Rob Zombie Yay or Nay

[leezuki]

This comes off the back of the AITH column. Is RZ a figure to be loathed, loved or tolerated?

For me, he's someone who loves horror movies, has delivered when being original but somehow fell into the remake/reimagine trap.

[The Villain]

He's only remade one movie and then did a sequel of that remake. I wouldn't say he's fallen into any traps. He was going to remake The Blob but decided to make his own original movie Lord's of Salem which is a much better idea. I personally like Zombie but he's limited as a director, he can really only make one kind of movie or at least that's all i've seen from him. Halloween was slightly different but he fell right back into his comfort zone with the dreadful H2. But i enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects was excellent. I'll have to see what he can do with his next film.

[Elvis_Christ]

Do you have a link to that column? I'd like to read it.

For me, he's someone who loves horror movies, has delivered when being original but somehow fell into the remake/reimagine trap.

Yeah he is much better when doing his own stuff. The Devil's Rejects really showed he was growing as a film maker and writer. I'm one of the few that enjoyed his Halloween flicks especially the second one. I don't think he would've really had much of a choice in being steered into the remake wagon as the majority of big studio output in recent years has been remakes. They make money so that's what will get green lighted. I think we'll see some great work from him in years to come. It's still early days really.

He's definitely a figure that's almost cool to hate. I've lost count of the amount of posts I've read over the years since House Of 1000 Corpses releases bagging on him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but it cracks me up how mentioning he sucks (along with remakes suck) is usually an opening line from a lot of noobs to the genre throw out there to try and gain some cred. It's so fucking sheepish.

Zombie's style is IMO handles the self reflexive style of cinema that draws from the past with more subtlety than say Tarantino's work. I didn't hear nearly as big of an uproar screaming "RIPOFF!!" upon the release of Kill Bill or Inglourious Basterds. Both those films more blatantly ripped off other films than either House Of 1000 Corpses or The Devil's Rejects ever did. But that's a whole other thread :p

...so to make a long story short I think he's one of the better directors in recent memory with a really distinct style. Miles ahead of the likes of Adam Green, James Wan and Eli Roth.

[neverending]

I think he started off at the top of his game and has been going downhill since then, kind of like M. Night Shamalayan (or however you spell that).

I didn't much like his Halloween films, I thought House of 1,000 Corpses was brilliant and Devil's Rejects a respectable sequel. I think he has a lot of potential to be unleasehed and we'll see more great work from him. Then again, a lot of modern horror directors started really strong and never reached the heights of their early offerings again- Carpenter, Dante, Hooper, Romero...

[TheWickerFan]

I really enjoyed the tales of the Firefly Clan and even enjoyed Halloween up until he escaped the mental institution. I think he has more good horror left in him.

If only Werewolf Women Of The S.S. became a reality.:(

[The Villain]

I really enjoyed the tales of the Firefly Clan and even enjoyed Halloween up until he escaped the mental institution. I think he has more good horror left in him.

If only Werewolf Women Of The S.S. became a reality.:(

Dont lose hope, they made Machete and Hobo With A Shotgun after all

[Despare]

I think he'll get better over time, he seems to learn very well. Even with his music he seemed to grow, recognize what wasn't working, and change accordingly. We'll see, for now I say yay.

[Elvis_Christ]

Even with his music he seemed to grow, recognize what wasn't working, and change accordingly.

I thought his music got worse as it went on to be honest. Everything after White Zombie was rubbish IMO.

[Despare]

I thought his music got worse as it went on to be honest. Everything after White Zombie was rubbish IMO.

He changed genres though, and then he slowly began to work back to what he had with a little bit of new influence. Educated Horses was a fine album IMO...

[Elvis_Christ]

I'll have to give Educated Horses a spin.

I want La Sexorcisto on LP so bad but fuck it's expensive. Kinda weird considering there's so many copies out there. I can understand the steep prices for the real early records. Guess I'll just have to save up and bite the bullet and get it one day :D

[leezuki]

i was never a fan of his music,but i think he has potential in movies.

[Scarebaby]

I make a point of avoiding him, along with Eli Roth.

[The Villain]

I make a point of avoiding him, along with Eli Roth.

You're missing out then. I think Eli Roth is pretty good too and shows a lot of potential.

[Fearonsarms]

I think on the basis of The Devil's Rejects he has shown a lot of potential its just unfortunate that his name is attached to the Halloween remakes.

