Simple curiosity poll

[TheBossInTheWall]

What gender do you identify as? I know there's lots more than I have listed here.
I guess I identify as a man, but I do not often think about my gender too much. Privilege I guess.

[Roiffalo]

Needs 'Genderpunk'. ::smile::
Although I do identify as 'female', I don't follow any stereotypes and am very rebellious towards anything feminine. Especially people like my father who think my hair needs to be long and pink my favorite color. People mistake me for a guy all the time though and it doesn't bother me anymore. I laugh if anything. So maybe 'genderindifferent'? ::big grin::

[TheBossInTheWall]

Needs 'Genderpunk'. ::smile::
Although I do identify as 'female', I don't follow any stereotypes and am very rebellious towards anything feminine. Especially people like my father who think my hair needs to be long and pink my favorite color. People mistake me for a guy all the time though and it doesn't bother me anymore. I laugh if anything. So maybe 'genderindifferent'? ::big grin::

Hah. Maybe. : ) I didn't list female though on the assumption that is a sex, not a gender. Which isn't to say that's correct. : ) In my younger days I sometimes was mistaken for a girl due to being so pretty with make up on with death rocky clothes. Alas, the pretty dies with age.

Gender indifferent yeah. Sort of the same here.

And now I'm going to have in my head all day a member of Tribe 8, not sure who, saying(part of a song) "wrong fucking bathroom!"

[Roiffalo]

Hmm. I view sex and gender as the same thing but I try not to get too deep into naming ever damn aspect about myself. My sexuality is complicated enough as it is without dragging gender into it.

[MichaelMyers]

Whenever the wife says I shouldn't have another doughnut, I tell her I choose to identify as skinny and have my fill.

[The Bloofer Lady]

I voted woman. And I just happen to be one. ::cool::

[Repo'd]

My best friend is a dog, therefore I must be a man.

[TheBossInTheWall]

My best friend is a dog, therefore I must be a (wolf)man.

Had to correct your mistake there.

[Repo'd]

::big grin:: Accurate, I suppose!

[TheBossInTheWall]

Hmm. I view sex and gender as the same thing but I try not to get too deep into naming ever damn aspect about myself. My sexuality is complicated enough as it is without dragging gender into it.

Indeed. I like to analyze things sometimes, in regards to how/what people choose and why. Thoughts, commonalities, differences. For me its not about someone fitting a label, but everything that is a part of gender in general. Though this poll was just a passing curiosity. I didn't want to put 50 options in there.

[newb]

I'm a manly man

[Dude Guadalupe]

I'm less manly... but I'm pretty sure I'm still a man.

Hang on, let me check.....

Yep. Still a man.

[Roiffalo]

My best friend is a dog, therefore I must be a (wolf)man.

::big grin:: Accurate, I suppose!

Knew there was a reason I liked you, Repo ::big grin::

[Repo'd]

Knew there was a reason I liked you, Repo ::big grin::

Haha! And I knew there was a reason I LYCED you too. Get it? Lyced? ok, I guess that could be read as liced, but don't. Don't read it that way.

[Roiffalo]

I see what you did there ::big grin::

[Sculpt]

Can you explain what "Third Gender" is ?

[cheebacheeba]

Can you explain what "Third Gender" is ?

It's when instead of nipples, you have mini-dicks growing out of them, and a vagina on the back of your neck.


I am a male.
I have a penis, and testicles, and the two work together to ejaculate semen.

[DeadbeatAtDawn]

woman.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Can you explain what "Third Gender" is ?

Google. :)

[hammerfan]

You forgot "Alien"

[anglewitch]

17835
(Celenite) "MAN"
Those who have watched first men in the moon will get this.
Anyway. I'm a MAN.

[MichaelMyers]

I am a Rastafarian dwarf.

[Sculpt]

Google. :)

Google it? I'd probably get multiple answers. Comon, it's your poll. How would you define it in your own words?

[TheBossInTheWall]

Google it? I'd probably get multiple answers. Comon, it's your poll. How would you define it in your own words?

Shrug. Its just something I typed up very quickly. A third gender is basically that, a third gender. Like in a gender binary(hyphen?) community, but with a third gender that serves a purpose. I mean there's more than just three genders, but I didn't want to type out a huge list.

