Cannibal Holocaust authentic yay or nay

[ShankS]

How authentic is this film, I watched it yesterday for the first time, read through the CH thread somewhere, but is there any real proof that this is, well....... what you see is actually real..

I must admit, some of it did look pretty real to me, or the guys in charge of special effects and makeup really knew their stuff, cos some of the scenes pulled off looked pretty convincing, for the age of the film.

there was brief info before the end credits about prosecution, but was the guy prosecuted due to the nature of it even though it was fake or because it was real and he broke boundires with what shouldnt have been filmed.

I didnt find the film disturbing, just increased my curiosity around such a title as this.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
How authentic is this film, I watched it yesterday for the first time, read through the CH thread somewhere, but is there any real proof that this is, well....... what you see is actually real..

I must admit, some of it did look pretty real to me, or the guys in charge of special effects and makeup really knew their stuff, cos some of the scenes pulled off looked pretty convincing, for the age of the film.

there was brief info before the end credits about prosecution, but was the guy prosecuted due to the nature of it even though it was fake or because it was real and he broke boundires with what shouldnt have been filmed.

I didnt find the film disturbing, just increased my curiosity around such a title as this.

as an italian film fan (got my badge and everything) what do you need to know

[ShankS]

if the story behind the dvd was true, then are the clips in the dvd from the actual film footage taken during real events. It's just that over the years I've read so much speculation as to it's authenticity, it would be nice for some clarrification, if not that, what you guys think of it.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
if the story behind the dvd was true, then are the clips in the dvd from the actual film footage taken during real events. It's just that over the years I've read so much speculation as to it's authenticity, it would be nice for some clarrification, if not that, what you guys think of it.

what story, the filmmakers disappearing in the jungle...you've been reading too much. it's a film......there is real footage mix into the film, when they show the footage from the "teams" previous documentary they used footage from a mondo movie showing real executions.

[bwind22]

This is what I've been told...

The animal slaughters are authentic.
The human stuff is not.

P.S. That guys weiner getting hacked off look so real I find it hard to believ it wasn't, but that's what I've been told.)

[ShankS]

thats what I wanted to know, wether there was actually real footage in the film from actual events, not just 'scripted'clips added amongst the team being filmed.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bwind22
This is what I've been told...

The animal slaughters are authentic.
The human stuff is not.

P.S. That guys weiner getting hacked off look so real I find it hard to believ it wasn't, but that's what I've been told.)

ok listen up, gather round, this is the gospel.

1) jungle violence against humans - special effects
2) jungle violence against animals - real
3) documentary footage of executions - real

[bwind22]

so....zwoti... are you saying that dude's dick really did get chopped off? Or no?

[ShankS]

I presume i've seen the uncut version, the dvd case is the Vipco red black and white one, nothing on it says uncut

anyway I think the only execution i saw was the bit where the guy takes the woman to the shore side on the boat and disposes of her, whilst she's laying on the mud etc. Unless I'm mistaken or got a cut version thats about it i think.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bwind22
so....zwoti... are you saying that dude's dick really did get chopped off? Or no?

no, that would come under no.1, human violence in the jungle. the real human violence is when they show the documentary (something like last road to hell?) when you see people being shot & executed. this footage is real as from a mondo movie called africa addio. mondo movies are very questionable with a lot of accusations that some of the real deaths on screen were organised purely for the filmmakers.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
I presume i've seen the uncut version, the dvd case is the Vipco red black and white one, nothing on it says uncut

anyway I think the only execution i saw was the bit where the guy takes the woman to the shore side on the boat and disposes of her, whilst she's laying on the mud etc. Unless I'm mistaken or got a cut version thats about it i think.

this one?

[ShankS]

yeah thats the one.



oh yea i remember seeing the african part.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
yeah thats the one.



oh yea i remember seeing the african part.

note theres is no sticker saying uncut. they happily tell you when it's uncut but not when it has been butchered..note on the below cover

[ShankS]

so, do you know anywhere online in the uk, that has an uncut version.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
so, do you know anywhere online in the uk, that has an uncut version.

firstly it's not going to be a uk release, that had nearly 6 minutes cut out. ebay might be an option though you would probably end up with the cut version. i go to shows where i pick up my foreign dvd's, saves any problems with customs.

[ShankS]

I may fire up bit torrent and have a search.



cheers dude :)

[zwoti]

Originally posted by ShankS
I may fire up bit torrent and have a search.



cheers dude :)

be prepared, if you've only seen the cut uk version, there is a lot of real animal killings...so don't say you haven't been warned.

[ShankS]

np's my stomachs pretty hardy.

:)

[bwind22]

I just sold an uncut version to kpro about a month ago.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bwind22
I just sold an uncut version to kpro about a month ago.

poor old shanks, he'll find a copy eventually

[kpropain]

Originally posted by bwind22
I just sold an uncut version to kpro about a month ago.

Hell yeah and it was fucking awesome to... thx Bwind...
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[bwind22]

No prob, dude!

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[42ndStreetFreak]

Just dug this up...And i could not beleive what i was reading!!!

Speculation on whether the deaths in "Can Holo" were REAL???!

Are you guys fucking serious?

You are a tabloid paper's dream come true.

"I find it hard to beleive the guy did not have his dick chopped off"??
and.do you really have to ask the question????...
so....zwoti... are you saying that dude's dick really did get chopped off?

It's a movie!
A movie that got a widespread, international release on cinema, VHS and DVD...A movie that has actors who have worked in other films and who give interviews.....
and you are even contemplating that ACTORS were really killed??? Murdered??!!

The onl real deaths are documentary film deaths...NOTHING to do with the actual movie or it's actors!

You sound like the idiots who wrote garbage like 'Snuffed Out' in the UK papers over Video Nasty films!

Use your heads!
Or at the very least stay WELL away from this film and it's ilk.
Stick to Freddy.

And guess what? "Blair Witch Project" wasn't real either...yeah...*shock*:rolleyes:

[Vodstok]

Judging by your response, freak, you didnt read the entire thread, and if you did, you appear to have missed something. Zwoti cleared everything up, and the basic idea of a snuff film is possible enough, so it was a valid question.

I have no personal interest in CH, but shit on someone else's curiosity about it.

[42ndStreetFreak]

Bullshit! It was not a valid question at all!!
Nothing should have needed 'clearing up'!
For Christ sake how can anyone defend such crap and treat it with even the faintest bit of respect?

It was valid to ask if an actor was really killed and mutilated by the film maker? SERIOUSLY? You think that?

Yeah...
And all those guys Bruce Willis shot...never got up again.
And "ET" really came down.
And Jason really sliced and diced all those unfortumate actors.
And none of the "Blair Witch" actors were ever seen again!!
GROW UP.

