Satanism

[Dara]

I much prefer satanic cults .Works for me.

[wizard of gore]

I much prefer satanic cults .Works for me.

is satanic cults a tool ?

[Dara]

is satanic cults a tool ?a tool of the devil...so yes!

[wizard of gore]

well a suicide bomber would be the scariest tool..the tool of a religious cult

[wizard of gore]

satanic cults got lots of tools

in that case a human(gods tool)...they got just about all the tools

[Bob Gray]

a tool of the devil...so yes!

Uh... listen, I hate to burst anyone's bubble but there are two different kinds of Satanism. There is Theistic Satanism and then there is LeVeyan Satanism, this latter kind of Satanist actually doesn't believe in or worship the devil at all but rather worship themselves, their teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality. They use "Satan" as a symbol of carnality and earthly values, of man's inherent nature, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be permeated and motivated by a force that has been given many names by man over the course of time. When you're talking about cults, it is more appropriate to say devil-worshiping cults rather than Satanic cults to alleviate any confusion.

[Dara]

Uh... listen, I hate to burst anyone's bubble but there are two different kinds of Satanism. There is Theistic Satanism and then there is LeVeyan Satanism, this latter kind of Satanist actually doesn't believe in or worship the devil at all but rather worship themselves, their teachings are based on individualism, self-control and "eye for an eye" morality. They use "Satan" as a symbol of carnality and earthly values, of man's inherent nature, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be permeated and motivated by a force that has been given many names by man over the course of time. When you're talking about cults, it is more appropriate to say devil-worshiping cults rather than Satanic cults to alleviate any confusion.
....ok bud

[Bob Gray]

....ok bud

Yeah, sometimes I feel the need to spew out useless information, just thought some of you might find it interesting.

[wizard of gore]

Yeah, sometimes I feel the need to spew out useless information, just thought some of you might find it interesting.

i find it interesting, levayen stanisim is a good way to be,but it shouldnt be refferd to as satanisim though.

[Dara]

Yeah, sometimes
I feel the need to spew out useless information, just thought some of you might find it interesting.I did ,youre very articulate .I was just thinking of rosemarys baby where the hoard of old people are chanting 'hail Satan !'classic tool of horror

[Bob Gray]

yeah, this second one is nothing but a bunch of hipsters in my opinion. "omg i got membership in the church of satan, it's soo cooool"...fuckers, spoil all good ideas

I wouldn't say they are hipsters. Hipsters in my book are people who hate ALL mainstream things because they think it's cool to hate them. Satanists consider themselves adversaries of mainstream religious practices and behaviour which they define as "herd conformity", seeing it as stifling to individuality, creativity, and progress. Satanism is really just another religion except they don't believe in God or the devil. Here are some of their ideas:

The Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm young children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

The Nine Satanic Sins

1. Stupidity
2. Pretentiousness
3. Solipsism (I had to look this one up, it means the extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.)
4. Self-deceit
5. Herd Conformity
6. Lack of Perspective
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies (something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package and used to brainwash people into accepting something as new and different when really it is not)
8. Counterproductive Pride
9. Lack of Aesthetics

Keep in mind, this is all coming from Wikipedia. My Satanic Bible and Verses is packed away in a box somewhere so I'm going off of memory and wiki.

[Atraxi]

Keep in mind, this is all coming from Wikipedia. My Satanic Bible and Verses is packed away in a box somewhere so I'm going off of memory and wiki.

I have mine sitting in my library if you'd like me to look anything up for reference.

I have:
-The Satanic Bible
-The Satanic Witch
-The Satanic Rituals
-The Devil's Notebook
-The Secret Life of a Satanist (LaVey's biography)

[Bob Gray]

I have mine sitting in my library if you'd like me to look anything up for reference.

I have:
-The Satanic Bible
-The Satanic Witch
-The Satanic Rituals
-The Devil's Notebook
-The Secret Life of a Satanist (LaVey's biography)

I have the Satanic Bible and Rituals.

[Atraxi]

I have the Satanic Bible and Rituals.

Is Rituals by LaVey or Gilmore? I have the one by LaVey but I think Gilmore wrote a follow up. I'll have to go back and look.

Back on point- there's nothing scary about LaVeyan Satanism and if you're not convinced, watch Satanis: The Devils Mass (http://www.amazon.com/Satanis-Devils-Mass-Sinthia-Special/dp/B000093NSP/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1345079931&sr=1-1&keywords=satanis+the+devil%27s+mass).

