R.I.P 2021

[cheebacheeba]

Here comes another one, just like the other one...

[bamahorrorfan87]

barbara shelley

[Angra]

First prediction. Ronnie Atkins - Pretty Maids

Doesn’t sound good.::sad::

[FryeDwight]

barbara shelley


sad to hear this ...liked her performances.

Also Dawn Wells (GILLIGAN'S ISLAND, THE TOWN THAT DREADED SUNDOWN), Alto Reed (Bob Seger Sax player) and good to hear Tanya Roberts didn't pass as originally reported, but "Dire Condition" doesn't sound promising::sad::

[Sculpt]

sad to hear this ...liked her performances.

Also Dawn Wells (GILLIGAN'S ISLAND, THE TOWN THAT DREADED SUNDOWN), Alto Reed (Bob Seger Sax player) and good to hear Tanya Roberts didn't pass as originally reported, but "Dire Condition" doesn't sound promising::sad::
Actress Dawn Wells, the former beauty queen who became America's sweetheart by playing the girl-next-door castaway Mary Ann on the TV series “Gilligan's Island,” has died. ... Wells died Wednesday of complications from COVID-19, her publicist Harlan Boll said in a statement to The Times.

First prediction. Ronnie Atkins - Pretty Maids

Doesn’t sound good.::sad::
no comment

[cheebacheeba]

Duplicate

[cheebacheeba]

This cute lil' thing...Guess she can be hangin' out with Hightower and Tackleberry.
::sad:: ::sad::
Ah well, at least 2020 didn't get her.

[hammerfan]

This cute lil' thing...Guess she can be hangin' out with Hightower and Tackleberry.
::sad:: ::sad::
Ah well, at least 2020 didn't get her.

::sad::::mad::

[bamahorrorfan87]

deezer d

[hammerfan]

My cousin Michele, from Covid. She would have been 68 in April. ::sad::

[Bloof]

My cousin Michele, from Covid. She would have been 68 in April. ::sad::

Im sorry for your loss. She's not much older than us.

[Angra]

My cousin Michele, from Covid. She would have been 68 in April. ::sad::

That's really sad. Sorry for you loss, Hammer.

[Bloof]

Larry King

87

Complications of Covid 19

[bamahorrorfan87]

Hank Aaron

[cheebacheeba]

Mina Furlan, who I knew mainly from LOST and seeing bits and pieces of Babylon 5.

R.I.P

[hammerfan]

Im sorry for your loss. She's not much older than us.

That's really sad. Sorry for you loss, Hammer.

Thank you. I'm guessing her sisters won't be able to have a funeral.

[Tommy Jarvis]

My cousin Michele, from Covid. She would have been 68 in April. ::sad::

My condolences hammer.

[hammerfan]

My condolences hammer.

Thank you

[FryeDwight]

My cousin Michele, from Covid. She would have been 68 in April. ::sad::

Very sorry to hear HF::sad::...Hope You are feeling better soon.

[hammerfan]

Very sorry to hear HF::sad::...Hope You are feeling better soon.

Thank you

[hammerfan]

Cloris Leachman, age 94

Just my opinion, but, I thought she was the best thing about Young Frankenstein. Frau Blucher!

[Bloof]

Cloris Leachman, age 94

Just my opinion, but, I thought she was the best thing about Young Frankenstein. Frau Blucher!

Loved her. ::sad::

[cheebacheeba]

Cloris Leachman, age 94

Just my opinion, but, I thought she was the best thing about Young Frankenstein. Frau Blucher!

MAWMAW!
Yeah have seen her in a few things over the years...the woman had some comedy bones, she really did. Never took herself too seriously.
Nice number to hit.
R.I.P

[hammerfan]

Another legend, Cicely Tyson, 96

This makes me nervous for Betty White

[bamahorrorfan87]

Dustin Diamond

[Tommy Jarvis]

Dustin Diamond

Never been a big fan of Saved by the bell, but seeing an obituary for somebody your age... Wow. That hits home.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Hal Holbrook

[hammerfan]

Hal Holbrook

That's three. Hopefully, Betty White is safe!