Crap like this makes my blood boil!

This kind of 'snuff' bullshit is the garbage 10 year olds say in school playgrounds (but they obviously have an excuse!!) and the propaganda that Censorship groups spread try to get films banned and cut!
And that this mind-set is being spouted in a hORROR FORUM is sad indeed!

With friends like these the horror genre needs no enemies!

Deodato..film maker in various genres, who makes films released all over the world to be seen in public, who works with many actors some more than once, who works on TV and who gets interviewed about his films........
KILLED someone in his movie??? Yeah..right...
What planet do some of you guys live on!?

It's not only insulting to the horror genre to say that 'these' types of people that make 'these' types of films would MURDER ACTORS but an insult to horror fans with even half a brain to have in their ranks idiots who think directors might have killed people for real!!

Such people make us all look like the dumb fuck, moronic horror fan cliche many of us have tried for years to leave behind!

"Hey dude..you hear about this film? they supposedly kill people for real on set"!
"Really? Gross dude"!

GIVE ME FUCKING BREAK!
This is Beavis and Butthead mentality in full flow!

That these moronic questions were even asked is bad eneough...but to then have someone defend the right to ask them?!

Perhaps some people really should stick to "Rugrats" cartoons and do us, the horror genre, films in general and themselves a real big favour!

Oh and I guess the actor who had his dick chopped off must be a REAL sport...as he went on to appear in "City of the Living Dead" and then back to the cannibals again for "Cannibal Ferox"!
Not bad for a dickless dead guy!!
:mad: :rolleyes:

[urgeok]

good points ...

but you are taking the stance that all horror film fans are stable sensible people.

there ARE tons of 'horror fans' out there that dig on the reality of the gore only. Why do you think the 'faces of death' shit exists anyway ? to appeal to the 'sound of music crowd' ?

I understand the frustration at the confusion over whats real what isnt ... yes the movie is a legit release albiet not popular release ...
Yes there is a faux attempt - a la Blair Witch - to make it look like a documentary ...

But to say this kind of conversation gives horror fans a bad image ?

c'mon ! how many critiques are already on this forum where people complain about the lack of gore in a film ? a lot more than the 'lack of style - or social relevance' complaints.

There are a lot of folks attracted to the blood and guts - i used to be.
I think i've grown out of it .. it doesnt really do it for me anymore.
Actually - if it is completely nuts and unrealistic (99% of Evil Dead)
then i find it funny, i love the wild entheusiasm - but the realistic gore (i.e. - people committing violent crimes against each other) i'm getting pretty tired of it ...
It's just getting too close to whe you see in the papers.

I guess it's true .. getting older can possibly mellow a fella depending on what he's been exposed to.

But the vast majority of horror fans are young guys who seem to view exposure to blood and guts as a rite of passage ... I'm a tough guy - i can handle this shit ... well, good for you. your medal is in the mail.

To sit back and try to protect the 'image' of us fright fans like the poppa smurf of horror is kind of a shallow endevour..

People dont care as much as you think. You talk about the past when people scorned the works of James Whale, etc ... well it certainly didnt affect the business did it ? Horror films have been made .. progressivly more violent and graphic. Some times the censors tighten up .. and then they relax again ... cycles.
Reactions to the public demands ...which come and go like the tide.

This is basically a long winded way to say .. relax ... unknot your panties and stop worrying about the image of the fans ...
They'll be making horror films of ALL kinds long after you or I or anyone else here is long gone.

[ShankS]

and the moral of the story is....

.....always make sure you check thats it's ok to make threads on certain subjects, before you press that submit button, otherwise some readers may throw their toys out the pram.

[42ndStreetFreak]

What has gore got to do with anything?
What has a love of gore got to do with anything?

Your whole post missed the point. And wasn't about anything i said!

Liking gore has nothing to do with asking the moronic question..or even contemplating the thought...about whether or not Ruggero Deodato murdered actors!!!

This has nothing to do with what kind of film people like or the content...it's to do with idiots asking if a film maker MURDERED someone!
And that such a question..or even such a thought is in any way anything but absurd!

And what has age got to do with anything??? I know a few young horror fans on message boards, but none of them are sdumb enough to ask if people were really killed in "CH" or did the guy really have his dick cut off!!!
Age is yet another point that has nothing to do with my post. (children aside)

Shanks...you're either 10 years old or an idiot.
Either way, stay the hell away from anything over a PG.
Your mentality is evey right thinking horror fan's worst fucking nightmare!


I'll say it gain...
This kind of 'snuff' bullshit is the garbage propaganda that Censorship groups spread try to get films banned and cut!

[urgeok]

no, i think i addressed a number of your points ...
I aknowledged your frustration at what upset you .. the real vs staged deaths ...
you also mentioned the horror fan cliches ..and potential 'enemys of the genre' i addressed that as well ..

I'm a huge fan of the horror genre ... have been for over 20 years. I'm not a moron and i don't take Shanks to be one either ..

But I'll tell you .. i've seen my fair share of morons that do love horror .. and every other genre ...

Shanks isnt exactly sinking the ship here.

The filmmakers should be bloody proud (pardon the pun) that the make up effects made a fan question their authenticity at all !

[newb]

ET isn't real?

http://www.nedva.ru/b/crybaby.jpg

[ShankS]

Originally posted by newb
ET isn't real?

http://www.nedva.ru/b/crybaby.jpg


are you sure? I could have sworn I saw a bike in the sky yesterday.

[42ndStreetFreak]

No..you don't understand at all...
I understand the frustration at the confusion over whats real what isnt ... yes the movie is a legit release albiet not popular release ...

There is no confusion to be frustrated about. And i'm not.
As it's idiotic to even have ANY KIND of confusion about this!
It's absurd!
To even think for 1 second that this is real, and that people who worked on it were mutilated and murdered is so far out there it's dancing on fucking Pluto!

And this is a film that has been released in countless countries and has had an amazingly long life.
Of course it's popular!
YOU CAN BUY THE FUCKING THING ON AMAZON AND IN HIGH STREET SHOPS!
And yet we have questions about whether or not the film is full of real actors being actually murdered!?

This is not a dirty VHS tape found under a fucking garbage bag in some alleyway!
It's a legit movie that had a wide spread cinema release all over the world, from a well known, proific director, stars actors who have gone on to make other films and is available on countless DVD and VHS releases all around the globe... and can be bought as easily as "Shrek"!
Yet we are seriously contemplating (and taking seriously the question!!) an actor really had his dick chopped off!??
And that actors were slaughtered by the makers?!

