Horror at the Mall

[ImmortalSlasher]

Some are calling this Victoria's Secret Karen. But I first thought it was like something out of an alien horror movie. Like They Live or Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The alien recognizes the human and gets angry, panics, etc.

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Go to the youtube link for the rest of the videos. Cops show up. The obvious happens. But this story will continue.

[Sculpt]

why did she start video taping her in the first place. sounded like she was saying the woman started placing clothes to look at too close to her? I didn't catch it.

[ImmortalSlasher]

why did she start video taping her in the first place. sounded like she was saying the woman started placing clothes to look at too close to her? I didn't catch it.

I don't exactly know what started this mess. I think they were shopping and this Karen as they call them now didn't want to wait or something. I think most civilized people would take that chance to start a conversation. Or just look for another item. This Karen decided to attack and then the other lady started filming so she could have proof. That's the power of the camera. To out bad behavior that these Karens would normally just lie about.

[Sculpt]

I don't exactly know what started this mess. I think they were shopping and this Karen as they call them now didn't want to wait or something. I think most civilized people would take that chance to start a conversation. Or just look for another item. This Karen decided to attack and then the other lady started filming so she could have proof. That's the power of the camera. To out bad behavior that these Karens would normally just lie about.
You may be right. The way I saw this string of videos is, the 'karen' lady did something the woman with the camera-phone thought was inconsiderate, and then started videotaping her. The 'karen' lady had an extremly horrible reaction to being video taped, and begged the camera woman to please stop videotaping her, even laying on the floor motionless and silent. The camera lady displayed no compassion to the 'karen' lady who obviously has some serious developmental problems.

Am I saying the camera lady has to take inconsiderateness from this woman with developmental problems? No. I'm sure she could have maturely asserted her rights in a firm and kind way. Did the camera lady have to be so cold as to torment the lesser woman begging her to stop? I really don't think so. I thought they both showed themselves immature and without compassion. One had much less ability to act properly than the other.

[Angra]

We should come up with a name for cell phone people. They are the worst.

[ImmortalSlasher]

You may be right. The way I saw this string of videos is, the 'karen' lady did something the woman with the camera-phone thought was inconsiderate, and then started videotaping her The 'karen' lady had an extremly horrible reaction to being video taped, and begged the camera woman to please stop videotaping her, even laying on the floor motionless and silent. The camera lady displayed no compassion to the 'karen' lady who obviously has some serious developmental problems.

Am I saying the camera lady has to take inconsiderateness from this woman with developmental problems? No. I'm sure she could have maturely asserted her rights in a firm and kind way. Did the camera lady have to be so cold as to torment the lesser woman begging her to stop? I really don't think so. I thought they both showed themselves immature and without compassion. One had much less ability to act properly than the other.

Whatever happened should not have turned into assault which is what the Karen did. So it's a good thing the other woman had the camera to record what was about to happen.

The Karen then proceeded to act like she was wronged somehow. The other woman mentions how the Karen wanted to call security on her. It's all basic Karen behavior but caught on camera which we usually don't see.

That Karen's name is all over the Internet and news sites because of her stupidity. I still haven't read a clear story of what started it. But whatever the case the woman who recorded the incident is somehow above $100,000 on a gofundme site for legal fees. So I guess this Karen, the cops, and the store might get sued. Here is a story.

https://news.yahoo.com/woman-raises-100-000-sharing-172439639.html

Even one of the reviewers I check on occasion for horror stuff picked up on it.

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[Angra]

Is there a difference between a "Karen" and a crazy person? Because that woman is clearly very close to be insane.

[ImmortalSlasher]

Thinking about it a bit more if a man was the Karen, he would have been arrested and at least escorted from the mall. You can swing and miss and still be charged with assault. Seems like Karen actually connected a bit. So she's lucky the camera didn't drop or that she didn't injure the other woman because then she's looking at something even worse.

I saw a video once that I can't find that mentions how Karens got away with this stuff when they were young. And they know how to act to gain sympathy. The fall was hilarious. But it was an act for people to feel sorry for her. When it didn't work that's why she started charging at the other woman.

Karens are entitled. That's why this whole thing probably started.

