Who would win?

[_____V_____]

Assuming a hypothetical situation which happens in a parallel, post-Apocalyptic world where only these 3 groups of creatures survive, and all of humanity is gone.

With no other options to feed, they will have to turn on each other eventually.

[hammerfan]

I voted for werewolves. Zombies are too slow. Vampires are limited to moving around at night. Werewolves can find the vampires' lairs during the day and kill them. Plus, I think they're stronger than vampires.

[The Villain]

Werewolves. The way i figure it. One group of creatures can't turn another so there wouldn't be any restocking the ranks.

Zombies strength come from their large numbers and like the others, the ability to infect others. But like I've already established, they wouldn't be able to turn a werewolf or a vampire. Their large numbers wouldnt be a problem either because of the strength that werewolves and vampires have would easily allow them to dispose of the zombies.

Vampires would eventually grow weak without any human blood to drink, as I suppose vampires wouldn't get much strength from the blood of the dead. This would make them vulnerable to the werewolves.

The one flaw the werewolves have is that they are only at full strength during the full moon and would be susceptible to being ripped apart by zombies during the day and vampires at night. But due to their animal instincts, even in human form, the would easily be able to detect the rotting corpses of the dead and avoid them.

Plus they can hunt vampires during the day when they are at their most vulnerable.

[realdealblues]

Another vote for Werewolves.

In general they stand a better chance.

Of course there's a lot of variables you could throw in depending on what mythology you are following:

How many of each race are there (ie. A few hundred Wolves & Vamps vs. 1.5 Billion Zombies, etc)?
Slow zombies or fast aggressive zombies?
Can the wolves change at will or only during the full moon?
What can & can't the vampires do (ie. Change form, go out during the day, etc)?

Depending on the ground rules for each governing class, my vote might change.

[MichaelMyers]

I voted werewolves, but wish to change my vote to vampires. Vampires, while they do not have the brute strength of your average werewolf, make up for it in cunning and telepathic powers.

Excellent question, V.

[_____V_____]

How many of each race are there (ie. A few hundred Wolves & Vamps vs. 1.5 Billion Zombies, etc)?
Slow zombies or fast aggressive zombies?
Can the wolves change at will or only during the full moon?
What can & can't the vampires do (ie. Change form, go out during the day, etc)?


Zombies - Mindless, hungry abominations whose numbers can be pretty overwhelming. Individuals, well, you can kick their asses.
Strength in numbers.
Vulnerability = brain damage, otherwise ripped to pieces.

Werewolves - Kick a mean punch when transformed, with claws, teeth and muscle. When not transformed, a completely different creature. Full moon best suited, otherwise...?
Strength in strength, but (ONLY) when transformed. Out of transformation, maybe thinking, but not as cunning as the vampires.
Vulnerability = silver bullets, pretty easy fodder when out of transformation.

Vampires - Can use the night to their overwhelming advantage, intelligence, ability to think and chalk out strategies/plans, transform into bats, rats, fog, wind, can cause mass hypnosis, can cause damage during day time too IF they are not sleeping AND dodge the sunlight.
Strength in mind power, rational thinking, all of the above.
Vulnerability = sunlight, crosses/holy water, stakes driven through heart, might need to doze during day.

Even in a few numbers, I think the guys in cloaks with sharp canine teeth hold the aces here, even when facing werewolves in thousands, and zombies in millions.

I have to go against the flow. Vampires for me.

[Sicknero]

It's a great question :-D

Been thinking it over for a while, but I have to agree with Realdealblues; without more info regarding the ground rules it's an impossible descision. There's so much disparity in the strengths and weaknesses of these three groups in films, never mind in literature and folklore and mythology, that the question could be settled in favour of any group depending on what attributes you choose to give them.

Having said that, for me it's a toss-up between vampires and werewolves. My initial reaction is to vote for vampires, but I think that's just bias because I'd far rather be one than a werewolf. Vote pending, awaiting more data :-)

*Edit - Your post popped up while I was writing mine V. Processing...

[Straker]

Zombies always win in the end....

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[realdealblues]

Zombies - Mindless, hungry abominations whose numbers can be pretty overwhelming. Individuals, well, you can kick their asses.
Strength in numbers.
Vulnerability = brain damage, otherwise ripped to pieces.

Werewolves - Kick a mean punch when transformed, with claws, teeth and muscle. When not transformed, a completely different creature. Full moon best suited, otherwise...?
Strength in strength, but (ONLY) when transformed. Out of transformation, maybe thinking, but not as cunning as the vampires.
Vulnerability = silver bullets, pretty easy fodder when out of transformation.

Vampires - Can use the night to their overwhelming advantage, intelligence, ability to think and chalk out strategies/plans, transform into bats, rats, fog, wind, can cause mass hypnosis, can cause damage during day time too IF they are not sleeping AND dodge the sunlight.
Strength in mind power, rational thinking, all of the above.
Vulnerability = sunlight, crosses/holy water, stakes driven through heart, might need to doze during day.

