Prometheus - reviews, discussion and BD/DVD release **WARNING - SPOILER-HEAVY**

[Posher778]

Don't read if you haven't seen (spoilers)




I hardly ever give full reviews on movies. I'm choosing to review this one because I feel like it deserves it more than anything i've seen in years. I also think it deserves attention because some people are saying it was horrible. There are opinions, and then there is stupidity. Prometheus was awesome, and people who thought it was bad are either: A- Stupid, B- expected xenomorphs (which it was made very clear that they would not be prevalent in this film), or C- just went to see Charlize Theron take off her space suit. That said, here goes.


I saw it in Imax 3d, and I paid 17 big ones for my ticket. Well worth it. Every single camera shot in the film is pure, heartbreaking gold. It makes Avatar look like something i'd draw in high school art class (I have pics of some of my paintings of stick figure fish if you need documentation). Every landscape is magnificent, and there is a careful attention to detail which really reels you in to the movie. The story starts quickly, and almost immediately you're completely entranced by every little event. I found myself wide eyed at costumes, colors.... everything. The ship looked incredible on the inside. So, in short, it's pretty.

The unfolding story is a little hit or miss for some. I personally enjoyed it even though it wasn't how I wanted it to happen. I wished some of the details were different, but i'm sure that's a common thought for any movie. Regardless, things play out nicely. Ridley Scott is one of the only directors I respect for slow moving films. I love Alien for the fact that it takes a decade to get to the scary stuff. Prometheus is no different. Tension, questions, and plenty of character development to go around. When the ball finally does drop, however, let's just say one of the most intense scenes from any sci fi or horror film ever occurs, in my opinion.

In general, the acting was impressive. However, Noomi Rapace surprised me on a new level with how great she was. I'll admit, for the first few scenes she bothered me. She was too comfortable with the situations, almost like she didn't care. Found some paintings? Oh let's go to space! What could go wrong? She makes up for it when things get intense, for sure.

Ok now for the fun stuff. There aren't too many "monsters" per say, but what we do get to see is satisfying, especially to Alien fanboys, because we get to see other lifeforms in the Alien universe, and they're pretty neat. The serpents are on the same level of creepy as the facehuggers, just in a different way (it's gross.) and there's a lovely thing I like to call a belly squid :)

Some people complain about the ending being too much of a sequel setup, and it is. I didn't have a problem with it so much, although I feel like the film could stand alone fine with that ending. Very odd and mysterious. I really enjoyed the last 15 minutes as well.

The only problems I really found with the movie were a good bit of unanswered questions (some i'm sure could be answered at least slightly with more viewings) and the behavior of many characters was very unrealistic. Total lack of fear and concern with what was clearly a very major situation.


All in all, it was incredible.

9/10



*Sorry, like I said I don't write reviews. I also don't care for good grammar and writing style at 2:30 am, I just felt like starting a discussion.

[newb]

thanks for posting this Posh...but I ain't gonna read it until after I see the movie



nothing personal

[Ferox13]

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[fortunato]

I guess I'll post my review since no one else has:

I'll keep it short, given the many solid reviews up already. I tend more toward Ferret's review of the film. Beyond the visuals, which were absolutely brilliant and endlessly breathtaking, I was left feeling mostly underwhelmed. I thought the script was pretty weak. For a film dealing with the eternal vastness of space and the origins of humanity, it didn't feel very epic to me at all. The motivations behind the humans' mission and those of the space jockey and the arsenal of black goo all felt flat and thrown together.
That being said, between the visuals and effects and sets and acting, there was certainly enough to keep me engrossed for 2 hours. And I'll definitely go see the next one.

[Posher778]

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LOL both of those guys were fucking idiots.

[Angra]

LOL both of those guys were fucking idiots.

Especially THAT idiot.

Wtf was his problem? He was just pissed off from the get-go.

[fortunato]

Especially THAT idiot.

Wtf was his problem? He was just pissed off from the get-go.

Haha, no kidding. He should have been constantly in awe of this fucking crazy planet they were on instead of just being immediately pissy.

[Ferox13]

And the I normally like that actor a lot (The Borgias/Red Riding/Isolation /24 Hour Party People etc)

[Fearonsarms]

And the I normally like that actor a lot (The Borgias/Red Riding/Isolation /24 Hour Party People etc)

I agree I liked him in 24 Hour Party People not seen Prometheus yet though.

[_____V_____]

Hijacking this thread for a discussion on the events in Prometheus, instead of creating a new one. Hope you don't mind, Posher.

If you have a query, doubt or an unsolved riddle regarding the film, post it here. If you haven't guessed it already, Prometheus exists in the Alien universe but it isn't directly related to 1979's Alien - you can say it is a spinoff based on the same.

We shall attempt to find the answers with our comparative knowledge of the Alien universe and Scott's visions for the Prometheus trilogy concept he is busy working on.

Rumors have it that Prometheus 2 will be with us sooner than we expect, by summer 2015. Scott will produce this time, with a "visionary" director helming the director's chair. Take this rumor with a pinch of salt - Scott wants Jodorowsky to helm the sequel, since he's so strong with symbolic visual representation in his works (Santa Sangre, El Topo, The Holy Mountain, etc.)

So, if you have a query regarding the film and it's narrative, post it.

[Ferox13]

If you have a query, doubt or an unsolved riddle regarding the film, post it here.

Why did the 'Space Jockey' DNA match human dna 100%, would that not make them..well...human?

SO the 'Space Jockeys' seeded Earth and then left clues for their creations to find them but those clues lead to what I think was so bio-weapon facility. Weird.

Also, why did they do all this only to want to destroy it in the end?

Some of the things I couldn't figure out. There are also other bits I found strange/silly or illogical but they aren't really plot questions.

[_____V_____]

Why did the 'Space Jockey' DNA match human dna 100%, would that not make them..well...human?

Basically, the humans are also engineered from the Space Jockeys' DNA, or Engineers as they are called in Prometheus, as one of their milder creations. They were planted on Earth and left to flourish, with periodic visits from the Engineers to Earth keeping a tab on their progress. Which explains the maps by different civilisations at different points of time in history pointing to the same star map - a star map undoubtedly left by the Engineers.

SO the 'Space Jockeys' seeded Earth and then left clues for their creations to find them but those clues lead to what I think was so bio-weapon facility. Weird.

Bang on.

Planet LV-223 is a testing ground for the Engineers and their bio-weapons. The planet's pyramid was full of such bio-weapons, some of them resultants from experiments gone so awry that even the Engineers had to flee the scenes (as deduced from one of the chase sequences). The Hammerpede is one such example, the gooey, sticky stuff inside the egg-sized containers is another, etc.

The Engineers undoubtedly didn't want to leave a direct clue to their location - humans had to find them out from the ships they left underground in LV-223. That is, if humans were tough enough to survive inside the pyramid till they found the spaceship entrance inside them. Like it was shown in the end, the whole planet has several other ships underground. Any such ship had maps and directions to reach the Engineers' home planet.

Also, why did they do all this only to want to destroy it in the end?

They didn't want to destroy it all. They planted these bio-weapons and kept testing them further. The opening sequence is that of an Engineer who:-

A) Volunteered to be a subject for the sticky substance bio-weapon testing,

OR

B) Someone who raised their voice on the continuous production of bio-weapons and, as a result, was cast out and punished by making them forcefully feed themselves with the sticky stuff.

A sequence which might be more clearer in part 2.

Some of the things I couldn't figure out. There are also other bits I found strange/silly or illogical but they aren't really plot questions.

Go ahead and post them. Others might also have the same doubts and they can be clarified for everyone's benefits.

That's the beauty of Prometheus. It leaves you with questions and makes you think.

[Posher778]

Basically, the humans are also engineered from the Space Jockeys' DNA, or Engineers as they are called in Prometheus, as one of their milder creations. They were planted on Earth and left to flourish, with periodic visits from the Engineers to Earth keeping a tab on their progress. Which explains the maps by different civilisations at different points of time in history pointing to the same star map - a star map undoubtedly left by the Engineers.



Bang on.

Planet LV-223 is a testing ground for the Engineers and their bio-weapons. The planet's pyramid was full of such bio-weapons, some of them resultants from experiments gone so awry that even the Engineers had to flee the scenes (as deduced from one of the chase sequences). The Hammerpede is one such example, the gooey, sticky stuff inside the egg-sized containers is another, etc.

The Engineers undoubtedly didn't want to leave a direct clue to their location - humans had to find them out from the ships they left underground in LV-223. That is, if humans were tough enough to survive inside the pyramid till they found the spaceship entrance inside them. Like it was shown in the end, the whole planet has several other ships underground. Any such ship had maps and directions to reach the Engineers' home planet.



They didn't want to destroy it all. They planted these bio-weapons and kept testing them further. The opening sequence is that of an Engineer who:-

A) Volunteered to be a subject for the sticky substance bio-weapon testing,

OR

B) Someone who raised their voice on the continuous production of bio-weapons and, as a result, was cast out and punished by making them forcefully feed themselves with the sticky stuff.

A sequence which might be more clearer in part 2.



Go ahead and post them. Others might also have the same doubts and they can be clarified for everyone's benefits.

That's the beauty of Prometheus. It leaves you with questions and makes you think.

I definitely thought when he drank the stuff at the beginning that it was how they created humans in the first place. Like he gave himself up to make a new race. I may have been a little tipsy at the start though.

[The Villain]

I definitely thought when he drank the stuff at the beginning that it was how they created humans in the first place. Like he gave himself up to make a new race. I may have been a little tipsy at the start though.

Thats what i thought too

[Ferox13]

Basically, the humans are also engineered from the Space Jockeys' DNA, or Engineers as they are called in Prometheus, as one of their milder creations. They were planted on Earth and left to flourish, with periodic visits from the Engineers to Earth keeping a tab on their progress.

No I get that - what i meant that the DNA was a 100% match not a partial match - humanity had evolved/'mutated' from their initial seeding. So human DNA would only have elements of the Space Jockeys' DNA and would not be excalty the same.



They didn't want to destroy it all. They planted these bio-weapons and kept testing them further. The opening sequence is that of an Engineer who:-.

I presumed the ship laden with bioweapons was on its way to destroy Earth. Thats why Shaw wanted to sacrifice the Prometheus.



The opening sequence is that of an Engineer who:-

A) Volunteered to be a subject for the sticky substance bio-weapon testing,

OR

B) Someone who raised their voice on the continuous production of bio-weapons and, as a result, was cast out and punished by making them forcefully feed themselves with the sticky stuff.

A sequence which might be more clearer in part 2.
.

I have to disagree with this. I thing the opening sequence was a flashback to the Space Jockey who was allocated to seed Earth. I think it was a reference to religion and a God that died for his creations. (I think Poser said something similar)

I'll post some of my more nitpicky things later.

[roshiq]

Rumors have it that Prometheus 2 will be with us sooner than we expect, by summer 2015. Scott will produce this time, with a "visionary" director helming the director's chair. Take this rumor with a pinch of salt - Scott wants Jodorowsky to helm the sequel, since he's so strong with symbolic visual representation in his works (Santa Sangre, El Topo, The Holy Mountain, etc.)


Hummm....I don't think Jodorowsky will be a good choice for this sort of franchise; things will get more complicated with lots of confusing boring sequences.

[_____V_____]

I definitely thought when he drank the stuff at the beginning that it was how they created humans in the first place. Like he gave himself up to make a new race. I may have been a little tipsy at the start though.

I have to disagree with this. I thing the opening sequence was a flashback to the Space Jockey who was allocated to seed Earth. I think it was a reference to religion and a God that died for his creations. (I think Poser said something similar)

I thought so as well, specially with the whole DNA bursting sequence culminating in the formation of a red cell (RBC?) which quickly started multiplying inside the water (first 2, then 4...).

Then, that whole sequence with David mixing the same sticky substance with Holloway's drink which resulted in him going awry (and his love-making with Shaw resulting in the rapid formation and development of the squid baby, leading up to the self-surgery sequence) and mutating into something which deteriorated his condition so badly he basically brought his own death to himself (by getting burnt by Vicker's flamethrower) - this threw a spanner into the works.

If this was the same substance which resulted in the formation and development of RBCs, why did it cause such rapid mutation in Holloway and that uber-quick pregnancy of Shaw? If it was the percursor to the RBCs, Holloway shouldn't have been affected. If affected, he should have mutated into...another human?

