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Peter A
10-24-2020, 11:52 PM
I've been a fan of the long running Resident Evil franchise since the late 90's, or maybe since 2000. Well, I can't quite remember what age I was when I started with the RE franchise, but I just know I was at least 14 when I got into the series.

For my disclaimer... I don't care if anybody recommends the RE2 remake. That game isn't even a faithful remake. It's essentially garbage that was made for slupers and corporate shills that don't care about the legacy of the franchise. That game sucks ass, plain and simple. Even The Darkside Chronicles in 2009 remade RE2 better than that pile of modern day, cow dung did.

Leon Kennedy looks like a certain Canadian pop star, and they removed so many enemies, locations, and whatnot. The zombies serve as bullet sponges that absorb your bullets. It is just a bad game overall. And it didn't have to be that way, had Capcom treated it with the TLC it deserved. Capcom clearly just phoned in their crap, yet again.

They replaced the weeds in the laboratory section with zombies covered in vegetation. What the hell? Also, the Tyrant with the hat in RE2 that is referred to as Mr. X actually acted like Nemesis, while Nemesis (who is generally considered the best RE boss type mutation, or whatever) hardly showed up at all outside of the scripted parts. Plus, Jill was just so obnoxious sounding, and there wasn't even a canonical cameo appearance from Barry Burton either. Honestly, it's so lame.

There's only one real remake. That's Shinji Mikami's magnum opus, obviously. Everything else does not even come close to that. But would he ever work for Capcom again? Nah. He knows how they are, so I don't blame the guy for running like the wind to avoid their pretentious, money hungry butts.

The original Resident Evil 2 was the first one I played. When I was 16, I bought a GameCube and a PS2 in the same year. I've still got the PS2 that I purchased on Christmas Eve, way back in 2002. The remake is the quintessential Resident Evil experience, in my opinion, and NOT the overrated RE4 - which is just dog poop. Now I wouldn't say that RE4 is particularly awful as a game in general, but... I simply hate it as a Resident Evil game, because it really isn't connected to the plot established in the prior games, all that much. But hey, I'll cover all of that stuff soon in this rant, as it were.

So um, the franchise is a mess these days. Really. It's a big mess. Besides the watered down "remakes" of 2 and 3, they've did all this bland trash as well. Now Capcom are getting kind of lazy and they're outsourcing their games. Which could be simply because they are busy, but they just turn out terrible either way. There's no point in remaking RE4, but that's already supposedly the case.

I don't know how anybody can say RE4 is a real RE game. There's nothing RE about it, save for three returning characters and um, the fact it has RE in the name. It's a stupid game where you pick up jewels, cash and bullets from pretty much every backwoods hick that you kill. It's not really RE in my eyes. It's another dumb and repetitive action shooter, with linear gameplay. They also killed the original RE storyline more or less, because they announce at the start of the game that Umbrella was put out of business when people learned about what happened with Raccoon City, and sundry.

Another thing that annoys me a lot (and no doubt other fans too) is that Capcom has some sort of obsession with the year 1998. Whether it's developing bad remakes or horrendous side story games, 1998 can never truly die off. But I think it absolutely needs to. Otherwise, they'll be stuck in 1998 forever. I'm sure they would prefer it that way, though, considering anything with Raccoon City gets all the fanboys super excited. But it's really quite annoying.

Now as to games that I do like...

Code: Veronica looks amazing on the Dreamcast. Seriously, the Dreamcast was sadly a very underrated console that came and went like nobody's business. Claire was awesome in that game, and the villains were totally weird perhaps, but that made them so memorable. You had Albert Wesker out for payback against Chris, and those two siblings had ties with Umbrella's founder. The one that was like a transvestite and his sister, who became that naked chick that could throw bloody fire, made for two brilliant baddies in one very lengthy game. And despite not being a numbered sequel, it was more RE than even RE6 was at the time it got released. To me, RE5 and 6 continued that boring trend of copying Gears of War.

There's also Revelations 2. That game is cool. I think they copied The Last of Us though. They stole pretty much all of the ideas and story aspects from Naughty Dog. There's even a part where you fight this massive thing that sort of looks like a Bloater, and you have to hunt rabbits in the winter as well. It's a really cool game, but that doesn't change the fact that Capcom enjoys copying other people's ideas.