[Bob Gray]

Is Rituals by LaVey or Gilmore? I have the one by LaVey but I think Gilmore wrote a follow up. I'll have to go back and look.

Back on point- there's nothing scary about LaVeyan Satanism and if you're not convinced, watch Satanis: The Devils Mass (http://www.amazon.com/Satanis-Devils-Mass-Sinthia-Special/dp/B000093NSP/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1345079931&sr=1-1&keywords=satanis+the+devil%27s+mass).

I agree, they're pretty regular people really.

[Bob Gray]

i don't really care how to call them, but satanism is not mainstream. there are 6 main religions and satanism is not one of them. so it's not mainstream.
and my point is, they shouldn't call "satanism" something that has nothing to do with it. satanism is just a cool word that attracts hipsters and other junk. if they'd call it laveyism, who would care? no one

Who cares about mainstream religions? Who cares if you think they shouldn't be called satanism? So what, I spouted out some useless info, you don't like it, I don't care.

[Dara]

I wouldn't say they are hipsters. Hipsters in my book are people who hate ALL mainstream things because they think it's cool to hate them. Satanists consider themselves adversaries of mainstream religious practices and behaviour which they define as "herd conformity", seeing it as stifling to individuality, creativity, and progress. Satanism is really just another religion except they don't believe in God or the devil. Here are some of their ideas:

The Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm young children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

The Nine Satanic Sins

1. Stupidity
2. Pretentiousness
3. Solipsism (I had to look this one up, it means the extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.)
4. Self-deceit
5. Herd Conformity
6. Lack of Perspective
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies (something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package and used to brainwash people into accepting something as new and different when really it is not)
8. Counterproductive Pride
9. Lack of Aesthetics

Keep in mind, this is all coming from Wikipedia. My Satanic Bible and Verses is packed away in a box somewhere so I'm going off of memory and wiki.So basically when im in the Asda shopping and people stop in the middle of the aisles to talk im allowed to destroy them because they are 'bothering' me?(if of course ive asked them to move first..naturally! ~cooool!

[Bob Gray]

So basically when im in the Asda shopping and people stop in the middle of the aisles to talk im allowed to destroy them because they are 'bothering' me?(if of course ive asked them to move first..naturally! ~cooool!

I don't think they mean you should actually physically destroy them, I think and don't quote me on this, that they are speaking about verbally destroying them. Tear them down emotionally so they that maybe they will think about what they are doing or saying the next time instead. I've met a few Satanists and they've always been very cool and respectful of most people, they just have little tolerance for the loud-mouthed know-it-alls who think they are the only people who matter.

[wizard of gore]

loud-mouthed know-it-alls who think they are the only people who matter.

like the sound of that,theres soo many of them too

[Atraxi]

So basically when im in the Asda shopping and people stop in the middle of the aisles to talk im allowed to destroy them because they are 'bothering' me?(if of course ive asked them to move first..naturally! ~cooool!

Essentially, just have a backbone.

Most people will move if you ask politely but there's always going to be someone who feels entitled to something that they shouldn't and will act like an ass towards you. Start off polite and if that doesn't work- less tact, more truth.

[Atraxi]

well, everyone has their own "truth". what if they'll just answer you the same way? which they usually do. so you'll end up looking like 2 dumb chicks in a mall squealing at each other. no good

It doesn't seem like you understand my statement. Nor Bob Gray's. I think further explanations and discussions will go over your head as well so I don't really so a point in continuing this.

[Fearonsarms]

yeah, this second one is nothing but a bunch of hipsters in my opinion. "omg i got membership in the church of satan, it's soo cooool"...fuckers, spoil all good ideas

I actually met a girl once in a pub who was wearing a satan-depicting t-shirt with something like Hail Satan on it so I asked her if she was a satanist-to my horror she replied and I quote "No I'm only wearing it to get attention".......I got into trouble by telling her she should be taken outside and shot so she started bitching about me to the rest of the pub and I was made out to be the villain of the exchange!

[wizard of gore]

I actually met a girl once in a pub who was wearing a satan-depicting t-shirt with something like Hail Satan on it so I asked her if she was a satanist-to my horror she replied and I quote "No I'm only wearing it to get attention".......I got into trouble by telling her she should be taken outside and shot so she started bitching about me to the rest of the pub and I was made out to be the villain of the exchange!

fair enough,she can do and wear what she wants to get attention ,its just as offending to some people as a "jesus saves" t shirt,no need to go tell her to outside to get shot..shheeesh!

