Who killed horror

[feral cat]

CGI looks fantastic, but do you think it has taken away from the inventivness of the horror genre. i.e its a crap story but hey we will just add some mad CGI and the kids will love it!
Has there been a great CGI horror yet?
Remember when horror effects where lovingly crafted in workshops by speacial effects departments who put the heart and soul into it, is CGI Souless?

Feral Cat

[Steve_Hutchison]

CGI is part of the future of horror. When they learn to use it wisely and aquire new techniques, it'll work like a charm.

[Killer Clown#1]

People complain on how it takes away from the story but when I see a practical effect that looks fake it takes me away from the story because my mind is on the effect and how fake it looked. Cgi can only take away the story if it looks fake imo.

[feral cat]

Yeah dont get me wrong I have nothing against CGI like I said it can look realy impressive im just wondering if makes directers,screen writers etc lazy!
So far only LOTR (I know its not horror), has seemed to have got the blend of live action to CGI right, but that script was based on an existing classic book!

Feral Cat

[McDonnyDude666]

Originally posted by Steve_Hutchison
CGI is part of the future of horror. When they learn to use it wisely and aquire new techniques, it'll work like a charm.

Exactly, even though i love the old fashion techniques like American Werewolf in London used and Alien and Aliens but in some films cgi is necessary and great (Lord of the Rings) but if cgi is used badly it could ruin a horror films (alot of gore in JX was using bad cgi and Alien 3 dog alien looked quite badly done with cgi).

[jay o2 waster]

you wanna know who killed horror, the movie scream created the mtv popculture horror craze

[McDonnyDude666]

Come to think of it, I would say horror is dead more like its revived, lots of new horror films have come out this year and last year, which are not too bad, some rather good.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by jay o2 waster
you wanna know who killed horror, the movie scream created the mtv popculture horror craze


DING DING DING DING DING! I agree 100%.

That is exactly what I thought of when I saw the title of this post.

I didn't mind Scream (just the 1st one though), but you're right, the whole subgenre of popculture/horror/comedy got played out very quick. In my opinion there has barely been any good horror post-Scream. The only ones that jump to mind are Jeepers Creepers 1, Wrong Turn, 28 Days Later, Fvs.J, and the Dawn of the Dead remake. On the other hand, I can't even begin to count the number of shitty horror movies that's come out since then, so I'm not even going to try.

As for CGI, I am not a fan of it. I would much rather see some cheesy special effects than some cheesy CGI. Cheesy makeup and gore in a cheesy horror movie can make that movie very entertaining. On the other hand, cheesy CGI in a cheesy movie, just makes that movie suck. Period.

If the CGI is done well enough that I don't notice it, then I don't have any problem with it, but when you see something that looks like you could have made it on your computer, that's just lame. (See a movie called 'Infested' if you want to see the bottom of the CGI barrell.)

[Sam The Egg]

I did

[Steve_Hutchison]

If Scream is guilty for generating its subgenre, then so is Sixth Sense.

[feral cat]

M. Night Shalaman is a joker, sixth sense was not a good movie and then they got worse! That kid is a great actor and Bruce Willis is cool, but that movie was lame and since then unbreakable and signs where cinamatic low points to say the least! He puts his name above films like he's john carpenter or some one with years of movie history!
"They called me mr glass", they call you mr twat more like it!

Anyway I totaly agree with the fact that bad classic effects can be cool where as bad CGI is just plain bad!

Feral Cat

[XFeaRX]

I agree, Scream killed horror. But Scary Movie 1 (although entertaining) overkilled horror.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Steve_Hutchison
If Scream is guilty for generating its subgenre, then so is Sixth Sense.

Sixth Sense isn't horror though.


I don't even look at them on the same scale. M. Night Shamalan is an eerie suspense director. (I happen to think he's pretty good at what he does, but 'what he does' is NOT horror.) He tells ghost stories. Big difference. Just because there is something supernatural doesn't make it a horror movie. You don't consider the movie 'Ghost' with Patcirck Swayze and Demi Moore a horror movie do you?


Didn't think so.

