Have you ever really wanted to kill somone?

[Master Eric]

I mean really

[Stingy Jack]

I honestly haven't met someone that hasn't REALLY wanted to kill somebody at some point in their lives. I've thought about it ... quite seriously at one point. But, thankfully I'm a rational being who doesn't let his emotions guide his actions.:cool:

[Master Eric]

really?

[Stingy Jack]

Yeah, no shit. What the fuck?

[cheebacheeba]

Y'know, Ive noticed every time a thread like this comes up in here or any other horror forum, somebody out there jumps right on it saying how us horror fans are "not all there".
Not that I give a fuck, nor listen to anybody who judges based mostly on either ignorance or generalisation...just thought I'd mention it.
Interesting how we've recently had a "horror fans get a bad rap" thread too.
I've had moments where I've thought I'd get a hell of a lot of pleasure watching somebody suffer, but every time I've went to thoughts of killing them, it just seems that the associated "problems", (from law enforcement to personal guilt) that would arise just wouldn't be worth it.

[Vodstok]

I have on several occasions, even going so far as to start thinking out how i would get away with it, but i lack the lasting desire to do that to anyone, plus i am way too empathetic. Other people's suffering bothers me quite a bit. (unless i am in the heat of the moment)

Although, i wouldnt mind beating quite a few....

This also reminds me..... based on what has happened lately in the middle east (Al-Quaeda deciding they will lop the head off of anyone they dont like) Has kind of brought to the fore-front the idea that fantasy killing is one thing, real killing is quite another.

Shit, i felt bad killing scientists and security guards in Half-life... I think a real person would bother me more.

[cheebacheeba]

So...you wanna "beat" quiet a few, huh?

[Vodstok]

Sorry cheeb, i wont be making any stops in australia this year on my world jerk-off your....


You sick bastard :D

[bloodrayne]

Yes...

[cheebacheeba]

Just fuckin' with ya, Vod...

But I'm confused, you felt BAD killing off the security gaurds and scientists...man, I quicksaved and reloaded so I could do it over and over again in different ways!

Did you ever play postal 2? Shitty level designs, poor-ass story, but "interesting" dialogue, and many many MANY ways to fuck somebody up...much "gun up a cats ass" kinda fun to be had too.

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Just fuckin' with ya, Vod...

But I'm confused, you felt BAD killing off the security gaurds and scientists...man, I quicksaved and reloaded so I could do it over and over again in different ways!

Did you ever play postal 2? Shitty level designs, poor-ass story, but "interesting" dialogue, and many many MANY ways to fuck somebody up...much "gun up a cats ass" kinda fun to be had too.

Yeah, I'm not that sensitive. I didn't mind one bit when I beat up that ho and took back my money in "Vice City." I CAN'T be that sensitive. The day I begin to develop feelings for the fates of cartoons and computer images is the day I commit myself for blurring the lines between reality and fantasy.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Just fuckin' with ya, Vod...


I know... Not sure that the others did though....:p



I dont know what it is, sometimes, if i am in a mood, i will kill them repeatedly, testing out my entire arsenal on them, but most of the time, i dont know, i have this weird thing about hurtinng poeplt hat dont deserve it, even if they arent real.

That was the great thing about Return To Castle Wolfenstein... THe only people in the game were Nazis, so it was a great time killing them :)

And shooting up pictures of Hitler.

I think it depends on the feel of the game, in Half-life, you are supposed tobe the good guy, so i act that out. if i was playing GTA, well then, im supposed to be a bad ass, so run the bitch over and get your cash back :)

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
That was the great thing about Return To Castle Wolfenstein... THe only people in the game were Nazis, so it was a great time killing them :)
And shooting up pictures of Hitler.BloodRayne is the ultimate Nazi killer...

[newb]

Do mother in-laws count as people?



nice cleavage there blood.

[bloodrayne]

Oh, Wait...This one's better....

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by newb
Do mother in-laws count as people?



nice cleavage there blood. LOL, Thanks...But...This one is my FAVORITE....

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I know... Not sure that the others did though....:p



I dont know what it is, sometimes, if i am in a mood, i will kill them repeatedly, testing out my entire arsenal on them, but most of the time, i dont know, i have this weird thing about hurtinng poeplt hat dont deserve it, even if they arent real.

That was the great thing about Return To Castle Wolfenstein... THe only people in the game were Nazis, so it was a great time killing them :)

And shooting up pictures of Hitler.

