Guinea Pig

[orangestar]

Im looking to buy one of the movies from the Guinea Pig series, and I cant decide which one. Anybody seen them and want to give me an opinion? I love exploitation movies, and I figure these are the most famous ones.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by orangestar
Im looking to buy one of the movies from the Guinea Pig series, and I cant decide which one. Anybody seen them and want to give me an opinion? I love exploitation movies, and I figure these are the most famous ones.

check out this link unearthed films (http://www.unearthedfilms.com/)

the first film, devil's experiment is the one most people think of when you mention this series.

[orangestar]

So I should get the Devils Experiment /Andriod of Notre Dame double feature?

[zwoti]

Originally posted by orangestar
So I should get the Devils Experiment /Andriod of Notre Dame double feature?

if you are only getting one, otherwise i would get flower of flesh & blood. that's the one with the samurai

[jay o2 waster]

those look fuckin sick, so i have to see them, if you get some , let me know if there any good

[zwoti]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
those look fuckin sick, so i have to see them, if you get some , let me know if there any good

already have them..filed under guilty pleasure

[jay o2 waster]

Originally posted by zwoti
already have them..filed under guilty pleasure

LOL

[-->oscam5<--]

Anyone else heard of these Japanese ultra-nasty movies. The first one is about these people who capture and torture a woman they found of the street. Apparently Its was so realistic many people thought it to be a snuff movie until they released a 'making of' thing. Anyone else heard of/seen these movies? What did you think?

[cheebacheeba]

I know of the first one, called the devils experiment or something like that?
A later on in the series was called something like "he wont die"??
I know my dvd supplier just got a few on their list - if you see it before I do, let me know how it was.

[King Diamond]

Originally posted by -->oscam5<--
Anyone else heard of these Japanese ultra-nasty movies. The first one is about these people who capture and torture a woman they found of the street. Apparently Its was so realistic many people thought it to be a snuff movie until they released a 'making of' thing. Anyone else heard of/seen these movies? What did you think?


I prefer the really snuff films myself.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by -->oscam5<--
Anyone else heard of these Japanese ultra-nasty movies. The first one is about these people who capture and torture a woman they found of the street. Apparently Its was so realistic many people thought it to be a snuff movie until they released a 'making of' thing. Anyone else heard of/seen these movies? What did you think?

try here (http://www.unearthedfilms.com/)

by many people, i take it you heard the charlie sheen story then..

[-->oscam5<--]

Just saw a bit and this shiznit is NOT nice. Like Cannibal Holocaust not nice. Friggin disgusting! And all the 'attackers' have there eyes blacked out. Dude, the screams the woman makes sound so real.

[carnage]

Originally posted by -->oscam5<--
Just saw a bit and this shiznit is NOT nice. Like Cannibal Holocaust not nice. Friggin disgusting! And all the 'attackers' have there eyes blacked out. Dude, the screams the woman makes sound so real.

Sounds pretty disturbing...

[zwoti]

the later films have a dose in humour in them and are more like traditional films. devil's experiment and flower of flesh & blood are basically extended torture sequences.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by carnage
Sounds pretty disturbing...

they are

[Threl kaar]

Originally posted by zwoti
try here (http://www.unearthedfilms.com/)

by many people, i take it you heard the charlie sheen story then..
i always laugh when i hear that story.

[HauteTension676]

i've always been meaning to Buy a movie from this series just have never gotten around to it yet.

But for thoses that have seen the movies from this series are they any good and worth watching and are they also as gory and bloody as pretty much everybody says they are?

[RatFink13]

definately worth the money.the movies are all pretty gory and messed up.i suggest picking them up if you can find them.

[HauteTension676]

Originally posted by RatFink13
definately worth the money.the movies are all pretty gory and messed up.i suggest picking them up if you can find them.

thanks i'll pick one up maybe this weekend. Because i think you can buy them at like suncoast i'm pretty sure!


also which one is the best in the series?