Perhaps the DVD's of this should now come with a compulsary IQ test so people like Shanks don't get their minds all confused and drag us back to the days of puritanical witch burning!
Which is exactly the fate horror and exploitation has suffered over such idiotic claims and questions.#

Sod this for a laugh...some of you lot really need to have a good long think about things. As this bullshit is a bad fucking joke.

Shanks...you're supposed to be 32/33 years old? God help you if that's true!

[TheOmen]

Here's a tidbit...Charlie Sheen , in around '87, was watching CH when , covinced it was real, he brought it to the police. So disturbed was he, that he took up a lifestyle of drugs and crime...okay, that last part is just a joke, but he really did bring the tape to the police, saying it was a snuff film. So either these people who think it's real are vindicated by this story, or they're completely embarrassed because Charlie Sheen is an idiot.

[ShankS]

why are you getting so worked up, repeating yourself over and over again..... It wont change anything. If you're that bothered about the thread content then why dont you email a Mod and get them to remove it :rolleyes: If you're that bothered about why people are asking whether it's real or not then another :rolleyes: to you. jeeeezzz I see enough preaching at work and on the Tv, I dont wana come here and have to be preached to by someone who needs to get of their high horse. :rolleyes:

[42ndStreetFreak]

Originally posted by TheOmen
Here's a tidbit...Charlie Sheen , in around '87, was watching CH when , covinced it was real, he brought it to the police. So disturbed was he, that he took up a lifestyle of drugs and crime...okay, that last part is just a joke, but he really did bring the tape to the police, saying it was a snuff film. So either these people who think it's real are vindicated by this story, or they're completely embarrassed because Charlie Sheen is an idiot.

Well in fact it was "Flowers of Flesh and Blood"..not "Cannibal Holocaust".

And to anyone but an idiot that (even though it is made to look simply like one person killing another) is also false due to the fact mutilations are shown from different angles with no camera in shot.
Thus meaning the gore is false or that the woman has the power to re-grow limbs.
Oh...and the fact that the victim went on to make other films of course.

rather like the man who some specimens think had his dick cut off!

But as this Thread proves...idiots come in all shapes, sizes, ages and from many backgrounds!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
No..you don't understand at all...


There is no confusion to be frustrated about. And i'm not.



there is an awfully fine line between exasperation and frustration


And this is a film that has been released in countless countries and has had an amazingly long life.
Of course it's popular!
YOU CAN BUY THE FUCKING THING ON AMAZON AND IN HIGH STREET SHOPS!




Perhaps the DVD's of this should now come with a compulsary IQ test so people like Shanks don't get their minds all confused and drag us back to the days of puritanical witch burning!
Which is exactly the fate horror and exploitation has suffered over such idiotic claims and questions.#



cant be too much damage done by people asking questions if you can buy it as easily as you can Shrek...

I think the dark ages are gone and we are all safe now ...

Other than sex with the odd dead body this was one little thing shanks didnt think all the way through .. I'd have a hard time jumping all over his spine for that ...

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak

But as this Thread proves...idiots come in all shapes, sizes, ages and from many backgrounds!


so does intolerance ... no different from the intolerance that some people show to horror films ..

[TheOmen]

Well in fact it was "Flowers of Flesh and Blood"..not "Cannibal Holocaust".

Okay, but can you see from my post I was actually on your side? So you rant against me like some sort of maniac who has seen to many horror movies? These horror movies sure have a bad effect on people.

[42ndStreetFreak]

Originally posted by TheOmen
Well in fact it was "Flowers of Flesh and Blood"..not "Cannibal Holocaust".

Okay, but can you see from my post I was actually on your side? So you rant against me like some sort of maniac

Exactly where did i rant against YOU?

I will do if you want...but i didn't above.
Thanks though.


This place is going down fast from my initial high estimation.

[EXTR3MIST]

Well, in fact it was a compilation tape compiled by Deep Red editor Chas Balun - his creation consisted of most of The Flower, The Flesh & The Blood, and this was reportedly the tape that fell into the hands of Mr Sheen.

If you ask me, he should get back to polishing furniture (Mr Sheen, not Mr Balun).

It may be surprising to learn some folk are perhaps not jaded or educated enough to know the truth of the "snuff" myth, but only a minority have done enough research on the subject to approach contentious titles such as Cannibal Holocaust with works of art in mind rather than real murder. It is perhaps a testament to the raw power of this film - look at the uproar it caused upon its release, and still does to this day.

Goes to show the power of the press, mind - and that most people have a requirement for "snuff" to exist on some level simply because of video technology and that it may be one of the most heinously humiliating acts of murder man could possibly commit.

[Tat2]

Here is some info I found in the book "Beyond Horror Holocaust" by Chas. Balun:

Pgs. 59-60 "...At the films' world premire, Deodato (Director) was literally chased out of Columbia as rumors spread that he had actually killed native Indios on camera while his crew watched helplessly. Shortly after Cannibal Holocaust primered in his native Italy, a judge ordered the film sequestered. Later, Deodato was convicted under an old law forbidding animal cruelity. He was sentenced to several months in jail, probation, and forced to pay all expenses and legal fees. Deodato's professional reputation was sullied; he became a virtual pariah in the business and went without film work for years after the incident..."


It is also noted as "...what is arguably, The Greatest Cannibal Film Ever Made..."


FYI

[Elvis_Christ]

I'm still waiting for this tape to arrive :confused: Looking foward to it tho sounds great.

[majorbludd]

those were definitely live prarie dogs gettin carved up...that much is for sure

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Well, in fact it was a compilation tape compiled by Deep Red editor Chas Balun - his creation consisted of most of The Flower, The Flesh & The Blood, and this was reportedly the tape that fell into the hands of Mr Sheen.

If you ask me, he should get back to polishing furniture (Mr Sheen, not Mr Balun).

It may be surprising to learn some folk are perhaps not jaded or educated enough to know the truth of the "snuff" myth, but only a minority have done enough research on the subject to approach contentious titles such as Cannibal Holocaust with works of art in mind rather than real murder. It is perhaps a testament to the raw power of this film - look at the uproar it caused upon its release, and still does to this day.

Goes to show the power of the press, mind - and that most people have a requirement for "snuff" to exist on some level simply because of video technology and that it may be one of the most heinously humiliating acts of murder man could possibly commit.

i have a tough time seeing this as art ..
lets face it - exploitation is exploitation ..
anything that goes out of its way to shock via ultra realism will cause an uproar.
There are a lot of films 99% of the population have simply not heard about. And hardcore fans of the horor genre are not going to automatically dig this film or want to see it.

this is a movie for people who want to see taboos being broken ..
insane violence and nothing more.
People dont give a shit about the cinematography or the score or the quality of the acting .. they are getting off on the horrific images .. so be it .. i used to think that gross out horror was the coolest thing ever ... but i didnt once try to bullshit myself by looking for any kind of justification ..and then spouting it off to others.