I think it depends on the feel of the game, in Half-life, you are supposed tobe the good guy, so i act that out. if i was playing GTA, well then, im supposed to be a bad ass, so run the bitch over and get your cash back :)

LoL! I kind of know what you mean. There were times when I was playing GTA and ran over some innocent bystanders, leaving a trail of blood with my tires. I had to pause for a second and think: "Was that supposed to be funny?" This is actually a touchy topic for me (video game violence). We had a speaker at our school once who supposedly produced scientific evidence that playing violent video games and listening to hate-filled music adversely affects your brain ... which leads to high crime rates, and hence the cause of all domestic crimes in America. I sat there with my students just STEAMING! For one, the games and music he was talking about are rated, and are not supposed to be played or listened to by anyone under a certain age. Secondly, our country is actually pretty conservative when it comes to our entertainment. The Japanese have had the over-the-top video game violence for a much longer period of time than we have ... and their crime rates are not nearly as bad as ours. Ever see "Bowling for Columbine"? It is a great film that explores what the hell is wrong is American's that our crime rates are so damn high.

[Vodstok]

Ooohh, very touchy subject. I agree with you 150% stingy...

If media has such an influence, then anime fans should be out massacreing entire families, and raping like nobodies business.

Just because some sick fucks happen to enjoy violent media doesnt mean we are ALL sick fucks... Damn conservatives.... Damn bible belt...

All of these people apparently believe that repressing everything is the best way to deal with it :rolleyes:

I guess they have never learned the meaning of catharsis....

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Ooohh, very touchy subject. I agree with you 150% stingy...

If media has such an influence, then anime fans should be out massacreing entire families, and raping like nobodies business.

Just because some sick fucks happen to enjoy violent media doesnt mean we are ALL sick fucks... Damn conservatives.... Damn bible belt...

All of these people apparently believe that repressing everything is the best way to deal with it :rolleyes:

I guess they have never learned the meaning of catharsis....

Yes, it's always been my opinion that if someone kills because of the music he heard or the games he played, then there was something seriously wrong with that person BEFORE he heard the music and played the games.

[newb]

Its all bullshit. I've been watching horror movies all my life, playing violent video games since "Doom". If there is a spider in the house that my wife wants squashed, I'll put it outside.
I think if your going to be violent its the cause of some malfunction in the brain be it a knee-jerk reaction i.e. come home and finding your wife banging the mail-man and pull out your pocket uzi and spraying the room or maybe a chemical imbalance that you have no control over i.e. Jack the Ripper.

[bloodrayne]

Stingy Jack, Vodstock and Newb...If you are interested in this subject...we actually discussed it here at some length, in 2 seperate threads...Here they are...

Parents, Children And Horror (http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4042&highlight=parents+children+horror)

Glorification Of Violence (http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4132&highlight=children+horror)

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Stingy Jack, Vodstock and Newb...If you are interested in this subject...we actually discussed it here at some length, in 2 seperate threads...Here they are...

Parents, Children And Horror (http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4042&highlight=parents+children+horror)

Glorification Of Violence (http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4132&highlight=children+horror)

LoL! Is that a polite way to say "Shut the fuck up about this already?" :D ;)

[Vodstok]

You know what it comes down too?


I have an example that should shed some light on this....



About a year, year and a half after Beavis and Butthead came out, a 2 year old girl was killed in a fire because her 6 year old brother was playing with matches in their trailer. The mother claimed it was because her son watched Beavis get all excited saying "Fire! Fire!", so he thought it was cool, playyed with matches, burned the place down, killed his little sister.

Beavis and Butthead was moved from a 7:00 time slot to 10.

Here is the REAL problem. The mother, was unharmed. As a matter of fact, her trailer was completely immolated, and her daughter dead, long before she ever was aware. Why? Because the fat bitch wasnt even home while her 6 year old son was watching tv and playing with matches, with his 2 year old sister.

How the fuck did she even know what he was watching? And anyone who has ever seen a "parent" like this knows that this is repeat behavior, she didnt just suddenly leave the house one with her qrotesquely underaged children unsupervised.


All this blaming the media boils down to one thing: Somebody fucked up somwhere, but no one in this country wants to take responsibility for ANYTHING. "Sitting my kid in front of the computer or TV and IGNORING them could not have had anything to do with them having issues, it must be the simpsons and that video game they always play.."

No shit. The tv and computer are Awful parents. But that isnt their job.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
LoL! Is that a polite way to say "Shut the fuck up about this already?" :D ;) LMAO...NO...I am NOT that polite...Had that been my intention, I would have said, "Shut the fuck up about this already"...lol...I honestly thought that you might be interested in some of the comments from the other members, pertaining to this subject...Honestly:)

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
You know what it comes down too?


