Star Trek: Horror out of context

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Heh heh heh...

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unfortunately I can't see those. they aren't showing up except as still images.

Damn that sucks!

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Speaking of out of context, those actors are so stuck with their star trek roles that they look hilarious.



They look stupid.
Shatner's old in devil's rain.
Heh heh heh...
"In the name of God I'm Mark Preston!"
Another good quote from shatner in the film.
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!"

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drinking.

I think the people who made that film were drinking when they thought of the idea.

"Giant rabbits killing people! Great! Let's go with it. Hic*"

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Sooo....they've been running the old Star Trek cartoon from the 70's on Sundays, which I watch when I remember it's there. It's enjoyable enough in a He-Man way, and probably one of the stranger cartoons I've ever seen as the content seems odd for children. None stranger than the last one aired; "The Magicks of Megas-tu", wherein the Devil himself appears on the ship and is defended by Kirk in a witch hunt style trial (prosecuted by Asmodeous dressed up like a Puritan). WTF-ery abounds. Witness Spock drawing a pentagram, and trippy sequences somehow augmented by the cheapness of the animation. Weirdly sympathetic to the devil, yet it was originally supposed to feature God Himself (the network shot the idea down; the replacement of Lucifer does not serve to clarify matters.)

Not fair to put this on this forum as it's not really horror-related per-se, Satan being a fun-loving fellow and not threatening in the cartoon... but I was so baffled by the whole thing (actually I was rolling on the floor laughing in an astonished way) that I had to say something about it.

However this is not the first time horror appeared out of context on Star Trek; Robert Bloch wrote three episodes, typical of him but not of Star Trek, the most Bloch-ish being "Wolf In The Fold" and "Catspaw". One wonders how these things come about.

I had thought the famous "evil Kirk" episode "The Enemy Within" was written by Bloch, but that was another horror-oriented writer: Richard Matheson.

A lot of people love Star Trek and will defend it's quality to the death; I find it entertaining but rarely as deep as some think it is. I love Matheson and like Bloch and wonder about the strange mishmash stories they wrote for a show sort of outside their sphere-- although not entirely, to be fair. Just think it's odd.

I'm a Star Trek fan. I liked the Original Series and Next Gen, and only the 2nd Season (Xindi Serials) of Enterprise. Never much liked all the others spinoffs.

I have not watched more than 2 or 3 eps of the cartoon series. The music really grates & irritates me (same music used in the Lassie cartoon), and the bizarre looking and talking alien crew member, it just repelled me.

Interesting Devil episode you've described. Sounds a bit like Devil's Due (a really good Next Ep). Of course Roddenberry was a Humanist and fairly virulent anti-christian, some eps ring that up, some don't.

I'm a fan of Matheson's work too. The Enemy Within is an interesting ep. The only problem I have with it is the mislabeling pf so many things "evil" and "good"... in that most natural impulses are good, they just have times and places for them. Humans don't require an evil side. And good men can lead. The labeling and some odd conclusions in the ep are just a mess.

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Interesting Devil episode you've described. Sounds a bit like Devil's Due (a really good Next Ep). Of course Roddenberry was a Humanist and fairly virulent anti-christian, some eps ring that up, some don't.

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The devil episode is not and episode. It's a movie starring

Ernest Borgnigne
William Shatner (NOTE: His acting isn't too bad in Devils Rain)
and John Trevolta.
(If you can find him.)

Now I know what's going to be playing in the theatre this Halloween.

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I've often wondered what Roddenberry's views are.... Bread and Circuses is rather strange as it doesn't seem to put Christianity in a bad light, it's just weird that it's there at all; maybe I'm projecting my own views on it... the one about Apollo is pretty obviously a criticism though, as are some of the others.

The breakdown of good and evil in Star Trek is pretty black and white. There are many interesting and even relatively challenging ideas put forth, just in a clumsy manner. I've seen some of Next Gen and they seem to play with those ideas a little more, but still in a surprisingly simplistic way. The Enemy Within is typical of Matheson as far as some kind of "lone man with internal struggle" goes, it just doesn't translate well, but as with most old Star Trek, if you don't think about it too hard, it's almost compelling. I sort of like the image of a guy physically holding up and supporting his "evil" side-- very strange.

And I like the image of the guy from The Thing you have there :)
When writing my first reply, I immediately thought of the "Bread and Circuses" ep ending (though I didn't remember the name of it). It certainly seems like a friendly node to christianity, without any specifics; except the 'Septimus explains he was a senator until he heard the "words of the Sun" and was made a slave.', which I think appeared to be a positive in the ep, but would have been Rod's main objection to christianity. I see Roddenberry co-wrote this ep. He only wrote some of the eps, but designated their parameters.

The Apollo (who mourns for Adonis?) ep is interesting in that I thought it insinuated space aliens had caused the greek gods religion. But also, yes, it seems anti-god. But he didn't write that ep.

With a little research, I see Rod makes clear he is not an atheist, and believes in a kind of god, he's just anti-religion.

Do you have netflix? You should checkout Next Gen 'Devils Due', as it's the same subject matter.

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Interesting Devil episode you've described. Sounds a bit like Devil's Due (a really good Next Ep). Of course Roddenberry was a Humanist and fairly virulent anti-christian, some eps ring that up, some don't.

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Interesting Devil episode you've described. Sounds a bit like Devil's Due (a really good Next Ep). Of course Roddenberry was a Humanist and fairly virulent anti-christian, some eps ring that up, some don't.

I would like you all to meet my echo.

You should listen to everything he tells you. Landru teaches us all to listen to Sculpt's echo.

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No, there is a devil episode, that's what I've been on about. I did also mention Devil's Rain.


Just watched it on television last night. I can get weird stuff on the antenna.


IT WAS SO SATANIC!


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You should have been more careful when you visited Dr. Korby's planet...or did you recently try to beam up during an electric storm?

Ever since my visit to Dr Korby's planet my bathroom scale is way off. ::confused::

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Star Trek is best when it's horror.

Borg Queen: [to a dismantled Borg drone] It's a shame you're not alive to experience disembodiment. It's the epitome of perfection.

First Contact would have been fantastic if they'd taken out the camp and made it a pure scifi/horror movie.