4 hours 5 min and 17 seconds....

[jay o2 waster]

....until I will be in the thearters watching Farenheit 9/11

[jay o2 waster]

2 hrs 21 min!!!

[ShankS]

is this that controversial film? dont know much about it.

[kpropain]

Originally posted by ShankS
is this that controversial film? dont know much about it.

Yup here is what the official website says about it.

One of the most controversial and provocative films of the year, Fahrenheit 9/11 is Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's searing examination of the Bush administration's actions in the wake of the tragic events of 9/11. With his characteristic humor and dogged commitment to uncovering the facts, Moore considers the presidency of George W. Bush and where it has led us. He looks at how - and why - Bush and his inner circle avoided pursuing the Saudi connection to 9/11, despite the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and Saudi money had funded Al Qaeda. Fahrenheit 9/11 shows us a nation kept in constant fear by FBI alerts and lulled into accepting a piece of legislation, the USA Patriot Act, that infringes on basic civil rights. It is in this atmosphere of confusion, suspicion and dread that the Bush Administration makes its headlong rush towards war in Iraq - and Fahrenheit 9/11 takes us inside that war to tell the stories we haven't heard, illustrating the awful human cost to U.S. soldiers and their families. Lions Gate Films will release the film nationwide on June 25th.


OFFICIAL WEBSITE (http://www.fahrenheit911.com/)

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Michael Moore is a waste of flesh

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
Michael Moore is a waste of flesh

I like him. I particularly enjoyed "Bowling for Columbine". However, I was a little peeved that he used his "Oscar moment" to serve his own political agenda. I hate it when actors and actresses do that.

[newb]

I'm gonna stay home and read "MY PET GOAT" instead.

[Vodstok]

I dont hat ehim, but i have very little respect for him. He is incapable of doing anything without trying to further his own political views. I understand him being opinionated, i am very opinionated myself, but i can't stand people who cram their beliefs down other's throats. He is very much a "agree with me or you are wrong" kind of person, at least what i have seen.

He stands too close to the border of "Liberal Nazism".

I am, however, curious about this. i just don't trust him to provide any subject, especially this one, objectively, relying solely on fact, and not letting his emotions and beliefs get in the way.

i have yet to see that from him.

[ShankS]

Should have know it'd been controversial, if MM had anything to do with it. Thing that gets me, de we realy need to be presented with a film about this topic, when, going from the info on the site, most of that was know and made aware to people anyway, since the bad event. This sort of docufilm, imo dont need a cinema release, show it on tv maybe.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I dont hat ehim, but i have very little respect for him. He is incapable of doing anything without trying to further his own political views. I understand him being opinionated, i am very opinionated myself, but i can't stand people who cram their beliefs down other's throats. He is very much a "agree with me or you are wrong" kind of person, at least what i have seen.

He stands too close to the border of "Liberal Nazism".

I am, however, curious about this. i just don't trust him to provide any subject, especially this one, objectively, relying solely on fact, and not letting his emotions and beliefs get in the way.

i have yet to see that from him.

Wtf is "Liberal Naziism"? That's quite the oxymoron. Mike Moore, to me, is sort of the political gadfly of today's journalism. The only time I saw him trying to cram his beliefs down others' throats was during the Academy Awards a couple of years ago. His film, "Bowling for Columbine", wasn't based enitrely on emotional appeals. In fact, it was more of his attempt to show the flaws in the arguments of the other side by providing evidence and using proper lines of philosophical reasoning. Granted, he's not entirely objective ... particularly because his subjects are of great importance to him. But how can you be persuasive to a mass audience regarding controversial issues in this age without pleading to emotion? Aren't his subjects emotional, even if he was entirely objective? For example, he could show the 9/11 footage of people plummeting to their deaths from the WTC. It's factual footage, but emotionally charged. People could easily criticize him for that, saying: "He didn't NEED to put that footage in there! He's just trying to make us feel horrified all over again!" Well, the horror of the 9/11 tragedy is inescapable. People will respond emotionally in different ways to the facts (same with the facts and footage presented in "Bowling for Columbine".) It's hard to discuss these subjects without getting people's emotions charged simply because they are emotional subjects.

[Vodstok]

I understand being involved inthe project, and i know he is a very passionate person, I just am wary of him because I don't quite trust him to represent both sides of a story fairly. I'll put it this, way, I'm not 100% sure of his journalistic integrity :). I dont think he lies, I just think he is interested in showing the side of the truth that he agrees with.

As far as politics, I am dead center. i don't care for Liberal or Conservative. i think everyone should make their own choices.

As far as "Liberal Nazism", i dont know where I first heard the term, but it basically refers to people who are so dead set in their views (in this case, Liberal), that they will not allow others to disagree, and will persecute them for it.

Basically, if someone believed that eating animals was wrong, that would usually qualify them as "Liberal". Now, if that person felt so strongly about it that they harrassed people for eating meat, interjected into conversations to lecture people on their views of the subject, and ostracized anyone who didnt agree with them, they would be a "Libberal Nazi".