If it turns out to be the former (both substances are separate), I stand corrected. If the latter (both are the same), then I guess Part 2 will have to answer that as well.


No I get that - what i meant that the DNA was a 100% match not a partial match - humanity had evolved/'mutated' from their initial seeding. So human DNA would only have elements of the Space Jockeys' DNA and would not be excalty the same.

Remember the Space Jockey from Alien? It's size was much larger than normal humans (Dallas, Lambert & Kane) and it was fossilised in it's chair. The Engineer in Prometheus is different - he/it is not much taller than humans, and resembles our looks. Could it be that the races of man & Engineers are related, with the Space Jockey of Alien being a superior set of beings above the Engineers? That could explain the 100% DNA match - siblings share the same DNA.

It could also add a whole new meaning to the opening sequence too, however. I think the dating of the opening sequence assumes a lot of importance now.

I presumed the ship laden with bioweapons was on its way to destroy Earth. Thats why Shaw wanted to sacrifice the Prometheus.

The ship was programmed to go to Earth, with a dormant Engineer inside (in hypersleep, perhaps?). The cargo held the bio-weapon containers which had the sticky substance in them - maybe that's the way they got rid of entire races and started a new one, as soon as evolution brought that species into a stage when they became too learned, too experienced and too smart. Maybe the Engineers planned it in such a manner that they inhabited/destroyed worlds according to their evolutionary stages. That could be the reason why the Engineer, upon awakening, attacked the humans and ripped David apart.


I have an idea about how this whole thing ends up tying up with the events on LV-426 in Alien through the next 2 sequels. Let's see if Scott proves me right.

[Ferox13]

I thought so as well, specially with the whole DNA bursting sequence culminating in the formation of a red cell (RBC?) which quickly started multiplying inside the water (first 2, then 4...).

Then, that whole sequence with David mixing the same sticky substance with Holloway's drink which resulted in him going awry (and his love-making with Shaw resulting in the rapid formation and development of the squid baby, leading up to the self-surgery sequence) and mutating into something which deteriorated his condition so badly he basically brought his own death to himself (by getting burnt by Vicker's flamethrower) - this threw a spanner into the works.

If this was the same substance which resulted in the formation and development of RBCs, why did it cause such rapid mutation in Holloway and that uber-quick pregnancy of Shaw? If it was the percursor to the RBCs, Holloway shouldn't have been affected. If affected, he should have mutated into...another human?

If it turns out to be the former (both substances are separate), I stand corrected. If the latter (both are the same), then I guess Part 2 will have to answer that as well.

The black goo seems to have different effects on what it infects and how?

The effects it had on Shaw were very different than what it did to Fifield (it turned him into an uber strong, pcp Zombie). It made the indigenous lifeforms (the worms) a 1000 bigger. Assuming it was the same substance at the start, it breaks down the Engineers to their DNA building blocks.

This seems like a more logical explaination than the Engineer was 'Someone who raised their voice on the continuous production of bio-weapons and, as a result, was cast out and punished by making them forcefully feed themselves with the sticky stuff.'. I see zero evidence for this.

Could it be that the races of man & Engineers are related, with the Space Jockey of Alien being a superior set of beings above the Engineers? That could explain the 100% DNA match - siblings share the same DNA.

What I am questioning is the 100%. Only creatures of the same race have exactly the same DNA. Clearly Engineers/Space Jockeys are not the same race as humans.

[Ferox13]

Heres some of my nitpicking (not so much plot points but just what I felt unrealistic actions of characters):

Fifield and Millburn getting lost in an area that had mapped and even knew their coordinates when they reported to the ship.

The crews completely nonplussed by Shaw when she shows up half naked, covered in blood with a Cesarean scar.

Why would they put together an operation of that size and put a crew on it that never met or trained together. It was like they picked up some daylabourers outside Home Depot.

Why did they hire Guy Pierce only to put him in a Johnny Knoxvill 'old suit'? Strange choice - I know there was the TED talks piece but that couldn't be it. Maybe he was already signed for a prequel.

Somethings I probably didn't get:

The 'altar' room clearly showed a carving of a Xenomorph (that looked liek the queen) - so the xeno that was born from the Spacejockey at the end wasn't the first? Why have what religious carving of the alien in the first place (I think this might get explained later)

I didn't understand the worm that was seen in Charlie's eye. I though the good worked on DNA but that seemed like a parasite. I thought maybe Davids sample was contaminated (by one of the worms) before he got a chance to freeze but I am not sure.

How did the Space Jockey make it to the shuttle with not helmet.

Why were the Engineers wearing helmets in the ship when it was set up with a breathable enviroment.

DAvid seemed to know the language of the Enginners too well just from studing ancient texts. He could open the sequences on the doors (which I imagine were codes). So not only could he understand the signage but also the sybols to press in the right order. Its like I know how the security door in the bank works but I have no idea what sequence of numbers to press.

I didn't get why the holograms were created - were they like security footage?

[Angra]

Maybe David only thought he knew the language when he really didn't.

So when he spoke to the Jockey what he was really saying was, "I had sex with yo momma."

And then all hell broke lose.



Makes sense. Makes alot of sense..

[hammerfan]

If you have a query, doubt or an unsolved riddle regarding the film, post it here. If you haven't guessed it already, Prometheus exists in the Alien universe but it isn't directly related to 1979's Alien - you can say it is a spinoff based on the same.

Wait, I'm confused. You say it's a spinoff? I thought it was more like a prequel.

[ChronoGrl]

I guess I'll post my review since no one else has:

I'll keep it short, given the many solid reviews up already. I tend more toward Ferret's review of the film. Beyond the visuals, which were absolutely brilliant and endlessly breathtaking, I was left feeling mostly underwhelmed. I thought the script was pretty weak. For a film dealing with the eternal vastness of space and the origins of humanity, it didn't feel very epic to me at all. The motivations behind the humans' mission and those of the space jockey and the arsenal of black goo all felt flat and thrown together.
That being said, between the visuals and effects and sets and acting, there was certainly enough to keep me engrossed for 2 hours. And I'll definitely go see the next one.

I'm going to be honest, I really agree with you and Ferret, though I would say that the issues I had with the movie unfortunately outweighed the pros for me.

Note: I had to dig up Ferret's well-written review - Here it is (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=926557&postcount=37214) in case anyone hasn't read it yet and is interested.

The PROS for me (spoilers included, but thanks to V the warning's in the thread's title):

Michael Fassbender/"David" - My favorite character, hands down. Absolutely creepy and brilliantly acted. I shuddered every time he was on screen.
The sets - It's already been said, but the sets and direction were brilliant; definitely built off of the previous movies but didn't out-do them. I thought that the ship itself was fantastic (Ferret's observations are really spot-on).
The self-abortion scene - Wow. WOW. One of the most disturbing scenes I've seen in horror as of late. Absolutely had me cringing. SO creepy.
Engineer vs. Squid Baby - The fangirl in me absolutely delighted in this


The CONS/issues that I just couldn't really get my head out of:

Why is no one absolutely amazed by the fact that they've discovered life AT ALL?! They land on a planet with incredible pyramid structures and it's all very ho-hum (weird reactions include Charlie the scientist being pissed and getting drunk - not really sure why there wasn't anything to celebrate here... Oh, and as noted, the surly geologist who is just "in it for the money" - I guess in the future space travel and discovery is really passe... Then what's the point of making a scifi movie about it?)
The biologist and the geologist get stuck on an alien planet in a dust storm and NOBODY CARES?! "Oh, well, nothing we can do. Let's have sex..." Which leads me to...
Idris Elba was incredibly wasted (hur hur literally and figuratively) and I ultimately had no feelings for him and his poorly two-dimensional copilots when they sacrificed themselves and the ship to save humanity.
Michael Fassbender/"David" - Yep, listed as a con here because I feel as though his greatest moments were also really random... He poisons Charlie (Why? Because every son wants to see his father die and Charlie as a human is a surrogate "father" to androids? So why doesn't David poison or mess with everyone else?) I feel as though we're being lead down the path of the sentient android... Here we're in a world where we're trying to discover our makers and ultimately find out that our makers are out to destroy us (o, nihilism!), so is the point of him to turn the tables and destroy his own maker? I feel as though there was more here to uncover; he was such an interesting character, ultimately diminished to a laughable head in a dufflebag.
I noted how incredible the self-abortion scene is... But then she's wandering around with her stomach stapled shut and no one bats an eye?? What about the two people she knocked out just to get to the self-surgery pod? Suddenly they're best friends? DOES NO ONE CARE THAT SHE JUST PULLED A SQUID CREATURE OUT OF HER BELLY?! DOES SHE EVEN CARE?! What a brilliant scene followed by incredible ambivalence... Made me wonder - What was the point of the scene at all?
Weyland on Board - Ugh. So THIS is our payoff in terms of WHY they were flown there? REALLY?! Old rich dude wants to meet his maker? Sigh. Disappointing.
Payoff #2 - Black Ooze and biochemical warfare - Another big disappointment; seems like we have black ooze on our hands that reconstructs an individual's DNA... If that's the case, then of course I'm wondering where do the xenomorphs come from (see, the black ooze seems to be pretty unpredictable when it comes to creation... yet there's a xenomorph on the wall in the black ooze canister room... And, yes, we get a xenomorph in the last 5 seconds - born of human, engineer, and squid creature... But it just seemed odd and random... OH BUT ISN'T LIFE ODD AND RANDOM?!)
How heavily can we be hit on the head with the CREATION OF LIFE themes here? David wants to see his maker die... The Engineers want to destroy their progeny... I feel as though this is just Philosophy 101 being served up via University of Phoenix... BIG TOPICS with PRETTY PICTURES but ultimately nonsensical and disappointing when it comes to payoffs. Sure, you can make the argument that we are SUPPOSED to be left wondering - But if we are, why does this movie even exist? This movie is supposed to show us where we came from, right? It's not like Scott is particularly subtle when it comes to that. Also, the whole biochemical warfare coming back to bite you - sigh- been done (yes, common theme in the Alien franchise... but can we grow on this please??)
Meredith Vickers - Theron did a great job with her, but I really didn't understand the point here - Big Business lady in space, I suppose? She didn't really turn out to be all that villainous (Weyland and David take that I suppose), but yet she deserves a villain's ending?
SPACE JOCKEYS - I was promised Space Jockeys. I didn't go to see the great questions of Life, The Universe, and Everything be peddled about by pretty little things in spacesuits... WHERE ARE MY SPACE JOCKEYS?!
Penis aliens - hur hur - Ok. Seriously. I canNOT be the only person who giggled at how incredibly phallic AND vaginal the black goo face huggers were... Though the breaking arm scene was pretty cringe-worthy. Also - WHY WOULD THE BIOLOGIST GET THAT CLOSE TO THEM?!


Argh. I was really disappointed and underwhelmed with this movie. Sure, it was pretty. Sure, more than a few scenes appealed to both my scifi fangirl AND horror fangirl sensibilities, but it seemed all really disjointed, no one seemed to react appropriately to anything at all, which made the best scenes seem like non sequitur. Ultimately, it all seemed very random, as though there were way too many areas of focus but none were fleshed out particularly well. Sure, one might say "Wait for the next movies," but UGH I feel as though I was promised a lot here and didn't get much out of it. Big empty pretty thing. I was actually pretty DISSATISFIED afterwards.

Anyway. That was a lot of rambling. For those of you who feel the same way, you may feel as amused and satisfied as I did when reading this review: http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/06/11/review-prometheus-is-a-visually-stunning-epic-failure/

One of my favorite lines:

But, the humans aren’t the only dummies here. The aliens–who all resemble buffed, albino Woody Harrelsons–are just another version of the brutish, humanoid killing machines we see in garbage like this year’s Battleship. You would think that aliens who engineered human beings–and who have some unstated reason for wanting to wipe us out–would be smarter than the Xenomorphs from the Alien series. They aren‘t. Apart from having spaceships–and technology that conveniently shows pixilated holographic recordings of their fate to people who happen to drop in and push the right buttons–there is nothing advanced about them. They weren’t even smart enough to keep their deadly bio-weapons safely locked-up, choosing instead to keep them in jars on the floor. This is the equivalent of keeping buckets of poisonous snakes, viruses, and toxic waste in your family’s minivan. What advanced race would be that careless?

