A matter of choice...

[_____V_____]

You are standing at a street.

A few feet away from you, a vicious gang of 5-6 punks are beating a helpless man very savagely. The man is coughing up blood and bloodstains dot his clothes. He needs someone's help very quickly, or he might not have much time to live. The gang doesnt look like stopping anytime soon - maybe they are hellbent on beating him to death.

You take one step to help him, BUT...

At the same moment...

Across the street...

A young girl, probably 16-17 years old, has been overpowered by two nasty-looking men after getting a severe beating for trying to fight them off and for her resistance. One of whom has thrown her down and is in the process of ripping her clothes off. She is facing certain rape, and a very violent one at that. And she might not survive it.

Assuming that you are the only person, besides those listed above, in the entire area...

Who do you save?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

here comes a landslide victory.

I wouldn't save either though. If there was no risk involved if it was just like pick one and they would be transported home safe and sound, I would pick the girl.

he probably could have avoided it.

[ferretchucker]

Cell Phone, Police, Safe Distance.

I'm not gonna be able to save either by stepping in myself and as much as I care for fellow human beings, I'm not going to take a risk that big to save one. Phoning the police is the safest option for me.

[_____V_____]

What if you had something with you? Let's say...a baton or a umm...pocket knife?

[roshiq]

Assuming that you are the only person, besides those listed above, in the entire area...

Who do you save?

Firstly, I may probably pissed off by myself for what the hell I'm doing in such a fucked up area?

Then I'll join with the vicious gang and helped them to finish that man (who may be a criminal also) and as far the condition it'll take few moments and then I hope they will join/support me to save that girl from those lunatics:rolleyes:[:D]

[Papillon Noir]

Cell Phone, Police, Safe Distance.

I'm not gonna be able to save either by stepping in myself and as much as I care for fellow human beings, I'm not going to take a risk that big to save one. Phoning the police is the safest option for me.

Ditto.

I have no combat training and in either instance it would be at least two against one. Besides, you don't know what weapons they have.

[pinkfloyd45769]

I think i'm with FC..i'm not gonna scare these people..i'm probably smaller than the 16 year old.At the same time i'm thinking about saving the girl,shes young..the old man has lived a much longer life and it seems like the fair thing to me.I feel like a bad person now:(

[_____V_____]

Hmm....not what I was expecting but...maybe its not unexpected, either.

And I never mentioned he was an old man, Mags. He could be a young teen.

[ferretchucker]

What if you had something with you? Let's say...a baton or a umm...pocket knife?

If I did it'd only be for my defense if they suddenly attacked me. I'm not going down when I could just phone the police.

[_____V_____]

Assuming you dont have a cellphone, and the nearest police station is quite some distance away?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

What if you had something with you? Let's say...a baton or a umm...pocket knife?

still not enough, definitely not. I would need like bruce willis with me.

have you guys seen V's hands? that's why this "fear" is not rational to him.

[_____V_____]

True, MD.

Confronted with 2 very horrific crimes being committed right before my eyes, the last thing I would be thinking of is about saving my own skin.

Weapon or no weapon, training or no training.

If I were to choose, I d go and save the girl first. Its better odds (two against one), plus she's still (so far) pretty "un-damaged". If that's done, I d try for the guy. Maybe he wouldnt have survived till then (with all the time elapsed), but saving at least ONE of them when it could have been TWO dead in front of me...well, its much better than me running away/standing afar and letting my conscience kick me in the balls every moment of my life from that day onwards. Needless to say, I cant live with that.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

True, MD.

Confronted with 2 very horrific crimes being committed right before my eyes, the last thing I would be thinking of is about saving my own skin.


first thing I would think about is moving.

[_____V_____]

rofl...

Let's say this was just a test of...character?
Rational thinking works best when there's lots of time to spare. When there's no time, rationality goes out of the window.

For me at least. ;)

Only question left after that...to do or not to do? And which option will serve you in the long run.



If I modify the first post and alter it slightly like this...

Assuming that the man getting beaten to death is either your Dad or your son...

and

Assuming that the girl across the street about to be brutally and violently raped is your sister or daughter...