I'm sure it will come as no surprise that i spent a decent amount of time around some of these individuals.

[Stingy Jack]

Ah! Interesting, interesting. "Liberal Nazi". I'll have to remember that one. Yeah, I'll have to admit that Mike Moore isn't a true journalist. He's a documentarian ... if that's the term. His films are definitely one-sided because he's trying to persuade his audience to see what he sees. But, I think intelligent viewers realize this and are able to pick out when a piece of information or a particular argument is valid and should be agreed with, and when he presents them with something that may require a little more looking into or thinking about before an opinion is reached. And I like films like this ... they're good exercise in critical interaction and always keep my interest. And I'm very liberal, but I don't think we shouldn't eat animals! I'm more of a scientific liberal. Human beings are omnivores, and meat is a natural part of our diet. Getting all weepy over the feelings of animals is ridiculous. I've never met an animal rights activist who cared a whip for ugly animals. I don't see anybody rushing to defend the rights of the cockroach who gets sprayed in the Raid commercials, or the stingrays that got speared on "Survivor". But as someone eats a rat, everyone's up in arms! "Don't shoot that deer!" one second, and "Step on that spider!" the next.

[Vodstok]

Yeah, the evil chick that I worked with one summer wanted to be a pure Vegan, and immediatley took the position opposite of mine because I was percieved as the "Alpha Male" (read: I didnt back down from her shit like everyone else did), she hated men (she wasnt bisexual, but she was trying to be, how sad is that? Because it was a more "open minded" way of life....:rolleyes: ).

Anyway, there was a large garden spider in the tomato field on one of the plants. So what does she and her entourage decide to do? "oo icky spider, kill it!"

It took five minutes of explaining to them that the large ones with webs are female. The fact that it was a living thing, and probably the only reason we werent dried-out husks fromhorsefly bites, never entered their meager little brains. Feminist solidarity was the only reason they didnt kill it.

Of course, once they agreed, i took the opportunity to rag on their ignorance and willingness to toss aside their "beliefs" just because they thought something was ugly...

[Stingy Jack]

Wait ... they didn't kill the spider because it was a female??? That's classic. First time I've heard that stance taken in the defense of an insect. Trying to be bisexual because it was a "more 'open-minded' way of life"? What a crock! I don't believe our sexual orientation has anything to do with our mental perceptions. I'm into women because I'm chemically programmed to be so. Even if I tried to be "open-minded", and look at another guy sexually, I would be overcome with revulsion beyond my control. I'm sorry, but nothing gets me more limp than a guy spreading his cheeks (except, perhaps, my mom spreading hers). BUT, I have no problem with homosexuals. I truly believe that their chemical make-up is different than mine, when it comes to sexual orientation. These people who say "homos are gay by choice" have no idea what they're talking about. Who can be gay by choice??? As I said, I couldn't choose to be gay, even if I tried. I didn't "choose" to be a heterosexual, either. IMO: People can do whatever the hell the want, as long as they don't hurt or take advantage of anyone else.

[Vodstok]

Exactly. Needless to say, years afterwards, i ran into her again, and it turned out she was going through a "confused" Phase...:rolleyes:

Odd thing is, i havant changed a bit... :D

I agree with you. She really hated me at the time because i told her she was full of shit. You cant change your orientation willingly.

That's liek those christian groups who supposedly "convert" homosexuals "back to strait". Reminds me of "Heteroy" on SNL a few years ago :)

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I dont hat ehim, but i have very little respect for him. He is incapable of doing anything without trying to further his own political views. I understand him being opinionated, i am very opinionated myself, but i can't stand people who cram their beliefs down other's throats. He is very much a "agree with me or you are wrong" kind of person, at least what i have seen.

He stands too close to the border of "Liberal Nazism".

I am, however, curious about this. i just don't trust him to provide any subject, especially this one, objectively, relying solely on fact, and not letting his emotions and beliefs get in the way.

i have yet to see that from him.

How is he craming it down your thraot, if you don't have to listen to him if ya don't wan'r

[jay o2 waster]

and for the record it is one of if not the best movie i have ever seen in my life, but i'm a democrat

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
How is he craming it down your thraot, if you don't have to listen to him if ya don't wan'r

Didnt say he did, just said that he sometimes tries to.

Differences of opinion are allowed :)

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Didnt say he did, just said that he sometimes tries to.

Differences of opinion are allowed :)

Sorry bro, i jus reread what ya said, and i had i the wrong impression, and he does certinly try!

[jay o2 waster]

I was at the imdb messege board yesterday, and they have an enormous war going on in the fharenheit 9/11 board, it is actually quite funny

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
but i'm a democrat

Dont worry.... admitting it is the first step to recovery *grinz*;)

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
Dont worry.... admitting it is the first step to recovery *grinz*;)
lol

[kpropain]

I don't like Michael Moore.........