[ImmortalSlasher]

Is there a difference between a "Karen" and a crazy person? Because that woman is clearly very close to be insane.

I don't think she's insane at all. Look at her reaction in the seconds after the attack.

There is a wiki entry on Karen. And this Karen actually made the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

So I guess that's something to be proud of considering all the Karen videos out there.

[Angra]

I don't think she's insane at all. Look at her reaction in the seconds after the attack.



I disagree.

In both videos I see a woman that's not well mentally and who clearly needs help. Filming her for 5 minutes doesn't do shit. But that's the culture. Filming instead of helping.

[Sculpt]

Whatever happened should not have turned into assault which is what the Karen did. So it's a good thing the other woman had the camera to record what was about to happen.
If you look at the first 5 seconds of the 1st video, I see the mentally disturbed woman (we'll call her Disturbed) trying to pull the cell phone camera down. Look at her hand: it's open, fingers extended. We don't see the swipe or hit, because the Cell Phone lady (we'll call her Offended) moves the phone down to the right. So we can't see if there was any contact, but we do see the open hand just before.

The cell phone was the impetus for the "assault". Whatever infraction Disturbed did to Offended, it was the impetus for Offended to whip out her camera phone. Maybe that's not the best way to solve disputes.

When Disturbed sees she's unsuccessful and the camera is on her, she sinks to her knees. When she's accused of trying to hit the lady, she immediately says she was not trying to hit HER. She's indicating she wanted to prevent the camera from videotaping her.

She's not a Public Figure, which is a legal term which is supposed to protect people from this type of exposure (A person who is determined to be sufficiently well-known or famous as to prevail in a lawsuit for libel or slander only when the defendant is shown to have acted with malice.)

I submit to you the cell phone is the reason for Disturbed to invade Offended's personal space. Which she should not have done, but let's be clear-minded about what the video displays. I feel bad for both of them.

The Karen then proceeded to act like she was wronged somehow. The other woman mentions how the Karen wanted to call security on her. It's all basic Karen behavior but caught on camera which we usually don't see.
I think Disturbed proceeds to act like she's terrified about being videotaped, which is what she says, pleads, begs and screams. It's clear to me she says and feels like she being violated.

If you don't mind me making this observation, you seem to want to lump this Disturbed individual into an identity group called "Karens". Again, I think that woman is displaying serious developmental disabilities. She's an individual, not a "Karen".

I've seen bullies and people acting entitled, rude and being dicks, men and women, of many colors. Some are a bit psychotic. But it's individuals acting badly. It's not a collective thing. It's not an organized group with a manifesto. It's an internet joke poking fun at behavior.

I know it's funny. But is there really a benefit to creating this social war, and creating this "Karen" labeling threat against women? Can't we just call a dick and dick, and a mentally disturbed person mentally disturbed? You know, when you're a hammer, everything is a nail? It's not a good thing.

And please don't get me wrong Immortal, you know I love you to death! And I appreciate this topic. I think it's interesting. We need more of them. I'm just expressing my thoughts.

[ImmortalSlasher]

This will be one of those disagree topics that can't be concluded on an Internet forum. I don't think the woman, Karen, Disturbed, health problem, whatever you want to call her should be given the benefit of the doubt. You shouldn't swing at any one in public unless you are attacked first. If she didn't want to be recorded after her bad behavior or threat which started the whole thing. I wouldn't want to be recorded either. She easily could have walked away and come back to the store later. But didn't because this was an entitled woman. That's why people are calling her a Karen.

I still think it's a funny horror moment with the pointing and chasing. That's why I posted it. I've never seen anything like it in a public store before.

There is another one I saw a few days ago. Basically same situation of a Karen type woman being recorded while she was caught possibly committing a crime. Swinging at the camera but this time connecting. No crying this time though as the woman was truly entitled. And she got a different reaction from the person recording. I won't post that one because it's not really a horror moment and crude with the language.

I really need to stop looking at DailyMail and Reddit public freakouts. But there was that shooting in the baseball stadium and possibly transwoman setup video in a California spa. So I checked. These public recording videos will continue especially since people want something to post on youtube for ad money.

Of course, people can start treating everyone with respect. No reason to record anything then.