I have an example that should shed some light on this....



About a year, year and a half after Beavis and Butthead came out, a 2 year old girl was killed in a fire because her 6 year old brother was playing with matches in their trailer. The mother claimed it was because her son watched Beavis get all excited saying "Fire! Fire!", so he thought it was cool, playyed with matches, burned the place down, killed his little sister.

Beavis and Butthead was moved from a 7:00 time slot to 10.

Here is the REAL problem. The mother, was unharmed. As a matter of fact, her trailer was completely immolated, and her daughter dead, long before she ever was aware. Why? Because the fat bitch wasnt even home while her 6 year old son was watching tv and playing with matches, with his 2 year old sister.

How the fuck did she even know what he was watching? And anyone who has ever seen a "parent" like this knows that this is repeat behavior, she didnt just suddenly leave the house one with her qrotesquely underaged children unsupervised.


All this blaming the media boils down to one thing: Somebody fucked up somwhere, but no one in this country wants to take responsibility for ANYTHING. "Sitting my kid in front of the computer or TV and IGNORING them could not have had anything to do with them having issues, it must be the simpsons and that video game they always play.."

No shit. The tv and computer are Awful parents. But that isnt their job.

In the words of the immortal Jesus (may he rest in peace): "Amen"

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
LMAO...NO...I am NOT that polite...Had that been my intention, I would have said, "Shut the fuck up about this already"...lol...I honestly thought that you might be interested in some of the comments from the other members, pertaining to this subject...Honestly:)

AHHHH! You guys said shut the fuck up! You have sent me into a psychotic rage! Horror movies, industrial music, and horror discussions on the internet have driven me to kill!!

BRB, have to go eviscerate a nun.....:D

[bloodrayne]

Lmao @ Vodstock...My kids and I grew up on Horror in all of its many forms...So, save a few nuns for us, would ya?

[newb]

Originally posted by Vodstok


BRB, have to go eviscerate a nun.....:D

Thats tantamount to killing penguins. Greenpeace shall be notified.

[Miss Britt]

My parents allowed me and my brother to watch horror movies and stooges and wrestling and boxing, Everyone was afraid it would desensitize us... but it didn't...

[ShankS]

answer to the thread..... no.

A few people have done bad things to me or things around me, that have had some bad concequences, that either affected me or others around me.....I've dealt with them in my own way, but they still live.

This was in the past. now things are different. these few people know i dont see eye to eye with them, they avoid me now.

[juda666]

i thought about killing somebody once for a split second as i had loads of hassle, threats, etc but a week later they got killed in a motorbike accident, so all is well..........

[newb]

Originally posted by juda666
i thought about killing somebody once for a split second as i had loads of hassle, threats, etc but a week later they got killed in a motorbike accident, so all is well..........

The ole "cut the brake line" thing works then. Good to know.

[Vodstok]

I used to have this awsome Karmic tendancy... Anyone who was mean to me, or frustrated me, had something bad happen to them. When i worked at Wendy's, I was a burger flipper. tehre was this woman who made the sandwiches right next to me, and even after i had only been there for 2 weeks, she would ride my ass, saying i wasnt fast enough. I was FAST, one of the fastest there, so she was just a bitch.

So she keeps this up for a while, and i finally told her to back off, so she got even WORSE. The next day, she didnt come in. Then she was out another. And another. Turns out, she got into an accident later the same night, and was in the hospital. it would be weeks before she would be back.

She ended up losing her job.

I am wishing this little "curse" of mine would come back :)

[ShankS]

Originally posted by Vodstok


I am wishing this little "curse" of mine would come back :)

wasnt there a horror flim, that if you kept wishing hard enough, your wishes would be granted and come true?? and there were bad consequences.

[Vampenguin]

Originally posted by newb
Thats tantamount to killing penguins. Greenpeace shall be notified.

This is an issue that hits me right in the empty pit I call a heart. Penguins are the most adorable animal on the face of the earth. Whenever I see something on TV about an oil spill, and they show the pictures of wounded penguins, I feel like crying. What did the poor little things do to deserve that?:(

[cheebacheeba]

They existed at the same time as us, that's what they did...

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
They existed at the same time as us, that's what they did...

lmao cheeba *shakes head* love it.

[nine9]

When I see those beheadings or watch movies about racial crimes or child, animal, or wife abuse, I really think about killing those bastards, but could never go through with it and stoop to their level. Makes me crazy though, like watching Cry Freedom for instance!

Animal abuse is particularily hard for me to bear. Can't see it or read about it without it haunting me for a very long time!