[wizard of gore]

holy fuckin shit, how drunk were you? :D i wouldn't go to pub with you, you'd get everybody in trouble

or a jab in the face

[Angra]

I actually met a girl once in a pub who was wearing a satan-depictingshirt with something like Hail Satan on it so I asked her if she was a satanist-to my horror she replied and I quote "No I'm only wearing it to get attention".......I got into trouble by telling her she should be taken outside and shot so she started bitching about me to the rest of the pub and I was made out to be the villain of the exchange! you sound sensitive. Or worse, you sound christian. i own 2 t shirts with the devil on them sayin "god i busy. Can i help you". Should i be shot as well? I find then hilarious.

[Elvis_Christ]

http://www.wordans.com/wvc-1329902723/wordansfiles/product_previews/2012/2/22/5208/5208_650.jpg

Haha that would make a pretty cool shirt

[Bob Gray]

i've heard it many times before from the members of other religions. it's interesting how your mind changes once you start to "believe" in something=) tolerance for any other opinion just vanished away. perfect zombifying strategy.
anyway, it was nice talkin to you.

Understand something, I am not a Satanist in any way, I am more along the lines of an atheist. Before you say that atheism is a religion too I will save you from that mistake. Atheism, which is about not believing in god(s), and theism, which is about believing in god(s), are philosophical or theological points of view, but they are not religions.

[Atraxi]

Also making it clear that I am not a Satanist either. Just an Atheist.

[Angra]

you sound sensitive. Or worse, you sound christian. i own 2 t shirts with the devil on them sayin "god iS busy. Can i help you". Should i be shot as well? I find theM hilarious.


Damn.. i didn't spell very well that day, did i? Damn cell phone..

[Angra]

http://www.wordans.com/wvc-1329902723/wordansfiles/product_previews/2012/2/22/5208/5208_650.jpg

Haha that would make a pretty cool shirt


Indeed.

Especially fun to wear if you work in a shop or with some kind of customer service.

[Dara]

Indeed.

Especially fun to wear if you work in a shop or with some kind of customer service.I work in a Church Of England school.Maybe I should get one?? !!They think im a pagan(so therefore worship the devil in their eyes ) as I paint massive murals and have pink hair.(Thats how they can spot you!)~I get put in the art cupboard when The Church governors come to look round! hahah

[Bob Gray]

lavey's satanism is nothing but a sect with a set of specific rules and principles, which you belive in and were listing earlier. and all i was saying that, in my opinion, they are using a wrong name for it because it has nothing to do with satan. you say you're not a satanist and you are right, you just like this sect, that's all.

I don't see how they could be using the wrong name, Satan just means "the opposer" (which can also be a human) and that is what they do, oppose the belief in supernatural beings. It's not a sect in the fact that it isn't breaking off from another religion or belief system. I do think it is an interesting belief system.

[wizard of gore]

, Satan just means "the opposer .

really!i thought it was a name used in the bible ,the name of an angel that decided to do what he wants,and was the opposer to god?

[Bob Gray]

really!i thought it was a name used in the bible ,the name of an angel that decided to do what he wants,and was the opposer to god?

It is from the Hebrew Bible but it is not the name of an angel, it is a title that means "the opposer or the adversary", so Satanists are correct in using that term in describing themselves. They oppose or are the adversaries of the beliefs of those who worship and believe in a divine being.

[Bob Gray]

i agree with wizard on "satan" question. satanism is a religion where people worship the satan (in oppose to worshiping the god). everything else is not a correct name use.
i think that lavey's organisation is a sect because:
1. they break from the regular belief system (regular belief system doesn't say if they piss you off - destroy them). in regular belief system you'll go to jail for that.
2. they have a set of rules and "sins" like any other religion does.
3. they have a Satanic Bible
4. they've got a Church of Satan (membership fee - 200$:D)
yeaah, i think it's a sect

also, if they oppose the belief in supernatural things, there's already a word for that - atheism

Well, all I can tell you is that you'd be wrong in calling them a sect. They didn't break off from another religion, it just changed its name from The Order of the Trapezoid to the Church of Satan, therefore they can't be a sect. As far as the membership goes, yes there are what is called active members who pay money to it, there are also registered members who do not pay nor are there any requirements to achieve this position. I do agree with you that they are a religion which is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values. LaVeyan Satanism does not involve the literal worship of any being other than the self, so you'd be wrong in saying that they worship the satan.