7: Biohazard to me felt like a cheap horror indie game. Chris did not look like Chris at all. In fact, I feel like they just kind of shoehorned him in, so that it seemed like RE. But outside of the minor links, that really didn't make it RE at all. Ethan Winters is actually returning in Resident Evil Village, as is Chris. But at least now, Chris actually looks like Chris again. And so, yeah. People blamed the RE Engine. However, I'm gonna have to say that Capcom just screwed up. You know? They love our money, but they divided the fans a long time ago with this BS approach to gaming.

So are you excited about the new CGI Netflix series, besides the next sequel? Personally, I think Chris won't be in much of the game, but they know Ethan is a dull character. After all, you don't even really get to see what this dude looks like. I'd like that to change, but Capcom is always gonna be Capcom. Right?

If you want a great horror experience that is played out in third person, try The Evil Within 2 and Days Gone. Those games are brilliant...

Oh... and this is guy is comedy gold - but at least he knows what great gaming is all about!

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TaeKwonZombie
10-25-2020, 03:24 PM
i beat them all, re3 remake being last, I personally love every entry of the resident evil series, but I can see how its a hit or miss for others

cheebacheeba
10-25-2020, 04:07 PM
I go one further on this.

I haven't liked the series since Code Veronica.
For as much love as RE4 gets, I just hate hate hate that over the shoulder crap, the whole game feels more sluggish than it should and just felt like a different game.


Code Veronica and RE 0 were in my mind a great evolution to the franchise that didn't feel seperated from it to me, changed the perspective a little and made it a bit more towards 3D...but how the game worked and the story played out felt at home.

I kind of feel about RE4+ the same way I felt about the new "God of War', I'm sure it's a good game, but it wasn't what I wanted as a legacy fan...things to need to change and evolve, but IMO not THAT much...you lose what you've built on.

Peter A
10-25-2020, 04:56 PM
I can see why people think Gears of War inspired RE6. Seriously. After what I seen on Google, yes. RE6 copied that series.

Even on Wikipedia, RE5 and 6 are NOT referred to as survival horror games, and rightfully so.

Angra
10-25-2020, 06:47 PM
I go one further on this.

I haven't liked the series since Code Veronica.
For as much love as RE4 gets, I just hate hate hate that over the shoulder crap, the whole game feels more sluggish than it should and just felt like a different game.


Code Veronica and RE 0 were in my mind a great evolution to the franchise that didn't feel seperated from it to me, changed the perspective a little and made it a bit more towards 3D...but how the game worked and the story played out felt at home.

I kind of feel about RE4+ the same way I felt about the new "God of War', I'm sure it's a good game, but it wasn't what I wanted as a legacy fan...things to need to change and evolve, but IMO not THAT much...you lose what you've built on.

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TaeKwonZombie
10-26-2020, 12:55 AM
code veronica was awesome! I remember being stuck near the end with barely a green herb, scraping my way through to that final boss, i loved the cinematics in that. There are so many different types of threats in the re universe, in zero with those leeches, or in re remake with lisa trevor....

Angra
10-26-2020, 02:09 AM
I didn’t like it very much. More action than horror, just like the movies.

Peter A
10-26-2020, 02:20 PM
Maybe they could incorporate first person for spin off games. Although it had to have happened eventually for the main games, if even just for one or a few games, I do think that perspective is better suited for having in side story games. The spin off games are basically the 'experimental side' of the franchise, in my view. So that's something Capcom could focus on in the future.

But my God, people. Didn't 7: Biohazard really try to be The Texas Chain Saw Massacre in video game form? Jack Baker was like the Sawyer father figure guy. Ha-ha.

I'm glad they corrected Chris Redfield, though. He looked NOTHING like Chris in that game. The thing with him being with both the BSAA and 'Blue Umbrella' is pretty dumb too. Why would Chris have anything to do with the Umbrella name in general? After all, the guy literally ended Umbrella and dealt with the aftermath of their crimes in multiple missions. That's some BS writing there, Capcom. You may wanna fix that, quickly. But other than that, thanks for correcting his face in Resident Evil Village, ONLY because the fans called you out over that. The RE Engine could improve. ::stick out tongue::

Angra
10-26-2020, 02:43 PM
But my God, people. Didn't 7: Biohazard really try to be The Texas Chain Saw Massacre in video game form? Jack Baker was like the Sawyer father figure guy. Ha-ha.

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Yes, that was by far the best part of the game. Great characters and it felt fresh and original game wise.

Angra
10-26-2020, 02:44 PM
Also, it was creepy as fuck in VR.