[feral cat]

Hmm I would consider it a horror to have to sit through ghost!

sixth sense is as much a horror as say dark water, ghost movies are considerd horror! amyteville, haunted house, the others, the entity, 13 ghosts, house on haunted hill, rouge, all come under the broad umbrella of horror. just as bon jovi and marilyn manson come under the umbrella of rock!

Feral Cat

[bwind22]

So you do consider Ghost a horror film just because it has a ghost in it?


Hahaha! Please. I'm afraid I can no longer continue this conversation. If you can't see a HUGE difference between an eerie suspense film and a horror flick, then I'm not even gonna try...

Some ghost movies are horror, some are suspense, some are love stories. A ghost does not equal a horror film. It all depends on the movie itself. I know, for a fact, that every video store I've ever been in has had Sixth Sense, Signs, and Unbreakable under 'Suspense'.

P.S. Maybe the reason you think those movies suck is because you went into it expecting a horror film and then were dissappointed when you got an eerie thriller, thereby letting down your expectations. Hey, if I went in thinking it was horror, I would have been pretty down the movie, too.

[feral cat]

:) No I consider ghost a romantic comedy!!!

Im a film fan, not a pure horror fan so i dont go to any movie expecting anything until i've seen it!

Sixth sense is a horror film/thriller/supense/ghost movie Scream is a horror film/teen slasher!
Canibal holocayst is a mondo movie, dawn of... a zombie movie etc etc but they are all still sub genres of horror!!!!

When you go in the video store theres no eriee supense section now is there, theres a horror section!!!!!!!!

Im not saying any of these films are the same just they do come under horror.

You can consider m. night Shalaman great if you wish because thats your taste! Like wise I consider him shit cause its not my taste, life would not be so good if we all liked the same thing now would it!

films come under horror, drama , action etc. not all films in these massive genres have to be the same!

Feral Cat

[Plaguewind]

OK, what I'm about to say may sound boring, repetitive, maybe a bit pretentious, but here I go anyway...

First, about the actual topic... Hey, is horror really dead in the end? OK, I must admit there's an unbearable number of poppy hack and slash movies made for teenies coming out of late, which is horribly limitating at best... But there are always two or three quite laudable exceptions, don't you guys think?

Now, about what is or not a horror movie... Well, what's a horror movie anyway? I wouldn't say The Others, for example, can be said to be one... Simply because it relies more on suspense, on the fact that what comes next is unpredictable, its purpose is not necessarily to scare, even if it does have some pretty scary scenes... I guess the same could be applied to The Blair Witch Project (at least the first one), The Sixth Sense and lots of others...

By the way... The fact that there are no "eerie suspense" shelves doesn't mean much... There's a place that rents movies next to my house which put Idle Hands on the horror section... Do I need to say anything else?!?!

[Steve_Hutchison]

A movie can be horror, scifi, suspense and comedy, or a spoof at the same time.

[feral cat]

of cause Steves right many movies cross boundries which is cool as theres no need for movie apartide!

May I just add, I dont realy care what genre the sixth sense falls in, if its that important it can be an "eerie supense" and not a horror! So its not a s**t horror, its a s**t eerie supsense, so we are all happy bunnies now!

Talking of new horror does anyone know what "Switchblabe Romance" is about and if its any good?

Feral Cat

[Plaguewind]

Not really, but the title is suggesting...

[feral cat]

I saw it adverised in Bizzare magazine (http://www.bizarremag.com/), which is a pretty good offbeat Brittish magazine!

I think its French and the tagline is ... Hearts will bleed

Sounds promising, as the french do make a top movie now and then!

Feral Cat

[Plaguewind]

Talking about french ones... Did any of you see Love Bites?

[feral cat]

I think I did, but remind me what its about as I spend so much time watching obscure movies that I often forget titltes!

"The city of the lost children", is prob my fave french horror, that movie is just so beautifull to look at!

Feral cat

[hellfire1]

"maléfique" was pretty well done as well.

[Steve_Hutchison]

Have you guys seen the french movie Vidocq? It's worth watching.