I was also allowed to watch horrors all my life, and I am a very moral person. It is just a movie, and it is fun to be frightened of things that really can't hurt you! Wish some people would get over it already! Some people are so anal........not any of you of course.....oh you guys know what I mean! :rolleyes:

[kpropain]

There has been a few people in my life I have felt like killing...

If someone ever breaks in my house while I'm at home oh shit..

All I can say is I would feel sorry for the coroner that had to clean up that mess.... I own quite a nasty collection of guns...

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Regardless of how much they piss you off, even if you dont care about the prison thing, killing them is going to be a shortlived pleasure. They are only going to remember you for as long as their last breath.

BUT! If you leave them with a limp or disfigurement, they have no choice but to remember you each and everyday for the rest of their life.

Everytime someone looks at them because of the scar, or attempts to help them because of whatever disability you may have given them, everytime someone asks them if they want to do something, but they cant because of what YOU did, they have to think about you. YOU OWN THEM!

Social Genocide....mmmmmmmmmmmm

[nine9]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
Regardless of how much they piss you off, even if you dont care about the prison thing, killing them is going to be a shortlived pleasure. They are only going to remember you for as long as their last breath.

BUT! If you leave them with a limp or disfigurement, they have no choice but to remember you each and everyday for the rest of their life.

Everytime someone looks at them because of the scar, or attempts to help them because of whatever disability you may have given them, everytime someone asks them if they want to do something, but they cant because of what YOU did, they have to think about you. YOU OWN THEM!

Social Genocide....mmmmmmmmmmmm

Can't go with you there, man. Isn't that kind of twisted?

We may love horror but I think we are all caring people down deep, and don't think we really believe that seriously harming someone is cool. Now the sister rape thing would definitely push buttons.......but.........could anyone here reduce them
self to the low level of the people that give them reason to hate. Don't think so, at least hope not. If anyone should feel this then, should be me, with all I have gone through, and I don't!

Enough harm has already been done!

Hope I didn't misunderstand you though, if I did I'm sorry!:(

If you were joking, disregard all of the above, and LOL!

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by Master Eric
I mean really u

[Steelsymth]

I think some times when my boss rides my ass how I would like to put a bullet in him but I would never do it he's not worth it.He also has a family that never did a thing to me.

[yourlastmistake]

Originally posted by ShankS
wasnt there a horror flim, that if you kept wishing hard enough, your wishes would be granted and come true?? and there were bad consequences.


Seems i remember a short story about a monkeys paw. It was
like a rabbits foot. ie... after receiving the money you wish for
your loved dies in a tragic accident. It may have been called
"The monkeys paw."I have it in a book around here somewhere.

[nine9]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
Seems i remember a short story about a monkeys paw. It was
like a rabbits foot. ie... after receiving the money you wish for
your loved dies in a tragic accident. It may have been called
"The monkeys paw."I have it in a book around here somewhere.

Yes, that is a classic!

One of my favorite short stories. Pet semetary reminded me of it a lot.

[bloodygurl02]

have i ever thought killing some one i despise.... humm not that i remeber. but i do know of a girl i loathe so much that everytiome i near her i fell like kicking her ass. but its only around her . we equally hate each other but never thought of killing her just kicking her ass

[nine9]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
u

Ok Jay waited long enough.......what the hell is this about! :(

[movieman64]

Working in prisons for over 17 years I see killers, those convicted of manslaughter and murder. They try to justify it to themselves and others, like we might justify taking a box of paperclips from our employer. He/She deserved it, it was an accident, I didn't mean to kill them, just scare them, but things got out of hand, all that sort of crap.

The ones who say they would do it again are the ones to be scared of. One of the guys working for me as a Clerk is doing 25 years, (50 year sentance,he's done almost 20) for killing his girlfriend. He states without hesitation, "I'd kill the bitch again if she was in front of me."

Most people say "if I knew I wouldn't get caught" they would commit murder. Well hell, we'd be killing people right and left if there was no risk or consequence. We have all thought of killing someone. For me it all boils down to fear, or lack there of.

[Plaguewind]

Honestly, I know very few people who never did... But that's different from saying that I think that was right, or that I'm proud of it, or that I somehow give myself the right to decide who should live and who should not...

[jay o2 waster]

I don't particulary like thes thread

[Plaguewind]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
I don't particulary like thes thread

Don't be fooled, I don't either.