[tfantasy]

woman

::roll eyes::

[ChronoGrl]

Aherm.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/8967c1d7-903d-49e3-849e-f05630042056_zps886f995e.jpg


You might want to amend those labels to "CIS Man" and "CIS Woman."

Without the prefix of "cis," the implication is that "transgender" is in a different bucket as "man" and "woman" meaning that someone who is "trans" is not "man" or "woman." The prefix "cis" allows specific and differentiation of identification of being "male" or "female."

Example:

Caitlyn Jenner was born a man with male body parts and did not identify with those parts or that gender; she is a trans woman.

I was born a woman with female body parts and identify with these parts and this gender; I am a cis woman.

[Roiffalo]

^ Good post, but if this topic were to include every or most gender options... I'd be hella long.

The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit


And Boss thought this was a SIMPLE question.

Nay nay.

[Martha]

I did the poll also. I posted as a woman.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Aherm.

You might want to amend those labels to "CIS Man" and "CIS Woman."

Without the prefix of "cis," the implication is that "transgender" is in a different bucket as "man" and "woman" meaning that someone who is "trans" is not "man" or "woman." The prefix "cis" allows specific and differentiation of identification of being "male" or "female."

Example:

Caitlyn Jenner was born a man with male body parts and did not identify with those parts or that gender; she is a trans woman.

I was born a woman with female body parts and identify with these parts and this gender; I am a cis woman.

I know about the cis gender label, but like I said earlier it was just a quick post. As far as cis gender, I can understand its use, but I do not like someone telling me what I am and telling me I'm cis gendered man does not describe me.

[TheBossInTheWall]

^ Good post, but if this topic were to include every or most gender options... I'd be hella long.

And Boss thought this was a SIMPLE question.

Nay nay.

I definitely know its not simple. :)

[Roiffalo]

I definitely know its not simple. :)

Just pokin' fun at your topic title. ::big grin::

[TheBossInTheWall]

Just pokin' fun at your topic title. ::big grin::

Hah. Wanker. ;)

[ChronoGrl]

I know about the cis gender label, but like I said earlier it was just a quick post. As far as cis gender, I can understand its use, but I do not like someone telling me what I am and telling me I'm cis gendered man does not describe me.

The "cis" label is as common in the discussion as the "trans" label is, so it's really not that unreasonable to request it be included. And you missed the point that by excluding "cis man" then you are insinuating that "trans man" is in opposition to and not "man," which is not true.

Also, if you read my post as me "telling you what you are"... You're wrong.

Oops. Told you what you are again. ::roll eyes::

[TheBossInTheWall]

The "cis" label is as common in the discussion as the "trans" label is, so it's really not that unreasonable to request it be included. And you missed the point that by excluding "cis man" then you are insinuating that "trans man" is in opposition to and not "man," which is not true.

Also, if you read my post as me "telling you what you are"... You're wrong.

Oops. Told you what you are again. ::roll eyes::

I disagree. Whether or not trans is as important as cis, it is much more in the awareness of the general public than cis. Its not an unreasonable request, but this was just a quickly typed up poll for a passing interest.

Picking one option that I excluded doesn't fit the narrative. There are, as Roifallo posted, many many more genders than the ones I put in the poll. Am I then invalidating all of those genders and insinuating many many many different things? I do not think so.

I do concede it probably would have been better to just ask the question without the poll.

Lastly, there is no need to condescend me.

[anglewitch]

I am a Rastafarian dwarf.

::big grin::

[ChronoGrl]

I disagree. Whether or not trans is as important as cis, it is much more in the awareness of the general public than cis. Its not an unreasonable request, but this was just a quickly typed up poll for a passing interest.

Picking one option that I excluded doesn't fit the narrative. There are, as Roifallo posted, many many more genders than the ones I put in the poll. Am I then invalidating all of those genders and insinuating many many many different things? I do not think so.

I do concede it probably would have been better to just ask the question without the poll.

Lastly, there is no need to condescend me.

Not sure you want to bring the word "important" into the discussion - That creates a hierarchy and opens your argument to directions that I'm not sure you intended to or wanted to go. My point was that it commonly exists within the conversation along with gender labels such as "trans."

Lastly, I wasn't condescending, I was matching tone - You accused me of forcing a label on you, which I did not, so I answered in turn. There is no need to be defensive.

[Straker]

I'm a man, with an impressive beard.