[bamahorrorfan87]

Christopher Plummer

[FryeDwight]

Mary Wilson of The Supremes::sad::

[bamahorrorfan87]

Joan weldon

[FryeDwight]

Michael Stanley of The Michael Stanley Band...had a couple of Top 40 hits in the early '80's like "He Can't Love You" and "My Town"

[bamahorrorfan87]

Ronald defoe jr

[hammerfan]

Yaphet Kotto age 81

He was my favorite character in Alien.

[Sculpt]

Yaphet Kotto age 81

He was my favorite character in Alien.
Mine too.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/d133789dda65ee77ba7d45e8ffef047f/tumblr_inline_p7x25dH7dB1t1bqu1_500.png

[ImmortalSlasher]

Damn. I love that scene in Alien. He could have killed the Alien too if not for the hysterical woman. He was in a lot of great movies.

[bamahorrorfan87]

George segal

[bamahorrorfan87]

Jessica walter

[Bloof]

Jessica walter

::sad:: Loved her in Play Misty for Me. Really enjoyed her work.

[FryeDwight]

Beverly Cleary Author of many Children's books like RAMNA THE PEST, The HENRY HUGGINS series, RIBSY and SOCKS.

Enjoyed many of them when younger, especially SOCKS.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Walter olkewicz

[Bloof]

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh 99

[hammerfan]

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh 99

I'm sad for the Queen, losing her husband

[Bloof]

I'm sad for the Queen, losing her husband

Me as well. They've been together for so long and looked like a real team. I think they met when she was in her teens. Of course, they didnt marry til in her 20's.

[cheebacheeba]

DMX

[Angra]

DMX

Overdose. Of course. ::roll eyes::

[SerialKiller]

X's death made me sad. His music has helped me through a lot of workouts, & just bad days in general.

[TaeKwonZombie]

rip my soul

[hammerfan]

Overdose. Of course. ::roll eyes::

I read it was a heart attack

[Angra]

I read it was a heart attack

Can't it be both?

[Sculpt]

Can't it be both?
Coke, crack, meth, some sort of amphetamine, sure.

"DMX, whose real name is Earl Simmons, was hospitalized and said to be in critical condition after suffering an overdose that caused a heart attack. Simmons has been candid throughout his career about his struggles with cocaine addiction. As previously reported by theGrio, he said he was 14 the first time he ever used crack cocaine." yahoo news

[hammerfan]

Coke, crack, meth, some sort of amphetamine, sure.

"DMX, whose real name is Earl Simmons, was hospitalized and said to be in critical condition after suffering an overdose that caused a heart attack. Simmons has been candid throughout his career about his struggles with cocaine addiction. As previously reported by theGrio, he said he was 14 the first time he ever used crack cocaine." yahoo news

Thanks. The article I read didn't mention overdose, just heart attack.

[Angra]

Something tells me Jason Becker will be here shortly.

I'm honestly gonna shed a tear when that happens.

[FryeDwight]

Bernie Madoff Ponzi Schemer

Good riddance

[hammerfan]

Bernie Madoff Ponzi Schemer

Good riddance

I'm sure my aunt is doing a happy dance. She and her husband were victims. After, my uncle had a stroke and died.

[cheebacheeba]

Felix Silla, the guy that portrayed the original "Cousin Itt" from The Addams Family, has died aged 84.
As well he played in a somewhat noteable slew of appearances across sci-fi such as an Ewok in Star Wars, the robot "sidekick" in Buck Rogers, and hey...one of those big headed Talosian dudes in the VERY FIRST (and pilot) episode of Star Trek.

I understand he also played a part on a Maltese Falcon Sequel I never knew existed.

Not a bad run, little guy.

[FryeDwight]

I'm sure my aunt is doing a happy dance. She and her husband were victims. After, my uncle had a stroke and died.

Very sorry to hear about that::sad::

[FryeDwight]

Felix Silla, the guy that portrayed the original "Cousin Itt" from The Addams Family, has died aged 84.
As well he played in a somewhat noteable slew of appearances across sci-fi such as an Ewok in Star Wars, the robot "sidekick" in Buck Rogers, and hey...one of those big headed Talosian dudes in the VERY FIRST (and pilot) episode of Star Trek.

I understand he also played a part on a Maltese Falcon Sequel I never knew existed.