Call it like it is ... its a poorly acted blood and guts film ,, that goes out of its way to shock the audience .. nothing more.

I'm not saying that there isnt a niche for this kind of film ... i wouldnt censor it (bar the animal slayings) but dont candy coat it as something it isnt .. (i'm not saying that you did this Extr3mist .. but others will.)

[Vodstok]

There is also a small jump from killing animals to killing people.
I find the thought of killing ANYTHING simply for entertainment barbaric, so you cant really blame someone for extrapolating that fact into possible human murder. Almost every serial killer on earth started off with animals before graduating to people.

That aside, just because you (freak) did your homework, and it is "painfully obvious" that this would NEVER happen.... Doesnt mean everyone thinks in those lines, and they are necesarrily stupid for thinking it.

There are still people who believe the jewish holocaust never happened. of course, they have never been to germany....


And we dont have to go too far back to beable to say something like:
"There is no way that guy raped a kid, he is a preist. No preist would ever do something like that..."

[42ndStreetFreak]

Originally posted by urgeok
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this is a movie for people who want to see taboos being broken ..
insane violence and nothing more.
People dont give a shit about the cinematography or the score or the quality of the acting .. they are getting off on the horrific images .. so be it ..

Call it like it is ... its a poorly acted blood and guts film ,, that goes out of its way to shock the audience .. nothing more.


Speak for your damn self!!

YOU call it that. YOU.

And actually not all people who like extreme cinema treat it like shit on their shoes like you do.

Some of us DO and CAN give a shit about the score and the cinematography..as well as the extreme content.

Some Exploitation is delightfully fun trash and nothing more...
Some has more to it than JUST the exploitation...
And some is VERY well made from a purely cinematic point of view.

So just because you are narrow minded and can't see anything past the blood and guts, don't think everyone is down at your level.

[ichi the killer]

Mr 42nd you've gone too far! How can you slag off these horror fans! when i first saw CH i thought it was real as well.
Oh hold on i was 13 years old.
Shanks if you're interested i've got Jungle holocaust a kinda prequel to CH. Thats real as well if you want to buy it off me £10. mate.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
Speak for your damn self!!

YOU call it that. YOU.

And actually not all people who like extreme cinema treat it like shit on their shoes like you do.

Some of us DO and CAN give a shit about the score and the cinematography..as well as the extreme content.

Some Exploitation is delightfully fun trash and nothing more...
Some has more to it than JUST the exploitation...
And some is VERY well made from a purely cinematic point of view.

So just because you are narrow minded and can't see anything past the blood and guts, don't think everyone is down at your level.

well, if i was narrow minded i wouldnt have bought it ...
or explored all of the other films i could get my hands on.

I never once treated these films like shit on my shoes .. but i never paraded them arounds like cinematic treasures either.

If you're going to attempt to carry on an intelligent discussion you might want to read whats written and stop putting words and feelings and emotions into others mouths that werent there in the 1st place.

you're coming off as a bit of a prima donna here.

fucking condescending too...
believe it or not - your point of view isnt the definitive one.

[42ndStreetFreak]

Originally posted by urgeok

I never once treated these films like shit on my shoes ..

If you're going to attempt to carry on an intelligent discussion you might want to read whats written and stop putting words and feelings and emotions into others mouths that werent there in the 1st place.

Your point of view isnt the definitive one.

YOU might want to remember that last sentence yourself
Call it like it is ... its a poorly acted blood and guts film ,, that goes out of its way to shock the audience .. nothing more.

Really? Says who?

And I would say that this remark (again you seem to also be talking for EVERYONE who watches these films) is treating the films (and those that watch them and like them) as nothing more than worthless shit....

People dont give a shit about the cinematography or the score or the quality of the acting .. they are getting off on the horrific images ..

Like I said...speak for your narrowminded self. And as you can see i don't need to put words into y0our mouth they are there already.

Now why don't you and your little chums stop watching these films and do us and yourselves a big fat favour.
As comments like the above show you and your attitude up.

[Vodstok]

The only person being closed minded here is you, freak.

Since common, polite english doesnt seem to work for you., i will speak for us all and ask you to let it the fuck go.

And remember:
http://stresstest.2y.net/images/forum/retard.jpg

[42ndStreetFreak]

Your stupid little pictures are about the level i have come to expect.

I don't tell me what to do.

I'm not a 'newb' you can kick around..trust me.

But i guess i am speaking to a thick brick wall where most of the people on this Thread are concerned.

Just stick to Freddy guys (and NO...he's not real either).

Extremist makes wonderful points on this film and it's ilk. LEARN from it....And he's more polite than me.
But i really don't care.

[EXTR3MIST]

Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
YOU might want to remember that last sentence yourself


Really? Says who?

And I would say that this remark (again you seem to also be talking for EVERYONE who watches these films) is treating the films (and those that watch them and like them) as nothing more than worthless shit....



Like I said...speak for your narrowminded self. And as you can see i don't need to put words into y0our mouth they are there already.

Now why don't you and your little chums stop watching these films and do us and yourselves a big fat favour.
As comments like the above show you and your attitude up.


you know Freak, you are your own little sportscar .. you went from ok to twat in 30 seconds flat.

You came in here with some film reviews .. showed that you know your movies .. then started to lecture. Like some benevolent god of horror bestowing his massive film knowledge upon the poor humble unwashed inferior fans.

And like a spoiled fancy-lad in the school playground you took a hissy fit when someone didnt agree with your point of view.
Took an extreme shit on one of our contributing and very decent members ...then threatened to take your ball and go home.

Although you might be the king of where ever you came from before here, i'm no where near impressed with you as you obviously are with yourself.

I guess every horror fan should fall to his/her knees knowing you are out there ... championing the cause - fighting for freedom - defending horror from it's enemies. It might suprise you to know i was able to sleep nights even before you came along.

You've already shown your distain for the forum..
it's not as smart as you and up to your high standards so why are you still here ?
shouldnt you be pulling the wings off of flies somewhere ?


If you want to calm down and act human .. cool.. lets wipe the slate clean and discuss film like guys coming at the same thing from 2 different angles.

If you dont possess that level of maturity .. then ... oh well.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

this is the level of discussion i can appreciate.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
Your stupid little pictures are about the level i have come to expect.

I don't tell me what to do.

I'm not a 'newb' you can kick around..trust me.

But i guess i am speaking to a thick brick wall where most of the people on this Thread are concerned.

Just stick to Freddy guys (and NO...he's not real either).