[leezuki]

I think on the basis of The Devil's Rejects he has shown a lot of potential its just unfortunate that his name is attached to the Halloween remakes.

i thought halloween 1 was better than all the other remakes,but i did not have a clue where he was going with halloween 2.

[TheWickerFan]

You're missing out then. I think Eli Roth is pretty good too and shows a lot of potential.

Me too. I really enjoyed Cabin Fever and Hostel.

[The Villain]

Me too. I really enjoyed Cabin Fever and Hostel.

Me too, especially Hostel

[leezuki]

i love hostel movies,cabin fever 2 i have still not seen yet everyone keeps saying it's awful.

[The Villain]

i love hostel movies,cabin fever 2 i have still not seen yet everyone keeps saying it's awful.

Yeah it was. Really terrible but Eli Roth had nothing to do with that one.

[Deposable]

Yeah he is much better when doing his own stuff. The Devil's Rejects really showed he was growing as a film maker and writer. I'm one of the few that enjoyed his Halloween flicks especially the second one. I don't think he would've really had much of a choice in being steered into the remake wagon as the majority of big studio output in recent years has been remakes. They make money so that's what will get green lighted. I think we'll see some great work from him in years to come. It's still early days really.

...so to make a long story short I think he's one of the better directors in recent memory with a really distinct style. Miles ahead of the likes of Adam Green, James Wan and Eli Roth.
DISAGREEMENT !

Don't even get me started how much I disliked "Halloween II". The pointless hospital dream sequence, Mother & horse ghost, New child actor, Doctor Loomis character is Hollywood Elite. Teenage girls singing MC5..:rolleyes: I could go on & on.

Rob Zombie Sucks A Big Fat Cock List
1. Shitty Moon Zombie - Putting his wife in lead Roles. Despite the fact everyone know she is the worst actress on the planet. The Yoko Ono effect. You can see Rob thinking "FUCK ! I killed you in the first one... what can I do to get you into the Sequel "
2. Unbelievable Dialogue - All his characters seem white trash with over the top personalities. His characters fill in awful dialogue with cursing, they sound ignorant & unbelievable.
3. Overkill. Since his movies lack depth & plot, Rob's main focus is on gore. The dramatic ways his characters die.
4. B-movie actors - We get it. You like the same movies we like. So use every washed up horror actor... Nothing original.
5. Halloween is a masterpiece - There is very few masterpieces in Horror. But most of us agree John Carpenters Halloween is one of them. Anyone remaking it is only doing us a disservice & not a true fan.

Furthermore, I think Eli Roth, James Wan, Lucky Mckee, are talented and have progressed the genre further. Rob Zombie is a gimmick.

[The Villain]

DISAGREEMENT !

Don't even get me started how much I disliked "Halloween II". The pointless hospital dream sequence, Mother & horse ghost, New child actor, Doctor Loomis character is Hollywood Elite. Teenage girls singing MC5..:rolleyes: I could go on & on.

Rob Zombie Sucks A Big Fat Cock List
1. Shitty Moon Zombie - Putting his wife in lead Roles. Despite the fact everyone know she is the worst actress on the planet. The Yoko Ono effect. You can see Rob thinking "FUCK ! I killed you in the first one... what can I do to get you into the Sequel "
2. Unbelievable Dialogue - All his characters seem white trash with over the top personalities. His characters fill in awful dialogue with cursing, they sound ignorant & unbelievable.
3. Overkill. Since his movies lack depth & plot, Rob's main focus is on gore. The dramatic ways his characters die.
4. B-movie actors - We get it. You like the same movies we like. So use every washed up horror actor... Nothing original.
5. Halloween is a masterpiece - There is very few masterpieces in Horror. But most of us agree John Carpenters Halloween is one of them. Anyone remaking it is only doing us a disservice & not a true fan.

Furthermore, I think Eli Roth, James Wan, Lucky Mckee, are talented and have progressed the genre further. Rob Zombie is a gimmick.

I agree with you completely. This is why i say he can only make one kind of movie and needs to stick to that. Although i disagree with you on him casting his wife. He can put her in every movie he does and in fact i hope he does just so i can look at her. :cool: She isnt the best actress in the world although i thought she was good in Devil's Rejects.

[leezuki]

i think he tries to hard.he needs to come up with something original of his own instead of remakes and copying other movies.

[The Villain]

i think he tries to hard.he needs to come up with something original of his own instead of remakes and copying other movies.