Not a bad run, little guy.
Cousin Itt was Badass! Some funny episodes, and I didn't know either how much stuff He had done.

Rusty Young, Pedal Steel Guitarist (and just about every stringed instrument You could think of) for Poco, the Criminally underrated Country Rock band, Age 75.
Am not taking this well-enjoy their albums and the first time We saw them (small venue), My wife and I were at our table, saw Him crossing the area. We all nodded, and than not noticing the slight decline of the floor, He almost ended up in my Wife's lap! He talked to Us for a good while, signed the many CD sleeves I had and put on a great show. We saw them three more times over the years and superb every time and nice every time.
Why do the Assholes linger on and the Good ones go too soon::sad::?

[FryeDwight]

Les McKeown-Vocalist for The Bay City Rollers

[hammerfan]

Les McKeown-Vocalist for The Bay City Rollers

::sad::::sad::::sad:: My teenage crush

[FryeDwight]

Olympia Dukakis-Won an Oscar as Cher's mother in MOONSTRUCK

[hammerfan]

Olympia Dukakis-Won an Oscar as Cher's mother in MOONSTRUCK

I loved her in Steel Magnolias

[bamahorrorfan87]

Frank McRae

[SerialKiller]

Tawny Kitaen 😪 Ill be watching Witchboard tonight.

[Bloof]

Tawny Kitaen 😪 Ill be watching Witchboard tonight.

I'm shook! Loved Witchboard. She was fragile i think, though she didnt come across that way.

[Sculpt]

Tawny Kitaen 😪 Ill be watching Witchboard tonight.
59, wow so young. Cause of death unknown so far.

I remember liking her in Bachelor Party. Been a million since I saw that.

[FryeDwight]

Lloyd Price-Singer. Known for "Lawdy Miss Clawdy", "Stagger Lee" and a favorite of mine "Personality"

[FryeDwight]

Frank McRae

Didn't know about this...sorry to hear::sad::. Saw quite a few of his films but to Me, his best one is USED CARS (1980) where He steals many scenes as Jim the Mechanic.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Norman Lloyd

[Amaltheaunicorn2020]

Nick Kamen: Model and singer dies aged 59

[Angra]

Nick Kamen: Model and singer dies aged 59

Hm... sad.

[ImmortalSlasher]

Tawny Kitaen �� Ill be watching Witchboard tonight.

I'm shook! Loved Witchboard. She was fragile i think, though she didnt come across that way.

59, wow so young. Cause of death unknown so far.

I remember liking her in Bachelor Party. Been a million since I saw that.

I still haven't seen Witchboard yet. She was young. I wonder what happened. I vaguely remember the story about the woman beating her baseball player husband with her high heels. That was Tawny Kitaen. She was one of those popular 80s girls I think. Check out her 80s look in this music video.

Lx15RANQiKM

[SerialKiller]

I still haven't seen Witchboard yet. She was young. I wonder what happened. I vaguely remember the story about the woman beating her baseball player husband with her high heels. That was Tawny Kitaen. She was one of those popular 80s girls I think. Check out her 80s look in this music video.

Lx15RANQiKM


You should watch Witchboard sometime

[Sculpt]

I still haven't seen Witchboard yet. She was young. I wonder what happened. I vaguely remember the story about the woman beating her baseball player husband with her high heels. That was Tawny Kitaen. She was one of those popular 80s girls I think. Check out her 80s look in this music video.

yeah, i read about her chaotic life in wiki, was going to post it here, but remembered i shouldn't talk ill of the dead. As an actress, I guess I would say, she seemed so amazingly kind and warm. And maybe she was, but had plenty of range in real life too.

[ImmortalSlasher]

yeah, i read about her chaotic life in wiki, was going to post it here, but remembered i shouldn't talk ill of the dead. As an actress, I guess I would say, she seemed so amazingly kind and warm. And maybe she was, but had plenty of range in real life too.

I actually think the whole beating with high heels is funny. But then like I mentioned in that other topic, I don't have much of a problem with Jodi Arias either. It's like that line in a movie, a sensible person is only threatening when they are threatened.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Charles grodin

[hammerfan]

Charles grodin

Awwww ::sad::

[bamahorrorfan87]

My second cousin tommy

[Bloof]

Bama, I'm sorry for your loss.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Bama, I'm sorry for your loss.