Extremist makes wonderful points on this film and it's ilk. LEARN from it....And he's more polite than me.
But i really don't care. the point was that jumping down the throat of someone for asking a question was uncalled for, but you seem to think that you are an expert of sorts and that your opinion is somehow the final word. i tried to talk sense, then i resorted to a childish picture.

You are a closed-minded asshole. Kindly fuck off. i am finished with you and this thread.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.


any art form ... film, fine, music, etc .. is subject to interpretation.
It can reflect exactly what the observer wnats to/is capable of seeing. Like the star wars analogy.
We do often have the benefit of hearing what the director/painter..wanted to portray ... but even then ... is it the truth or what they want to believe or want us to believe.

I struggle with this all the time ... I want to say the Titanic is shit .. and i can articulate why .. but these same reasonings may be why someone else likes the film.

I saw The Core .. and thought it was corn ... and then i heard a review that if you looked at it in a Jules Verne/H G Wells kind of way then it came together .. and it did .. i changed my whole point of view on that film ..

There is no right or wrong opinion... you can give the reasons why a film does or does not work for you but no one cannot provide the definitive answer .. including myself...

[EXTR3MIST]

God might be able to, but he was out to lunch when I called him - I'll try again later.

Trouble is with films like Titanic, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour is they all take liberties with the original subject matter - the creators change facts of history to make for a better story (and to make more money from the disasters/tragedies).

This can be quite revolting at times (step forward, Mr Spielberg), but in some cases (i.e. Titanic), I personally have no problem with it and am happy to be carried along with the romance and action. Of course, none of my family were passengers on that ship when it went down - nor were they in control of driving it, or I may have been more derisive of a film painting, say, my grandfather as an incompetent idiot.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
God might be able to, but he was out to lunch when I called him - I'll try again later.

Trouble is with films like Titanic, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour is they all take liberties with the original subject matter - the creators change facts of history to make for a better story (and to make more money from the disasters/tragedies).

This can be quite revolting at times (step forward, Mr Spielberg), but in some cases (i.e. Titanic), I personally have no problem with it and am happy to be carried along with the romance and action. Of course, none of my family were passengers on that ship when it went down - nor were they in control of driving it, or I may have been more derisive of a film painting, say, my grandfather as an incompetent idiot.

oh hell yeah... real life isnt filmic .. its just not that interesting enough for people without heavy doses of contrived drama - or comedy and making everything neat and tidy.

That was my issue with Titanic ... the 'villian' subplot was - to me - unnessessary and overblown. The regular folk trying to survive was enough movie for me ...
But again, this is what the public demands. I usually find that in pop culture I have different wants and needs from the majority but there you go..

I think it's impossible to get an accurate historical account of anything that happens actually. Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different stories.
Like autobiographies ... people will embellish the truth every chance they get .. and fill in the blanks with help from others too.

Plust that need to ensure that it's an entertaining read.

I take everything with a grain of salt ...
Hell, i cant remember what i did a week ago - or why.

If i wrote a book about myself it would be the biggest bunch of bullshit you could imagine.

[taylorsmommy]

Originally posted by urgeok
If i wrote a book about myself it would be the biggest bunch of bullshit you could imagine.


But, to someone else it could be a compelling read! Everyone has their own take/opinion on things. Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
But, to someone else it could be a compelling read! Everyone has their own take/opinion on things. Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it.

yep, i'm in the hate camp .. and possibly even for a completely different bunch of reasons from your friend ...

But i'll respect your right to enjoy it :)

[Angra]

How can there be so many replies on this thread?:confused:

It´s just plain stupid!!???

[42ndStreetFreak]

Took an extreme shit on one of our contributing and very decent members

WHAT?! That creature? That idiot who just posted whole Threads of utter garbage?

THIS dickhead is a very decent member?

Well at least those moronic posts he just made show why he thought "CH" was REAL!...
Because he's a fucking idiot.

And so yes....I do have a go at idiots posting garbage and people that then try to justify the idiot and his idiocy!

It's YOU and this forum that has turned into a 'twat'.
And it's because of people who look down their noses at certain films. People who decree that just because THEY can't see past the blood and guts then no one else can.
And because of supposedly drunk morons asking insulting and absurd questions and people defending them!

Look in the mirror!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
WHAT?! That creature? That idiot who just posted whole Threads of utter garbage?

THIS dickhead is a very decent member?

Well at least those moronic posts he just made show why he thought "CH" was REAL!...
Because he's a fucking idiot.

And so yes....I do have a go at idiots posting garbage and people that then try to justify the idiot and his idiocy!

It's YOU and this forum that has turned into a 'twat'.
And it's because of people who look down their noses at certain films. People who decree that just because THEY can't see past the blood and guts then no one else can.
And because of supposedly drunk morons asking insulting and absurd questions and people defending them!

Look in the mirror!


the irony here is that i took a look at your web page and found 2 things ..

- you and i have a lot in common .. we like a ton of the same things .. the biggest difference is that you you are arrogant and ill tempered and have a lot of maturing to do.

- there seems to be a pattern here .. you dedicated a lot of time and energy to shooting off on a large number of forums where you have had problems with a lot of people ... everywhere you go.

Maybe you'd better have a look in your mirror as well ..
Personally I'm not so fond of my reflection.


It is a pity though ... we'd have a hell of a lot to talk about if you weren't such an ill mannered arrogant self centered self righteous prick.

[42ndStreetFreak]

It is a pity though ... we'd have a hell of a lot to talk about if you weren't such an ill mannered arrogant self centered self righteous prick.

No...i just seem to be one of the only people on here who it seems is not being blackmailed into defending an idiot and all the shit he spews out now matter what!

And i am on many sites, and many are fine...but there is always some that seem to house morons who only communicate on the internet because in real life no one could stand to be near them for more than 5 seconds.

And no, given your ARROGANT comments towards certain films and those that do appreciate them...we have fuck all in common. Thank Christ.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
No...i just seem to be one of the only people on here who it seems is not being blackmailed into defending an idiot and all the shit he spews out now matter what!

And i am on many sites, and many are fine...but there is always some that seem to house morons who only communicate on the internet because in real life no one could stand to be near them for more than 5 seconds.

And no, given your ARROGANT comments towards certain films and those that do appreciate them...we have fuck all in common. Thank Christ.

well so much for that them ...


so why the fuck are you still here ?

[taylorsmommy]

Originally posted by urgeok
well so much for that them ...


so why the fuck are you still here ?

Methinks because he likes to get people riled up.

[EXTR3MIST]

Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it

There are critics and there are critics, though - read, say, Empire magazine (UK) and you get a film student mentality raving its glib opinions about the latest flavour-of-the-month actor or high concept movie. This is probably where you're most likely to find disagreements about films like Vampires (which I think is quite underrated for the record).