...what then?

Still sit back and call the police and wait?
Stand back because you lack the training and the weapons?


The equation changes quite drastically now, eh?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

then I run in like a maniac and hope for the best.

I wouldn't risk my life for someone I didn't know, dying sucks I don't want to die.

[_____V_____]

Rather live with two deaths (or even one death and one scarred for life) on your conscience for the rest of your life?

[ferretchucker]

True, MD.

Confronted with 2 very horrific crimes being committed right before my eyes, the last thing I would be thinking of is about saving my own skin.


But is your skin totally yours? You put yourself at risk for a stranger and die. It's a Possibility. Now who has to suffer? Not you, you're dead, but your wife, your family, your friends. Sure, they know you died a hero, but the fact is you still died when you could have lived.

And yes, if it all goes wrong and police don't turn up and they both die, at least you tried to do something. And you can help being the murderers to justice, and although the families and friends of those people suffer, but you don't know them. It sounds harsh but I for one would much rather have someone else's family suffer than my own.

[jenna26]

If I had a phone, I would definitely call the police first....because we ALL would have a better chance of survival.
But honestly, if I saw a young girl being violently raped? Weapon or not, I would probably lose my damn mind and do whatever I could to stop it (either immediately after the call, or if I didn't have access to a phone) and more than likely get my stupid ass killed. :rolleyes:

If it was someone I loved, there would be no hesitation at all.

[_____V_____]

Its not about being a hero, or dying.
Its about what is the right choice, and if you can live with the choice you made.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Rather live with two deaths (or even one death and one scarred for life) on your conscience for the rest of your life?

try a million deaths.

[_____V_____]

But those dont affect us, do they?
Not like in the way the situation above would, anyway.

[ferretchucker]

In my case the odds are that my intervening will result in three deaths, so the right choice is the one with the least fatalities. Possible none if the police do their jobs right.

[jenna26]

Its not about being a hero, or dying.
Its about what is the right choice, and if you can live with the choice you made.

The thing is, the situation you are describing, there is very LITTLE time to make a choice. And who is to say what's right and wrong? I am not sure there is a right and wrong in this kind of situation.
As FC mentioned, maybe it would be WRONG of me to leave my husband and family behind knowing that I died a violent death saving people I don't know. Maybe the guy being beat to death is someone that would be important to the world someday, while the girl is really a very bad person that will hurt the world more than she helps. What if you saved the girl, to only find that out later? Would your choice between the two be any less right then?
My reaction would just be that, a reaction, I wouldn't be able to think it through and come to a sound moral decision, I would just act....by calling the police and then jumping in.

[_____V_____]

True.

And because there is so little time, any decision one takes would make them feel like it was the right thing to do, AT THAT MOMENT. This is more of a conscience call than a moral or rational judgement, actually.

Different people react differently to the same situation. It all comes down to one thing - do you follow your heart or your mind when you are confronted with such a dilemma?

And which choice will ultimately be the best?

Mind you, this sort of thing is not entirely impossible out there in the world. If this were to be a real situation you are confronted with tomorrow morning, would you do the same which you wrote in here? Or would it be different?

[Posher778]

The girl, if I had to. She's younger, probably a lot more innocent. But this is assuming people actually do heroic things like you somehow think, which isn't very common. However, if I had a sniper rifle...

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Mind you, this sort of thing is not entirely impossible out there in the world. If this were to be a real situation you are confronted with tomorrow morning, would you do the same which you wrote in here? Or would it be different?

yes,

I hope my responses in this thread haven't ruined my mother theesa-esque image.

[_____V_____]

Its not about heroics at all.

Maybe a poll should be included with this thread...

[massacre man]

Both.

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics/equilibrium8.jpg

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Its not about heroics at all.

Maybe a poll should be included with this thread...

it is totally heroics.

[Freak]

I think you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other people as well.If you where the person being beating or raped and you saw someone standing there what would you want?

Would you say help me or run away and do nothing?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I think you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other people as well.If you where the person being beating or raped and you saw someone standing there what would you want?