Some may argue that this is the point of the film–the cynical notion that all civilizations, on Earth and elsewhere, ultimately become warlike and self-destruct. Open up a history book and turn on the news, and I can see their point. I would suggest, though, that in the case of Prometheus, what’s responsible for the vacant barbarism of the aliens is merely the limited imaginations of their authors.

[ChronoGrl]

These were big issues for me too...

Fifield and Millburn getting lost in an area that had mapped and even knew their coordinates when they reported to the ship.

The crews completely nonplussed by Shaw when she shows up half naked, covered in blood with a Cesarean scar.

Why did they hire Guy Pierce only to put him in a Johnny Knoxvill 'old suit'? Strange choice - I know there was the TED talks piece but that couldn't be it. Maybe he was already signed for a prequel.

Somethings I probably didn't get:

The 'altar' room clearly showed a carving of a Xenomorph (that looked liek the queen) - so the xeno that was born from the Spacejockey at the end wasn't the first? Why have what religious carving of the alien in the first place (I think this might get explained later)

DAvid seemed to know the language of the Enginners too well just from studing ancient texts. He could open the sequences on the doors (which I imagine were codes). So not only could he understand the signage but also the sybols to press in the right order. Its like I know how the security door in the bank works but I have no idea what sequence of numbers to press.

I didn't get why the holograms were created - were they like security footage?

[_____V_____]

The black goo seems to have different effects on what it infects and how?

The assumption I made during my 3rd viewing was that the Engineers had devised different types of sticky goo for different purposes. There's no way of proving that the sticky goo taken by the monk Engineer in the opening sequence is the same goo which was given to Holloway.

Of course, like you said, it might have different effects on different hosts. But remember, the 100% DNA match? That means it should have affected Holloway the same way it affected the Engineer, if the basic composition of both bodies is the same.

The effects it had on Shaw were very different than what it did to Fifield (it turned him into an uber strong, pcp Zombie). It made the indigenous lifeforms (the worms) a 1000 bigger. Assuming it was the same substance at the start, it breaks down the Engineers to their DNA building blocks.

Fifield's helmet started disintegrating when he sliced the Hammerpede (stuck to Millburn) into two and got sprayed by it's blood (assuming it had a substance similar to acid in it's blood). That made him spin out of control right into the thick fluid flowing through that inner chamber of the pyramid.

The qualities of THIS fluid didn't resemble the qualities of the sticky goo inside the container - it was more viscous and free-flowing, unlike the sticky goo. If you remember, right after Fifield fell into the fluid head-first, his helmet (which was already steaming and sizzling from the spray of the Hammerpede's blood) sort of completely melted inwards, sticking into his face. That could have been the result of the Hammerpede's blood mixing with the flowing liquid which caused that sort of reaction. Of course, the liquid did intensify Fifield's mutation and turned him into what he became, later.

This seems like a more logical explaination than the Engineer was 'Someone who raised their voice on the continuous production of bio-weapons and, as a result, was cast out and punished by making them forcefully feed themselves with the sticky stuff.'. I see zero evidence for this.

If you think back to the opening sequence carefully, you will remember that the monk Engineer (I call him so because he was dressed in robes with a hood) walks slowly to the edge of the waterfall, carrying a small dish-like thing containing the black sticky goo. The spaceship hovers in front of him and he lowers his hood and takes a long, deep look at the spaceship. That look signifies that the monk Engineer wasn't there from his own choice.

Secondly, if he was chosen for this job, the spaceship wouldn't have been hovering over him until he drank the goo. It would have landed him and disappeared, assured that he would do his thing. The spaceship left only after he had drunk the goo - which signifies they watched over him till the last moment ensuring he did the job, and ONLY then did they leave.

Thirdly, if he had been chosen, they could have made him drink the goo inside the spaceship itself, then dumped his disintegrating body directly into the waterfall.

Ergo my theory of him NOT volunteering for this.

What I am questioning is the 100%. Only creatures of the same race have exactly the same DNA. Clearly Engineers/Space Jockeys are not the same race as humans.

Not necessarily. 100% DNA match happens very rarely (even fathers don't share 100% DNA matching with their children at times) - specially matching the DNA of a rapidly evolving race such as humans with another race is rare. Unless the explanation which I provided earlier - either they are siblings of humans, or they are an advanced, evolved or mutated version of humans. Maybe the Engineers are how humans would develop and evolve into, in the distant future.


Heres some of my nitpicking (not so much plot points but just what I felt unrealistic actions of characters):

Fifield and Millburn getting lost in an area that had mapped and even knew their coordinates when they reported to the ship.

Maybe they got really shaken up and freaked out when they ran into all those Engineers' corpses.

The crews completely nonplussed by Shaw when she shows up half naked, covered in blood with a Cesarean scar.

Maybe because half the crew was busy fighting off mutant Fifield and the other half was tending to old Weyland. They did rush to her when she stumbled in and covered her with something and made her sit.

Why would they put together an operation of that size and put a crew on it that never met or trained together. It was like they picked up some daylabourers outside Home Depot.

I blame this on either Lindelof or the editing table. Maybe we will see crew interaction in a Director's Cut DVD.

Why did they hire Guy Pierce only to put him in a Johnny Knoxvill 'old suit'? Strange choice - I know there was the TED talks piece but that couldn't be it. Maybe he was already signed for a prequel.

Could be. Or he has a bigger role to play as a younger Weyland in future sequels.

Somethings I probably didn't get:

The 'altar' room clearly showed a carving of a Xenomorph (that looked liek the queen) - so the xeno that was born from the Spacejockey at the end wasn't the first? Why have what religious carving of the alien in the first place (I think this might get explained later)

A-ha! Perfectly spotted.

An indication which shows that the Engineers knew about the Xenomorphs already (either through direct contact or had developed them in their bio-weapons lab). The religious intonation might mean the Engineers being in awe of this perfect killing machine - they revere it. Yes a sequel will explain this perfectly.

I didn't understand the worm that was seen in Charlie's eye. I though the good worked on DNA but that seemed like a parasite. I thought maybe Davids sample was contaminated (by one of the worms) before he got a chance to freeze but I am not sure.

Maybe that was the infectious mutation which grew inside Holloway's blood, when it got tainted by the black goo which David had slipped into his drink. It could explain his extreme discomfort when he was helped to the ship. Maybe something was growing INSIDE him, waiting to tear it's way out? That's why he preferred death?


How did the Space Jockey make it to the shuttle with not helmet.

Maybe the Engineers had an-inbuilt breathing unit built into their suits, to tackle the non-breathable atmosphere of the planet.

Why were the Engineers wearing helmets in the ship when it was set up with a breathable enviroment.

So that they didn't disturb the air/atmosphere inside the pyramid? Remember the balance of the ante room being shifted when the humans entered it?

DAvid seemed to know the language of the Enginners too well just from studing ancient texts. He could open the sequences on the doors (which I imagine were codes). So not only could he understand the signage but also the sybols to press in the right order. Its like I know how the security door in the bank works but I have no idea what sequence of numbers to press.

This adds to my theory of Engineers being an example of human evolution in the future. And it could also explain why the Engineers resembled humans so much in outward appearance.

I didn't get why the holograms were created - were they like security footage?

Plausibly.


Maybe David only thought he knew the language when he really didn't.

So when he spoke to the Jockey what he was really saying was, "I had sex with yo momma."

And then all hell broke lose.

Makes sense. Makes alot of sense..

What he said to the Engineer was - (translated) "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life."

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/56679/translation-what-david-said-engineer-prometheus



Wait, I'm confused. You say it's a spinoff? I thought it was more like a prequel.

For now, yes it's a spinoff based on the Alien universe. IF there are sequel(s) eventually which will connect it to Alien in the end, we can call it a prequel.


I am just trying to provide some answers. None of my explanations should be treated as final answers, as I am trying to theorise about all of it myself and to put things together.

Will tackle Chronogrl's post tomorrow. Power's been going on and off in the past 6 hours (it's raining heavily here), and I had to save Ferox's reply in a Notepad file to reply to all of it whenever power came back.

Meanwhile, check these out :-

http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/6/24/prometheus-mutations-infographic.html

http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-6-answers-to-the-key-questions.php

[ChronoGrl]

I have to give J credit for this... I giggled out loud:

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Why is no one absolutely amazed by the fact that they've discovered life AT ALL?! They land on a planet with incredible pyramid structures and it's all very ho-hum (weird reactions include Charlie the scientist being pissed and getting drunk - not really sure why there wasn't anything to celebrate here... Oh, and as noted, the surly geologist who is just "in it for the money" - I guess in the future space travel and discovery is really passe... Then what's the point of making a scifi movie about it?)

There are expressions of wonder on Rapace and Green when they initially come upon the pyramid-like structure. And remember, most of the crew (including the captain) neither believed in Shaw's explanation of the star maps (the whole creator/God angle) nor were they ready to believe when they came upon the pyramid. Their skepticism could be a main factor which kept their enthusiasm dampened.

The biologist and the geologist get stuck on an alien planet in a dust storm and NOBODY CARES?! "Oh, well, nothing we can do. Let's have sex..."

Till then they hadn't had their encounters, so they didn't know that there were unknown, lurking dangers inside the pyramid. Their probes had also pretty much scanned through the whole structure and didn't report back with any "living being" beeps - one more reason for them to think it was a lifeless pyramid.

Not to mention that the storm was a really bad one and hampered all sorts of visibility. There wasn't anything to be done but wait till it passed.

Idris Elba was incredibly wasted (hur hur literally and figuratively) and I ultimately had no feelings for him and his poorly two-dimensional copilots when they sacrificed themselves and the ship to save humanity.

I blame this on bad script writing, again. His was one excellent character and could have been given different shades/angles and if developed properly, could have been one of the major pluses of the film. As it is, Elba did a superb job with the limitations he was fed.

Michael Fassbender/"David" - Yep, listed as a con here because I feel as though his greatest moments were also really random... He poisons Charlie (Why? Because every son wants to see his father die and Charlie as a human is a surrogate "father" to androids? So why doesn't David poison or mess with everyone else?) I feel as though we're being lead down the path of the sentient android... Here we're in a world where we're trying to discover our makers and ultimately find out that our makers are out to destroy us (o, nihilism!), so is the point of him to turn the tables and destroy his own maker? I feel as though there was more here to uncover; he was such an interesting character, ultimately diminished to a laughable head in a dufflebag.

There are complexities to David which can be similar to Ash in Alien. As we find out that Weyland himself was on the ship and David was reporting back to him regularly, it is safe to assume he was working under direct instructions. The discovery of the goo was reported to Weyland and he was instructed to try it on one of the team members first to see what reactions, or lack of, it caused, before they tried it on Weyland himself.

And it's easily presumed that since the events of this film happened much before Alien, David is an older model than Ash. Like Bishop explains in Aliens, the Ash android itself had faults ("twitchy" in his words), so what's to tell that David's programming wasn't faulty as well? The filmmakers didn't want to go down the repetitive path of an android/robot/computer going suicidal (HAL 9000, the Red Queen, etc.) so they kept David as an android with shades of grey, most presumably because of following direct orders from Weyland himself.

And let's admit it, we did see Weyland didn't care much for the crew or their fates. He was a selfish bastard who was only interested in prolonging his own life, and because there was a chance that Shaw's prediction of Gods/makers could come out true, he tagged along in secret for the ride, in hopes of coming across a Fountain of Youth. (which David actually asks the Engineer on Weyland's behalf) If his intentions had been noble/true, he wouldn't have been in hiding inside the ship.

I noted how incredible the self-abortion scene is... But then she's wandering around with her stomach stapled shut and no one bats an eye?? What about the two people she knocked out just to get to the self-surgery pod? Suddenly they're best friends? DOES NO ONE CARE THAT SHE JUST PULLED A SQUID CREATURE OUT OF HER BELLY?! DOES SHE EVEN CARE?! What a brilliant scene followed by incredible ambivalence... Made me wonder - What was the point of the scene at all?

Most of the crew were in the docking bay fighting the mutant, remember? Those who were left were also headed that way after the alert which went off throughout the ship. Maybe they didn't notice her "stapled" condition, and assumed by seeing her blood that she was involved in the fight with the mutant. Nobody else knew she was pregnant except David, did they?

And when she stumbled into Weyland's room, the initial reaction was one of surprise by the crew attending to Weyland, including David, who didn't expect to find her there. And yes, they noticed her blood and her staples, and immediately helped her down and draped a blanket around her.