Read a less fanboy-based publication on the other hand and you can find well constructed, less frenzied reviews full of ideas for the movie in question and less likely to rub you up the wrong way because of a more informed approach to the subject matter - i.e. from those who look at each film on its own merits rather than young bandwagon-jumpers making snidey comparisons left right and centre.

Of course, you can get too highbrow - listen to these old farts dismissing the spaghetti-horrors out of hand and you realise many of the more established critics sadly can't see past Citizen Kane.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
Well in fact it was "Flowers of Flesh and Blood"..not "Cannibal Holocaust".

And to anyone but an idiot that (even though it is made to look simply like one person killing another) is also false due to the fact mutilations are shown from different angles with no camera in shot.
Thus meaning the gore is false or that the woman has the power to re-grow limbs.
Oh...and the fact that the victim went on to make other films of course.

rather like the man who some specimens think had his dick cut off!

But as this Thread proves...idiots come in all shapes, sizes, ages and from many backgrounds!

I wish I noticed all this shit before this jackass got banned. What a tool!

Hey douchebag! The film kills live animals and has footage of real executions. It's not absurd to wonder if other parts of it went too far too. They were filming in the middle of the jungle with a bunch of savages in the mid 70s. How hard would it be to cut off one of their dicks and get away with it?

They weren't "actors", they were jungle people. And if you can tell me the name of the "actor" that got his dick cut off and 1 other movie he's been in, I'll send you a fuckin' check in the mail right now because you're full of shit.

In fact, I've got money that says you probably haven't even seen this film and are just preaching from you high horse because a film with 'such major distribution' :rolleyes: couldn't possibly kill a savage in the middle of the jungle. Well, why not? They killed plenty of animals and that isn't exactly a socially acceptable thing to put to film, but they did it anyways. That's why it's called an exploitation film. People got exploited.

If you had actually seen this, you wouldnt be ranting like this because you'd probably be wondering the same things that shanks and I were.

Like urge said, Faces of Death is more mainstream than this and that is loaded with footage of people getting killed.

Jackass. :rolleyes:




That's what I woulda said to him if he wasn't banned already.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
That's what I woulda said to him if he wasn't banned already. That made me giggle.....:)

[Zombee]

I watched CH again last night...compliments of Netflix. And it is a pretty hard movie to watch. I could see where you might question wether or not some of the scenes where real (penis chop / rapes / flesh eating. Because of the authenticity of the war crime shots and the animal killings this can seriously make your mind wander. I personally dont think any of the footage with the "final five" is true but I guess you never know.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Zombee
I watched CH again last night...compliments of Netflix. And it is a pretty hard movie to watch. I could see where you might question wether or not some of the scenes where real (penis chop / rapes / flesh eating. Because of the authenticity of the war crime shots and the animal killings this can seriously make your mind wander. I personally dont think any of the footage with the "final five" is true but I guess you never know.

:rolleyes:

or maybe we already do know the truth


Originally posted by zwoti
ok listen up, gather round, this is the gospel.

1) jungle violence against humans - special effects
2) jungle violence against animals - real
3) documentary footage of executions - real

[slasherman]

3) documentary footage of executions - real
..have seen it but cant remember that...but just seen it one time :confused:

[Zombee]

Oddly enough in the movie they claim the executions where staged..

[bwind22]

Originally posted by zwoti
:rolleyes:

or maybe we already do know the truth


I don't know if I'll ever be fully convinced that guy's dick isn't laying out there in the middle of the jungle somewhere.

[Terry909]

Originally posted by bwind22
This is what I've been told...

The animal slaughters are authentic.
The human stuff is not.

P.S. That guys weiner getting hacked off look so real I find it hard to believ it wasn't, but that's what I've been told.)

I was going to think of getting this, but since theres Animal Slaughter I think Ill pass. I just cant watch that.

[PR3SSUR3]

Don't panic - all the animal killings are faked.

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by bwind22
I wish I noticed all this shit before this jackass got banned. What a tool!

That's what I woulda said to him if he wasn't banned already.

At least there ere some decent/informed discussions about film (although not this thread - considering how it ended up) when 42nd St Freak was about. This forum has turned to total shit in that regard latley and has become more of a place for people to flirt. The Modern Horror Movie section has been dead for ages.

[PR3SSUR3]

At least there ere some decent/informed discussions about film (although not this thread - considering how it ended up) when 42nd St Freak was about

Hmmm, but do you see the contradiction here?

The downfall of threads through total intolerance of differing views is often attributed to erratic posters like the above, where venomous insults are used in place of debate to inflame other members and generally bring down the tone.

[KillingFCulture]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Don't panic - all the animal killings are faked.

Heh heh-do panic cos all the animal killings are real. Real animal killing is a staple of the Italian cannibal sub-genre-just ask Lenzi, Deodato, Martino, et al.



----------------------------------------------------------
Mondo and death film database: Killing For Culture (http://www.killingforculture.com)

[bwind22]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Don't panic - all the animal killings are faked.


Uhhhh.....


No, no, no they're not. They're real buddy. You obviously haven't seen this one, because if you had, you'd know they are real.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bwind22
Uhhhh.....


No, no, no they're not. They're real buddy. You obviously haven't seen this one, because if you had, you'd know they are real.

sarcasm is a wonderful thing

[giallobelly]

It's fake.

Now The Blair Witch Project...

[PR3SSUR3]

sarcasm is a wonderful thing

Just don't tell the Yanks.

;)

[jesus1.0]

excellet woot woot !!! :D :D :D

[InYourFace]

Originally posted by bwind22
[B]

They weren't "actors", they were jungle people. And if you can tell me the name of the "actor" that got his dick cut off and 1 other movie he's been in, I'll send you a fuckin' check in the mail right now because you're full of shit.



I have no idea who (or what) you are. And i have no idea who 42nd is.
But I do know that what he said was true and i do know you seem to have a very big mouth.
It's okay to have a big mouth if you can actually back it up. You can't. As in fact shown by you being so wrong about everything you posted.

They are all "actors" and the actor mentioned is called Perry Pirkanen and went on to work in 2 more films, "City of the Living Dead" and "Cannibal Ferox".
Very hard to do if you died in the jungle and had your wang hacked off.

And all the other actors can be looked up very easily on IMDB. And why no one on this Thread has not already pointed all this out to you is a mystery.
As they can't all be as silly and misinformed as you surely?

Here you go: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078935/

Amazingly all these dead non-actors have gone on to act in numerous films.
Hard to do unless they are actually alive as well as being actors.

I suggest you find out this person's address and zip code and send them the check you promised, fool.

[PR3SSUR3]

Hold it!