Would you say help me or run away and do nothing?

I'm going to assume you know why that's stupid.

[jenna26]

Different people react differently to the same situation. It all comes down to one thing - do you follow your heart or your mind when you are confronted with such a dilemma?

And which choice will ultimately be the best?


I'm pretty sure I know myself well enough that I wouldn't follow my mind....:p
I'm also the kind of person that, if I survived and someone else didn't, I would feel guilt no matter what decision I made.

[ferretchucker]

Saving someone's life is heroic, isn't it? :confused:

[Freak]

I'm going to assume you know why that's stupid.

Because you say it is?

[_____V_____]

Poll added.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Poll added.

thanks for having the exact option I wanted.

[_____V_____]

I am pretty good at catching internet vibes. ;)

[newb]

I'd look for the nearest phone booth.

http://archive.perfectduluthday.com/Superman%2002.jpg

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'd look for the nearest phone booth.

http://archive.perfectduluthday.com/Superman%2002.jpg

stripping isn't going to get you out of this one.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

god look at all these liars!

you know what I change my mind.

I would save them both of course, and then spend the rest of the day looking for crimes to foil.

[_____V_____]

rofl...

I stand by what I said earlier.

And MD, keep checking the poll. You are going to love it. ;)

[ferretchucker]

Interesting results. I'm trying to understand why the woman has the most votes. The guy's more severely beaten and in more immediate danger. But then, the girl's attackers are easier to take down. There should be a "Help the girl then call the police" option.

EDIT: Whoops, there is.

I stand by my choice though...

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Interesting results. I'm trying to understand why the woman has the most votes. The guy's more severely beaten and in more immediate danger. .

LOL cute.

(this is totally unrelated to your post)

I think I might be the smartest person in the entire world. the real crime is that there isn't even a test I can take to prove this.

[Roderick Usher]

stripping isn't going to get you out of this one.

A naked man charging a street gang would pobably scare the shit out of them. Pretty solid plan, unless you get your junk cut off.

I had to stand up for some women being harassed (not assaulted) this weekend in a movie theater lobby. The simple act of showing no fear tends to scare most people away. I got rid of the guy without a punch and he actually shaked my hand before leaving the theater.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I had to stand up for some women being harassed (not assaulted) this weekend in a movie theater lobby. The simple act of showing no fear tends to scare most people away. I got rid of the guy without a punch and he actually shaked my hand before leaving the theater.

sounds like a gentleman.

you are probably right about the naked man thing.

[jenna26]

i would save them both of course, and then spend the rest of the day looking for crimes to foil.

LOL.......

What the hell....some of my post disappeared...
As I was saying, I actually think my reaction to save the girl would be completely irrational. So I wouldn't consider it a "heroic" action.

[ferretchucker]

LOL cute.

(this is totally unrelated to your post)

I think I might be the smartest person in the entire world. the real crime is that there isn't even a test I can take to prove this.

Haha, okay, I do see why she may have the most votes :rolleyes:, but in this situation that's kinda the wrong reason to make a decision.

[Posher778]

Well, come to think about it... Me and Rory both have the ability of making boys disappear. Maybe we could work something out.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

but in this situation that's kinda the wrong reason to make a decision.

decisions are what brains make. you think you're in control of your heart? dance puppet dance!

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Well, come to think about it... Me and Rory both have the ability of making boys disappear. Maybe we could work something out.

while you use your boyish charms to tire out the attackers, I will escort the others to safety.

[ferretchucker]

decisions are what brains make. you think you're in control of your heart? dance puppet dance!

I calculate most of my moves. I'm the one who questions whether "this is a good idea". I can't help but consider the consequences...

[Ferox13]

I'd stop hanging around shitty neighbourhoods for a start..

LOL@Try and save the girl, then go for the man

Ok after beating up 2 guys you would then try and tackle 6 more....I really can't see this happening. I think there are a small minority of people in the world who might pull this off but I've yet to see Mike Tyson post here.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

if for some odd reason all the attackers had down syndrome I could probably do it.