And Shaw herself didn't tell anybody what happened to her inside the pod, either. Until she got to Weyland's chamber, that is. As for the staples and her roaming around after that, she DID inject herself with plenty of painkillers(?) before and during the surgery, remember? It does take awhile for the kicked-in stuff from injections to lose their influence.

The flaw I see in that entire sequence is that the surgery pod's computer didn't announce the newly birth as a possible contamination and didn't quarantine it somewhere. Really glaring flaw this.

Weyland on Board - Ugh. So THIS is our payoff in terms of WHY they were flown there? REALLY?! Old rich dude wants to meet his maker? Sigh. Disappointing.

Weyland has absolutely 0% interest in meeting his maker. Unlike Shaw, Weyland had only selfish interests in this mission. Presumably, all his efforts to prolong his life had backfired so he was in this for the chance - what if Shaw's predictions came true? He could really meet the Gods and get something on the lines of the Fountain of Youth from them.

Payoff #2 - Black Ooze and biochemical warfare - Another big disappointment; seems like we have black ooze on our hands that reconstructs an individual's DNA... If that's the case, then of course I'm wondering where do the xenomorphs come from (see, the black ooze seems to be pretty unpredictable when it comes to creation... yet there's a xenomorph on the wall in the black ooze canister room... And, yes, we get a xenomorph in the last 5 seconds - born of human, engineer, and squid creature... But it just seemed odd and random... OH BUT ISN'T LIFE ODD AND RANDOM?!)

It's debatable - either the Engineers who roamed worlds creating life, created the Xenomorphs as well, or they were an indigenous species which the Engineers came across during their flights through the universe. There is a third angle, the whole bio-weapons development, but that gets affected when we see the "chapel"-like sequence. Clearly the Engineers revere the Xenomorphs, which made me tilt towards the indigenous species origin.

But then we see what happens when "infected" Charlie impregnates Shaw - that brings out another explanation for the Xenomorphs. Created as bio-weapons by the Engineers (possibly out of some planet's indigenous species's DNA or from scratch), they turned out to become pure and perfect killing machines, which is why they were revered by the Engineers.

And remember, not all black goo works as the same. The cylinders looked identical, but maybe they had secret markings on them to distinguish them from each other. Something which David couldn't see.

How heavily can we be hit on the head with the CREATION OF LIFE themes here? David wants to see his maker die... The Engineers want to destroy their progeny... I feel as though this is just Philosophy 101 being served up via University of Phoenix... BIG TOPICS with PRETTY PICTURES but ultimately nonsensical and disappointing when it comes to payoffs. Sure, you can make the argument that we are SUPPOSED to be left wondering - But if we are, why does this movie even exist? This movie is supposed to show us where we came from, right? It's not like Scott is particularly subtle when it comes to that. Also, the whole biochemical warfare coming back to bite you - sigh- been done (yes, common theme in the Alien franchise... but can we grow on this please??)

Ultimately, what ever is created, has been destroyed. Humanity's history is dotted with such examples. The filmmakers only expounded on this. Even our race isn't eternal - someday, like the dinosaurs before us, we will be replaced as well. Maybe we have sped up the process by tainting our environments and atmosphere, and have gone past a "point of turning back".
(Remember The Abyss's climax?)
That could be why the Engineers want to destroy their creation - us - because we didn't turn out to be what they hoped we would evolve into. Specially when there are more perfect species (such as Xenomorphs) out there.

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Meredith Vickers - Theron did a great job with her, but I really didn't understand the point here - Big Business lady in space, I suppose? She didn't really turn out to be all that villainous (Weyland and David take that I suppose), but yet she deserves a villain's ending?

She and her father weren't on the same page. She was in this just like Carter Burke in Aliens, to safeguard the investment of the project. Clearly her intentions were business and profit, and she behaved like a very one-dimensional character, like her Daddy. Yes, she didn't deserve that ending but then she couldn't have been left alive in the end, could she? Since she didn't die inside the ship or the pyramid...

SPACE JOCKEYS - I was promised Space Jockeys. I didn't go to see the great questions of Life, The Universe, and Everything be peddled about by pretty little things in spacesuits... WHERE ARE MY SPACE JOCKEYS?!

You saw a whole bunch of them running through when David activated the hologram, remember? And you saw a full-fledged SJ in the Engineer who was awakened from his cryo-sleep. Explanations about their running/flight from the deck should be provided in the sequel (or prequel?).

Penis aliens - hur hur - Ok. Seriously. I canNOT be the only person who giggled at how incredibly phallic AND vaginal the black goo face huggers were... Though the breaking arm scene was pretty cringe-worthy. Also - WHY WOULD THE BIOLOGIST GET THAT CLOSE TO THEM?!

Ah, the hammerpedes. One of the many bioweapons inside the pyramid (shame that we didn't get to see more of those bioweapons, which were cut out by Lindelof from Spaihts' treatment because the script was getting unnecessarily long) which looked innocent but turned out extremely deadly. Again, the biologist had no idea what he was dealing with. Of course, he should have been a bit fearful and apprehensive when dealing with such a creature, but judging by how incredibly swift the hammerpede was, he was a foregone conclusion the moment it drifted towards them in the goo stream. Even then, the hammerpede didn't cause death - it merely impregnated you with something, like the facehugger. The problem started when they cut it and sprayed themselves with it's acidic blood. Inadvertently dipping the helmet into the flowing goo further enhanced the situation.

Argh. I was really disappointed and underwhelmed with this movie. Sure, it was pretty. Sure, more than a few scenes appealed to both my scifi fangirl AND horror fangirl sensibilities, but it seemed all really disjointed, no one seemed to react appropriately to anything at all, which made the best scenes seem like non sequitur. Ultimately, it all seemed very random, as though there were way too many areas of focus but none were fleshed out particularly well. Sure, one might say "Wait for the next movies," but UGH I feel as though I was promised a lot here and didn't get much out of it. Big empty pretty thing. I was actually pretty DISSATISFIED afterwards.

I don't blame you.

It may all seem like a confusing, muddled mess to even the best of viewers, specially when there are hurried rewrites of the original script involved. The Spaihts' scriptt was fantastic, but the hurried rewrites by Lindelof messed everything up.

Most portions of Spaihts' work was leaked to the media when shooting was underway (remember my post in the Upcoming Horror section's Prometheus thread about the script getting leaked, and the whole angle of male gay aliens, and a scene of gay aliens actually having sex). Wait, let me find it...

Here's the synopsis of Spaihts' treatment -

Earth. Year 2058.

Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God’s home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and [its] crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel a few years later the PROMETHEUS enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.

As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.

On their trail a survivor Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission.

Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.

And this is what happened when the first rewrite of Spaihts' treatment by Lindelof was over -

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=878635&postcount=56

The script (by John Spaihts and recently rewritten by Damon Lindelof) tells of the space jockeys traveling from planet to planet and terraforming them.

The space jockeys are holding captive of two human slave farmers named Fin and Karik and force them (via mind control) to engage in sexual activity. (The twist: they’re both male).

There will be a black Vasquez-esque spaceship crew member named Oliver.

Gemma Arterton was offered to play a female crew member named Truks.

The aliens are used by the space jockeys (known as “Growers” in the script) in their terraforming processes as some sort of biological tools.

The signature alien won’t appear until the latter half of the film when it fully develops into it (this hints that we’ll be seeing different and new forms of aliens).

The editor calls the film a hard science fiction part psychological drama.

Ridley has met with Lance Henriksen to appear in the film.

The idea behind the man-on-man action is apparently that the growers want their human slaves to breed. They’ve no idea about human genders as they are a single sex race and so things get a little… confused, leading to what the original story described as “Brokeback Alien”.

Subsequent rewrites weren't planned, but forced. But that doesn't justify Ridley's satisfaction with the final draft, or the go-ahead after they saw their treatment in the editing room before release. Either way, it's a given that they didn't pursue the originally intended Prometheus story the way they would have liked it to. No wonder Ridley is staying silent on the prospects of a sequel right now, when usually film makers announce sequels almost immediately after a film releases and does well at the BO. This after announcing that there will be at least two prequels, and an explanation of how the SJ fits into the Alien universe.

Prometheus is a thought-provoking film. Ridley tried to leave enough questions in it to keep fans thinking and guessing so that he would have scope to fit in a sequel (or a prequel) or two, but two things went against it - Lindelof's hasty rewrites, and the whole Ridley treatment which makes the film give off a vibe of taking itself way too seriously.

But the biggest merit of the film is that it actually gave us something different, something to think about, something to talk about, like today. When bigger films with bigger budgets warrant a one-watch, some oohs and aahs, and ultimately disappear from sight to make way for the next blockbuster. This is the reason why I appreciate it, despite it's flaws.

[ChronoGrl]

V - Wow. Totally appreciate your long, thoughtful, and detailed response, as always! (wish we were closer so that we could have these discussions in person over coffee or beer)

To be honest, though, I think we need to agree to disagree in terms of the overall merits of the film - I just don't think it was a good movie. Could be that it was the writing/rewrites (those treatments you posted were great, especially the first one)... But it just didn't work for me. With my love of the Alien series I'll probably see the other films, but I was honestly really disappointed and dissatisfied with this.

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V - Wow. Totally appreciate your long, thoughtful, and detailed response, as always! (wish we were closer so that we could have these discussions in person over coffee or beer)

To be honest, though, I think we need to agree to disagree in terms of the overall merits of the film - I just don't think it was a good movie. Could be that it was the writing/rewrites (those treatments you posted were great, especially the first one)... But it just didn't work for me. With my love of the Alien series I'll probably see the other films, but I was honestly really disappointed and dissatisfied with this.

For the record, I am not defending the film by any means, nor am I showing any fanboy-ism towards it. I am more dissatisfied than disappointed, to some extent.

Such a lovely story, a linear narrative, excellent visuals and background score, and some really neat performances. All marred by a somewhat botched script. Like I said above, how did the end product pass through the production team's screenings, especially Ridley Scott, is beyond me.

Lindelof's clumsiness is so evident. I won't be surprised if he is fired for the sequel/prequel, when/if they make one.

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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Cartoon-Shows-How-Prometheus-Should-Have-Ended-32172.html

[The Villain]

Pretty funny and honestly if it had ended that way i'm sure a lot more people would be happier

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http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/prometheus-credits-tag-leads-to-a-new-viral-site-weyland-video/

GDanyJA5aRU

Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

Well, what do we have here. Amidst all the discussion on Prometheus, fans have seemed to miss a clue that continues the story beyond what we see in this movie.

MovieViral points out of that if you stay to the very end of the credits, there is a Weyland Corp tag (not a scene, just a logo - seen above) that includes the date 10. 11. 12. prominently displayed.

One of the key components is a new video, a short 30-second video featuring a young Peter Weyland (played by Guy Pearce) from the TED 2023 Talk. In it, he only says one line: "I am a law only for my kind, I am no law for all." But there's also the tag on the video itself: Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The title refers to the book by German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. "Much of the work deals with ideas such as the 'eternal recurrence of the same', the parable on the 'death of God', and the 'prophecy' of the Übermensch," it states.

The website also features a 3D render of a book with the title written on it "What is Great in Man is That He is a Bridge and Not an End." It's another quote from Nietzsche's book Thus Spoke Zarathustra, which all of this must be heavily connected to, given the numerous references so far. Plus, for everyone who has now seen Prometheus, all of these connections are starting to make sense. Weyland wants to meet his maker and wants to support a voyage to meet these gods, whoever they may be, since he is in search of power as well.

But what does 10.11.12 really mean?

We're not entirely sure yet. The site has five "modules", currently only at "1-A1", so we may have four more of these to go through, plus four more months until October anyway.

Check out - http://www.whatis101112.com/

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ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
(About 35 minutes of deleted footage)

* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* T’IS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE’RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/AVV292368/

Would it be added into the Uncut version on DVD/BD? More importantly, does it add a bit more clarity to the film's proceedings?

IMO, 35 minutes is a pretty heavy cut out of the 2 hr. 4 mins. (final) length of the film. (considering the last 3 deleted scenes, each one pretty long).

Let's wait and see.

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Interesting read - http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

All who have seen the film already should read it.

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Moviefone have caught up with James Cameron, primarily to talk about Titanic 3D arriving on disc, and they asked him his views on Ridley Scott’s return, of sorts, to the franchise they both have a vested interest in.