Thanks

[Amaltheaunicorn]

Franco Battiato, Pop Singer and Versatile Composer, Dies at 76

[hammerfan]

My second cousin tommy

I'm so sorry. My sincere condolences to you and your family.

[bamahorrorfan87]

I'm so sorry. My sincere condolences to you and your family.

Thank you

[Sculpt]

My second cousin tommy
Sorry for your loss, Bama. Were you very close?

[bamahorrorfan87]

Somewhat my mother and him was

[bamahorrorfan87]

Gavin macleod

[cheebacheeba]

Gavin macleod

Damn, how about that...handsome gentleman.
Funny show, from what I've seen of it.

[bamahorrorfan87]

B.j. Thomas

[FryeDwight]

B.j. Thomas


Very sorry to hear about this...such an exceptional voice and RAINDROPS KEEP FALLIN' ON MY HEAD is a long time favorite album.

Got to see him three times in the last few years and good every time.

Sadly, things can only get worse with so many favorites in that age range::sad::

[bamahorrorfan87]

Romy walthall

[bamahorrorfan87]

Clarence Williams III

[bamahorrorfan87]

Lorina kamburova

[bamahorrorfan87]

Claudia barrett

[bamahorrorfan87]

Ned beatty

[bamahorrorfan87]

Richard Donner

[hammerfan]

Robert Downey, Sr. 85

[bamahorrorfan87]

William Smith

[hammerfan]

Jeff LaBar

[FryeDwight]

Gary Corbett-played (mostly offstage) keyboards for many bands including Cinderella and KISS.

[FryeDwight]

Robby Steinhardt- Violin Player/Vocalist for the group Kansas


My Uncle Tom-haven't seen him in almost 20 years, but sad to hear just the same
"So Long, Unk...Godspeed!"

[hammerfan]

Robby Steinhardt- Violin Player/Vocalist for the group Kansas


My Uncle Tom-haven't seen him in almost 20 years, but sad to hear just the same
"So Long, Unk...Godspeed!"

I'm sorry for the loss of your uncle

[Bloof]

Robby Steinhardt- Violin Player/Vocalist for the group Kansas


My Uncle Tom-haven't seen him in almost 20 years, but sad to hear just the same
"So Long, Unk...Godspeed!"

Sorry for your loss, Frye.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Sorry to hear frye

[Sculpt]

Robby Steinhardt- Violin Player/Vocalist for the group Kansas


My Uncle Tom-haven't seen him in almost 20 years, but sad to hear just the same
"So Long, Unk...Godspeed!"
Sad to hear about Robby Steinhardt! I'm a big Kansas fan.

Getting to listen to the first nine Kansas albums was a real treat, especially Leftoverture and Point of Know Return. He wasn't a great violinist nor singer but he was a good counter co-lead and harmonizing vocalist to Kansas' lead singer Steve Walsh.

Here's a song with Robby singing most of the lead and playing a lot of fine violin. Song written by Kerry Livgren the lead guitarist.

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Sorry to hear about your uncle Tom! I have an uncle Tom too, lives in TX, who I haven't seen in about 8 years.

[FryeDwight]

I'm sorry for the loss of your uncle

Thank You, HF!

[FryeDwight]

Sorry for your loss, Frye.


Thank You, Bloof

[FryeDwight]

Sorry to hear frye

Thank You, Bam

[FryeDwight]

Sad to hear about Robby Steinhardt! I'm a big Kansas fan.

Getting to listen to the first nine Kansas albums was a real treat, especially Leftoverture and Point of Know Return. He wasn't a great violinist nor singer but he was a good counter co-lead and harmonizing vocalist to Kansas' lead singer Steve Walsh.

Here's a song with Robby singing most of the lead and playing a lot of fine violin. Song written by Kerry Livgren the lead guitarist.

d6OkzmAc408

Sorry to hear about your uncle Tom! I have an uncle Tom too, lives in TX, who I haven't seen in about 8 years.