Is that a fake beard you're sporting?

rofl
:D

[InYourFace]

Originally posted by bwind22
I don\'t know if I\'ll ever be fully convinced that guy\'s dick isn\'t laying out there in the middle of the jungle somewhere.

This is because you lack common sense, you lack basic understanding and you lack any knowledge of film at all.

You\'re a worthless pile of sludge with a big mouth but nothing else. Stay away from all films but please feel free to stay very close to sharp objects, you prick.

[doctor satan]

How long has this thread been going? i can't believe there are still half witted fucks who ask if its real or not!
Bwind 22 does your mummy know you've seen this film? i'm sure she'd be very upset, stick to the PG13's their much safer.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Hold it!

Is that a fake beard you're sporting?

rofl
:D

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dirtbox/pics/muttley.gif

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Hmmm, but do you see the contradiction here?

The downfall of threads through total intolerance of differing views is often attributed to erratic posters like the above, where venomous insults are used in place of debate to inflame other members and generally bring down the tone.

The Pot calls the kettle black

[bwind22]

Originally posted by InYourFace
I have no idea who (or what) you are. And i have no idea who 42nd is.
But I do know that what he said was true and i do know you seem to have a very big mouth.
It's okay to have a big mouth if you can actually back it up. You can't. As in fact shown by you being so wrong about everything you posted.

They are all "actors" and the actor mentioned is called Perry Pirkanen and went on to work in 2 more films, "City of the Living Dead" and "Cannibal Ferox".
Very hard to do if you died in the jungle and had your wang hacked off.

And all the other actors can be looked up very easily on IMDB. And why no one on this Thread has not already pointed all this out to you is a mystery.
As they can't all be as silly and misinformed as you surely?

Here you go: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078935/

Amazingly all these dead non-actors have gone on to act in numerous films.
Hard to do unless they are actually alive as well as being actors.

I suggest you find out this person's address and zip code and send them the check you promised, fool.

This is a discussion regarding the film. There's no need to come in here and act like a hardass. If you read this whole thread, you will see that it's already been discussed and conceded that the penis chopping wasn't real. My comment about not being fully convinced was a joke, but you are clearly to dense (or just too big of a jackass) to get it. As for mailing that guy a check, I said I'd give it to him if HE could tell me the actors name because I knew damn well he couldn't. He just came on here and ran his mouth without even seeing the film.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by doctor satan
How long has this thread been going? i can't believe there are still half witted fucks who ask if its real or not!
Bwind 22 does your mummy know you've seen this film? i'm sure she'd be very upset, stick to the PG13's their much safer.

For starters, they kill live animals on film. There is no question, that is real. Secondly, no my 'mummy' doesn't know I've seen this because I'm 25 and have my own house. I stopped asking for permission to watch movies when I was in about 6th grade so you can quit trying to act like a know-it-all condescending jackass any time now. And for the record, I wasn't complaining about the viloence or gore in this film, merely questioning the authenticity of very specific scenes.

Where do we find these newbs?

[InYourFace]

Is it me? Is it? or does this board have more than it\\\'s fair share of idiots?

I surf in. I see this thread about \\\"Cannibal Holocaust\\\", I think this looks good, then I see the drivel written by far too many people.
With bwind22 being the saddest of the lot.

If you want to add quality to the traffic this place gets it needs to be sorted and total goobs like many of those on here need to be flushed into the sewer with the rest of the waste (of time).

I can take no more of this, wallowing around with backwoods knuckle draggers.

What a bunch of weaners.

bwind22 - I will see you around as I find you fascinating on a germ level. Fool.

[gorefreak]

I could be wrong, but weren't some of the "animal scenes" taken from some nature shows like the TV show"ER" or whatever it was that had clips of real operations?

[doctor satan]

Where do we find these newbs? [/B][/QUOTE]

Firstly check out the post from Ichi the killer on this thread, thats me 6 months ago or when ever this stupid thread first started.
NEWB? if some newb had started this stupid thread he would have got the kicking he rightly deserved but because you & SHANKS have got 10,000 posts between you lets all pretend its a valid point and your'e not really gullible halfwitted twats.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by doctor satan
Where do we find these newbs?

Firstly check out the post from Ichi the killer on this thread, thats me 6 months ago or when ever this stupid thread first started.
NEWB? if some newb had started this stupid thread he would have got the kicking he rightly deserved but because you & SHANKS have got 10,000 posts between you lets all pretend its a valid point and your'e not really gullible halfwitted twats.

So you were here 6 months ago, got yourself banned for being a jackass and now here you are again. Right back at it, eh?

First of all, I don't give two shits what you or the other asshole thinks of me on a personal level. You're just two faceless goons on an internet full of faceless goons. Dime a dozen. So you can call me any childish names you want and that won't bother me at all.

Several months ago (whenever thread was started) Shanks and I questioned the authenticity of a couple very specific scenes. Someone with knowledge (and manners) filled us in on what was real and what was not. The matter was basically resolved until you two assholes show up out of no where and start talkin' crap again.

So was I a gullible halfwitted twat several months ago for not knowing that? Sure, if you say so. Do I give a shit what you say though? Not in the slightest. I don't know you, I never will and that means I really dont give a fuck a what you think of me. End of story. Go away troll.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by InYourFace
Is it me? Is it? or does this board have more than it\\\'s fair share of idiots?

No, it's not just you.... There's plenty of you around here.

I surf in. I see this thread about \\\"Cannibal Holocaust\\\", I think this looks good, then I see the drivel written by far too many people.
With bwind22 being the saddest of the lot.

The thread is regarding the authenticity of Cannibal Holocaust. Then you come here and try to start shit with people that were discussing it. Trust me, for you to spend your time being an internet troll, your life is quite a bit sadder than mine is.

If you want to add quality to the traffic this place gets it needs to be sorted and total goobs like many of those on here need to be flushed into the sewer with the rest of the waste (of time).

Yeah, ban me and shanks and then you can really lure in some quality members like this guy. :rolleyes:

I can take no more of this, wallowing around with backwoods knuckle draggers.

Well, there's the door. Why don't ya 'Surf' on outta here?

What a bunch of weaners.

You must be in heaven.

bwind22 - I will see you around as I find you fascinating on a germ level. Fool.

...Oh wow.... Something to look forward to....

[InYourFace]

Originally posted by bwind22
This is a discussion regarding the film. There's no need to come in here and act like a hardass. If you read this whole thread, you will see that it's already been discussed and conceded that the penis chopping wasn't real. My comment about not being fully convinced was a joke, but you are clearly to dense (or just too big of a jackass) to get it. As for mailing that guy a check, I said I'd give it to him if HE could tell me the actors name because I knew damn well he couldn't. He just came on here and ran his mouth without even seeing the film.