“I thought it was great”, Cameron said of Prometheus. “I thought it was Ridley returning to science fiction with gusto, with great tactical performance, beautiful photography, great native 3D. There might have been a few things that I would have done differently, but that’s not the point, you could say that about any movie.”

Clearly stating that he would never consider returning to the world of Alien himself now, Cameron did add that “Prometheus is a film I saw twice, and I thought about it ahead of time. The first time I would just enjoy it, go for the ride, not be too analytical and the second time I would allow myself to be a little more analytical about, you know, where the lights were and how they lit the shots with all the people in the helmets, how they probably had to do CG faceplates like we did on Avatar, things like that. But, sometimes, so that I preserve a fun, fan-like viewing experience, I won’t get into that level. I’ll just go for the ride, like, consciously.”

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/09/06/james-cameron-titanic-kat_n_1861572.html

[Posher778]

I'd like to say that i'm very happy Cameron and Scott are respectful of each other's work. I'd hate to see a dumb rivalry over 2 great directors.

Having said that

Prometheus > Avatar x100




Also I just realized both directors have firstnamelastnames.

[realdealblues]

You need to watch it as a standalone film, separate from the Alien franchise, to appreciate it a bit more, specially the questions it leaves you with. Think of it as a spin-off.

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Watched Prometheus again last night. My 6th or 7th viewing, and I love it a wee bit more again. As for the questions, all answers are given in the movie if watched carefully, IMO. I still say it's a great sci-fi film with a dash of surreality.

I always watch movies as "stand alone films" so that they get a fair opinion. The story itself was fine but like most movies today, I was left not caring about most of the characters. Most of them are "fodder" and other ones are either too stupid or mean spirited enough that you want to see them get killed anyway.

I also didn't really like how a grey octopus looking creature mixes with a body builder looking pale man to come out as a black "Alien" style creature. I didn't really care for the look of the Engineers themselves. Why body builders with 6 pack abs?...lol. They looked like comic book superheroes or supervillians. I did like their exo-suit, but their actual design I thought was cheesy.

The whole philosophical ideals of the film were fine. The effects with the spaceship were great and virtual map of the cave was neat.

But it didn't really offer me anything new. After a half hour I knew the girl and the android would survive. I knew the old man would be on the ship after they played his hologram. I knew the engineers wouldn't be friendly. I knew the engineer wasn't dead after the spaceship crashes. I knew the octopus looking thing was still in the lifeboat. I was never really left "wondering" what was going to happen. It was really pretty straight forward.

Like I said, it's not a bad movie. But I also don't think it was anything I hadn't seen before.

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I always watch movies as "stand alone films" so that they get a fair opinion. The story itself was fine but like most movies today, I was left not caring about most of the characters. Most of them are "fodder" and other ones are either too stupid or mean spirited enough that you want to see them get killed anyway.

I have to reluctantly agree that supporting characters aren't strong in the film, an attribute which I blame the script writer on. Really memorable supporting characters come from strong scripts (Alien, Aliens, Predator, From Dusk Till Dawn, etc.) so Lindelof did let everyone down there. That being said, the main characters were all strong - Shaw, David, Vickers, Holloway, Janek, even old man Weyland was depicted and written well.

I also didn't really like how a grey octopus looking creature mixes with a body builder looking pale man to come out as a black "Alien" style creature. I didn't really care for the look of the Engineers themselves. Why body builders with 6 pack abs?...lol. They looked like comic book superheroes or supervillians. I did like their exo-suit, but their actual design I thought was cheesy.

The moon, LV-223, was a base for the Engineers' experiments. The pyramid housed some of their successful and some not-so-successful ones (like the Hammerpede). Needless to say, the continuous experimentation and the dumping ground of the sub-planet (or moon) had some very curious stuff contained in the cargo area of the underground ship. Goo in the containers looked similar but behaved differently.
I suspect Holloway was mutating into something else (maybe even into an Engineer) after getting infected by David. And what kind of DNA strands did he pass into the sterile Shaw which resulted in her getting pregnant and giving birth to that monstrosity within 24 hours? Which means there exists a connection between the early xenomorphs and the Engineers, probably to be shown in the sequel. That could also explain the "altar"-ish scene of the xenomorph inside the pyramid's inner chamber (the one with the face).

The look of the Engineers was clear - they were shown to be a superior race than man, a "super-man" or super being of sorts, hence the close resemblance to humans, yet the super-sized, beefy, body structure. I wonder if the title Prometheus refers to them now, instead of the humans - the ones who stole the "fire from the gods" (ability to give life) and now, pursued to be prosecuted/punished by "the gods", are forced to take their "gift" away. The early script (and story) had this angle covered pretty strongly, but after it got leaked to the press they were hard-pressed to make changes to it which made all the connections seem a lot more subtle. I personally loved the original script (which you can check here - http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=878635&postcount=56)

The whole philosophical ideals of the film were fine. The effects with the spaceship were great and virtual map of the cave was neat.

But it didn't really offer me anything new. After a half hour I knew the girl and the android would survive. I knew the old man would be on the ship after they played his hologram. I knew the engineers wouldn't be friendly. I knew the engineer wasn't dead after the spaceship crashes. I knew the octopus looking thing was still in the lifeboat. I was never really left "wondering" what was going to happen. It was really pretty straight forward.

Like I said, it's not a bad movie. But I also don't think it was anything I hadn't seen before.

Admit it, how many films have we seen till now which have the main character(s) killed off before the end? Only Alien hints at this, with Dallas taking center stage (and Tom Skeritt getting first billing and being more recognisable than Sigourney Weaver back then) and getting killed mid-way through the film. It's pretty easy to deduce who are the main characters and who might survive till the end (although David isn't exactly a survivor, seeing as he's only a decapitated head controlling a spaceship by the end of the film).
David was reporting back regularly to someone, and that someone wasn't Vickers. Safe to assume Weyland was in the equation, somewhere. No surprises there.
The surviving Engineer didn't attack the crew rightaway. What David said to it made him behave the way he did. What did David say? Still a matter of speculation, but presses report that he said (on behalf of Weyland) "This man here (Weyland) believes you can give him the blessing of life immortal" which instantly made two things clear to the Engineer - 1) David wasn't human, or he would have asked for immortal life for himself, and 2) Humans had finally made it to their star-mapped destination but not to meet their creators the Engineers, but in a selfish quest for eternal life. That could be an explanation for it's hostility, and it's renewed conviction to destroy life on Earth.
The alien spaceship was a pretty sturdy and strong craft. Even after Prometheus collides head-on into it and crumbles into a gigantic explosion, we see the alien spaceship suffer minimal/no damage as it nose-dives towards the surface. And the Engineer was pretty well-strapped into his control chair/pod when the spaceship started lifting, so it's survival (even when one side of it's face had suffered damage) was a given.
Obviously the alien squid was inside the surgical chamber. It was taken out of Shaw (and possibly stored in a container or something) and it grew into large proportions, just like the original Alien xenomorph. My grudge with this is something else - upon detecting an alien being which came from Shaw's abdomen, the computers of the ship should have quarantined it immediately. Either this facility was not present in that surgical pod, or the computers failed to recognise it as an alien being, seeing as how it came out from a human's body. But still, it was a glaring flaw in the continuity, since we are led to believe that the technology of that time was very, very ahead, almost on par with Alien's timeline.

The film is pretty strong technically and direction-wise. Where it lacked was a slightly more refined script and treatment of the minor details. But that can be attributed to hasty changes made (by Damon Lindelof) to the initial script written by Jon Spaihts which got leaked, and which ended in this treatment which we see as this final product. Still, the deleted scenes (of over 45 minutes) which will come packed into the DVD/BD release of the film should add a bit more explanation. And Scott himself has promised "answers, and a better, taut, tight treatment" for Prometheus 2: Paradise, so let's look forward to that as well.

Check out this thread - http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61116

[realdealblues]

V...I would hate to go against you at trivia...lol. I know years, directors, actors and maybe a few details but you know all the specs :-)

I'll have to check out the original script.

I really only thought Shaw, David & Captain Janek were strong characters. I didn't feel Vickers or Holloway really added much. Shaw's character could have been both parts (Holloway & Shaw) with someone else as the "infectee/love interest. Vickers didn't really do anything but say I'm in charge and then have no one pay attention to her.

It was better than your average movie and would watch it again, but it just didn't really have that big of an impact on me I guess. I'm glad you really like it though and it stirs something in you. No one around me really has much passion for film so it's nice to have someone really express what they like about something.

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V...I would hate to go against you at trivia...lol. I know years, directors, actors and maybe a few details but you know all the specs :-)

I'll have to check out the original script.

I really only thought Shaw, David & Captain Janek were strong characters. I didn't feel Vickers or Holloway really added much. Shaw's character could have been both parts (Holloway & Shaw) with someone else as the "infectee/love interest. Vickers didn't really do anything but say I'm in charge and then have no one pay attention to her.

It was better than your average movie and would watch it again, but it just didn't really have that big of an impact on me I guess. I'm glad you really like it though and it stirs something in you. No one around me really has much passion for film so it's nice to have someone really express what they like about something.

There are several aspects to Vickers's character which are not immediately evident in the first viewing - why she is the way she is, what kind of a relation she shares with Weyland, why she is trying desperately to show that she is in charge while all the time the real "Captain" of the entire mission is David. Old man Weyland is obviously disappointed on not having a son to run his empire after him, and so Meredith is left running things "inside a boardroom" as some sort of a Assistant MD of sorts, while Weyland proclaims that David is "the closest thing to having a son". One of the reasons why David's programming involves following Weyland's orders implicitly - the perfect son for the "perfect" Dad.

The 3 key scenes for this - Weyland's virtual image addressing the crew, Meredith and Weyland inside Weyland's chamber, and a short interaction between David and Elizabeth just before they leave to meet the final Engineer sleeping in his cryo tube.

Holloway, as a character, is essential to the focus of the film. He's the more impressionable of the two, and unlike Shaw, he was more interested in knowing what exactly they were going to seek. He wasn't exactly sure they were going to be the makers, rather than finding a new planet with a new race, possibly the point from where humans evolved. His immense disappointment is amply evident by 2 scenes - when he approaches the "altar" on the wall and sees the sarcophagus with the green top and comments how it's all dead, and when they find nothing of interest in the chamber or in the pyramid, except a decapitated Engineer, which only confirms his doubts - their makers are also susceptible to death, so they can't be their makers, nor can they be perfect "gods", so as to speak. Which makes him go drunk when David meets him (to infect him with the goo).

And I am intrigued by Prometheus because of 2 reasons - my immense love for Alien and it's universe, and after a long, long time a film has come about which poses questions, rather than feed answers directly like most modern contemporary films (any genre). Rather than tying everything up neatly in a bow tie, this film leaves you asking stuff, and asking for more. These 2 emotions are very tough to be brought out. And maybe that's why Prometheus is just that bit more special to me. I wouldn't classify it as a 10/10 film, it has it's faults, but it's been the single biggest event (film-wise) to have happened to me in recent times.

[realdealblues]

I caught all the things you mentioned, and I understand why all that works but I still think it could have been written differently and drawn down to a tighter focus and still have worked without those characters.

The last film that was that big of an event for me (film-wise) was The Signal (2007) which I didn't see until 2011, but I bet I watched that movie 6 or 7 days in a row after I bought it on Blu-Ray.

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A reveal, ahead of the DVD/BD release.

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I bet none of you saw this in the theaters. Neither did I.

[Ferox13]

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[ChronoGrl]

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LOL - I thought I already posted this... But it definitely sums up how I feel (oh and cracks me up). :D

[ChronoGrl]

A reveal, ahead of the DVD/BD release.

HK684Ti1KyI

I bet none of you saw this in the theaters. Neither did I.

What did I miss??? :confused: I don't get it.

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What did I miss??? :confused: I don't get it.

The Engineer talking, and David telling Weyland what he asked the Engineer.

[ChronoGrl]

The Engineer talking, and David telling Weyland what he asked the Engineer.

That didn't happen in the movie? Been so long - Totally forgot... :o

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That didn't happen in the movie? Been so long - Totally forgot... :o

I should be angry, but I am not. :p

Go watch it once more in the theaters before the BD comes out with all the deleted scenes added up.

[Ferox13]

Thanks for fixing my vid, V!

[ChronoGrl]

I should be angry, but I am not. :p

Go watch it once more in the theaters before the BD comes out with all the deleted scenes added up.