I don't know why but I can hit people with down syndrome really effin hard.

[Ferox13]

if for some odd reason all the attackers had down syndrome I could probably do it.

I don't know why but I can hit people with down syndrome really effin hard.

You never heard of Tard Strength - I'd rather face the 6 punks than Corky.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'd stop hanging around shitty neighbourhoods for a start..

LOL@Try and save the girl, then go for the man

Ok after beating up 2 guys you would then try and tackle 6 more....I really can't see this happening. I think there are a small minority of people in the world who might pull this off but I've yet to see Mike Tyson post here.

much better chance of mike tyson being one of the people you need to tackle.

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[monalisa]

I voted for "Back away slowly and disappear before anybody spots you" cuz it was the closest. In addition to that, I would call 911 from my cell, and get the fuck outta there before someone attacked me. Obviously it was NOT a safe neighborhood if all that was going on.

[Paul the Monk]

I'd def call the police and do my best to save the girl!:o Forget the man, he's pretty much doomed, plus there's no chance of taking on six punks especially if they are armed!:eek:

[Freak]

How bout we say fuck saving anybody or anything in this world and we all just go on mass killing spree's?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

How bout we say fuck saving anybody or anything in this world and we all just go on mass killing spree's?

too much work, how about we all run outside and beat up our neighbor.

[Freak]

too much work, how about we all run outside and beat up our neighbor.

You just can't let that go can ya?

[ferretchucker]

The way I see it the guy's the one in need of help the most. The woman's being raped, but he's gettin killed.

[fuglystick]

Seriously, all grandstanding aside, first call the police--but I'd have a hard time leaving the scene with the girl in trouble. The guy has 5 or 6 guys tearing him a new one--I can't do a thing for him, unless I had a weapon of some sort, and even then it's probably not enough. I don't think I could leave the girl though knowing there was the possibility that I could stop it. That's not out of any chivalry; my odds of not getting killed are much better with only two assailants instead of 6, and my conscience would make me do something, as futile as it may be.

[Freak]

The way I see it the guy's the one in need of help the most. The woman's being raped, but he's gettin killed.

We should go help beat up the man instead then go point and laugh at the woman being raped.

[ferretchucker]

We should go help beat up the man instead then go point and laugh at the woman being raped.

You get some popcorn and it's on.

[Posher778]

while you use your boyish charms to tire out the attackers, I will escort the others to safety.

Holes in the ground don't qualify as safety unless we're referring to ourselves kiddo. You know better.

[Paul the Monk]

Seriously, all grandstanding aside, first call the police--but I'd have a hard time leaving the scene with the girl in trouble. The guy has 5 or 6 guys tearing him a new one--I can't do a thing for him, unless I had a weapon of some sort, and even then it's probably not enough. I don't think I could leave the girl though knowing there was the possibility that I could stop it. That's not out of any chivalry; my odds of not getting killed are much better with only two assailants instead of 6, and my conscience would make me do something, as futile as it may be.

Ditto! We are on the same boat!!

[Paul the Monk]

We should go help beat up the man instead then go point and laugh at the woman being raped.

Not what you would do for reals I hope!:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

[Ferox13]

LOL@Tyson being one of the rapists..

At least Freak didn't join in the rape..

I doubt many people here would do well in the 2 vs 1 situation - i know I won't wanna deal with it.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

You just can't let that go can ya?

ok, I promise that was the last one.

[Dante'sInferno]

