Standing with My Black, Latino, LBGT Brothers & Sisters

[Sculpt]

Ever since the election of Trump I've noticed I have friends who are sincerely concerned for the physical safety of people in America. That either Trump would orchestrate state mass murder, or somehow allow or cause it. I have one close friend who even fears mass murder. I have or have had very close friends who are black, latino and gay. So I tell them I stand with my black, latino and LBGT brothers and sisters. I would not stand still and let harm come to them.

I do not share the assessment that Trump can cause, trigger or allow it. But since I can't fully calm the concern with vocalizing my assessments, I can say I'm there.

For what it's worth, I've been a student of international and national affairs since I was a young child. I happen to know (many of) the views of the wide variance of Trump supporters. And I know quite a bit about Trump and what he's said publicly. And to say the least, there isn't a social environment, nor a Presidential structure, nor Trump background for mass murder.

Comments welcome.

[TheBossInTheWall]

I think people tending towards assholishness will feel more emboldened to be violent verbally and physically. They'll feel verification of their feelings in his election. They'll now think there are a lot of other people like them, not just their friends and/or family who feel the same.

[Repo'd]

I do not share the assessment that Trump can cause, trigger or allow it. But since I can't fully calm the concern with vocalizing my assessments, I can say I'm there.


Comments welcome.

I'm 100% behind this sentiment. I think we have things in place that would not allow Trump or any other American political leader to commit these kinds of atrocities, but I will stand with anyone who feels threatened, or is in fear of persecution and physical harm. I will do so proudly.

[MichaelMyers]

For what it's worth, I've been a student of international and national affairs since I was a young child. I happen to know (many of) the views of the wide variance of Trump supporters. And I know quite a bit about Trump and what he's said publicly. And to say the least, there isn't a social environment, nor a Presidential structure, nor Trump background for mass murder.


Say more, what does this mean? Show trials, mass murder, executions are not likely?

For the gays, I am not so worried about Trump, who is to the left of Obama on these issues, but his supporters, particularly the alt-right.

[hammerfan]

I'm just going to say this as a warning, not that anyone is doing this now:

Keep this conversation civilized, or it will be closed.

[horcrux2007]

Say more, what does this mean? Show trials, mass murder, executions are not likely?

For the gays, I am not so worried about Trump, who is to the left of Obama on these issues, but his supporters, particularly the alt-right.

Trump picked one of the most notoriously homophobic governors in the country as his VP, and he's vowed to pass the First Amendment Defense Act which allows discrimination against LGBT people as long as it's for religious reasons. Mike Pence wants to take funding away from AIDS and put it towards conversion therapy.

Yes, gay people are worried about Trump.

[Dead Bad Things]

It's just political fervor and celebrity obsession...Remember when nobody really had Aids till Magic Johnson came out and said he had it, then it was a big deal. Same kinda thing.......Don't get played by the system.

[MichaelMyers]

It's just political fervor and celebrity obsession...Remember when nobody really had Aids till Magic Johnson came out and said he had it, then it was a big deal. Same kinda thing.......Don't get played by the system.

Or move to Montana, the feds won't bother you there.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Trump picked one of the most notoriously homophobic governors in the country as his VP, and he's vowed to pass the First Amendment Defense Act which allows discrimination against LGBT people as long as it's for religious reasons. Mike Pence wants to take funding away from AIDS and put it towards conversion therapy.

Yes, gay people are worried about Trump.

Also the former executive of Brietbart as chief strategist. Steve Bannon is crazy scary and very anti-semitic.

[Dead Bad Things]

You got jokes huh?
Tell ya what tho...Folks round here think of Mrs.DBT and I as alternative culture. ::big grin::

Speakin' to what Boss was sayin' tho....Yeah racists and homophobics are gonna feel emboldened...what's new? That kinda stuff is so deep seated in our culture....I'm sure we all got some horror stories to tell....

A modern political face on a primitive cultural issue don't change my level of consciousness.

[TheBossInTheWall]

You got jokes huh?
Tell ya what tho...Folks round here think of Mrs.DBT and I as alternative culture. ::big grin::

Speakin' to what Boss was sayin' tho....Yeah racists and homophobics are gonna feel emboldened...what's new? That kinda stuff is so deep seated in our culture....I'm sure we all got some horror stories to tell....

A modern political face on a primitive cultural issue don't change my level of consciousness.

Yeah of course, but I'm sayin' its likely to get worse and people are going to feel that have a lot more freedom to be violent and abusive in regards to non-whites, trans, queer, etc. people.

[Sculpt]

Trump picked one of the most notoriously homophobic governors in the country as his VP, and he's vowed to pass the First Amendment Defense Act which allows discrimination against LGBT people as long as it's for religious reasons. Mike Pence wants to take funding away from AIDS and put it towards conversion therapy.

Yes, gay people are worried about Trump.
I'm talking about people not getting murdered, nor physically attacked (on "both sides"). And also, I stand that no one be picked-on and bullied for any reason. I'm not talking about "politics". I'm hoping people know and understand the difference. Because nobody is going anywhere.

As long as the democratic process proceeds peacefully and with due process of law. I know there will be differences in opinion, debate, proposed laws and court constitutionality tested. If anyone is worried about that. I'd only say, don't worry, because worry causes stress hormones that degrades your health and disposition. (Speaking to everyone, not you in particular) Use the golden rule you hand to others... understand the other side, get to know people as people, have value for the lives of all people, understand humankind is literally one family, empathize, and most of all, don't be an evil elitist.