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[roshiq]

After watching the movie last night for the first time, I've just finishing reading this whole thread. Man...you guys completely amazed me! How freaking beautifully you (particularly Ferox, CG & Posher) pointed out all those plot-holes, little flaws & questions and even more fascinatingly how V came up with all his answers & assumptions with much logic & sense!! The voices of true fans!! Kudos guys, always glad to have friends like you.

Unless the explanation which I provided earlier - either they are siblings of humans, or they are an advanced, evolved or mutated version of humans. Maybe the Engineers are how humans would develop and evolve into, in the distant future.

This adds to my theory of Engineers being an example of human evolution in the future. And it could also explain why the Engineers resembled humans so much in outward appearance.

The look of the Engineers was clear - they were shown to be a superior race than man, a "super-man" or super being of sorts, hence the close resemblance to humans, yet the super-sized, beefy, body structure. I wonder if the title Prometheus refers to them now, instead of the humans - the ones who stole the "fire from the gods" (ability to give life) and now, pursued to be prosecuted/punished by "the gods", are forced to take their "gift" away.

Anyway, I think I can't add more what you have discussed so far, pretty much agree with V's assumption about the Engineers. They have somehow managed to grab the great substance or somewhat a key to the "secret of life" thing on their hand & then did some bio-weaponry sort of experiments that resulted some unpredictable or unwanted outcomes. The thing is it can go either way, as V said, they can be an evolved or mutated version of humans from future or a different & superior sort of intelligent race/creatures that may (as in the opening part) or may not have something to do with creation of human life on earth. But I like to guess they aren't exactly the main or only source of life in universe; more likely an intelligent humanoid creature trying to play God more successfully than human or any other life form ever did before. But yeah...the original leaked script clearly indicates that they are the sole creator of human life; so question is whether Scott & Co. follow that path or put everything into more darker & religious tone in the next phase.

Btw, I saw the film on a superb quality pirated dvd that I rented from my nearby store. Most probably they just downloaded a recent dvd relase-copy (& then copied it into the discs) which got that above "deleted" Weyland confronting Engineer scene. :)

[roshiq]

So that they didn't disturb the air/atmosphere inside the pyramid? Remember the balance of the ante room being shifted when the humans entered it?

Just for a curiosity, do you think that atmosphere changing inside the pyramid has something to do with or somehow caused the Silica-storm outside? As I far I can recall both the event occurred consecutively or probably simultaneously.


Obviously the alien squid was inside the surgical chamber. It was taken out of Shaw (and possibly stored in a container or something) and it grew into large proportions, just like the original Alien xenomorph. My grudge with this is something else - upon detecting an alien being which came from Shaw's abdomen, the computers of the ship should have quarantined it immediately. Either this facility was not present in that surgical pod, or the computers failed to recognise it as an alien being, seeing as how it came out from a human's body. But still, it was a glaring flaw in the continuity, since we are led to believe that the technology of that time was very, very ahead, almost on par with Alien's timeline.


Totally agree with you on this part and the funny thing is when Shaw switch on that med-pod, the voice module part of it says (something like) the med-pod is only programmed to do operation(s) on male patients. WTF?? Why only male-patients? There's 3 important members in this whole project are women; so why they didn't install/have one for them? Or how come a such advanced futuristic-surgery machine is only made for male-patients? Let's assume (as I have little knowledge on surgery or medical things), for the complication part, they made separate med-pods for male & female patients. Then where's the other one for the female crews of the ship? Was it the one that was in Ms. Vickers' chamber? Then it might make some sense, assuming Shaw didn't know that or dared to go into Meredith's chamber at that point of time.

I also found the scene when David mixed that drop of substance into Holloway's drink quite lame! Cause Holloway should have clearly seen that & at least should have rejected the drink or complain about putting his finger on it.:D It was kinda poorly done, the thing should have noticed. I think it'd done better if David put the substance quickly on the bottle instead of glass as soon as he opened the bottle to fill the glass & that can be done without any attention from Holloway.

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whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine... noooooooooooooooooo... answer my queeeeeeeestionnnnnnnnn

Nope, that scene was not there in the theatrical version.


Anyway, I think I can't add more what you have discussed so far, pretty much agree with V's assumption about the Engineers. They have somehow managed to grab the great substance or somewhat a key to the "secret of life" thing on their hand & then did some bio-weaponry sort of experiments that resulted some unpredictable or unwanted outcomes. The thing is it can go either way, as V said, they can be an evolved or mutated version of humans from future or a different & superior sort of intelligent race/creatures that may (as in the opening part) or may not have something to do with creation of human life on earth. But I like to guess they aren't exactly the main or only source of life in universe; more likely an intelligent humanoid creature trying to play God more successfully than human or any other life form ever did before. But yeah...the original leaked script clearly indicates that they are the sole creator of human life; so question is whether Scott & Co. follow that path or put everything into more darker & religious tone in the next phase.

The Engineers are not "gods" themselves, but a far more advanced (you can say futuristic) and evolved species of humans - supermen, as I referred to them earlier. And yes, they found the key to creating life and then indulged in all sorts of development, including bio-weaponry. The Xenomorphs are the result of a series of developments/mutations on one side, while the evolution of mankind on the other. One more thing has struck me in the meantime - the opening scene of the film doesn't necessarily have to be on Earth, it could be any planet capable of supporting multi-cellular life (possibly RBC-based). Like the "supermen" resemble us, there's a pretty strong possibility that other races of "men" have developed on other planets as well, through the Engineers.

Btw, I saw the film on a superb quality pirated dvd that I rented from my nearby store. Most probably they just downloaded a recent dvd relase-copy (& then copied it into the discs) which got that above "deleted" Weyland confronting Engineer scene. :)

Lucky. I am still waiting for the official release, while having watched the film in the theater 12 times till now.

Just for a curiosity, do you think that atmosphere changing inside the pyramid has something to do with or somehow caused the Silica-storm outside? As I far I can recall both the event occurred consecutively or probably simultaneously.

Possibly. But LV-223's atmosphere was already dotted with plenty of electrically-discharging storms, as can be seen from space when Prometheus swings in to enter it's atmosphere.

The more interesting question is this - just when Prometheus is landing (or after it has just landed), for a moment when you see the circular pyramid in the distance, I could make out another circular pyramid similar to it some distance away behind the first one. I wonder what was that - one explanation could be that there are many pyramids such as the one which the crew entered, and each one serves as an entrance to the alien spaceship below. As David said "that wasn't the only spaceship".

The way the entire surface of the moon opened up when the alien spaceship was prepping to launch itself, makes me doubt if LV-223 wasn't an artificial moon in itself? Maybe an entire moon created by the Engineers to "harvest" their bioweapons?

Interesting possibilities, if you take that into the scheme of things.

Totally agree with you on this part and the funny thing is when Shaw switch on that med-pod, the voice module part of it says (something like) the med-pod is only programmed to do operation(s) on male patients. WTF?? Why only male-patients? There's 3 important members in this whole project are women; so why they didn't install/have one for them? Or how come a such advanced futuristic-surgery machine is only made for male-patients? Let's assume (as I have little knowledge on surgery or medical things), for the complication part, they made separate med-pods for male & female patients. Then where's the other one for the female crews of the ship? Was it the one that was in Ms. Vickers' chamber? Then it might make some sense, assuming Shaw didn't know that or dared to go into Meredith's chamber at that point of time.

Maybe it was custom-made for usage by Weyland only. Like Vickers said "it is a limited edition thing and costs a fortune". (which makes you wonder if Vickers also knew Weyland was onboard Prometheus, hiding away from the rest of the crew) Weyland being in the advanced stage (near to death condition) that he was, it could have been exclusively for him. There was no mention nor indications given throughout the film about a separate female surgery pod, and since Shaw ran to that pod only, it's safe to assume that it was the only surgery pod available on the ship.

I also found the scene when David mixed that drop of substance into Holloway's drink quite lame! Cause Holloway should have clearly seen that & at least should have rejected the drink or complain about putting his finger on it.:D It was kinda poorly done, the thing should have noticed. I think it'd done better if David put the substance quickly on the bottle instead of glass as soon as he opened the bottle to fill the glass & that can be done without any attention from Holloway.

Holloway was too drunk to notice, and too disappointed to think of anything else. The more important thing here is - when David opened/closed the bottle, he was bound to touch the bottle's surface with all his fingers (specially when closing the bottle). That should have caused the goo on the tip of his finger to have been smeared all over the bottle's surface. Another one of the mistakes in the film. Scott should have thought of this a lot more clearly.

[ChronoGrl]

Nope, that scene was not there in the theatrical version.



LOL! Thanks. :D

[Fearonsarms]

I finally saw this last night and I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed Prometheus. It really wasn't the film I expected it to be as I had extremely low expectations but it far exceeded them and was very thought provoking. Though it had a few flaws for me personally (the choice of actors/actresses, no Sigourney Weaver) for me they were outweighed by the good especially how there was no alien till the very end I thought that was a clever risk to take. I also loved the concept of the aliens being engineered to destroy humans and of the engineers as creators/destroyers in line with the Mayan/Sumerian mythologies referenced in the film. A huge thumb up from me.

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Merry Christmas in advance, folks. (Big Thanks to HDC-ian roshiq for the related link)

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/watch-14-minutes-of-deleted-footage-from-ridley-scotts-prometheus

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The Vatican’s official newspaper attacked Ridley Scott’s Prometheus, taking issue with the film’s premise about the origins of mankind and saying it is “a bad idea to defy the gods,” explains the Hollywood Reporter.

The film, which opened in Italy on Sept. 14, is about a team of explorers seeking to understand the origins of mankind on earth after discovering a series of clues left behind by ancient civilizations.

L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, said Prometheus “mishandles the delicate questions raised by … the battle eternal between good and evil in yet another attempt to steak the secret of immortality.” The newspaper also said that “the journey of Prometheus should instead symbolize the search for the supernatural,” referring to the original hero of Greek mythology who is said to have created man from clay.

Prometheus, now on iTunes, releases on Blu-ray and DVD October 9.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/vatican-newspaper-prometheus-criticism-373429

[Ferox13]

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[Angra]

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Funny.

[masterj]

My honest opinion about this film:
Prometheus has good special effects, really nice CGI, but very weak story and some really bad acting especially from secondary characters (like the "pissedoff" guy). Why the hell he was so pissed from the beggining? It looked so fake and exaggerated :( Also there was almost zero prestory to each character so we could actually like them or really hate them.

Near the end ship captain decides to blow alien (or gods or engineers or whatever) ship apart by sacrificing his ship. It supposed to look like heroic moment right? I don't know why but it didn't feel right... Whole crew onboard died but I didn't give a damn about them... I didn't care about captain, his two companions and all the others on the ship. Most films give atleast some screen time to these characters so they could show us why they're heroic, sad, lucky, bad, angry... How they became so-and-so (ideal example to me would be Armageddon - I actually cared about every single died crew member!).

Also, why the heck they choose GUY PEARCE over real old actor??? His character felt so unnatural and fake. I think now I understand why I like older movies better than newer ones. There were much less fakeness in them: real explosions, real old actors, real young actors, real fire, real car crashes...

Oh, and one more thing... David (Michael Fassbender) was the most likeable character in this film. I mean he was android but actually felt like he was the only real human in this spaceship. I don't know about others here, but I really liked him and he was the only character that I cared about at the end of this film.

So all in all this film felt like a fastforward cassette with too much cutoff content. I'd give prometheus something like 5/10 just because of FX and David, but that is not enough for me to watch this film again.

Sorry if you liked this film but each person has his own opinion here.

P.S> English isn't my primary language and I know that I did a lot of errors in this text so please don't be hatin' ;)

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My honest opinion about this film:
Prometheus has good special effects, really nice CGI, but very weak story and some really bad acting especially from secondary characters (like the "pissedoff" guy). Why the hell he was so pissed from the beggining? It looked so fake and exaggerated :( Also there was almost zero prestory to each character so we could actually like them or really hate them.

Secondary characters were a bit weakly developed than the main characters. That's a flaw in the script, and I blame the scriptwriter more than the director. As for the "pissed off" scientist, he was a foreigner and distinctly gave off the vibe of "I don't like Americans, and I don't like American corporate honchos. I am just here for the cheque." Guess he didn't like the Weyland company much.