[bloodygurl02]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
I don't particulary like thes thread

me 2
i wouldn't go that far by killing a person i hate . ok i do have a copule ppl i dislike bu ti wouldn't kill em

[KRUGERKID13]

thats not a fair question everyone has at sometime or another felt a hatred so strong for another living being that they did imagine killing them. Now as for going through with it thats another question. So to ansewer your question yes all the time

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by movieman64
Most people say "if I knew I wouldn't get caught" they would commit murder. Well hell, we'd be killing people right and left if there was no risk or consequence. We have all thought of killing someone. For me it all boils down to fear, or lack there of.

I disagree. I think there are people out there who refrain from comitting acts that are wrong NOT because there is consequence involved ... but simply because the act itself is, well, WRONG. I do believe that the majority of the population, however, rationalize their behavior according to what the law says. "It's illegal, so I won't do it." But there is a few who have actually sat and thought about the reasoning behind the laws ... the deep moral foundations beneath ideas of WHY it is against the law, and decide that way. Now, don't think I'm preaching (I'm an atheist!), but the reason I would not kill someone is simply because I love humankind, and I know that, in order for us to function properly as a society, without fear, without chaos, we have to treat each other a certain way. I actually want human beings to grow, as a species, and continue to discover things and create things and enjoy what is beautiful and good. And people who run around causing fear, spewing hatred, inflicting pain ... well, these people just hold us back. And I don't want to be one of those people. Regardless of what the law says.

[fluffho]

at first when i read this i thought it sadi 'have u ever tried to kill someone' and i was like woahh its getting a lot of replies

anyway. of course ive wanted to kil people. but like to really really want to kill someone...... i dunno maybe 2-3 people in my life. always stupid illogical people.

anyway i think id rather someone suffer than die.

[Randall_Flagg]

Nope, not me. Never wanted to kill anyone!

I wouldn't give em the satisfaction of bringing me to that point.

Most people are a challenge. And there are so much better ways of gettin back at em than killin em.

Oh... And to all of you that have seriously considered it...

GET HELP!

[jay o2 waster]

....

[jay o2 waster]

wait, by posting that (and this) it isn't really killing the thread

[misterX]

Originally posted by Master Eric
I mean really
NO wonder horror fans get so much bullshit put on them.

[fattybluetit]

what do you mean

[misterX]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I disagree. I think there are people out there who refrain from comitting acts that are wrong NOT because there is consequence involved ... but simply because the act itself is, well, WRONG. I do believe that the majority of the population, however, rationalize their behavior according to what the law says. "It's illegal, so I won't do it." But there is a few who have actually sat and thought about the reasoning behind the laws ... the deep moral foundations beneath ideas of WHY it is against the law, and decide that way. Now, don't think I'm preaching (I'm an atheist!), but the reason I would not kill someone is simply because I love humankind, and I know that, in order for us to function properly as a society, without fear, without chaos, we have to treat each other a certain way. I actually want human beings to grow, as a species, and continue to discover things and create things and enjoy what is beautiful and good. And people who run around causing fear, spewing hatred, inflicting pain ... well, these people just hold us back. And I don't want to be one of those people. Regardless of what the law says.
well said.

[nine9]

I'm going to unsubscribe to this one, too negative, and just leading into trouble. :(

[misterX]

Originally posted by fattybluetit
what do you mean
Well with the trend these days is to blame every murder or rape on the fact that the murderer/rapist watched a horror movie or had one in his dvd collection. Making a thread. Have you ever really wanted to kill somone? Just makes those people feel vindicated, and more determend to keep on with their persicution of the horror gene

[fattybluetit]

thanx but that really hurt my brain

[Vodstok]

Sorry to bump this further, but regardless of the title of the thread, the content speaks for itself.

From what i can see, the average horror fan would not commit murder, whether from fear of reprisal, or just morally opposed to the idea of ending a life. The ratio, i would think,is pretty much the ssame as the rest of our society. So let someone stumble overt this thread and try to use it as ammunition. Then we will make congress, or whoever else they bitch too, read it, and get an education.

I have always been VERY empathetic. When i was 15, i read Homeland by R. A. Salvatore. It's the "first" story with the his character Drizzt (it wasnt the first story written with the character, but it was about his birth and childhooD), and it instantly became my favorite novel ever.

In it, Drizzt is born into a society that openly embraces murder as a means to move up socially. You have to take steps to hide it, but as long as you get away with it, you get silent claps.

He grew up empathetic, with an inborn sense of morality. That always stuck with me. i had a great childhood, but i liked seeing that even in a terrible situation, good people would still come through.

The point of all this is that stingy is correct in thinking that many of us would not do somethinglike this, simply because it is wrong.

And you dont have to have the looming threat of a horrible afterlife to keep you in line.