Peter A
10-26-2020, 02:52 PM
He's not eating it, Jack. I made that for him. You're a son of a... ahem! ::big grin::

ImmortalSlasher
10-26-2020, 11:15 PM
Resident Evil 4 influenced just about every modern game. Gears of War would have been another first person shooter without Resident Evil 4. But I do agree that it is more horror action than survival horror. Only the first and some of the second section are survival horror. Once you reach the island with the mercenaries it's full on action for the most part.

I too don't like the Umbrella foot note at the beginning of the game. I think the animated movies added a bit to the stories. I can't remember much about those. I think I watched one or two of those. I have a few more to catch up on.

I do agree that Code Veronica was good. They should remake that.

Peter A
10-27-2020, 07:46 PM
So... I watched the parts with Marvin and Rita.

They are very dated. ::smile::

TaeKwonZombie
10-30-2020, 10:27 PM
I love all the resident evil's and the 4th one is one of my favorite video games, you cant expect series to stay the same forever, if you like the originals, play them some more, though I agree it would be nice to see new RE's with the original style no doubt....I had alot of fun with all the new games too though, its nice to try something different...atleast for me...

TaeKwonZombie
10-30-2020, 10:29 PM
your opinion is your opinion I respect your opinion, so I disagree with your title thread....the new games are also fun, so maybe its not what you want, but they ARE fun....so they are not crap...LOL I also have to say that RE 4 is equally survivor as it is action.....but arent all the RE action horror...anyways? just looking at the other side of things...ya know, keep an open mind...

Peter A
10-31-2020, 01:30 PM
Yes. The franchise has always had action. But the earlier games have a greater emphasis on exploration, puzzle solving, atmosphere and all that good stuff. Whereas RE4-6 etc have too much action, are not creepy, and the ones with co-op are supposed to be absolutely action-oriented.

In RE4, villagers drop bullets and coins. It makes the game very arcade like in tone. Plus, the story and villains made for one bizarre game.

TaeKwonZombie
11-02-2020, 12:06 AM
You're right the older ones are definitely different, but I will take what I can get. ::danger::::danger::

Peter A
11-02-2020, 04:08 AM
By the way, what do you think of the hate that RE6 always receives?

Personally, it's still RE to me. It just has more action. But it's a game that is definitely about biohazards affecting people's lives. In fact, in Japan, RE is called Biohazard. The thing with Chris and co surviving was always going to conclude with a global outbreak on that big of a scale (like what we are going through now for real). But when Capcom finally did a game like that, nobody cared. It's really all down to the people that grew up with RE2 and all that, saying Capcom sold out by making the games become too action-oriented. Although RE4 did arguably ruin the series, it also kind of saved the franchise, following a period where sales began to diminish.

I do not believe RE6 is supposed to be branded as a "survival horror" game. But having at least one epic co-op RE game with tons of action and many returning characters, was bound to happen eventually. It's just strange how the reception for RE6 was so poor.

TaeKwonZombie
11-02-2020, 09:53 PM
like i said on the other thread, i just don't get too patriotic on video games where i care what they do with a series, it doesn't really matter that much to me, if im having fun its good enough for me, but i can see how people aren't gonna like sequels etc. just the way its always been, i mean who knows what was going on while they were making the game, and why they chose it to be that way, i dont know, its just a video game, but hey thats just me, ya don't have to like everything

Peter A
11-05-2020, 04:56 AM
There's a new movie coming, a CGI series coming, and a live action series coming, besides the next video game. So there's life in the old zombie dog yet!

Personally, I am tired of Capcom milking the year 1998 repeatedly. Why can't they base a game or a film or whatever, in say, 2020 or something? ::embarrassment::

cheebacheeba
11-08-2020, 12:00 PM
There's a new movie coming, a CGI series coming, and a live action series coming, besides the next video game. So there's life in the old zombie dog yet!


Yeah I've heard of something of a reboot movie?
I'm hoping, all new.
Honestly, the series of films...and I don't even think I got to the last one (I've seen the one that ended on the big boat, and the one after?) was basically a stupid shitshow after what I always thought was a relatively strong start.
Too many.
So yeah, something fresh and seperate wouldn't hurt.

As for the animated series, yeah I'd check that out.
I mean, Degeneration I think is the best RE "movie" I've seen, though I don't think I saw either of the two that followed it.

With the games...At this stage I think they need to kind of reboot that too.
Lose the numbers. Lose the remakes. Subtitle them all. Do each installment differently like (most of) the FF series, or Quake.
Though looking at it, it seems as though between 7 and 8, that may be just what they're doing.