[Roiffalo]

This topic is another perfect example on how hilarious it is when people who aren't into horror call us psychotic for loving it and yet we're the ones who actually give a damn about human life. ...I don't know why I keep pointing that out. It just baffles me I guess.

On topic however: You forgot to add females to your list. With that added I fall below two of those categories, and yet despite so many of my friends expressing their fear for me (and others who fit the list), I'm not really afraid. This isn't the days of Hitler's rein. We're not neanderthals with piss poor technology and little voice. This is a new generation and a new age. By some conspiracy (I refuse to believe otherwise) Trump won, but the people surely won't let the horrible things that have been rumored to pass. I have never really had much faith in humanity, but there truly are good people out there. People who give a shit and will stand for what is right. Something else this topic proves.

[Sculpt]

This topic is another perfect example on how hilarious it is when people who aren't into horror call us psychotic for loving it and yet we're the ones who actually give a damn about human life. ...I don't know why I keep pointing that out. It just baffles me I guess.

On topic however: You forgot to add females to your list. With that added I fall below two of those categories, and yet despite so many of my friends expressing their fear for me (and others who fit the list), I'm not really afraid. This isn't the days of Hitler's rein. We're not neanderthals with piss poor technology and little voice. This is a new generation and a new age. By some conspiracy (I refuse to believe otherwise) Trump won, but the people surely won't let the horrible things that have been rumored to pass. I have never really had much faith in humanity, but there truly are good people out there. People who give a shit and will stand for what is right. Something else this topic proves.
Right on. Thank you, it's good to know there's others with that understanding.

Even in the media, as with every election, we're starting to hear the tone change from the "fear jolting" and monster creation, to the understanding and working together. It's not that hard to see the centuries old cycle if you bother to look.

On that point, every year the Repubs and Dems get out the professional persuaders and their $billions$ and try to convince everyone the Repub or Dem candidate is different this time... and every 4 year cycle is right between those narrow parameters of more of the same. Maybe moving to Canada, rioting or beating down your neighbor isn't all that beneficial. ::wink::

[MichaelMyers]

Right on. Thank you, it's good to know there's others with that understanding.

Even in the media, as with every election, we're starting to hear the tone change from the "fear jolting" and monster creation, to the understanding and working together. It's not that hard to see the centuries old cycle if you bother to look.

On that point, every year the Repubs and Dems get out the professional persuaders and their $billions$ and try to convince everyone the Repub or Dem candidate is different this time... and every 4 year cycle is right between those narrow parameters of more of the same. Maybe moving to Canada, rioting or beating down your neighbor isn't all that beneficial. ::wink::

Sculpt I find this is a very reassuring post. But on CNN I see swastikas and riots and mass hysteria all across the nation. Do you think these folks have been whipped up in a frenzy by the media? Or could they be paid professionals?

[Sculpt]

Sculpt I find this is a very reassuring post. But on CNN I see swastikas and riots and mass hysteria all across the nation. Do you think these folks have been whipped up in a frenzy by the media? Or could they be paid professionals?
Well, that's a detailed discussion. It's a not an 'all-this' or 'all-that' type of question or answer. Of course the protests and what you see is real. I certainly never said otherwise.

I'm not a Trump supporter. When he tried to quiet reporters, refuse to answer questions and refused to do a debate if Megan Kelly was one of the questioners, I put an X through Trump as a candidate. But over time, I've watched him not only change his behavior and rhetoric on that, he's changed and flexed on a lot of apparent stances. If you've even seen a Trump rally, you know he's very tongue-n-cheek. One taking everything he says as concrete policy is going to be very confused or disappointed.

To answer your questions... I don't have a ton of time to get super detailed right now, I have to do sound for my Escape Room. But let me just say what should be obvious: the vast majority of protesters, probably 99% are not paid, but wikileaks revealed there were paid agitators sent to Trump rallies, agitators we saw. Mobs physically attacked men and women leaving a Trump rally in San Jose early on in the Trump travels (easily found on youtube). Wikileaks revealed there was collusion between Clinton's Campaign and a PAC group that agitated at Trump rallies, which is illegal in campaign law. So there's been both, right?

The other question: has the media (of any type and size) whipped up contention against Clinton and Trump? Of course. Has some of what the media said been 100% correct and direct quotes of the candidates and applicable associates and emails? Of course. Has some media reports been a bunch of opinion, or exaggeration, or straight-up mischaracterization? Of course.

There you go. Is that surprising?

I'm happy to see people rally for 'Love over hate', and anti-racism, protest for or against policies. I think it's great. I just hope nobody riots: burns buildings, cars, property or attacks people... for obvious reasons, along with the fact it's not beneficial to the protesters' position.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Its already getting worse. Disgusting.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/house-lgbt-amendment-discrimination-fight-223366

GOP leaders barely muscled up the votes to reject an amendment that would have barred federal contractors from getting government work if they discriminate against the LGBT community.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Its already getting worse. Disgusting.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/house-lgbt-amendment-discrimination-fight-223366

GOP leaders barely muscled up the votes to reject an amendment that would have barred federal contractors from getting government work if they discriminate against the LGBT community.

Sigh. I feel a bit stupid. This was from 5/16. Not yesterday. Please ignore its relevance to the present.