Sculpt
05-29-2016, 09:55 PM
Angra is interested in more debate. Here's a good topical subject in the US now...
I'm most curious to get the ladies' and parents' opinion on this one. But please, everyone comment on any issue here.
So there's the issue of transgenders of many types going into public bathrooms of their choice. But also high school locker and shower rooms.
HS Locker/Showers:
The most striking item is if a high school male, who has a penis, but identifies as a female (lets assume dresses with female clothing) states they prefer to use the female locker/shower room. What does everyone think of that?
Researching the "Obama transgender bathroom directive" (download link (https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/850986/download)), the way I read it, schools are directed to allow the transgender with male sexual organs, gender identifying as female, to use the female locker/shower room.
8 or more states are suing.
Just Bathrooms:
Let me talk about just plain bathrooms...
This all begun with transgenders being attacked for using public bathrooms by someone who thought it was the wrong one (as sex organs aren't obvious). Physical assault is against the law everywhere in the US. These new directives and/or laws don't stop transgender assaults, but they would appear to allow men to go into women's bathrooms, and lockers and showers, seems to me. Is that OK? or do we still need to figure this out?
I assume there are no laws against men or women going into the opposite genders' bathroom. If a woman called the police, what would happen? This question answered here (http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/is-it-illegal-for-a-man-to-use-the-ladies-room/). It's possible to charge someone with a Peeping statute, Disorderly conduct or Trespass. But unlikely.
I really don't care if anyone uses a male public bathroom, but then again, I'm a male -- I don't feel unsafe from sexual assault or peeping-toms/janes looking at me in the bathroom. How do you women feel about men in a women's public bathroom?
It's important to note, if transgenders can go into any bathroom, then anyone can. There's no sex organ detectors, and no one is carrying their birth certificate. That's not a scare tactic, it's facts we're dealing with.
Solution:
First, no one should ever be assaulted or persecuted, transgender or not. If there's a REAL problem, call the police.
More direct to these issues: any individual with male organs should not be allowed in a women's shower/changing room "separately secured area", whether public school or anywhere else. And female vise versa.
If a student requests special bathroom/shower/locker use, provide if at all possible (like unisex, or single bathrooms). Make it work, use common sense.
Rule of thumb... for both school and public, any age, if an individual has exclusively male or female organs, they should use the corresponding bathroom. If the organs are indistinct, they use whichever bathroom corresponds to their gender clothing (such as a dress). If genderless clothing, use either male or female.
If an individual has male organs, but dresses as female, let them use the female bathroom; but the male shower/changing rooms. So someone might feel uncomfortable... welcome to world. Someone defecating/urinating in a public bathroom is not a crime or threat to anyone. Be friendly or leave them alone.
It's always been the case a male sexual predator can dress as a woman and go into a female bathroom to attempt a sexual assault; which I assume is extremely rare. None of these rules/laws changes that possibility. I can't see how trying to force transgenders into bathrooms that don't match the gender attire is going to reduce the extremely rare bathroom sexual assault instances.
Thoughts?
I'm most curious to get the ladies' and parents' opinion on this one. But please, everyone comment on any issue here.
So there's the issue of transgenders of many types going into public bathrooms of their choice. But also high school locker and shower rooms.
HS Locker/Showers:
The most striking item is if a high school male, who has a penis, but identifies as a female (lets assume dresses with female clothing) states they prefer to use the female locker/shower room. What does everyone think of that?
Researching the "Obama transgender bathroom directive" (download link (https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/850986/download)), the way I read it, schools are directed to allow the transgender with male sexual organs, gender identifying as female, to use the female locker/shower room.
8 or more states are suing.
Just Bathrooms:
Let me talk about just plain bathrooms...
This all begun with transgenders being attacked for using public bathrooms by someone who thought it was the wrong one (as sex organs aren't obvious). Physical assault is against the law everywhere in the US. These new directives and/or laws don't stop transgender assaults, but they would appear to allow men to go into women's bathrooms, and lockers and showers, seems to me. Is that OK? or do we still need to figure this out?
I assume there are no laws against men or women going into the opposite genders' bathroom. If a woman called the police, what would happen? This question answered here (http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/is-it-illegal-for-a-man-to-use-the-ladies-room/). It's possible to charge someone with a Peeping statute, Disorderly conduct or Trespass. But unlikely.
I really don't care if anyone uses a male public bathroom, but then again, I'm a male -- I don't feel unsafe from sexual assault or peeping-toms/janes looking at me in the bathroom. How do you women feel about men in a women's public bathroom?
It's important to note, if transgenders can go into any bathroom, then anyone can. There's no sex organ detectors, and no one is carrying their birth certificate. That's not a scare tactic, it's facts we're dealing with.
Solution:
First, no one should ever be assaulted or persecuted, transgender or not. If there's a REAL problem, call the police.
More direct to these issues: any individual with male organs should not be allowed in a women's shower/changing room "separately secured area", whether public school or anywhere else. And female vise versa.
If a student requests special bathroom/shower/locker use, provide if at all possible (like unisex, or single bathrooms). Make it work, use common sense.
Rule of thumb... for both school and public, any age, if an individual has exclusively male or female organs, they should use the corresponding bathroom. If the organs are indistinct, they use whichever bathroom corresponds to their gender clothing (such as a dress). If genderless clothing, use either male or female.
If an individual has male organs, but dresses as female, let them use the female bathroom; but the male shower/changing rooms. So someone might feel uncomfortable... welcome to world. Someone defecating/urinating in a public bathroom is not a crime or threat to anyone. Be friendly or leave them alone.
It's always been the case a male sexual predator can dress as a woman and go into a female bathroom to attempt a sexual assault; which I assume is extremely rare. None of these rules/laws changes that possibility. I can't see how trying to force transgenders into bathrooms that don't match the gender attire is going to reduce the extremely rare bathroom sexual assault instances.
Thoughts?