I would go for the girl then call the police and hope that the man survives. But, when I got done saving the woman and calling the police, I would see if the man was still alive and if he was, I would TRY to help him. Based of facts: These people attack in groups, so they're probably individually weak. I have some Tae Kwon Doe training and my brother taught me some moves when he was in the marines. If they've been kicking his ass for a good ten minutes they would probably be tired and look at yourself, you've gotten to the pissed off point where your adreniline is pumping. I don't know about you all, but when I get pissed off I can do some scary shit. I'm not trying to sound badass, and I'm very calm regularly, but when I get like that I black out. So if people's lives were at stake there is no telling what I would do. Plus I'm a pretty big fucking guy. I would gladly save both and have a broken bone and some bruises and by that time, the police would be there. When I get well, I would never go back there again. I would also ask how the people I saved were.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I would go for the girl then call the police and hope that the man survives. But, when I got done saving the woman and calling the police, I would see if the man was still alive and if he was, I would TRY to help him. Based of facts: These people attack in groups, so they're probably individually weak. I have some Tae Kwon Doe training and my brother taught me some moves when he was in the marines. If they've been kicking his ass for a good ten minutes they would probably be tired and look at yourself, you've gotten to the pissed off point where your adreniline is pumping. I don't know about you all, but when I get pissed off I can do some scary shit. I'm not trying to sound badass, and I'm very calm regularly, but when I get like that I black out. So if people's lives were at stake there is no telling what I would do. Plus I'm a pretty big fucking guy. I would gladly save both and have a broken bone and some bruises and by that time, the police would be there. When I get well, I would never go back there again. I would also ask how the people I saved were.

or you could like get stabbed in the stomach and slowly bleed to death or shot in the face which is probably more likely than a broken bone and some bruises.

[Dante'sInferno]

or you could like get stabbed in the stomach and slowly bleed to death or shot in the face which is probably more likely than a broken bone and some bruises.

What if they didn't have any weapons? If they did, that seems like a pretty bad place, so with some prior knowledge I would bring a gun or a knife for sure.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

What if they didn't have any weapons? If they did, that seems like a pretty bad place, so with some prior knowledge I would bring a gun or a knife for sure.

well the scenario is you have no weapon, and you don't know anything about the thugs or victims. the "victims" could be child molesters and the thugs could be carrying automatic weapons for all you know.

[Dante'sInferno]

well the scenario is you have no weapon, and you don't know anything about the thugs or victims. the "victims" could be child molesters and the thugs could be carrying automatic weapons for all you know.

Well if they DID have guns? I don't see why they wouldn't just shoot the man and get it over with. Well, for sure I would help the woman, then call the police.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Well if they DID have guns? I don't see why they wouldn't just shoot the man and get it over with. Well, for sure I would help the woman, then call the police.

maybe they are just supposed to rough him up and not kill him.

[bwind22]

Call the police, then trying to save the girl seems like the logical thing to do (even though the police on the phone will say not to interfere.)

[Dante'sInferno]

maybe they are just supposed to rough him up and not kill him.

Well, V said they were beating him up with no signs of stopping so I was going by that. It would be a horrible situation to go through.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Call the police, then trying to save the girl seems like the logical thing to do (even though the police on the phone will say not to interfere.)

damn police don't know anything, johnny do gooder is the real hero

[Ferox13]

I have some Tae Kwon Doe training and my brother taught me some moves when he was in the marines.

You really think this would give u the edge against 2 guys not to mention 6?

[Dante'sInferno]

I have some Tae Kwon Doe training and my brother taught me some moves when he was in the marines.

You really think this would give u the edge against 2 guys not to mention 6?
NO. When decisions like this come up you don't think rationally you go on instinct.

[Ferox13]

I do think having some Tae Kwon Do training is better than none but i do question how useful it is in a real fight with out pads/ref/people able to grab you etc etc.

[Dante'sInferno]

I do think having some Tae Kwon Do training is better than none but i do question how useful it is in a real fight with out pads/ref/people able to grab you etc etc.

It's taught as self defense not a sparring tournament and you are facing people with probably no self defense except fighting in numbers or holding guns and knives.. Exactly there is no ref, this is life and death. I would still help the woman, and then call the police. Hopefully they would come soon. But judging by the police you never know.

[Ferox13]

It's taught as self defense not a sparring tournament

I'm sure part of it is but not against fully resisting partners. That why someone with 6 months of boxing training (or Wrestling) would destroy some one with 6 month of Tae Kwon Do/Most Karate/Kung Fu etc.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

It's taught as self defense not a sparring tournament and you are facing people with probably no self defense except fighting in numbers or holding guns and knives.. Exactly there is no ref, this is life and death. I would still help the woman, and then call the police. Hopefully they would come soon. But judging by the police you never know.

have you ever called the police?