[Jake.Ashworth]

I apologize if this ends up being unpopular, but realistically there are only two genders. Everything else is more of a state of mind/mental condition, more than it is a gender. As you can see by the poll, Male and Female are the only real options. The others couldn't really be considered genders, short of the very rare cases in which people are born with both sets, so maybe I would conceit to a third, but only if your born with both not if you surgically had one added.

[TheBossInTheWall]

I apologize if this ends up being unpopular, but realistically there are only two genders. Everything else is more of a state of mind/mental condition, more than it is a gender. As you can see by the poll, Male and Female are the only real options. The others couldn't really be considered genders, short of the very rare cases in which people are born with both sets, so maybe I would conceit to a third, but only if your born with both not if you surgically had one added.

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

[Jake.Ashworth]

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

This is just a quick grab from a scientific web site.

Biological Gender (sex) includes physical attributes such as external genitalia, sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and internal reproductive structures. At birth, it is used to assign sex, that is, to identify individuals as male or female.

By that standard, Gender determines sex based on these things, you are either male or female unless a genetic deformation occurs in the womb at which point there is an option C. But everything beyond option C is just a made up construct in a persons mind. All of this gender confusion is an unfortunate side effect of the way society has backed away from the standard "male" and "female" roles, out of fear of offending people. Everything beyond option C only exists out of political correctness and the fear of offending others. The more we back away from the standards that brought our race to where it is today, the more our children will become confused about their identities. If you tell a child they can be a unicorn if they want to be, most will choose to be a unicorn, but alas, they are not a unicorn. Gender is not a choice, it is given to us in our genetic make up.

[TheBossInTheWall]

This is just a quick grab from a scientific web site.

Biological Gender (sex) includes physical attributes such as external genitalia, sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and internal reproductive structures. At birth, it is used to assign sex, that is, to identify individuals as male or female.

By that standard, Gender determines sex based on these things, you are either male or female unless a genetic deformation occurs in the womb at which point there is an option C. But everything beyond option C is just a made up construct in a persons mind. All of this gender confusion is an unfortunate side effect of the way society has backed away from the standard "male" and "female" roles, out of fear of offending people. Everything beyond option C only exists out of political correctness and the fear of offending others. The more we back away from the standards that brought our race to where it is today, the more our children will become confused about their identities. If you tell a child they can be a unicorn if they want to be, most will choose to be a unicorn, but alas, they are not a unicorn. Gender is not a choice, it is given to us in our genetic make up.

What website? Why do you value its definition so much? Or am I incorrect in that assumption? I'm curious, not saying you're wrong to think so. : )

What standard male and female roles are you talking about?
The unicorn analogy is the same kind of analogy that if gay people can get married so can a dog and a person. Its irrelevant and in case of the god and person very insulting and vile. Truly believing you are a unicorn is psychosis, where as believing you are a certain gender is not. I think the more and more people that explore gender the less we'll all care about it in general, letting people be what they are without giving them any kind of role.

Its not about confusion either. Its about exploring and choosing for yourself. Being allowed to be what you want to be.

Politically correct? How is treating someone with basic respect and dignity the same as, what I'm assuming here, special treatment?

[horcrux2007]

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.

[Sculpt]

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

[Roiffalo]

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.

I love this.

[TheBossInTheWall]

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

That I dunno. Never looked into research studies. I vaguely remember that in some people some sort of amount of genetic markers(correct term?) were higher in the 'opposite' sex of what they were born with. Horrible explanation. Brain not working so well tonight.

[Sculpt]

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.
Interesting. We have a totally different life experience within our own bodies.

My male body (of course, includes my brain) gave me no choice as to "how I want to act" (in regards to sexual attraction). Never had a thought/desire outside an attractive sexually mature woman. Wasn't "a choice of how to act". Never. Not at all. Never a second.

It's like suggesting I chose not to want to eat the light switch in my room. No, it actually never occurred to me.

That I dunno. Never looked into research studies. I vaguely remember that in some people some sort of amount of genetic markers(correct term?) were higher in the 'opposite' sex of what they were born with. Horrible explanation. Brain not working so well tonight.
I don't even know what that sentence means. Can you rephrase it?

To date, there are no genetic markers regarding homosexuality or "gender" (that is the existence of gender separate from sexual organs). None.

Seriously, don't believe the BS people say. Prove me wrong with a scientific periodical that has survived basic logical peer review.