Even in a few numbers, I think the guys in cloaks with sharp canine teeth hold the aces here, even when facing werewolves in thousands, and zombies in millions.

I have to go against the flow. Vampires for me.

I think you gave the vamps an unfair advantage there.

I guess Vamps to me are only as smart as their human counterpart was before being turned. Same goes for the Wolves. I don't think becoming a Vampire automatically makes you "cunning" or "rational". Your senses will be heightened and you have new abilities but (in my mind at least) you don't automatically know the "Art Of War" just because your "sire" read the book.

Same for Werewolves, Lucian from Underworld wasn't a dumb Werewolf, he was pretty much smarter than all the Vamps. Same in lots of other movies. They may dumb down or become more animal like in The Wolf Man, but Lawrence Talbot was still an intelligent human being when out of transformation.

Going by your criteria V, I would give the edge to Vampires.

But if there are 10 Vampires in the center of a battlefield surrounded by 1 million fast vicious zombies in the style of WWZ. I'd take the Zombies.

[Sicknero]

Given that a vampire can conceivably live for many centuries, I'd have to argue that some degree of intelligence, or at least some enhanced common sense, woud be a result of that. Whereas afaik werewolves have no such extra time.

Having said that though, there have been some famously stupid/slow vampires in modern culture. Or even the vampire-with-a-conscience would arguably be less of a threat in this final battle.

Numbers is another thing yes... 10 vs. 1 million indeed but that's somewhat arbitrary. I'm thinking for instance of the Matheson novel where vampires are definitely in the majority.

[Sculpt]

Vampires. Mind over brawn every time.

Just because vampires can't go into the sunlight, doesn't mean they can't protect themselves during the day in their own defensive bunkers. Assuming vamps have to sleep, they just setup shifts. Any defenses humans have today, the vampires would have. Defensive positions usually have the advantage over the attacker.

As far as 'human blood' goes, depends on what "rules" you want to setup. If the vampires are alive now, you have to assume they have a supply -- it's either synthesized blood producing machines, or they slowly drain blood from captured werewolves. Of course bodies produce new blood cells, and vamps only drain enough to keep everyone alive.

Zombies vs vampires - vampires have all kinds of guns.

Werewolves vs vampires - vampires have silver tipped bullets in their semi-automatic weapons. Plus when human werewolves change into werewolves, it's generally accepted their intelligence is greatly diminished. Vampires with body amour, nightvision, silver-bullet semi-automatic weapons combined with human intelligence would have a huge advantage.

Vamps wouldn't even need it, but V also accepts vamps have the power to turn into fog. A weaponless vamp could be surrounded by 20 werewolves, and simple turn into fog and escape.

[_____V_____]

I think you gave the vamps an unfair advantage there.

Not taking any sides here. I am being completely impartial. Notice that I pointed out more vulnerabilities for vampires than for the other two.

Vamps wouldn't even need it, but V also gives vamps the power to turn into fog. A weaponless vamp could be surrounded by 20 werewolves, and simple turn into fog and escape.

I am not giving anyone anything - just going by the folklore and the facts established by fiction and celluloid.

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Consider a few scenarios -

A huge crowd of zombies, like for example in millions, can definitely overwhelm even a pack of werewolves. The werewolves will simply keep fighting (they are mindless killing machines, much like the Aliens) until they are overwhelmed, but they have nowhere to go. They have no means to escape (do they want to escape from a fight anyway?)
The werewolf (or werewolves) can fight hundreds, maybe thousands of zombies, but millions? Eventually they will be overwhelmed.

But the vampire can turn into mist, a swarm of rats, a bat, plus it has the power of mass hypnosis as well. Thing is, does hypnosis work on zombies? They are brain dead, after all.
So, in the end, if nothing works, the vampire will transform into a bat and simply fly away. +1 to the vampire here.

One more thing. Anyone who has read the Dracula novel will know this - vampires don't keep their bodies in easy-to-reach crypts for people to simply walk in with stakes or swords (like they incorrectly showed in many films, specially the Hammer ones). The Count himself had to traverse the walls of his castle to reach the hitherto (unreachable) place. Jonathan Harker nearly died going through the same route to reach the vampire's lair.

The werewolf could be equally cunning/smart when out of transformation, but vulnerable as hell in it's human form. The vampire isn't human at any part of it's undead cycle (it's vulnerable in it's napping time in it's tomb but not human), something which the werewolves and zombies can't shake off. But yes, it is susceptible to being decapitated by a werewolf (or a super-strong zombie) but unless you pour garlic into it's severed head, it won't die.

I guess the argument here would be this - who will be the first in figuring out the other's vulnerability? Will the werewolves know that staking a vampire will stop it? Will the vampires know that werewolves are susceptible to silver bullets?