[zwoti]

devils experiment / flowers of flesh & blood / mermaid in a manwhole

[HauteTension676]

Originally posted by zwoti
devils experiment / flowers of flesh & blood / mermaid in a manwhole

ok thanks zwoti

[zwoti]

Originally posted by HauteTension676
ok thanks zwoti

and in that order

[Ritualistic]

I am with RatFink13 on this , definately pick them up.. If you like gore movies you will absolutely love them

[darthvonpokemon]

I've got the 'Flower of Flesh and Blood/ Making of Guinea Pig' DVD. If you're looking for an actual horror movie with plot and tons of chills, this is NOT it. It's all pretty mininmal at best. However, I got it to see the "supposedly" amazing gore effects. I was not disappointed. The scene where the 'samurai' saws off the girls left hand and then the fingers close still makes me cringe (I have a thing about wrists for reasons unknown). The effects are bar none top notch. 'The Making of...' is fantastic for any of us indie filmakers or FX enthusiasts since they give a whole run down on how to do this, that and the other thing. Fascinating stuff. If you have ever seen the Tom Savini 'Scream Greats' video in the early 80s, you will be blown away by how advanced the "art" has become since then. The most scary thing of all about it, I was able to get it on Amazon.com LOL
CK

[HauteTension676]

Originally posted by darthvonpokemon
I've got the 'Flower of Flesh and Blood/ Making of Guinea Pig' DVD. If you're looking for an actual horror movie with plot and tons of chills, this is NOT it. It's all pretty mininmal at best. However, I got it to see the "supposedly" amazing gore effects. I was not disappointed. The scene where the 'samurai' saws off the girls left hand and then the fingers close still makes me cringe (I have a thing about wrists for reasons unknown). The effects are bar none top notch. 'The Making of...' is fantastic for any of us indie filmakers or FX enthusiasts since they give a whole run down on how to do this, that and the other thing. Fascinating stuff. If you have ever seen the Tom Savini 'Scream Greats' video in the early 80s, you will be blown away by how advanced the "art" has become since then. The most scary thing of all about it, I was able to get it on Amazon.com LOL
CK

ok thanks once again. it sounds that you got high praise from the film and you really enjoyed it. This sounds something like i should enjoy (although your right i do go for more horror movies with a somewhat plot) But i'll still give this series a try.

[Proteus]

Honestly I didn't really enjoy them that much Im a "gore hound" so to speak but there really wasn't much point to these flick there is tonnes of violence and such but I need a little bit of story to back up the gore not just gore for gores sake if ya know what I mean! but again just my opinion

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

GUINEA PIG sure sorts out the men from the boys, don't it?

UNABRIDGED AGONY (DEVIL'S EXPERIMENT) is probably more disturbing than THE FLOWER, THE FLESH & THE BLOOD with its mock-snuff stance - pelting a woman with bits of rotten flesh?

FLOWER is definately worth seeing for its fantastic prosthetic/makeup work - only thing letting the overall experience down and the viewer off the hook are the crunchy, squelchy OTT sound effects that accompany all the sawing and slicing.

(And a blatantly false chicken - director Hideshi Hino wisely insisted the animal should not be harmed)

As one observer noted, "...the effects are good - TOO good; they left my stomach feeling like a broken Slinky"...

[Proteus]

Not a fan at all I own two episodes of em just for the collection but there just pointless exploitation lacking in story/acting/camera work etc just pointless excuses for violence/gore.

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

There is no such thing as pointless exploitation - surely every created viewing experience has a point, even if it is far from the logical, ethical and moralistic base of most movies.

The GUINEA PIG films (talking about the two most notorious instalments at least) do not set out to become anything other than graphic accounts of torture - without realistic special effects or agressive, documentary-style camerawork they would have been consigned to oblivion long ago never to have reared their heads to each new generation of thrill-seekers (perhaps THEN they could be considered pointless!).

There is more background to DEVIL'S EXPERIMENT and THE FLOWER, THE FLESH & THE BLOOD if you want it (something about pain barriers and killer/victim contrasts according to their creators), but even on face value their very reputation as uncompromising and nihilistic works assures they have a point to make to every viewer - even if it is primarily "car-crash" morbid curiousity - that this is what someone is doing to someone else, wanna see how we think it might look?

[Monkey Do]

Thanks for reminding me, I've got Flowers of Flesh and Blood on one of my computers...I'm going to go watch it now.

[Old Banyan Tree]

Originally posted by Monkey Do
Thanks for reminding me, I've got Flowers of Flesh and Blood on one of my computers...I'm going to go watch it now.

i have it on dvdr, but the frigging thing doesnt open on a dvd player . it seems it opens only on a dvd writer!:mad:

im soon getting a comp setup with a dvd writer

[Proteus]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
There is no such thing as pointless exploitation - surely every created viewing experience has a point, even if it is far from the logical, ethical and moralistic base of most movies.