That aside, the question I asked any adult can answer. Requires no research, just basic logic (such as process of elimination).

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

[MichaelMyers]

Interesting. We have a totally different life experience within our own bodies.

My male body (of course, includes my brain) gave me no choice as to "how I want to act". Never had a thought/desire outside an attractive sexually mature woman. Wasn't "a choice of how to act". Never. Not at all. Never a second.

It's like suggesting I chose not to want to eat the light switch in my room. No, it actually never occurred to me.


I don't even know what that sentence means. Do you?

To date, there are no genetic markers regarding homosexuality or "gender" (that is the existence of gender separate from sexual organs). None.

Seriously, don't believe the BS people say. Prove me wrong with a scientific periodical that has survived basic logical peer review.

That aside, the question I asked any adult can answer. Requires no research, just basic logic (such as process of elimination).

Sculpt I think I get it. An invading spirit is whispering and planting these suggestions in the brain? Is that it?

[Jake.Ashworth]

What website? Why do you value its definition so much? Or am I incorrect in that assumption? I'm curious, not saying you're wrong to think so. : )

What standard male and female roles are you talking about?
The unicorn analogy is the same kind of analogy that if gay people can get married so can a dog and a person. Its irrelevant and in case of the god and person very insulting and vile. Truly believing you are a unicorn is psychosis, where as believing you are a certain gender is not. I think the more and more people that explore gender the less we'll all care about it in general, letting people be what they are without giving them any kind of role.

Its not about confusion either. Its about exploring and choosing for yourself. Being allowed to be what you want to be.

Politically correct? How is treating someone with basic respect and dignity the same as, what I'm assuming here, special treatment?


I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

[TheBossInTheWall]

I'm bowing out of this discussion guys. Its become too intense and serious. I'm here to enjoy talking about horror with sometimes other genres of film/books/games, I don't want this discussion to bleed into/color each of us in conversing in other parts of the forums. Let's let it go and move on? :)

[MichaelMyers]

I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

I take your point. Third gender might lead to fourth gender, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight genders ad infinitum. But is social confusion OK if it helps the psychologically disturbed feel better?

[Jake.Ashworth]

I'm bowing out of this discussion guys. Its become too intense and serious. I'm here to enjoy talking about horror with sometimes other genres of film/books/games, I don't want this discussion to bleed into/color each of us in conversing in other parts of the forums. Let's let it go and move on? :)

I very much appreciate that. And I still love you!

I take your point. Third gender might lead to fourth gender, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight genders ad infinitum. But is social confusion OK if it helps the psychologically disturbed feel better?

Making the psychologically disturbed feel better does not make them better. If anything it makes them worse by allowing their confusion to become the norm. If you think that your a fifth gender, then maybe we need to look into the seated issue that isn't allowing you to settle on male or female. Maybe instead of saying cool, you can be your own thing and then sue anyone who tells you different and force colleges to put a circle that says "fifth gender" on their applications so you don't feel left out, maybe we say "Look, we understand that you don't quite know how to feel, lets talk through it and figure out what's going on."

[MichaelMyers]

Making the psychologically disturbed feel better does not make them better.

I think I see the reasoning Jake: a very fat person may "feel" better from eating 2 dozen chocolate donuts and vats of deep-fried chicken, but they do not "become" better.

If anything it makes them worse by allowing their confusion to become the norm. If you think that your a fifth gender, then maybe we need to look into the seated issue that isn't allowing you to settle on male or female. Maybe instead of saying cool, you can be your own thing and then sue anyone who tells you different and force colleges to put a circle that says "fifth gender" on their applications so you don't feel left out, maybe we say "Look, we understand that you don't quite know how to feel, lets talk through it and figure out what's going on."

What to do if those who are diseased do not think they are? What if they think *you* are the abnormal. Then this becomes something that can't be talked through.

[Jake.Ashworth]

I think I see the reasoning Jake: a very fat person may "feel" better from eating 2 dozen chocolate donuts and vats of deep-fried chicken, but they do not "become" better.

Exactly!

What to do if those who are diseased do not think they are? What if they think *you* are the abnormal. Then this becomes something that can't be talked through.