ImmortalSlasher
11-09-2020, 09:20 PM
I remember hearing that the new movies would be closer to the games. I haven't got into the movies at all. I watched some of the first one. Like barely 20 minutes or so. I didn't like it because it was so different from the game. But I do want to give the series at try. I remember seeing a good trailer for I think the third or fourth one with the blonde actress from Final Destination. And they had a big monster with a hammer or some kind of weapon.

Angra
11-10-2020, 03:19 AM
I remember hearing that the new movies would be closer to the games. I haven't got into the movies at all. I watched some of the first one. Like barely 20 minutes or so. I didn't like it because it was so different from the game. But I do want to give the series at try. I remember seeing a good trailer for I think the third or fourth one with the blonde actress from Final Destination. And they had a big monster with a hammer or some kind of weapon.

If you didn't like the first 20 minutes you will absolutely hate the rest.

TaeKwonZombie
11-10-2020, 05:00 AM
I guess we'll see haha, none of the movies ever felt like the games to me.

I wouldlove to see Lisa Trevor, she would be great in a horror film , or maybe a movie dedicated strictly to her, and the woods sorrounding the mansion, story behind it.

Peter A
11-10-2020, 07:52 AM
I think with Capcom, they copy far too much. Also, they bank off of nostalgia way too much as well.

Raccoon City was destroyed in the original Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, released as far back as 1999. Since then, they have done the bare minimum when it comes to moving the franchise forward. RE4 etc basically got on the action shooter hype train, while the second "Revelations" was their low and behold answer to "The Last of Us" (of which it copies virtually everything from that game). Then with P.T. and Outlast and similar indie horror games on Steam being popular, they copied that sub-genre with 7: Biohazard. Plus, there was the whole #FuckKonami thing going on in 2015 too.

We already had retellings of RE0, 1, 2 and 3 plus CVX, with the "Chronicles" games. However, some parts of those games feel silly, inaccurate and downright insulting to the legacy of the games they are copying. For example, they are designed as arcade shooters, so they are exactly that. Arcade shooters. They are not survival horror games. The "Outbreak" games, "Operation Raccoon City" and "Umbrella Corps" all venture into Raccoon City. Again, why even bother? Keep in mind, that some games are not actually canonical anyway. This hereby feels relatively pointless in of itself.

Now with the next movie and live action Netflix series, they can once again milk 1998 (because that's the era when the series was at its best). But is this helpful to the future of the franchise? Well, to me, it may seem mildly interesting if you're a fanboy that gets excited whenever anything to do with the series is mentioned online, but it's not actually really new, per se. They're just covering a time period that, to me at least, should be more or less done and dusted.

Why not do a game in Australia? You know? There's a future out there where Capcom could take the lore somewhere we've not had featured before. Capcom just needs to drop 1998 and can it with these garbage remakes. Remakes are not canonical either. The originals are the games that count as the canonical games, while the first remake in 2002 is canonical, because Lisa Trevor was killed by Wesker when the mansion was minutes away from blowing up.

ImmortalSlasher
11-10-2020, 08:20 PM
If you didn't like the first 20 minutes you will absolutely hate the rest.

Out of six movies one of them has to be good.

Here is that trailer I mentioned. It's from Part 4.

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At 1:13 the guy with the hammer comes out.

I'm probably one of the few people that like Ultraviolet with Milla Jovovich. So I'm hoping Part 4 is good because that's a wild trailer.

Angra
11-11-2020, 12:12 AM
Out of six movies one of them has to be good.

Here is that trailer I mentioned. It's from Part 4.

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At 1:13 the guy with the hammer comes out.

I'm probably one of the few people that like Ultraviolet with Milla Jovovich. So I'm hoping Part 4 is good because that's a wild trailer.

I’ll take my last comment back then. If you love to see Marvel characters in a resident evil movie you will love the entire franchise.

ImmortalSlasher
11-11-2020, 02:21 AM
I’ll take my last comment back then. If you love to see Marvel characters in a resident evil movie you will love the entire franchise.

Marvel characters? I guess you are saying it's more cartoonish than serious horror. I believe the first Resident Evil was inspired by those old horror movies like Night of the Living Dead. I believe the house design in places is almost identical to the design in the 1990 remake's house.

I did take a peek at the scene in Part 4 with the hammer guy on youtube and it does look like something out of a Marvel movie with the characters jumping around. But the last Resident Evil CG cartoon I watched was like that as well I think. I remember Leon jumping an absurd distance.

I don't think I posted this here. I know I did during the October topic on HorrorDVDs. But I'm going to watch this soon. It's two parts.

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Peter A
11-11-2020, 10:26 AM
Huh? ::cool::

A release date would've been nice, Capcom.

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