You don't need much of a pre-story to like/hate a character. There wasn't much offered in Alien either, neither in Aliens. All had pretty strong, likeable characters.


Near the end ship captain decides to blow alien (or gods or engineers or whatever) ship apart by sacrificing his ship. It supposed to look like heroic moment right? I don't know why but it didn't feel right... Whole crew onboard died but I didn't give a damn about them... I didn't care about captain, his two companions and all the others on the ship. Most films give atleast some screen time to these characters so they could show us why they're heroic, sad, lucky, bad, angry... How they became so-and-so (ideal example to me would be Armageddon - I actually cared about every single died crew member!).

Not much of a crew was left in the Prometheus by then. The captain only had two of his pilots with him, and he gave them the option of jumping ship. And they both declined it and chose to stay with him till the end. The only other person on the ship, Meredith Vickers, ejected out through a pod.


Also, why the heck they choose GUY PEARCE over real old actor??? His character felt so unnatural and fake. I think now I understand why I like older movies better than newer ones. There were much less fakeness in them: real explosions, real old actors, real young actors, real fire, real car crashes...

They chose him because they had long scenes of a young Weyland in the original script by Jon Spaihts (which was later changed quite a bit in the rewrites by Lindelof). A viral video depicting young Weyland was also shot for the promo campaign preceding the release. And there are assumptions being made that the sequel will have scenes of young Weyland added into it as flashbacks, so that's the reason.


Oh, and one more thing... David (Michael Fassbender) was the most likeable character in this film. I mean he was android but actually felt like he was the only real human in this spaceship. I don't know about others here, but I really liked him and he was the only character that I cared about at the end of this film.

On the contrary, David quite clearly had a hidden agenda throughout the film, and gave off hints that he might not be faithful even to his creator, Weyland, as well. Wait for the DVD release with all the deleted scenes which will make things clearer. He is a distinct anti-hero of the piece.


So all in all this film felt like a fastforward cassette with too much cutoff content. I'd give prometheus something like 5/10 just because of FX and David, but that is not enough for me to watch this film again.

The rewrites did leave a lot of questions unanswered, but most answers are provided in the film itself, if watched carefully. I think the uncut version (or possibly the director's cut version) will give all of us a clearer picture of Ridley Scott's vision of Prometheus. He himself is not satisfied with the finished product, specially the reaction from the fans. That's why he's promised to redeem himself in the sequel. We might see a lot of our unsolved queries answered in Prometheus 2. Meanwhile, get the DVD/Blu-Ray with all those added deleted scenes (worth an extra 40 minutes).

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Ridley Scott says 'questions will be answered' with 'Prometheus' Blu-ray

"Prometheus" fans (and haters) may finally be getting some answers.

The details of the U.S. DVD and Blu-ray release of the Ridley Scott film were revealed this week.

Buyers will have two versions to choose from: A 2-disc Blu-ray with extra features or a 4-disc collector’s edition packed with even more extra features.

The latter includes both the 2D and 3D versions, plus separate DVD and digital copies of the film, and a treasure trove of extras that Scott promises that "questions will be answered."

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http://www.hitfix.com/news/ridley-scott-says-questions-will-be-answered-with-prometheus-blu-ray

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And now for a WTF moment -



Wait...




Hold your breath...




Okay, here we go...




Prometheus shares a link with...




(nobody would have guessed it)




(although fans might have a faint stirring of this)




BLADE RUNNER!!!




Apparently, included as part of the U.K. steelbook release of "Prometheus," a pretty interesting easter egg can be found (see below). In short, it's a memo from Peter Weyland that seems to suggest that his mentor was none other than Eldon Tyrell.
As you know, he was the head of the Tyrell Corporation in "Blade Runner" who created the false memory replicants in the film.
And the references in the memo of this unnamed man looking out from a "pyramid" in the "City Of Angels" make it pretty obvious what this is all about.


http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/8b/f24ea00fe011e2b9e522000a1d0930/file/prometheus-easter-egg.jpeg



Yes, a big WHOA! moment for all fans of both franchises, including yours truly, who is still trying to gather his jaw from the floor.

Cheap one-time publicity gimmick, or adding up to something more? Your guess is as good as mine.


http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/does-prometheus-tie-into-blade-runner-now-too-20121006#

[Posher778]

What's up with dvd buyers getting ripped off to high heaven now? I guess they're trying to get rid of dvd and move completely to blu ray, but it's expensive, and I really wish the Prometheus dvd had something special on it other than just the generic stuff. Anyone know what the best edition of the film I can get on dvd is? I guess i'll try to buy a Bluray player closer to the holidays, but does the dvd at least have the 15 minutes of bonus footage?

[ferretchucker]

Bought the DVD today. Don't know if Reg 1 is different...but I got all of 6 alternate/deleted scenes...not including the alternate opening and ending.

[alkytrio666]

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/39474/#Review

$25 at Best Buy. Comes with a blu-ray AND a DVD (and a 3D blu-ray, but who cares). Comes with all bonus features. 2 commentaries. THREE AND A HALF hour making of documentary. Deleted scenes. Etc. It's a twenty-five dollar investment and you'll have something now and something for when you get a blu-ray player.

[Posher778]

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/39474/#Review

$25 at Best Buy. Comes with a blu-ray AND a DVD (and a 3D blu-ray, but who cares). Comes with all bonus features. 2 commentaries. THREE AND A HALF hour making of documentary. Deleted scenes. Etc. It's a twenty-five dollar investment and you'll have something now and something for when you get a blu-ray player.


So all the best special features are blu ray, but the dvd still has the extended cut right?

[alkytrio666]

None of the versions has the extended cut. There is no extended cut. They both have deleted/extended scenes, though. Scott has said in interviews that he sincerely considers the theatrical cut to be his "director's vision", and as someone who is particularly picky with censors and limitations, he loves the version showed in theaters.

[Posher778]

None of the versions has the extended cut. There is no extended cut. They both have deleted/extended scenes, though. Scott has said in interviews that he sincerely considers the theatrical cut to be his "director's vision", and as someone who is particularly picky with censors and limitations, he loves the version showed in theaters.


Oh I was under the impression that the dvd was going to have those scenes added in. Fair enough. I'll buy it. Cool cover

[_____V_____]

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Prometheus-3D-Blu-ray/39474/#Review

$25 at Best Buy. Comes with a blu-ray AND a DVD (and a 3D blu-ray, but who cares). Comes with all bonus features. 2 commentaries. THREE AND A HALF hour making of documentary. Deleted scenes. Etc. It's a twenty-five dollar investment and you'll have something now and something for when you get a blu-ray player.

What alky said. That there is the best release of Prometheus yet.

And yes, the deleted scenes have not been added directly to the existing film, per se. They can be viewed separately.

A super bunch of bonus materials added too, as well. Sweet! Can't wait till it gets released over here. (since Amazon doesn't accept my card)

[ImmortalSlasher]

(and a 3D blu-ray, but who cares).

The movie was filmed in 3D. That is how it's supposed to be seen.

[alkytrio666]

The movie was filmed in 3D. That is how it's supposed to be seen.

I should have clarified. I do care. Prometheus is the best 3D movie I have seen to date. My point in this situation was that since Posher doesn't have a blu-ray player and is already on the fence about that, a 3D blu-ray probably means nothing to him. I was trying to emphasize that even if the 3D blu is never used the edition is still worth the money.

[ImmortalSlasher]

I should have clarified. I do care. Prometheus is the best 3D movie I have seen to date. My point in this situation was that since Posher doesn't have a blu-ray player and is already on the fence about that, a 3D blu-ray probably means nothing to him. I was trying to emphasize that even if the 3D blu is never used the edition is still worth the money.

Oh. Well I use a PS3 it's not expensive for what you are getting.

[_____V_____]

we attended the Blu-ray release event for “Prometheus,” Ridley Scott’s return to both the sci-fi genre and the “Alien” franchise, which was met with more bemusement than amusement by audiences this summer.

Now that it’s been released into the wilds of people’s living rooms, “Prometheus” has an opportunity to take on a second life, free from the ramped-up expectations of rabid fans who wanted more chestbursting facehuggery but wound up with a strange brew of existential angst and Lovecraftian creepy crawlies.

Though there’s been talk of a sequel, the man who has more sway than Ridley Scott himself in that department is the Blu-ray’s producer Charles De Lauzirika, whose content-packed disc (including a 3+ hour doc titled “The Furious Gods”) promises that “questions will be answered.”

...

Besides some blooper footage of star Noomi Rapace fumbling with her egg-shaped space helmet, the set also includes a multitude of deleted scenes that shed light on some of the pesky questions that had some folk scratching their heads once “Prometheus” reached its open-ended conclusion. These scenes include an expanded opening in which the statuesque alien sacrifices himself by drinking the black goo, which now feels much more like a Teutonic ritual with added alien shamans. There’s also an expanded ending in which Elisabeth Shaw (Rapace) learns that her not-so-gracious hosts were piloting their croissant-shaped ship to an alien Valhalla they call Paradise.

Lauzirika shot seven terabytes of footage from the conceptual period when “Prometheus” was still “a proper ‘Alien’ prequel” prior to skewing off into “Prometheus,” through the movie’s mixed reception in theaters. For him it was a dream come true.


More details here - http://www.film.com/dvd/prometheus-blu-ray-interview

[_____V_____]

Interesting.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g12/ravenavi/GooDetails.jpg

[Ferox13]

Indeed :-)

Is that official or fanart?

[_____V_____]

Official.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=338175742946156&set=a.173959156034483.37865.111092022321197&type=1

[MichaelMyers]

Watching Prometheus for the first time later this week when it comes out on PPV. Expectations are riding the highest they have for a movie in a long time, thanks in part to V.

[_____V_____]

Watching Prometheus for the first time later this week when it comes out on PPV. Expectations are riding the highest they have for a movie in a long time, thanks in part to V.

Don't set the bar of your expectations too high, and wait to expect a prequel of sorts to Alien. Watch it as a standalone film, or as a spinoff based on the same. You will appreciate it more for what it is.

Happy viewing.

[leezuki]

i enjoyed this movie more than i thought i would. so many people put it down so i did not have high expectations for the movie. like v said i think it was a better movie if you dont link it with the alien movie, personally i recon it should have been a stand alone movie.

[_____V_____]

Screenwriter Jon Spaihts On The Prometheus That Never Was

With Prometheus out on Blu-ray today, Empire spoke to the man behind the original script for Ridley Scott's sci-fi epic, Jon Spaihts, about how he originally envisaged the prequel-cum-franchise reboot.

Read on to find out more about the evolution of the xenomorphs - crab-like aliens, anyone? - Scott's creepy crawly collection and David forcibly attaching a facehugger onto Shaw's fizzog.

I don't believe my draft has been released into the world. There was talk for a while about my final draft being included in the Blu-ray release of the film. But I've recently heard that there are legal complications around that and it may not be happening. So I talk a bit on the Blu-ray about the creative process, but I'm not sure the draft is on there.

I had gone into Scott Free for a general meeting, because they'd liked a script of mine. Late in the meeting, the head of the company brought up the notion of an Alien prequel and asked if I had any thoughts on it. I hadn't prepared for that and hadn't developed a story, but I found in the moment that I had a lot of opinions about it.

...

The medpod sequence is one of the reasons I got the job in the first place. It's one of my favourite scenes and it's visually realised in an extraordinary way.

One of the things I realised was that we hadn't seen anyone survive a classic Alien chest bursting. And I was really intrigued by the notion that a character might be infected by the parasite and know that it was coming, know they had a timeframe of a few hours, and that we would have set up previously a nearly omnipotent medical device, designed to extend life for explorers in foreign places. Our heroine would have a short time to get to the machine and extract the thing inside her. It was a very gory sequence and it plays out very much like the sequence in the film. The main difference is in choreography. At the end of the sequence as I first conceived it, the heroine manages to get the creature extracted from her and it is expelled from the pod and she's sealed inside, whereas in the final film it goes the other way.

Then she lapses in and out of consciousness for a number of hours as the machine puts her back together. As she comes back to consciousness, she sees the thing growing in the cabin outside and even killing people. So by the time she emerges from the pod eight hours later, the thing is abroad in the ship and big enough to be a huge danger. That was the original conception of the medpod scene.

As for how she recovers from her surgery so fast - well, it was more of a protracted process in my original notion. My script underwent a number of major evolutions as we were working on it, and then Damon came in and made further changes still. But that sequence and its place in the story was one of the anchors.