Thank You, Sculpt

[FryeDwight]

Dusty Hill Bass player for ZZ Top::sad::

"He Was Bad...and Nationwide"

[FryeDwight]

Paul Cotton, Guitarist for Poco...only fours months after rusty Young::sad::

[bamahorrorfan87]

Markie post

[Bloof]

Markie post

She was a cutie. I liked the characters she played.

[FryeDwight]

Dennis Thomas from Kool and the Gang

[bamahorrorfan87]

Pat Hitchcock

[FryeDwight]

Alex Cord

[cheebacheeba]

Alex Cord

Shit, there's all the AIRWOLF guys gone.

[cheebacheeba]

My boy Crixus.

18th August, 2021.
11 years old - He had a good run.
Lymphoma.
Fairly quick decline, though not painful.
When he was diagnosed, he got visits, pats and walkies from all the people he loved, and all the people food and treats in the world before he became symptomatic.

First dog myself and Spal ever had all the way from puppyhood through to the end.
I am feeling a different level of pain and emptiness than I have ever before.

He was, in every way like our "trainee child" and he ended up being an amazing, tolerant, and gentle big brother to River (who is smashed by this) - I thanked him for this, in one of our recent talks.

I love animals...I remember all of mine...and there's just this inescapable fact that when they leave, some of us goes with them...they make our lives so much more worthwhile though.

Give your dogs and cats and whatever elses, some love and hugs.

[hammerfan]

I'm so sorry, cheebs. You know I know how you feel. Sending you, Spal, and River so much love.

[Bloof]

Good grief, I'm so sorry to hear this. Gentle blessings to you all.

[Sculpt]

My boy Crixus.

18th August, 2021.
11 years old - He had a good run.
Lymphoma.
Fairly quick decline, though not painful.
When he was diagnosed, he got visits, pats and walkies from all the people he loved, and all the people food and treats in the world before he became symptomatic.

First dog myself and Spal ever had all the way from puppyhood through to the end.
I am feeling a different level of pain and emptiness than I have ever before.

He was, in every way like our "trainee child" and he ended up being an amazing, tolerant, and gentle big brother to River (who is smashed by this) - I thanked him for this, in one of our recent talks.

I love animals...I remember all of mine...and there's just this inescapable fact that when they leave, some of us goes with them...they make our lives so much more worthwhile though.

Give your dogs and cats and whatever elses, some love and hugs.
Good looking dog. What kind was he?

Sorry for your loss. We had our black lab from 1yr till he was 13, died when I was in HS. He kinda liked it when I would entice him with a second tennis ball when he was lying down enjoying one of his own. When he leaned for the one I moved near him, I'd take the one he had, showing him both and him discovering he had none now. I always thought he'd eventually decide to ignore the new ball... but that wouldn't have been any fun for us. ::smile::

[bamahorrorfan87]

Sorry for your loss

[cheebacheeba]

Thanks guys for the kind words, we'll get there.
For whoever asked, Crixus was an English Staffy x Wire haired fox Terrier.
I wanted to confirm...just in case...he's not dead in the picture, that was just a shot I took a while ago during a snooze.
Here's some pictures from around when we first met, and from a little bit later:
R.I.P buddy.

[FryeDwight]

Thanks guys for the kind words, we'll get there.
For whoever asked, Crixus was an English Staffy x Wire haired fox Terrier.
I wanted to confirm...just in case...he's not dead in the picture, that was just a shot I took a while ago during a snooze.
Here's some pictures from around when we first met, and from a little bit later:
R.I.P buddy.

What a Sweet Face! Sounds like He was a lot of fun as well.
Sorry to read about this-hope all of You are feeling some better.


Sonny Chiba

[FryeDwight]

Rod Gilbert-Hockey player

Don Everly- The Everly Brothers

Connie Hamzy- Famous Groupie immortalized in Grand Funk Railroads "We're An American Band.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Marilyn Eastman

[FryeDwight]

Marilyn Eastman

My wife just told Me about this::sad::::sad::..damn shame. She was very good in NOTLD and certainly an integral part of the film's impact, especially towards the end.

Sorry our paths never crossed at conventions, have met a lot of NOTLD people and certainly would have liked to included her in that list

[hammerfan]

Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts, age 80

[bamahorrorfan87]

Charlie watts

[bamahorrorfan87]

Ed asner

[cheebacheeba]

Ed asner

Aw shit...

