Rap Lyrics

[orangestar]

We've been having some really good debates lately on HDC so I thought I'd add one more.


What do you think about the lyrics of rap songs? Specifically ones derogitory towards women and gay people. Does it affect kids?


Personally, I dont mind specific words, I mind the message. IMO, it is changing the way guys think about girls. Its teaching guys my age that it's okay to treat women like objects. But saying 'bitch' in a song isnt going to make me hate it. It's all about the context.

[BudMan]

Can't say that I've heard enough rap to give an opinion. Just ain't my style of music. Can ya dig it. < see what I mean, thats as close to gangsta as I get. Yo diggitty.

[ShankS]

I dont like rap.

[fluffho]

how about all those big hair bands from back in the day. they sang about shit like that. but no one ratted on them

i dont care what they talk about. if people want to do it i think theyd do it regardless of the music

anyways id right songs abou my legions of dudes and how i treat them like shit if i were to become famous. so maybe good thing im not becoming a singer huh otherwise o'reilly would be on my ass. oh how id love to tear that man a new one

anyways its just scapegoats. dont talk about kids taking rap music seriously. try talking about how shitty the school systems are, and how a fuckin proposition to charge $.10 on every mocha lattte, and the money to go to innercity schools, was just too much for people and struck down? fat cats have the nerve to whine about gangsters running around but wont even pay $.10 to help with the schools... and i thought my hs was shitty.

[fluffho]

and heres one

how the hell acn we yell at the men "treating women like objects" when its the women that allow themselves to be treated that way?

as much as i like ludicrous or whoever, i wouldnt fuckin suck his balls or anything. and hes not paying these women, nor is he drugging them, they go WILLINGLY...

but of cuorse no one ever considers that...

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by orangestar
We've been having some really good debates lately on HDC so I thought I'd add one more.


What do you think about the lyrics of rap songs? Specifically ones derogitory towards women and gay people. Does it affect kids?


Personally, I dont mind specific words, I mind the message. IMO, it is changing the way guys think about girls. Its teaching guys my age that it's okay to treat women like objects. But saying 'bitch' in a song isnt going to make me hate it. It's all about the context.

I think it depends on who is saying it, and the tone in their voice. I mean when I listen to an Eminem song like "Kill You" or an ICP song like "I Stab People" I know that they are just kidding around. And Everybody got so mad at Eminem's lyrics in "Kill You" that they didn't even stop and realize that at the end of the song he says "I'm just playin America, I love You" or something along those lines.

I also think it depends on the individual who is subjected to the lyrical content of a rap album, (even though not all rap is bad) it depends on there age, and possiably even there mental stability. I for one would not hand my 6 year old sister my Insane Clown Posse CD Collection (I have them all w00t w00t!, lol), instead I burned her a copy of my t.A.t.U. CD. I think that if an older child is still impreshinable they should be monitared on what that they listen to, as they may not be aware when a certin lyricist is serious or not.

I would also like to add that I am against censorship, wether it be on the internet, movies, in movies, or in print. On the other hand I support Parental Advisory stickers on albums, but only as a means of parents and legal guardians to be aware of what their children are listen to. I am against letting these Parental Advisory stickers stopping, 16, 15, and even 14 year olds from buying records.

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[Stingy Jack]

Excellent response by Jay!

I agree. Rap songs, even though I do not like them, should not be censored for content. This is the scenario when the government begins to dictate morality to the population. That's not the government's job. It is the parents' job to regulate what their children watch/read/listen to. Those kind of songs are not meant for children to hear, anyway. Although, if someone were to a listen to a song that ultimately made him act a certain way (he goes out and begins treating women like objects), I would not blame the song. It's the dude's fault for being too stupid to figure out how to behave for himself and going to a rap song to tell him how to be.

[friday13thfan]

i agree with jay

i like ICP and eminem. they don't mean what the saying. un like 50 cent who i can see dead in less then a year. hey jay do you lik cartoon nightmares

[jay o2 waster]

what's cartoon nightmares

[Sistinas]

I like the Chinese Freestyle Rap by CkY-other than that,rap is shit.
You can't beat lyrics like "Only Americans eat duck sauce,and my soy sauce is for you,I can put it in your shoe".Classic.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by fluffho
anyways id right songs abou my legions of dudes and how i treat them like shit if i were to become famous. so maybe good thing im not becoming a singer huh otherwise o'reilly would be on my ass. oh how id love to tear that man a new one.

LOL That's some funny shit Fluff.

I think Jay, Fluff and Stingy all made good points here.

Anyone that buys an album and then copies what the lyrics say is either A.) a complete retard, or B.) an impressionable kid. It's the second one that the recording industry needs to keep an eye on. Kids in the age group of maybe 12-18 are quite impressionable. They look at MTV to learn how to talk, how to act, how to dress, etc... (That in mind, whichever corporate fat cat is sitting behind the desk on the top level of MTV's corporate offices is, in my opinion, one of the most powerful people in the world. Think about the influence that person has on pop culture.)

I am very anti-censorship. Freedom of speech is one of the basic human rights this country was founded on. I am also pro-Parental Advisory stickers. Parents need to be aware if that new CD they just bought their 13 year old daughter is raunchy or not, the problem is... Most parents don't do that. I think if someone under the age of 18 wants an advisory CD, they should have to have their parent with them to buy it. If they don't want their parent there, it's probably because their parent wouldn't want them to have it. If there parent is cool with them having that sort of music, that's fine. They can go buy it for their kid.

Marilyn Manson getting blamed for Columbine was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It reminded me of that guy that killed himself and then they tried to blame it on Juda's Priest claiming that there was subliminal messages backwards in the recording. Okay, that's just stupid.