[ShankS]

Originally posted by kpropain
I don't like Michael Moore.........


never been a fan either.

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
Dont worry.... admitting it is the first step to recovery *grinz*;)

No Offense, but i don';t particularly your avatar, it brings back bad memories of seeing that clip in traces of death at a very young age..

p.s. what was up with that guy, i don't remember it that well, just that it was in like a confrence room, or perhaps a will reading........ any info?

pss.. i jus remembered that clip has a brief appearence in michale moore's bowling for columbine

psss <--- is the sond of me peeing

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by kpropain
I don't like Michael Moore.........

o yeah?

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by kpropain
I don't like Michael Moore.........

I'd like to drop him, the irritating fat man that sells health bars Dr. FILL, and binge and purge I shit dollars Oprah , and america's smartest woman coughcoughbullshitcoughcough Hillary Rottingham Clinton off in Iraq for a week.

The terrorists would be running for our borders surrendering trying to get away from these guys

[newb]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
and for the record it is one of if not the best movie i have ever seen in my life, but i'm a democrat

I normally make it a habit to steer clear of political talk, but what I've never understood is how someone could be a staunch democrat or republican. My mother-law is like that. If Satan himself was a democrat, she would vote for him. I don't vote party's , I vote on * here's where the music starts "GOD BLESS AMERICA" * certain ideals, and beliefs that reflect my way of thinking. Maybe its easier to go in the voting booth and pull one lever, but I just don't get it.

Don't forget to vote.:D

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
No Offense, but i don';t particularly your avatar, it brings back bad memories of seeing that clip in traces of death at a very young age..

p.s. what was up with that guy, i don't remember it that well, just that it was in like a confrence room, or perhaps a will reading........ any info?

pss.. i jus remembered that clip has a brief appearence in michale moore's bowling for columbine

psss <--- is the sond of me peeing

That clip is one mister Bud Dwyer, was about to serve 55 years in prison and pay 300,000 dollars in fines for political corruption, organized crime, and embezelment. At the news conference he he claimed he was innocent and was being made a modern day "Job" by a vindictive judge. 55 Seconds later he tried freebasing with a loaded .357 Magnum and earned his Darwin Award.

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by newb
I normally make it a habit to steer clear of political talk, but what I've never understood is how someone could be a staunch democrat or republican. My mother-law is like that. If Satan himself was a democrat, she would vote for him. I don't vote party's , I vote on * here's where the music starts "GOD BLESS AMERICA" * certain ideals, and beliefs that reflect my way of thinking. Maybe its easier to go in the voting booth and pull one lever, but I just don't get it.

Don't forget to vote.:D

i am generaly a democratic in my views, but i wouldn't vote democrat if i didn't like the canidate

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
That clip is one mister Bud Dwyer, was about to serve 55 years in prison and pay 300,000 dollars in fines for political corruption, organized crime, and embezelment. At the news conference he he claimed he was innocent and was being made a modern day "Job" by a vindictive judge. 55 Seconds later he tried freebasing with a loaded .357 Magnum and earned his Darwin Award.

wow, u no ur stuff, how do u know all that?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by newb
I normally make it a habit to steer clear of political talk, but what I've never understood is how someone could be a staunch democrat or republican. My mother-law is like that. If Satan himself was a democrat, she would vote for him. I don't vote party's , I vote on * here's where the music starts "GOD BLESS AMERICA" * certain ideals, and beliefs that reflect my way of thinking. Maybe its easier to go in the voting booth and pull one lever, but I just don't get it.

Don't forget to vote.:D
Oh god... not politics.... I'm with newb, though. i voted mccain back in the day because i figured if he made it as president, he would piss EVERYONE off... :)


And, I wasnt about to give either of the other retards the satisfaction.

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
wow, u no ur stuff, how do u know all that?

I lived in the city that he worked, and watched it live.

[Arioch]

Id like to see it....

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Arioch
Id like to see it....

don't say that, he'll come back and post a link to it, then there will be banning......vicious circle

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by zwoti
don't say that, he'll come back and post a link to it, then there will be banning......vicious circle

though the idea of being banned, hmmmmm nah no comment, I think Arioch knows well enough that my intention would not be to bring about disruption amongst the forum. Shock value I love, down right being a prick just isnt my style.

[Arioch]

though the idea of being banned, hmmmmm nah no comment, I think Arioch knows well enough that my intention would not be to bring about disruption amongst the forum. Shock value I love, down right being a prick just isnt my style

Well said. And yes, i have a pretty good idea who the quality posters on this site are....

[HappyCamper]

i personally like Michael More, however I do think he very biasis, showing only the side that he agrees with...and always placing the blame on the government, bad parents, immoral companies, when the blame should be placed on the ones who caused the crimes to begin with.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
though the idea of being banned, hmmmmm nah no comment, I think Arioch knows well enough that my intention would not be to bring about disruption amongst the forum. Shock value I love, down right being a prick just isnt my style.

not you, THEM.....