[Dante'sInferno]

It's taught as self defense not a sparring tournament

I'm sure part of it is but not against fully resisting partners. That why someone with 6 months of boxing training (or Wrestling) would destroy some one with 6 month of Tae Kwon Do/Most Karate/Kung Fu etc.

Yeah, I know. But I don't think I would be fighting boxers. Otherwise one of them could probably beat up that guy. Not to mention my brother did teach me things from when he was in the marines. I'm not trying to say im the ultimate fighter, im not by any means. I was just saying one of the reasons why I would be doing this because I knew those things and im not totally frail. So I could definitely put up a fight. What would you do, honestly? If you knew those people?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Yeah, I know. But I don't think I would be fighting boxers. Otherwise one of them could probably beat up that guy. Not to mention my brother did teach me things from when he was in the marines. I'm not trying to say im the ultimate fighter, im not by any means. I was just saying one of the reasons why I would be doing this because I knew those things and im not totally frail. So I could definitely put up a fight. What would you do, honestly? If you knew those people?

I think someone who is trained, big and able to put up a fight should try to save the girl.

you would have to be stupid to try and save the man though.

[Ferox13]

Yeah, I know. But I don't think I would be fighting boxers.

No i was just using that to point out how ineffective Tae Kwon Self Defense is.

Personally, If I thought about it I'd ring the cops first...

I don't think I'd fancy fighting 2 guys at once unless I got some indication that I had the edge (but that being said some one being young or small isn't always agood indication of how they can fight)..

Thing is if u did end up beating the 2 guys you'd prolly get arrested and charged for assault.

[Dante'sInferno]

I think someone who is trained, big and able to put up a fight should try to save the girl.

you would have to be stupid to try and save the man though. Well it is better to save one, rather then letting both die. I rethought it and I would just help the girl. If you help the man and die, you would be letting them both die. So I would do that I guess. It's still a horrible situation though.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Well it is better to save one, rather then letting both die. I rethought it and I would just help the girl. If you help the man and die, you would be letting them both die. So I would do that I guess. It's still a horrible situation though.

I like to think nobody is innocent and we all have it coming, it helps me sleep better at night.

[Dante'sInferno]

No i was just using that to point out how ineffective Tae Kwon Self Defense is.

Personally, If I thought about it I'd ring the cops first...

I don't think I'd fancy fighting 2 guys at once unless I got some indication that I had the edge (but that being said some one being young or small isn't always agood indication of how they can fight)..

Thing is if u did end up beating the 2 guys you'd prolly get arrested and charged for assault. Then the police are completely useless. Charging someone for assault and battery for saving someone from getting beaten and raped? That's complete bullshit and makes no sense. Do you honestly think that they would put you in jail for fighting off two thugs beating/raping this girl? I don't think so. Unless the cops are complete fucking idiots. I would call the cops too and hopefully they wouldn't press charges, like I said before and then go after the people beating up the woman. There would probably be a bat or someting atleast to help you if you didn't feel like you had the edge. I guess V could say what size they are. So you could weigh the options in full. Still, I think I can take two people, im completely capable and I know how to fight and i'm a big guy.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Then the police are completely useless. Charging someone for assault and battery for saving someone from getting beaten and raped? That's complete bullshit and makes no sense. Do you honestly think that they would put you in jail for fighting off two thugs beating/raping this girl? I don't think so. Unless the cops are complete fucking idiots. I would call the cops too and hopefully they wouldn't press charges, like I said before and then go after the people beating up the woman. There would probably be a bat or someting atleast to help you if you didn't feel like you had the edge. I guess V could say what size they are. So you could weigh the options in full. Still, I think I can take two people, im completely capable and I know how to fight and i'm a big guy.

you would be arrested, but hopefully the police would get there before someone got killed. (person with a high chance of getting killed is the hero)


remember when Danzig (huge scary with lots of training) got knocked out by that fat drummer?