The GUINEA PIG films (talking about the two most notorious instalments at least) do not set out to become anything other than graphic accounts of torture - without realistic special effects or agressive, documentary-style camerawork they would have been consigned to oblivion long ago never to have reared their heads to each new generation of thrill-seekers (perhaps THEN they could be considered pointless!).

There is more background to DEVIL'S EXPERIMENT and THE FLOWER, THE FLESH & THE BLOOD if you want it (something about pain barriers and killer/victim contrasts according to their creators), but even on face value their very reputation as uncompromising and nihilistic works assures they have a point to make to every viewer - even if it is primarily "car-crash" morbid curiousity - that this is what someone is doing to someone else, wanna see how we think it might look?

Not to be mean but I think your reading too deeply into these flicks most gore fans wouldn't even like em and thats not because there too hardcore its because there boring as hell and very cheeply made!

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

Or you could say your "most gore fans" require their thrills on rails with distinct moral values and familiar logic that requires no further thought beyond the awe of the special effects - i.e. boring as hell.

FIlms like the GUINEA PIGs do not need to be looked into at all to be appreciated - they are blatantly non-conformist and agressive pieces of work, and - in comparison to today's purile fanboy zombie homages and pissweak slasher flicks - are reminders of how powerful fantasy horror can still be in the right hands that are not corrupted by current trends and catering to target audiences.

Someone once told me they didn't like THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT because, "you didn't even see the witch"...

[feral cat]

I have seen the first while ago, very pointless just an excuse for silly boys to watch them so they can say they are hardcore and a true horror fan … get over your selves your not impressing anyone … gore for gore sake without any kind of structured movie around it is boring as hell … Cannibal Holocaust is a completely different thing exploitation in the confines of a well put together product … not just a pointless exercise in gore!

[feral cat]

... I didn’t like Blair witch ... because it was s**t

[Proteus]

Sorry but My buddy could make the Guinea pig series in his basement anyone one could!!! Its just a pointless series with graphic gore!
like feral said If anyone wants to watch a good gore flick check out something thats at least well done like Cannibal Holocaust that has great locals a neat score and decent acting I'd also suggest flicks like Men Behind the Sun and Untold story way before the Guinea pig flicks there gory as hell but again very well done and actualy have some sort of plot.
If you enjoy flicks like the Guinea pigs then you more than likely enjoy the whole Faces of Death series too all they are set pieces of fake/real torture/death scenes too with no story that really must be "Art" too you!

And Im deffinitly not what you'd call a "Fanboy" and about the Blair witch, I could give a shit about it!

Proteus

[evil_blonde]

Why is it called Guinea Pig? That's mean..we just got a couple of Guinea Pigs... :(

[Proteus]

LOL theres no violence towards Guinea Pigs don't worry mind you I think a Guinea pig could of directed this mess of a series without anyone being the wiser!

Proteus

[EXTR3MIST]

Just a little more to add on this -

There is still a strong undercurrent in some horror film fans about all exploitation films having "point", being "well done" and with a neat and tidy story to offer the viewer.

However these aspects are add odds with true exploitation.

Indeed, the reactions of some gore/horror fans to the most basic and unpretentious of exploitative cinema is often derision... perhaps it is because the likes of the GUINEA PIG films are uncompromising and leave little to celebrate?

Sometimes an audacious, simple and apparently meaningless movie is what it takes to give food for thought to those amature fanboy filmmakers about to craft their latest cliched, multi-layered and oh-so-meaningful zombie/slasher/vampire piece of art. Or if it isn't, then it bloody should be.

To suggest that if one enjoys viewing films like GUINEA PIG then one must similarly "enjoy" the contents of real/fake death film sounds like a comment from an outraged Christian group or similar rather than a liberated horror fan.

I'll watch them all, and judge each on its own merits.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by evil_blonde
Why is it called Guinea Pig? That's mean..we just got a couple of Guinea Pigs... :(

from memory the director wanted an title which bare no relation to the contents of the film

[Proteus]

I do hear what your saying Extr3mist don't get me wrong I am tired of all the same lame attemps at making a truly horrifying movie.....The Guinea Pigs just truly do nother for me is all and I am "Not" a Outraged Christian trust me If I was Id be one of the worst Christians ever lol! I due own many extreme cinema flicks these ones however don't rank high on my list of faves!

Proteus

[feral cat]

... For me a film has little value if it does not entertain, thus the "Point" for me is entertainment.