Taking nothing away from the zombies here. A million zombies are more than a handful any day - even over a pack of werewolves or a coven of vampires.

So many points to ponder here.

[_____V_____]

What would happen if a werewolf bit a zombie?

Will the bite affect the putrified blood in the dry veins of the undead abomination? If yes, will the zombie turn into a zombwolf during full moon?

[hammerfan]

What would happen if a werewolf bit a zombie?

Will the bite affect the putrified blood in the dry veins of the undead abomination? If yes, will the zombie turn into a zombwolf during full moon?

I don't think a werewolf WOULD bite a zombie, it's not fresh blood.

[MichaelMyers]

I don't think a werewolf WOULD bite a zombie, it's not fresh blood.

I don't want to live in a world where werewolves are made to hunt zombies.

[Sicknero]

What would happen if a werewolf bit a zombie?

Will the bite affect the putrified blood in the dry veins of the undead abomination? If yes, will the zombie turn into a zombwolf during full moon?

Now that's something I'd like to see. (From a safe distance...)

I don't think a werewolf WOULD bite a zombie, it's not fresh blood.

Does it have to be fresh blood for werewolves..? Just thinking that in the wild, wolves are scavengers as well as hunters.

[metternich1815]

I voted for vampires because I figure one they are likely to have a lot of experience because they have probably lived a long while and they also have the "brains" so to speak.

[Sicknero]

I voted for vampires because I figure one they are likely to have a lot of experience because they have probably lived a long while and they also have the "brains" so to speak.

And we all know what zombies love to eat :-D

[Giganticface]

I think zombies would eventually win, but it would take a long time.

1. Zombies vs. werewolves:

Werewolves don't hunt and kill for self defense, they do so for carnal reasons, and I can't see them hunting zombies. Zombies, on the other hand are just looking to kill the living, and werewolves are living. Werewolf brain might be just as good as human brain to a zombie. I believe a zombie bite on a werewolf would infect the werewolf and cause it to become a zombie. However, werewolves are essentially humans for most of the time, so they will be aware of the need for self-defense and survive a long time. It's actually when they become werewolves that they would be most susceptible due to their lack of lucidity. They are also susceptible while in human form, just like any other human.

So, zombies beat werewolves.



3. Zombies vs. vampires:

Vampires would also be aware of the need for self-defense, and would survive a long time. It's questionable whether zombies would hunt vampires because vampires are already dead, however, I believe a vampire brain would be edible, if not delicious, to a zombie. Even if it isn't edible, I believe a zombie would be attracted to blindly killing vampires because vampires appear to be living humans. I know that a vampire is supposed to get a stake through the heart to be killed, but wouldn't cracking their head open and eating their brains also do the trick?

The vampires' Achilles heel is that they can't go out in the daylight, and need to sleep during the day. This would leave them susceptible to both zombies and werewolves. Vampires would have success against the zombies at night, but would slowly be killed in their own coffins during the day.

So, zombies beat vampires.


2. Vampires vs. werewolves:

Werewolves might hunt vampires, depending on whether or not killing a vampire would satisfy their carnal desire, however I'd be surprised if biting an undead vampire would turn the vampire into a werewolf. On the other hand, I would vote that a vampire could turn a werewolf into a vampire since it involves essentially killing the living being and turning them into the undead. A vampire would be attracted to the werewolf's blood, since it's a living being, especially when the werewolf is in human form. So, I believe the vampire "monster" has an edge over the werewolf "monster." However, the key in this fight is that both vampires and werewolves have human minds (at least most of the time) and would understand that they are at war with each other. I think it's a wash -- essentially human vs. human.

So, vampires vs werewolves is a toss-up, and simply deplete each other's numbers.



In short, I believe zombies slowly beat both vampires and werewolves.

[Sculpt]

Gigan got me thinking...

What if a zombie infected a all the ant colonies of the world? What if vampires infect mosquitoes? What if a werewolf infected a Blue whale?

[Sicknero]

Gigan got me thinking...

What if a zombie infected a all the ant colonies of the world? What if vampires infect mosquitoes? What if a werewolf infected a Blue whale?

1. Would anybody notice?

2. It might be a buzz.

3. I wouldn't go swimming on a full moon.

[Sculpt]

1. Would anybody notice? lol That was good!

Oh yes, my friend, you would notice... Ants make up about 20% of the terrestrial biomass (10 quadrillion ants). If they all became zombified, and went out to kill every living thing, you wouldn't have the luxury of worrying about human zombies. There wouldn't be a bunker safe from ants.

You'd have to leave dry land and try to live in an ocean bioshere. Where you'd get crushed by the 100 foot (30 meters) long, 170 ton werewolf blue whale.

[Giganticface]

^^ Somebody needs to make that movie. :)