Once again, he's only made one remake. He's made 2 original movies and his own variation of a different movie as H2 cant really be called a remake. House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects stand out to me more then Halloween does. Every director is allowed a remake.

[GoreHound13]

Anyone who says nay to Rob Zombie clearly has a problem... House of 1000 Courpses, and if thats not proof enough then go watch The Devils Rejects, point proven.

[leezuki]

ok not disagreeing he is a good director but like house of thousand corpses when watching it was like i seen it all before,chainsaw masacre,and 50 other horror movies all rammed into one movie.

[johann]

House of 1000 Corpses- I liked this when I saw it in the theater but each time I watch it now I like it drastically less. The characters in the movie often get annoying and I don't like that it feels like I am watching a 2 hour version of one of his music videos.

The Devils Rejects- Loved this movie, one of the best of the last decade no doubt about it. Its one of the few recent horror movies I have seen that I really have nothing to complain about.

Halloween- I understand what he was going for with this, trying to show Myers childhood, creating the monster, blah blah blah. It was a good idea but it didn't work for me.

Halloween 2- absolute crap, possibly the worst movie I have ever seen. I can't think of any real redeeming quality in H2. I hated the whole white horse, talking to his mom attempt at going into his mind bs modern take on a franchise that doesn't need that type of spin or explanation. The same goes for Friday the 13th (a better remake, but I still have a few issues with it). H2 was bad to the point that I seriously might not see another movie of his ever.

[Elvis_Christ]

Furthermore, I think Eli Roth, James Wan, Lucky Mckee, are talented and have progressed the genre further. Rob Zombie is a gimmick.

Lucky Mckee has progressed the genre and is a great director for sure but Eli Roth and James Wan? No way. Their films are soulless garbage and fully represent the slump the genre is in.

[The Villain]

Lucky Mckee has progressed the genre and is a great director for sure but Eli Roth and James Wan? No way. Their films are soulless garbage and fully represent the slump the genre is in.

I wouldnt say soulless garbage. Thats a little harsh. I feel that Saw and Hostel helped kick start horror out of the slump it was in back when they came out. Just because Saw got raped of all its integrity doesnt change how strong that movie was. I see a lot of potential in them and i wouldnt call them masters of the genre or anything but they have contributed in a good way and i see a good future for both of them. Also i have to say i dont think Lucky McKee has really made anything of any merit at all except for Red and that was an adaptation anyway.

[leezuki]

i liked the saw movies, well the first 3, then like everything else they killed them off with all the followups.

[Uncle Squid]

After all is said and done, no one can argue that House of 1000 Corpses garnered a ton of attention to gore driven horror that would not have been otherwise made. And while the dialogue is sketchy at times, and the characters rely on profanity to get through their scenes, I can think of several directors who had similiar qualms.

John Carpenter's Halloween... "Totally" Dialogue was sketchy at best alot of the time.

Wes Craven's Nightmare On Elm Street... The acting of Nancy's mother was horrible.

Sean S. Cunningham's Friday The 13th... With the exception of Pamela Voorhies, the acting was shite.

All Im saying, in a nutshell, is that even the most iconic directors/movies have their flaws if youre looking for them. What makes movies have fans is the good they find in them. And in all of Rob Zombies movies, the special effects, lighting, sound, and yes gore are all pretty excellent.

[leezuki]

After all is said and done, no one can argue that House of 1000 Corpses garnered a ton of attention to gore driven horror that would not have been otherwise made. And while the dialogue is sketchy at times, and the characters rely on profanity to get through their scenes, I can think of several directors who had similiar qualms.

John Carpenter's Halloween... "Totally" Dialogue was sketchy at best alot of the time.

Wes Craven's Nightmare On Elm Street... The acting of Nancy's mother was horrible.

Sean S. Cunningham's Friday The 13th... With the exception of Pamela Voorhies, the acting was shite.

All Im saying, in a nutshell, is that even the most iconic directors/movies have their flaws if youre looking for them. What makes movies have fans is the good they find in them. And in all of Rob Zombies movies, the special effects, lighting, sound, and yes gore are all pretty excellent.

i know what u r saying, but i find there is something about rob zombies movies, that i find bland, he just dont rock my boat.i think he dont have enough suspense in his movies, to much full in your face if u know what i mean.like the older movies like halloween had a bit more suspence.i wont say he is a crap director, efects are good,but there is allways something missing from his movies.