I can definitely see that, but to most people who are "confused" about something, the offer of help figuring out what is confusing them would be welcomed. But of course there is always the possibility that things cant be talked through. I think instead of pandering to those few people who are confused and changing the accepted social structure to bend it around a handful of people, we should just go on taking care of business the way we have. To be honest, it offends me that there are so many easily offended people in the world. I mean, really, its going to get to the point where we are going to have to start offering Klingon on applications and as a second language. As a matter of fact I would bet there are more people who want to be Klingon than there are who believe they are the opposite sex.

[MovieLover12]

I have a penis, and testicles, and the two work together to ejaculate semen.

Give this guy a medal!

[Sculpt]

Sculpt I think I get it. An invading spirit is whispering and planting these suggestions in the brain? Is that it?
Well actually, MM, I was hoping to get a bunch of other people's opinions.

I'm a social scientist, we care a lot about what other people think and why and how they came to that conclusion. I, for one, ultimately come to my own conclusions, often just the "best certainties" at this time (as opposed to assuming something is absolutely correct for all time.)

The way you worded your answer, it sounds like you're telling me what you think it is that I think. Is that right? If so, what do you think? Or what do you think are some of the possibilities?

What do all of you think about this (below question)?

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

[The Bloofer Lady]

Basic instinct. That's what's disagreeing. A person's basic instinct kicks in and says I'm sexually attracted to and can love a man/woman etc. I don't really care about this kind of stuff, kids. Give me a good movie, a glass of wine and my own thoughts and I'm quite happy. I don't even believe in "True Love". Meh, could just be my age though. ::wink::

[TheBossInTheWall]

Basic instinct. That's what's disagreeing. A person's basic instinct kicks in and says I'm sexually attracted to and can love a man/woman etc. I don't really care about this kind of stuff, kids. Give me a good movie, a glass of wine and my own thoughts and I'm quite happy. I don't even believe in "True Love". Meh, could just be my age though. ::wink::

I believe in true love, its for other people. :P

[Martha]

Basic instinct. That's what's disagreeing. A person's basic instinct kicks in and says I'm sexually attracted to and can love a man/woman etc. I don't really care about this kind of stuff, kids. Give me a good movie, a glass of wine and my own thoughts and I'm quite happy. I don't even believe in "True Love". Meh, could just be my age though. ::wink::

I just an older woman who likes a good glass of wine, lots of good movies and my own thoughts .

Like The Bloofer Lady says then I am quite happy.

Past the age to worry! But I do like to make myself attractive though! I do have a nice pair of legs!

A few looks or maybe a whistle or two isn't bad either!

Oh well!

[MichaelMyers]

Well actually, MM, I was hoping to get a bunch of other people's opinions.

I'm a social scientist, we care a lot about what other people think and why and how they came to that conclusion. I, for one, ultimately come to my own conclusions, often just the "best certainties" at this time (as opposed to assuming something is absolutely correct for all time.)

The way you worded your answer, it sounds like you're telling me what you think it is that I think. Is that right? If so, what do you think? Or what do you think are some of the possibilities?

What do all of you think about this (below question)?

I am not ready to sign on to the implication that deviant behavior is the result of a succubus. BUT I am not ready to rule it out either.

[Roiffalo]

I'm bowing out of this discussion guys. Its become too intense and serious. I'm here to enjoy talking about horror with sometimes other genres of film/books/games, I don't want this discussion to bleed into/color each of us in conversing in other parts of the forums. Let's let it go and move on? :)

Should've seen it comin', Boss. Wanna go two for two and start a topic on sexual orientation? ::big grin::

[TheBossInTheWall]

Should've seen it comin', Boss. Wanna go two for two and start a topic on sexual orientation? ::big grin::

Well that might actually work out well since some of the people here are witty. It might actually make us all laugh.

[Roiffalo]

Well that might actually work out well since some of the people here are witty. It might actually make us all laugh.

It's a whole nother can of worms. I admit I'd be curious to see what kind of answers you'd get though.

[ChronoGrl]

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

Yes, I agree with all of this. There is a HUGE difference between sex (the body, what you are physically born with) and gender (what you identify with), so of course it makes sense that there are multiple categories.


I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

That's an incredibly archaic, narrow-minded, and heteronormative point of view.


I take your point. Third gender might lead to fourth gender, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight genders ad infinitum. But is social confusion OK if it helps the psychologically disturbed feel better?