[cheebacheeba]

That damn music is playing in my brain...

[FryeDwight]

Ron Bushy-Drummer for Iron Butterfly

[FryeDwight]

Ricky Reynolds-Guitar player for Black Oak Arkansas

Willard Scott-TV Weatherman

Michael K Williams- "Omar" on THE WIRE...definitely one of the best characters on that show ::sad::

[FryeDwight]

Michael Constantine- ROOM 222 and MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING

Art Metrano-"Mauser" from the POLICE ACADEMY movies...One of the funnier characters in the series.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Norm Macdonald

[Sculpt]

Norm Macdonald
Funny man of character.

[ImmortalSlasher]

Michael K Williams- "Omar" on THE WIRE...definitely one of the best characters on that show ::sad::

I only saw him in the horror show Lovecraft Country.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Jane powell

[Angra]

Norm Macdonald

Urgeok must be devastated.

[FryeDwight]

Tommy Kirk- OLD YELLER, SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON, IT'S ALIVE (1968) among others

[bamahorrorfan87]

Betty lynn rip Thelma lou

[bamahorrorfan87]

Peter scolari

[bamahorrorfan87]

James Michael tyler

[FryeDwight]

Jay Black-Singer for Jay and The Americans, during their Golden era with songs like "Come A little Bit Closer", "Cara Mia" and "This Magic Moment"

[cheebacheeba]

Dean Stockwell.
85.
Not a bad run there.



...Time to go home, Ziggy.

[hammerfan]

Dean Stockwell.
85.
Not a bad run there.



...Time to go home, Ziggy.

The first thing I remember seeing him in is The Dunwich Horror, with Sandra Dee. Scared the shit out of me! ::EEK!::

[cheebacheeba]

The first thing I remember seeing him in is The Dunwich Horror, with Sandra Dee. Scared the shit out of me! ::EEK!::

Never saw that tbh, I'd say most of what I saw him in was post Quantum Leap.

[Angra]

He was very funny in the movie Living in Peril.

[Sculpt]

My first impression of Dean Stockwell comes from his bit part in Blue Velvet. Mostly I know him from his seasons as Cavil in Battlestar Galactica. I saw him in Dune, but didn't really know who he was. He's a top notch vocal actor.

[FryeDwight]

Graeme Edge, Drummer for The Moody Blues.

My wife loves the Moodies and this will be bad news for Her.

[bamahorrorfan87]

Art lafleur

[bamahorrorfan87]

tommy lane

[FryeDwight]

Mary Collinson-TWINS OF EVIL (1971) as the "Good" twin. She and her sister Madeleine (RIP Aug 2014) were also the first Twins to be profiled in PLAYBOY (October 1970).


Arlene Dahl-JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH (1960). One of the last of the "Golden Age" Hollywood performers and and Mom to Lorenzo Lamas.

[FryeDwight]

David Gulpilil-Austrailian Aboriginal actor, probably known to many for CROCODILE UNDEE.


Richard Cole-Notorious Led Zeppelin Road Manager during the 1970's

[FryeDwight]

Robert Dole-One time Presidential candidate

[bamahorrorfan87]

Cara Williams

[DeadbeatAtDawn]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/b0/1f/6ab01f4974e31e548b2fdf8077d72b69.gif

[FryeDwight]

Anne Rice-Author

Robbie Shakespeare-Bass player for many bands/performers

Melvin Parker-James Brown Drummer on many of the Classics

[FryeDwight]

Lee Emmerson-Guitarist/Vocalist for Five Man Electrical Band. Wrote the timeless classic "Signs"

[FryeDwight]

Wanda Young-Vocalist for The Marvellettes

[FryeDwight]

Sharyn Moffet-Child actress, best known for THE BODY SNATCHER (1945)

Bishop Desmond Tutu

[bamahorrorfan87]

John Madden

[bamahorrorfan87]

Betty white

[hammerfan]

Betty white

This made me so sad. Yes, I know, she was 99 years old. But, I wanted her to make it to 100! RIP, warrior.

[HorrorFan4Ever]

Betty white

I heard about her passing that's sad she was a legend rip

[cheebacheeba]

Lets see who the '22 will fuck us up with...
http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1050323#post1050323