Oh dear.

This 42nd person seemed to have been banned before having a chance to answer.
And i don't like you.
So I checked up in the hope that you were WRONG.

And you were...as the link to his review shows.
http://www.beardyfreak.com/rvcannibalholo.php

Like I said...send him a check.

What a shame..he seemed like such a groovy guy!

:p :p :p

[bwind22]

Okay, so it would seem that he's pretty informed. It's too bad he can't speak as eloquently in forums as he can in his reviews or he still might be here, but nevertheless, he still gets no check. Why? Well, he didn't tell me the names of any others movies Perry Pirkanen was in, which was the second thing he would have had to do.

But because of the way you keep trying to get me to send him a check (as well as your over-enthusiatic response to this thread) I'm begining to suspect that you two might be one and the same. (Why else would you know all about the ins and outs of his own personal site?)

Give it up 42nd. I hope you get banned again. And no, you don't get a check.

[doctor satan]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bwind22
[B]So you were here 6 months ago, got yourself banned for being a jackass and now here you are again. Right back at it, eh?

I was'nt banned from the site but did take time out due to the senior members attitudes that someones whos got 3500 posts usually on who would win in smackdown between Freddy or Jason or Michael......is far more superior than someone like 42nd who clearly knew his films & has helped me out on occasions tracking down definitive versions of films so yes i did like the guy, even though i would admit he went a bit too far on this thread.
This threads been going for months & your still not convinced it ain't real? Go & buy the film & watch it, get someone to hold your hand if you get too scared & then ask their opinion at the end of the film.

[newb]

Originally posted by InYourFace
Oh dear.

This 42nd person seemed to have been banned before having a chance to answer.
And i don't like you.
So I checked up in the hope that you were WRONG.

And you were...as the link to his review shows.
http://www.beardyfreak.com/rvcannibalholo.php

Like I said...send him a check.

What a shame..he seemed like such a groovy guy!




















































:p :p :p

I'm speaking to the person inside of 42ndStreet. Break your hold........42nd was a great poster, when he managed to contain you.He has a very informative web site which i frequent quite often.He contributed much here......until The Possesion....then he couldn't type without spewing obscenities and degrading others for their views. We are not all movie scholars....just simple folk looking for people with similar interest.
SO I CAST YOU OUT FOUL DEMON....
IT IS CHRIST WHO COMPELS YOU....IT IS CHRIST WHO COMPELS YOU.

http://www.nmpft.org.uk/fantastic/2005/img/films/exorcist_demon.jpg


:D

[doctor satan]

It's "the spirit of christ compels you!"

Was 42nd banned because of this thread or was it something else?

[newb]

Originally posted by doctor satan
It's "the spirit of christ compels you!"

Was 42nd banned because of this thread or was it something else?

If ya wanna nit pick, i believe its"The power of Christ that compels you".

I believe it was some other bullshit with another poster that got 42ND banned.Its a shame...i really did enjoy most of his post......very informative.He just wasn't always a "people person".

[zwoti]

Originally posted by newb
If ya wanna nit pick, i believe its"The power of Christ that compels you".

I believe it was some other bullshit with another poster that got 42ND banned.Its a shame...i really did enjoy most of his post......very informative.He just wasn't always a "people person".

yep, other

and before you ask

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000059RJ0.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[bwind22]

Originally posted by doctor satan
Originally posted by bwind22
[B]So you were here 6 months ago, got yourself banned for being a jackass and now here you are again. Right back at it, eh?

I was'nt banned from the site but did take time out due to the senior members attitudes that someones whos got 3500 posts usually on who would win in smackdown between Freddy or Jason or Michael......is far more superior than someone like 42nd who clearly knew his films & has helped me out on occasions tracking down definitive versions of films so yes i did like the guy, even though i would admit he went a bit too far on this thread.
This threads been going for months & your still not convinced it ain't real? Go & buy the film & watch it, get someone to hold your hand if you get too scared & then ask their opinion at the end of the film.


Hey genius.... Go read my very first post in this thread waaaaay back on Page 1. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by bwind22
This is what I've been told...

The animal slaughters are authentic.
The human stuff is not.

P.S. That guys weiner getting hacked off look so real I find it hard to believ it wasn't, but that's what I've been told.)

I have known exactly what is real and what isn't this entire time now quit talking, you are making yourself look like a jackass. I never said I thought anyone was actually killed in the movie, I merely defended shanks for asking the question stating that some of it looked real enough that someone shouldn't be ripped on for questioning it.

[doctor satan]

Originally posted by bwind22
so....zwoti... are you saying that dude's dick really did get chopped off? Or no?

the prosecution rests your honor!

[bwind22]

Originally posted by doctor satan
the prosecution rests your honor!

I was asking him to clarify what he was saying. Read the whole thread in context instead of clipping bits and pieces and making yourself look like a fuckin' tool.

The first post I made on this thread pretty much says it all...

Originally posted by bwind22
This is what I've been told...

The animal slaughters are authentic.
The human stuff is not.

P.S. That guys weiner getting hacked off look so real I find it hard to believ it wasn't, but that's what I've been told.)

[PR3SSUR3]

Elvis, I'm shocked - "venomous insults" indeed.

:eek:

Why, I reckon your amusing "exiting the board" U-turn was just 'cos you couldn't resist my sexy posts!

If you want a laugh at the hilarious 42nd though, try typing "42ndstreetfreak cunt/bastard/arsehole (delete as applicable)" into Google for many, many related texts.

:p

[newb]

HA....THIS WAS A GREAT THREAD ::big grin::

[tfantasy]

Okay, I came here to this website because I thought it would be fun to talk about movies and meet other people who love movies as much as I do. I read the entire thread and it felt like high school all over again ::sad::

I felt like I needed to pass out some Prozac to certain people.......

So far, this is the only thread I was disappointed in and I hope I don't see many others like it.

There's enough drama already in the world and I just want to enjoy myself here, I don't see a need to get so carried away by a "movie".

I've seen HC and I didn't read into it but I do think that it created the "shock value" that it was intended to; otherwise, people wouldn't question if it was real or not. I cringed through a few scenes!

That's all I wanted to say ::cool::

[neverending]

You do realize this thread is 9 years old, don't you?

[eezabadboy]

Yeah, but think about watching the VHS back in 1980 on a shitty 14 inch TV. Its totally stood the test of time and still is a very brutal film. The music sounds like its from another movie and does not go with the graphic imagery. The director Ruggero Deodato did the same with House On The Edge Of The Park. The soundtrack being all happy vibrant disco music. Totally at odds with the movies constant sexual violence.