As for 'rap' lyrics in particular, they aren't saying anything new. No one can tell me that Madonna hasn't been objectifying herself for 20 years! Practically every modern pop song has a negative message if you really listen to the lyrics. (Of course there is some exceptions, but they are probably fewer and farther between than you might think.) Heavy Metal/Hard Rock bands have been singing about sex, drugs, and Rock N' Roll (and violence) for years.

[Stingy Jack]

Well, I think the trend here is rebellion. Teenagers HAVE to rebel against their parents at some point in order to psychologically establish a sense of independence. And the parents HAVE to fight the kids in this rebellion, otherwise the independence would not feel as if it was truly earned. How are you independent if your parents gave you that independence? This is why, I think, kids who have extremely lenient parents tend to be more rebellious than other kids, either through violence, drugs, or some other crimes. The kids with the lenient parents keep pushing their parents, hoping to get that fight out of them. And they go to more and extreme methods to get it.

But, since kids in each generation have to rebel, the parents of each generation become more and more lenient. Think back to Elvis Pressley ... that is pretty tame schtuff. And yet, my mother recalls the day when she had to fight her mom to get to watch him on Ed Sullivan. So, it took a bit more to shock my mom than it did to shock my grandmother. And the trend keeps going. The "teenage" stuff becomes more and more shocking as the parents become more and more "well, I did THAT when I was thier age."

Imagine what it's going to take to shock the teenagers of this generation when THEY become parents?

[friday13thfan]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
what's cartoon nightmares

its a song by ICP it is on their forgotten freshness volume 3 cd.

[fluffho]

its sad really, but MTV is probably the most powerful force in the US. i was about to say planet, but.. i dont think its that far.. yet

and its true, kids need to rebel at their parents at some point in their lives. which is why i brought up inner city schoosl earlier. generally, the issue with kids copying the rap lyrics, living the lifestyle, is NOT an issue in the area where i grew up. i look at my HS and think its complete shit, but its nothing compared to the schools the majority of young, black children go to.

its sad really, a lot of them dont even have dctionaries in each room for christs sake. and where do the parents come in? now first of all, if the child is even lucky enough to hae both parents around, usually these parents are both working full time. it sucks, they arent able to spend time with their kids but they need to be able to pay the bills.

keep in mind im speaking here abou very young children. its one thing for high school students to listen to this stuf, at least i THINK the majority of us are smarter than that.. but we hav elementary school kids listening to this crap. now i hafto say, when I was in elementary school, i had mom and dad watching me and making sure i wasnt watching or listening to anything too violent/sexual/etc. but of course.... im one of the privileged ones.

thats the 1 thing that pisses me off abou o'reilly. he would sit there and bitch and complain abou the little kids copying rappers, WHICH IS TRUE. but he would blame ludicrous for it. i have an elementary school right here, and these kids are FINE!!! same thing i keep stressing, we need to do something abou these fucked up schools we have, i mean both school and after school programs.

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by fluffho
keep in mind im speaking here abou very young children. its one thing for high school students to listen to this stuf, at least i THINK the majority of us are smarter than that.. but we hav elementary school kids listening to this crap. now i hafto say, when I was in elementary school, i had mom and dad watching me and making sure i wasnt watching or listening to anything too violent/sexual/etc. but of course.... im one of the privileged ones.


excellent point it all comes back to the parents. face it, if you kids turn out to be pieces of shit, ITS YOUR FAULT dammit. Blaming music for killings, rapes, or degradation is like blaming Forks for Oprah being fat. Insane. Unfortunately we as Americans have gotten used to being able to smoke for 45 years and have our families sue Big Tobacco because we died from it, news flash, What the phuk did you think was going to happen?

Or stick a cup of coffee between our legs and sue McDonalds because ya roasted the kitty. Wake up dumb ass, ITS HOT PHUKIN COFFEE. You would have to be one masochistic son of a bitch to even remotely enjoy that.

Unfortunately as long as there are these social misfits that cant seem to function daily without a personal cd player playing the words "breath breath breath breath breath" just so that they can remember to are allowed to set the standards for morality, we are going to have to deal with crap like this all the time.

[KRUGERKID13]

you know what this forum should do stray away from stuff not horror and get back to debates on horror movies no offense to anyone cause i do it just as much

[Je Suis Phnomne]

best part about the site.....

[KRUGERKID13]

thanks man whats the url for this site again oh yeah www.horror.com

[fluffho]

Originally posted by KRUGERKID13
no offense to anyone cause i do it just as much

[Hate_Breeder]

I agree with Je Suis

[shiftyc2]

it does indeed effect children, it makes them think it is ok to sell drugs and shoot at people because the rappers speak on these subjects like its no big deal.

[ShankS]

I dont like rap.

[feral cat]

Originally posted by shiftyc2
it does indeed effect children, it makes them think it is ok to sell drugs and shoot at people because the rappers speak on these subjects like its no big deal.

... I really don’t think anyone takes rap records that seriously ... people do that stuff cause there poor and live in a shit area with no education!!!!

... All those school killings like columbine where white kids that listened to metal ... I don’t blame metal, they where just idiots.

I love the way people say its harmless if the rappers are white like ICP and Eminem ... I would say Eminem has a lot more influence than most rappers ... and he has got to be the one that’s the most down on women disrespecting his mother and the mother of his child! I don’t think I ever heard a black rapper disrespect his mother ... not that im a big fan ... to much blinging for me (What ever the fuck that is ... u yanks have some stupid words)

[Sistinas]

Originally posted by ShankS
I dont like rap.



ditto