Yes extreme faked gore is an art form in a way, reel human or animal death defeats the point of the "Magic" of film, but for me I want it within a package, one of the ingredients of the movie...

Chocolate needs sugar, to taste good, but sugar on its own without the other ingredients quickly becomes sickening!

To shock or offend is easy, to do these while entertaining, that’s the real art!

[EXTR3MIST]

GUINEA PIG seems more of an experience than entertainment - in the sense that thoroughly downbeat and uncompromising films like COMBAT SHOCK, FORCED ENTRY & ALL NIGHT LONG are endured through morbid curiousity rather than the usual rollercoaster ride of emotions (which surely must include elements of fun and redemption to entertain?) we would normally expect from a film.

Granted, these movies have a beginning, middle & end and are "dramas" with an unfolding story... but so too are the GP titles under discussion - their stories are just simpler and more abrupt, with utterly no regard for audience expectation.

This in itself means these oft-slagged creations are important films - I think with some it is the blatant audacity of the subject matter combined with the brutal gore effects that breeds contempt... the point of them is just what you see and hear, the director is not trying to offload any morals or fix any comfortable balance whatsoever.

Perversely, these long posts on the subject are making the PIGs sound rather deep and meaningful... they're not, but they are very interesting - even if for only viewing once and in a "car-crash" state of curiosity.

[Proteus]

I must say Say thanks to you Extr3mist for not getting overly upset and acutally talking about this subjects without name calling and the ilk good to see some people can actually discuss if not debate peacefully I truly hope I didn't offend you in anyway If so sorry!

I do by the way Rather enjoy Combat Shock its a damn gritty depressing flick done on a super low budget but used effectively sad to actually see Troma is actually the vendor for it lol

And as far as All night long goes own the 3 liked the first and the 3rd was a little much and kinda made me feel dirty lol

Proteus

[zwoti]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
GUINEA PIG seems more of an experience than entertainment - in the sense that thoroughly downbeat and uncompromising films like COMBAT SHOCK, FORCED ENTRY & ALL NIGHT LONG are endured through morbid curiousity rather than the usual rollercoaster ride of emotions

i think we are all in agreement here.

[feral cat]

Originally posted by Proteus
[B]... mind you I think a Guinea pig could of directed this mess of a series without anyone being the wiser!
LOL

... and yes I agree Zwoti

... I only saw the first 1 or 2 of this series and that was enough for me ... but each to their own, as they say!
:cool:

[Toxic Avenger]

What do u think abouth series called "Guinea pig"? It's 6 parts

-Devils experiment
-Flowers of flesh and blood
-He never dies
-Mermaid in manhole
-Android in NotreDamme
-Devil Woman doctor

1 Devils experiment:

Movie has no plot. It only shows 3 man torturing a woman so we can see: Beating, Kicking etc. etc.

2 FOF&B

Some guy in samurai suit, kiddnap girl, next he make apllicate uncontious mediciene (that she don't feel pain) and then he cut her limbs off by swors, knife saw etc. ( it's very sic and disgusting movie )

4 Mermaid In Manhole

Art teacher who lost his wife is going to manhole, there he meet mermaid who was seen by him a long time ago. Girl is very sick so painter take her to his flat and start to "take care about her"....

I haven't seen parts 3,5,6 so i won't tell u anything more. Also i send screenshots from movies

[ShankS]

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[urgeok]

Originally posted by Toxic Avenger
What do u think abouth series called "Guinea pig"? It's 6 parts

-Devils experiment
-Flowers of flesh and blood
-He never dies
-Mermaid in manhole
-Android in NotreDamme
-Devil Woman doctor

1 Devils experiment:

Movie has no plot. It only shows 3 man torturing a woman so we can see: Beating, Kicking etc. etc.

2 FOF&B

Some guy in samurai suit, kiddnap girl, next he make apllicate uncontious mediciene (that she don't feel pain) and then he cut her limbs off by swors, knife saw etc. ( it's very sic and disgusting movie )

4 Mermaid In Manhole

Art teacher who lost his wife is going to manhole, there he meet mermaid who was seen by him a long time ago. Girl is very sick so painter take her to his flat and start to "take care about her"....

I haven't seen parts 3,5,6 so i won't tell u anything more. Also i send screenshots from movies



sounds like some great entertainment ...:rolleyes:

[ShankS]

as much entertainment as fried guinea.

