even handle a firing arm. But don't stop me. I'm a Gun Nut. And what they don't know can't hurt'em.

[Egekrusher]

What about the poor bastard who wants to off himself and has to wait 2 weeks to do it? Huh? THINK ABOUT THE SUICIDAL MANIACS!!!

[Stingy Jack]

They could buy some rat poison or a rope. Or use a belt. Razor blades are pretty cheap, and so are high windows.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
They could buy some rat poison or a rope. Or use a belt. Razor blades are pretty cheap, and so are high windows.

I was joking man. Seriously.
















































So where does a guy find a high window around here, anyways?

[kpropain]

Well I have stated my case on this issue before and I will say it again...I am very pro-gun ownership and will defend my right to bear arms...I am a survivalist and will defend my right whole heartedly...I may never see anyhing that will heed the reason to use the collection of guns I have amassed, but if it does I will be ready...Call me a nut or whatever but in the day and times we live in with terrorism, it is very much a possibility...

Here is pretty much most of what I own...;)

IMI Galil 361 AR .223 pre-ban
AR-15 BUSHMASTER M4A3
IMI UZI Model A 9mm pre-ban
Intra Tec TEC-9 9mm pre-ban
Mauser Mark X Chambered 300 Win. Mag.
Remington 700 BDL Custom Deluxe 7mm Ultra Mag.
Winchester 54 Chambered 30-06
Marlin 982S .22
Browning Gold 10 Gauge Stalker
Remington 1100 12 Gauge
Beretta .410
IMI Desert Eagle .50AE
Taurus 608 .357 Mag. 8 Round
Colt 1911A1 .45
Smith & Wesson SW40VE .40
Taurus 938B .380

[Egekrusher]

Jesus...

If Japan ever does a land invasion, I'm coming to live with you.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Jesus...

If Japan ever does a land invasion, I'm coming to live with you.

LMFAO

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by kpropain
LMFAO

Well, they're the only country that could even come close to pulling it off. Their military is larger than the entire population of the U.S.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Well, they're the only country that could even come close to pulling it off. Their military is larger than the entire population of the U.S.

u gotta remember though japanese are small...

[kpropain]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Well, they're the only country that could even come close to pulling it off. Their military is larger than the entire population of the U.S.

I would be worried more about China than Japan...

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by kpropain
I would be worried more about China than Japan...

I'm talking land invasion though. Granted, China is much more agressive by nature and in world affairs, but I'd be more worried about them starting a nuclear war than trying to invade.

[KRUGERKID13]

they can have my gun when they take the criiminals first.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I'm talking land invasion though. Granted, China is much more agressive by nature and in world affairs, but I'd be more worried about them starting a nuclear war than trying to invade.

You are exactly right, though in this day in age, I believe the most in a land invasion we would see would be terrorist cells operating in the U.S. going nuts and trying shit...

Also for anyone interested here is a link to a very good online book about surviving nuclear war or chemical warfare...

NUCLEAR WAR SURVIVAL SKILLS (http://www.beyondweird.com/nuclearwar/)

[movieman64]

I think everyone, (except convicted felons) should be required to carry a firearm on their person at all times. That way you'll think twice about cutting somebody off in traffic, or complaining about your Big Mac, because you know their packing heat, but they will know you are too...now we have a standoff.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by movieman64
I think everyone, (except convicted felons) should be required to carry a firearm on their person at all times. That way you'll think twice about cutting somebody off in traffic, or complaining about your Big Mac, because you know their packing heat, but they will know you are too...now we have a standoff.

Woah ... are you serious? It's hard to tell with you. When you first started posting, you were pretty serious about everything you said, and you gradually started to loosen up. If you're joking, then PHEW!
If not: Yeah, we might start treating each other with a little more respect, but ... I don't know if I would be too happy living in the society you describe. Every time I set foot out the door, I would be in fear. And a society that is afraid starts falling apart pretty quick.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by movieman64
I think everyone, (except convicted felons) should be required to carry a firearm on their person at all times. That way you'll think twice about cutting somebody off in traffic, or complaining about your Big Mac, because you know their packing heat, but they will know you are too...now we have a standoff.

haha good in theory. Like communism.

[Hate_Breeder]

All i need is Brass nucks. If i die then at least i'll go out like a man

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by movieman64
I think everyone, (except convicted felons) should be required to carry a firearm on their person at all times. That way you'll think twice about cutting somebody off in traffic, or complaining about your Big Mac, because you know their packing heat, but they will know you are too...now we have a standoff.

I agree. If we all did this, all the stupid people would kill each other and not pass on their genes. This would be a huge bonus for the gene pool. We could put them on Darwin Awards too. :)




You do realize that was a joke, right?

[kpropain]

Originally posted by movieman64
I think everyone, (except convicted felons) should be required to carry a firearm on their person at all times. That way you'll think twice about cutting somebody off in traffic, or complaining about your Big Mac, because you know their packing heat, but they will know you are too...now we have a standoff.

HAHA yeah I hear ya!! If that were the case I would walk around with my Desert Eagle brandished on my hip at all times...:D

Hell I pretty much carry my .380 around anyway though, and my .45 is usually in my car...

[movieman64]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Woah ... are you serious? It's hard to tell with you. When you first started posting, you were pretty serious about everything you said, and you gradually started to loosen up. If you're joking, then PHEW!
If not: Yeah, we might start treating each other with a little more respect, but ... I don't know if I would be too happy living in the society you describe. Every time I set foot out the door, I would be in fear. And a society that is afraid starts falling apart pretty quick.


I've worked in a prison for over 17 years...some people consider my sense of humor as morbid. Like I've said many times before, in my job you have to laugh or scream, (sometimes a little of both) to help deal with the stressors.

To answer your question, I was kidding, I'm pro gun, not pro stupid.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by movieman64
I've worked in a prison for over 17 years...some people consider my sense of humor as morbid. Like I've said many times before, in my job you have to laugh or scream, (sometimes a little of both) to help deal with the stressors.

To answer your question, I was kidding, I'm pro gun, not pro stupid.

Yeah, I don't envy you.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
All i need is Brass nucks. If i die then at least i'll go out like a man

if even that man.

but for rela. any pussy can shoot a gun. it takes a real man to put up some fists even kicks

<~a real man

althoug im definitely more of a kicker cuz i dont want to break my nails. or an elbower

[bwind22]

I love my right to bare arms.

(Almost as much as I loved my right to free speech that was stripped from me when someone deleted my 'predict the attack' thread.)

:p

I'm not bitter.



























Seriously. I'm not bitter.