Making the psychologically disturbed feel better does not make them better. If anything it makes them worse by allowing their confusion to become the norm. If you think that your a fifth gender, then maybe we need to look into the seated issue that isn't allowing you to settle on male or female. Maybe instead of saying cool, you can be your own thing and then sue anyone who tells you different and force colleges to put a circle that says "fifth gender" on their applications so you don't feel left out, maybe we say "Look, we understand that you don't quite know how to feel, lets talk through it and figure out what's going on."

What to do if those who are diseased do not think they are? What if they think *you* are the abnormal. Then this becomes something that can't be talked through.

Guys. No. We're not referring to those who do not identify as "male" or "female" as the "psychologically disturbed" or as "diseased."


I can definitely see that, but to most people who are "confused" about something, the offer of help figuring out what is confusing them would be welcomed. But of course there is always the possibility that things cant be talked through. I think instead of pandering to those few people who are confused and changing the accepted social structure to bend it around a handful of people, we should just go on taking care of business the way we have. To be honest, it offends me that there are so many easily offended people in the world. I mean, really, its going to get to the point where we are going to have to start offering Klingon on applications and as a second language. As a matter of fact I would bet there are more people who want to be Klingon than there are who believe they are the opposite sex.

There's a difference between not identifying with the sex that you were born with and being "confused." You are being incredibly patronizing. This isn't about people who are "confused" or "easily offended" - This is literally opening up the concept of gender for people who don't identify as "male" or "female" and if you don't understand where these people are coming from, then just kindly walk away.

And really - That there are many different genders to identify with doesn't belittle you identifying as "male" or "female." So ultimately I say go about your business identifying as strictly "male" or "female" and don't judge those who may identify differently than you.


It's a whole nother can of worms. I admit I'd be curious to see what kind of answers you'd get though.

LOL Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ::wink::

[MovieLover12]

What gender does an Asperger's male that dislikes having sex fit into?

Yes, I am talking about myself.

Looks like people are too afraid to talk about certain things.

[ChronoGrl]

Sexual orientation identification and sex drive are separate from gender identification. Your question is specifically about sexuality, not gender. Based on your post, it sounds like you identify with the male gender but you are looking for a classification around your sexual preference (not sure what having Asperger's has anything to do with the discussion but ok).

"Dislikes having sex" - That makes me immediately think of asexual as an orientation but there's a difference between "disliking having sex" and "not having any sexual feelings or desires." Asexuality is associated with the latter.

[MovieLover12]

Attraction is present, but not the desire to engage. What's my problem?

[ChronoGrl]

Apathy? ::wink::

[MovieLover12]

Apathy? ::wink::

I was like this when it came to voting. Now, I'm all for Corbyn and the Labour Party!

[Martha]

It's a whole nother can of worms. I admit I'd be curious to see what kind of answers you'd get though.

Sounds like fun! Go for it!

[Jake.Ashworth]

I apologize, I have a lot more to say, but I love all yall and don't want to segregate myself from this forum. I will keep my opinions to myself, clearly they are unpopular.

[Repo'd]

I'm happy that you felt comfortable speaking your mind. I can love and respect you without having us agree on every political, social and most importantly, horror debate. I love diversity and freedom of speech, so in my mind that means hearing out other people with different opinions and trying to learn about them and myself. Say what feels right, Jake. This here's 'Murrica.

[Jake.Ashworth]

I'm happy that you felt comfortable speaking your mind. I can love and respect you without having us agree on every political, social and most importantly, horror debate. I love diversity and freedom of speech, so in my mind that means hearing out other people with different opinions and trying to learn about them and myself. Say what feels right, Jake. This here's 'Murrica.

Awwww, that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

I have some opinions that make me sound like a terrible person, and I know they do. Sometimes I am guilty of looking at things without taking into account peoples feelings. Sometimes I look at things a little to analytically.

[MovieLover12]

Knowing that political opinions cause divisions between people, why would you guys even want to engage in the process at all?

Because they love the childish drama

[Despare]

It's an interesting issue especially when you read a lot of academics discussing it. I've seen everything from mental health studies to the issue being defined as a first world problem to academics calling people out as transphobic if they wouldn't date somebody who has transitioned. I've seen both sides presented respectfully and both sides championed by the lowest of people. All in all, whatever pronoun you want me to use I'll do it out of respect... except xir... I'll just smile and wave in that case.