[zwoti]

for gore hounds only

[ShankS]

Originally posted by zwoti
for gore hounds only

I'm all for gore, but those just seam pretty pointless.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
I'm all for gore, but those just seam pretty pointless.

oh, i'm sure someone will pop in here to justify this shit by explaining the hard hitting social relevance of watching women be maimed and tortured.

[Red Dragon]

I saw one a few years ago, "Mermaid in a Manhole." Piece-o'-crap. I'm sorry but I don't understand how people can say this stuff looks realistic. The "SFX" in this movie look like the SFX in the original Evil Dead. Which was good for it's time and still is in a way but when you are selling something on the preconception of it being "real" you have to do much better IMO.

Still, I can understand their appeal. It's like "Oh God you have to see THIS!" but after the initial viewing there really isn't any reason to watch it again. I don't know......I just wasn't impressed.

[The Mothman]

I must admit, I am a gore hound, but I dont enjoy watching poeple get tortured for no reason. thats just kinda sick.

[Angra]

Originally posted by ShankS
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I bet this guy must have been in seriously pain while eating his cock and balls with fries.:D

[EXTR3MIST]

I still masturbate to The Flower, The Flesh & The Blood on occasion, if ER isn't on.

The Guinea Pigs are a tour-de-force: perfect for narking snotty liberals, they get right up the nose of those seeking logical meaning and decency from all films.

Unabridged Agony (or Devil's Experiment) has chased many a lightweight viewer out of my luxury penthouse, and I must admit I find that hilarious.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
I still masturbate to The Flower, The Flesh & The Blood on occasion, if ER isn't on.

The Guinea Pigs are a tour-de-force: perfect for narking snotty liberals, they get right up the nose of those seeking logical meaning and decency from all films.

Unabridged Agony (or Devil's Experiment) has chased many a lightweight viewer out of my luxury penthouse, and I must admit I find that hilarious.

you spend more time masterbating than most people spend awake !!! Must have a right arm like a marble pillar !

[EXTR3MIST]

Come to think of it, maybe it wasn't what was on the telly that chased them out then - but maybe my inappropriately timed acts of self-abuse to it?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Come to think of it, maybe it wasn't what was on the telly that chased them out then - but maybe my inappropriately timed acts of self-abuse to it?

you'd have to have some pretty tolerant friends ... i hope you at least offer them some raincoats

(and scotchguard your sofa !)

[IDrinkYourBlood]

I jerked off to the first volume

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by IDrinkYourBlood
I jerked off to the first volume
WTF>>!!!

[IDrinkYourBlood]

Originally posted by The Mothman
WTF>>!!! the first volume of guinea pig. Devils Project or something to that effect. Hottest thing EVER!

[EXTR3MIST]

I jerked off to the first volume

Er, dude I was only kidding...

Gore wankers unite!

[Buffy_101]

Originally posted by The Mothman
I must admit, I am a gore hound, but I dont enjoy watching poeple get tortured for no reason. thats just kinda sick.

Same here. It doesn't sound good at all, i remember hearing parts about when i was in Japan....just wrong.

[EXTR3MIST]

Fucking lightweight.

Ugh ugh ugh!

[bloodrayne]

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[iheartkubrick]

Has anyone seen the "guinea pig" series of "fake snuff" by Satoru Ogura? If so what did you think of them? I am disgusted by what I have read about them and from small clips I've seen, but of course my macabre curiosity is getting the best of me. I want to see them but I am afraid I will be too grossed out lol. The one I am referrig too most is the "flower of flesh and blood."

[Bunman]

I love the collection - Although I was expectiong a bit more from it in general, Flower of Flesh and Blood is quality. Not the sorta thing you'd show your nan on a sunday afternoon.

He never dies is cool too. That crazy crazy guy, he just never dies!

[The Vern]

I love the Japanese extreme films but frankly I found most of them too reliant on cheap sex shots, soft porn content. Shame because if you go for shock value, eating humans should really be enough.

Human Pork Chop was a good example.

[PR3SSUR3]

Eating humans is never, ever enough.

[urgeok]

peopllllllllllllle, that eat peopllllllllle,
are the hungriest peoplllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllle,
in the world ....

[The Vern]

If I am honest tho, and I generally am, the thought of eating human flesh is kind of erotic, like sharing the ultimate gift.

Maybe just me, maybe just curiosity but think about it... Meat = Food. *no offense to vegetarians*