[Bob Gray]

i've never said that they worship satan. in fact, if they would do that, i'd had nothing against the name "satanism". in my opinion, they broke off from the traditional theistic satanism, two of them have very similar values. individualism and personal developement is a huge part of traditional satanism as well. so, they took the name and values, added some more stuff and made satan a symbolic figure.
and to become a registered member you do have to pay 200$
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Affiliation.html

this discussion makes me wanna watch some good bloody disgusting movie about satanic rituals, burning witches, and baby sacrifices:D and to tie it up to the thread topic, those would make an excellent set of scary tools
fuck yeaah!
http://satanicmagic.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/unknown-1.png

They didn't break off from Theistic Satanism at, they draw influences from the rituals and ceremonies of occultist Aleister Crowley and the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand. Your point about them worshiping "satan" is invalid in that "satan" isn't the name of the being but is instead a title and that is how they are using it. There are many religions that use similar philosophies and beliefs but are obviously separate from one another. I haven't checked lately but only the active members use to have to pay, I see that has changed.

[Bob Gray]

where did i say that they worship satan?

I worded that wrong, I didn't mean that you were saying they worshiped satan, I was saying that just because they don't worship the devil doesn't mean that they can't use the term satanism because "satan" isn't the name of an entity, just a title that means "opposer". It is completely reasonable for them to call themselves satanists which just means "opposers of belief in the divine". They are also different from atheists in that they have set beliefs, guidelines, and practice magic. Atheists do none of those things.

You have the right to not like them for whatever reason you deem fit, I'm just keeping the facts straight.

[wizard of gore]

i just put a voodoo curse on both of you

[Bob Gray]

yeah, "magic" is another point of my concern. they say that they practice magic, but they under magic they mean some psychological stuff and deny the existence of a magic in common sense of that word.
it's like "yeah i'm a satanist, but there is no satan. i practice magic, yet there is no magic"...i might be simple minded, but i start to think right away "hey, get your shit together and call things by their right names"


shut up:D

Practicing magic and believing in a supernatural being are two different things.

[Bob Gray]

supernatural is something that cannot be explained according to the natural laws. soo, i always thought that magic is the part of supernatural. it's not the normal part of our lives, that's for sure. and magic, in common meaning of this word, always involves using supernatural forces in order to reach certain goal.

Magic is paranormal, not supernatural, paranormal means phenomena understood to be outside of science's current ability to explain or measure. Supernatural means pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural or attributed to God or a deity. LeVeyan Satanists practice two broadly distinguished kinds of magic: Lesser Magic which is a system of manipulation that incorporates one or more of three main psychological themes: sex, sentiment, and wonder. Greater Magic involves ritual and ceremony in order to focus one's emotional energy for a specific purpose.

I'm done arguing now, you don't like LaVeyan Satanists, I'm neutral towards them, end of story.

[Bob Gray]

so laveyan satanism involves believe in paranormal?

They practice magic which is paranormal and they believe their magic works. Ghosts, extraterrestrial life and unidentified flying objects, and cryptids are also paranormal. People believe there is an explanation but science has yet to find them.

[Bob Gray]

ghosts are supposed to be the souls of the dead people, aren't they? in my understanding soul would rather be supernatural thing than paranormal.

Traditionally yes, most believe ghosts to be the spirits of the dead, but there are many who also believe in other explanations such as alternate universes, poltergeist activity, or what is called a residual haunting which is when something traumatic or stressful occurs, such as a murder or a rape and that negative energy is literally blasted into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to imprint or record the events and like a recording tape, it will play the events over and over again.

I never said that Satanists believe in ghosts anyway, I only brought them up to give examples of paranormal activity.

[Fearonsarms]

you sound sensitive. Or worse, you sound christian. i own 2 t shirts with the devil on them sayin "god i busy. Can i help you". Should i be shot as well? I find then hilarious.

LOL all I'll say is I'm no christian never have been and never will

[Fearonsarms]

holy fuckin shit, how drunk were you? :D i wouldn't go to pub with you, you'd get everybody in trouble

LOL I was far too drunk-this is why I avoid alcohol nowadays-I get into too much trouble cos me and alcohol don't mix well.