...

I wrote five different drafts of the script, working with Ridley very closely over about nine months. And even as we were working, we were constantly toying with the closeness of the monsters in the film to the original xenomorph.

And so he was always pushing for some way in which that Alien biology could have evolved. We tried different paths in that way. We imagined that there might be eight different variations on the xenomorphs - eight different kinds of Alien eggs you might stumble across, eight kinds of slightly different xenomorph creatures that could hatch from them. And maybe even a rapid process of evolution, still ongoing, in these Alien laboratories where these xenomorphs were developed. So Ridley and I were looking for ways to make the xenomorphs new.

...

The creature did change in some pretty dramatic ways from draft to draft. But the most dramatic change was the removal of the xenomorph from the film. That was a shift that happened at the same time as I stepped off the film. A lot of that push came from the studio very high up; they were interested in doing something original and not one more franchise film. That really came to a head at the studio - the major push to focus on the new mythology of Prometheus and dial the Aliens as far back as we could came down from the studio.

So one of Damon's major jobs when he came onboard was to replace the menaces of the xenomorphs with other things. Largely the other menaces in the film were present in my drafts as well - there was a black mutagenic compound that could change people in unpredictable way, Fyfield did morph into a monster and become a real danger in his own right, and of course the Engineers, the Space Jockeys, proved to be terribly dangerous creatures. In my draft, as well, we did resurrect one and he tore off David's head. Much of the mayhem of the final film was present in the drafts I wrote, but the xenomorphs were the major change, as well as the stockpiling of this black liquid as opposed to Alien eggs.

I did have facehuggers in my original draft. David, as he began to get fascinated by the science of the Engineers, doesn't deliberately contaminate Holloway with a drop of black liquid. Instead, Holloway hubristically removes his helmet in the chamber, is knocked unconscious, facehugged and wakes up not knowing what had been done to him, and stumbles back into the ship. In my draft, he returns to his cabin, is embraced by Shaw, who is delighted to see him having feared that he had died, and the two of them make love. And it's while they're making love that he bursts and dies. So that lovemaking sequence echoed my original lovemaking sequence where he explodes! It was messy.

Subsequently, David, fascinated by these creatures, begins delaying the mission and going off the reservation on his own, essentially because he thinks he really belongs with the Engineers. They're smart enough and sophisticated enough, great enough, to be his peers. He's harboring a deep-seated contempt for his human makers. So at one point Shaw goes to stop him and David ties her up and deliberately exposes her to a facehugger. He caresses an egg open and out comes a facehugger. David doesn't smell like a person - his breath isn't moist - so he can handle the thing like a kitten. It doesn't want him; it's not interested. But then he exposes it to her and it goes for her like a shot. He toys with her for a bit and then lets it take her. That, in my draft, was how Shaw was implanted with the parasite that she had to remove with the medpod sequence.

...

In my draft David was a little more bloody-handed and the scene with his betrayal was a little more baroque.

I left the two of them on the surface of that planetoid. It was plain that David and Shaw were going to have to work together and deal with one another if they were to survive. That one shot of the ship taking off in the finished film really focuses you on a particular outcome, whereas my ending was much more open as to what was going to happen next. But it was very much about this shattered android and this scarred woman being left with no-one but each other to carry on with.

I did have a plan for multiple films and the conversations I had with Ridley was about a new franchise, from the beginning. We talked about a possible trilogy, or a duology, but more often as a trilogy. And I did have pretty broad notions as to how we were going to get from this world to the original Alien - the baton pass, closing the circle, if you will. So yes, I did have plans for two other films. I came up with an even more twisted sequence than the Medpod, but I cannot tell you what happens...

My vision of the trilogy would have involved the arrival of the Yutani Company and a couple of other major plays around the Engineers themselves: the revelation of an additional grand Engineer design, and the possibility of seeking an Engineer homeworld. That shot of the ship flying at the end offers a lot of creative ways to play with this. But it feels like it brackets you into the search for the Engineer homeworld and home civilisation. That's an interesting challenge.


http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563

[ImmortalSlasher]

That screenwriter interview is pretty good. Prometheus is easily better than Alien 3, 4, and those vs movies. It does have flaws because the story is setup to be multiple films. Where the original Alien could be seen as one movie even with all the unanswered questions. I can't wait to see how Ridley Scott integrates Blade Runner with the Alien world. As right now Prometheus is in far better shape than the Star Wars prequels, Star Trek reboot, and Tron sequel.

[MichaelMyers]

I have now seen the film. As I noted last week, my expectations when the film began were quite high, due to V's extensive coverage of Prometheus on horror.com. This was a strong movie. It is truly a visual feast, as others here have noted. I particularly enjoyed the first two kills, and of course the climactic battle. I was not distracted by its tie-ins/compatibility with the Alien series, since I am not a huge fan of that franchise. Perhaps that helped: it is the best horror film I have seen released so far this year. I do have a quibble, and a query.

First, I do not believe David is a plausible AI. I do not see how he can have some human traits (the ability to manipulate, for example) and not others (want/desire). I felt that his capacity for agency was fitted too much to the demands of the plot. The same might be said, to give an obvious example, of HAL, but HAL was limited in a way David was not.

Second, at the risk of asking a dumb question: why did the sole surviving alien want to kill the humans? Perhaps I'm missing something here. But I thought the aliens had changed their minds about destroying Earth, so why kill the crew?

[Ferox13]

I never noticed this at the time (I saw this posted elsewhere) but what the Engineer consumes at the start looks very different from the goo in the chamber:

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/6025/goor.jpg

Also the bottom of the Mural shows waht looks like a facehugger:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1528/muralfh.jpg

[_____V_____]

I can't wait to see how Ridley Scott integrates Blade Runner with the Alien world.

I think it's just extended viral marketing to keep the interest in the franchise going, now that they have announced two more sequels to Prometheus.

I do have a quibble, and a query.

First, I do not believe David is a plausible AI. I do not see how he can have some human traits (the ability to manipulate, for example) and not others (want/desire). I felt that his capacity for agency was fitted too much to the demands of the plot. The same might be said, to give an obvious example, of HAL, but HAL was limited in a way David was not.

The earlier viral marketing clip of David explains this aspect. He shares a lot of common traits with normal humans, even emotions. Yes, he even emotes. The viral clip had him weeping at one point.

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That's why Weyland proudly presents David to the Engineer in that climactic scene, proclaiming himself as a God as well - "we are both creators, we are both gods".

Second, at the risk of asking a dumb question: why did the sole surviving alien want to kill the humans? Perhaps I'm missing something here. But I thought the aliens had changed their minds about destroying Earth, so why kill the crew?

The Engineers had wanted to destroy the humans for awhile. That's the reason why the craft's pre-destined co-ordinates were set for Earth, and that's why the Engineer cranked up the engines for the craft - to fly to Earth and extinguish mankind.

Why? Ridley Scott has hinted to that in many of his interviews, and it concerns our treatment of Jesus, whom Scott refers to as an Engineer.

But I do feel like, embedded in this movie are the fundamental ideas behind why it is the Engineers would want to wipe us out. If that's the question that you're asking. The movie asks the question, were we created by these beings? And it answers that question very definitively. But in the wake of that answer there's a new question, which is, they created us but now they want to destroy us, why did they change their minds? That's the question that Shaw is asking at the end of this movie, the one that she wants answered. I do think that there are a lot of hints in this movie that we give you quite and educated guess as to why. But obviously not to the detriment of what Shaw might find when she goes to talk to these things herself.

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Lets' send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him."

Read this - http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-lingering-prometheus-questions-answered

Prometheus 2 might be able to answer that a bit more clearly, because that's the precise reason why Shaw flew to the Engineer's home planet, which David described as "Paradise".

Now that you have seen the film, MichaelMyers, this is for you :-

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/11-questions-answered-by-ridley-scott-s-prometheus-commentary/why-is-the-ship-called-prometheus

I never noticed this at the time (I saw this posted elsewhere) but what the Engineer consumes at the start looks very different from the goo in the chamber:

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/6025/goor.jpg

Yes, it's different. Because it's a weapon of mass creation.

Also the bottom of the Mural shows waht looks like a facehugger:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1528/muralfh.jpg

Sort of reminds you of the climactic battle, doesn't it? It either depicts the creation of the ultimate killing machine, or it is a depiction of possibly (several) such scenes similar to the climactic battle on the planets on which the Engineers have created life.

[_____V_____]

Quentin Tarantino's opinion of Prometheus:-

"On one hand... it was actually kind of cool to see a big deal, serious science-fiction epic by a director like Ridley Scott," he said. "Overall the experience was pretty cool having seen it."

"But there was also a lot of dumb stuff in it," Tarantino said with emphasis. "When it got to the point where they're on another planet and then a space cobra literally shows up, opens up its hood and the guy who's in charge of alien creatures goes, [adopts girlish dumb voice] 'Hey, little fella! How ya doin??' I was like, uhhhhh.... It's a space cobra!"

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/quentino-tarantino-says-prometheus-was-kind-of-dumb-explains-why-inglourious-basterds-wasnt-a-mini-series-20130102?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed

[ImmortalSlasher]

Quentin Tarantino's opinion of Prometheus:-



http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/quentino-tarantino-says-prometheus-was-kind-of-dumb-explains-why-inglourious-basterds-wasnt-a-mini-series-20130102?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed

Tarantino is right. But I think the flaws are because of the Lost writer. I downloaded both scripts. I haven't read them yet but I will eventually. At least the guy is off the sequel. I don't know why Ridley Scott didn't catch some of these while making the movie. Maybe he did and the movie could have been a lot worse.

[Straker]

Figured I would post my review here, since I was so disappointed in this one....

Prometheus: Total shower of shit.... I think this one got lost somewhere up its own asshole at around the 10 minuite mark. The dialogue was a fuckin joke the character development was piss poor. For the most part I didnt understand any of the characters motivation or more importantly why I was supposed to give a fuck. It really felt like an exercise in how not to make a film. As a horror fan I'm kinda use to cheesy dialouge and characters doing dumb shit but really, this was just total horse shit.

I really wish Ridley would've listened to one of the many bullshit lines that came out of this movie and thrown this one in the bin: "Sometimes you have to destroy in order to create".

How could they have made this movie better? Easy! Opening scene where Weyland turns up and explains whats going on, midway through that scene he pulls out a sports almanac and waves it at the crew; "You see this book? This book tells the future. Tells the results of every major sports event till the end of this century..."

[MichaelMyers]

Figured I would post my review here, since I was so disappointed in this one....

Prometheus: Total shower of shit.... I think this one got lost somewhere up its own asshole at around the 10 minuite mark. The dialogue was a fuckin joke the character development was piss poor. For the most part I didnt understand any of the characters motivation or more importantly why I was supposed to give a fuck. It really felt like an exercise in how not to make a film. As a horror fan I'm kinda use to cheesy dialouge and characters doing dumb shit but really, this was just total horse shit.

I really wish Ridley would've listened to one of the many bullshit lines that came out of this movie and thrown this one in the bin: "Sometimes you have to destroy in order to create".

How could they have made this movie better? Easy! Opening scene where Weyland turns up and explains whats going on, midway through that scene he pulls out a sports almanac and waves it at the crew; "You see this book? This book tells the future. Tells the results of every major sports event till the end of this century..."

V, what is your response to this violently negative review?

[_____V_____]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It is not a perfect film and has it's more than fair share of flaws, so anyone who has a high regard of Ridley Scott will ultimately end up disappointed with it. Scott raised his own bars with Alien and Blade Runner, so it's definitely a letdown by Scott's standards.

I can only hope that somewhere out there, a longer, uncut edition of the film exists which explains a bit about these flaws. Most of the deleted scenes do give a better idea of the film (I suggest everyone who hasn't watched the film yet, to please do so with the deleted scenes) so I am guessing a lot of stuff got left on the editing table, or was simply not filmed from the original script treatment of Spaihts, for fear of making the film unnecessarily too long. (Fox would never have approved it, no idea how much Scott was involved this time).

They better redeem themselves with Paradise. Or Scott will lose any remaining credibility, much like John Carpenter today.

[Straker]

I want to add that I'm a huge fan of Alien, Blade Runner & Black Hawk Down, along with a bunch of other Scott films. Its really just more a problem with the script and general plot lines that offended me. It's like noone involved in the movie ever just stopped and asked 'Why?'