[Ferox13]

I don't trust cops to do the right thing for a start..

I'm a big(ish) guy too about 210 and 6'2" - i know a lot off ppl way smaller than me that i couldn't take.....so i won't trust size too much.

I do think martial arts training can help but i think it can give people a false sense of security..

How ;ong you do Tae Kwon do for?

[Posher778]

I don't trust cops to do the right thing for a start..

I'm a big(ish) guy too about 210 and 6'2" - i know a lot off ppl way smaller than me that i couldn't take.....

I do think martial arts training can help but i think it can give people a false sense of security..

Hpw ;ong you do Tae Kwon do for?

I'm almost exactly your size, and i'm not too keen on picking fights with people like... Oh say, Stubbornforgey?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I do think martial arts training can help but i think it can give people a false sense of security..


you are 100% right with that. when people are saying they feel confident fighting 2 people in the street, there is a serious false sense of security going on.

[ferretchucker]

Then the police are completely useless. Charging someone for assault and battery for saving someone from getting beaten and raped? That's complete bullshit and makes no sense. Do you honestly think that they would put you in jail for fighting off two thugs beating/raping this girl? I don't think so. Unless the cops are complete fucking idiots. I would call the cops too and hopefully they wouldn't press charges, like I said before and then go after the people beating up the woman. There would probably be a bat or someting atleast to help you if you didn't feel like you had the edge. I guess V could say what size they are. So you could weigh the options in full. Still, I think I can take two people, im completely capable and I know how to fight and i'm a big guy.

the cops don't make the rules. They just enforce them. It's the legal system that's useless.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'm almost exactly your size, and i'm not too keen on picking fights with people like... Oh say, Stubbornforgey?

I wouldn't want to fight her either.

[Posher778]

I wouldn't want to fight her either.

I wouldn't want to fight you, because i'd much rather be on your team.






...Bitch.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

the cops don't make the rules. They just enforce them. It's the legal system that's useless.

we need a bloody revolution

[Posher778]

we need a bloody revolution

Agreed.....

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I wouldn't want to fight you, because i'd much rather be on your team.






...Bitch.

and because I'm super strong, right slut? ;)

[Posher778]

and because I'm super strong, right slut? ;)

I hear pole dancing is a proficient form of annihilation in Canadia Land. :D

[Ferox13]

the cops don't make the rules. They just enforce them. It's the legal system that's useless.

They don't make the rules but they do choose how to interpetate them alot of the time. I've met a few cops over the years that should not be doing the job that theyare doing.

you are 100% right with that. when people are saying they feel confident fighting 2 people in the street, there is a serious false sense of security going on.

I really feel this about people teaching self defense to women - they just take their money and show them a few 'knee in the balls' techniques and they think they are totally bad ass and can kick any bloke's ass.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I hear pole dancing is a proficient form of annihilation in Canadia Land. :D

great for your upper body.

[Posher778]

But I would fight Ferox.

[Posher778]

great for your upper body.

Well, it has obviously worked for you.




Did Posher just say something nice?

[Ferox13]

But I would fight Ferox.

No Holes Barred Jello wrestling anytime...


:)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

No Holes Barred Jello wrestling anytime...


:)

that made me lol

[Posher778]

No Holes Barred Jello wrestling anytime...


:)

*Giggles like a school girl*


Stoppit.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I really feel this about people teaching self defense to women - they just take their money and show them a few 'knee in the balls' techniques and they think they are totally bad ass and can kick any bloke's ass.

my self defence course involves pre-emptively striking people who may or may not intend to attack you.

especially if they are a scary minority.

[Ferox13]

my self defence course involves pre-emptively striking people who may or may not intend to attack you.

especially if they are a scary minority.

Best to do it when they're children who you think will cross you later in life.

[Posher778]

my self defence course involves pre-emptively striking people who may or may not intend to attack you.

especially if they are a scary minority.

LOL



Rory quote of the day.

[Dante'sInferno]

I don't trust cops to do the right thing for a start..

I'm a big(ish) guy too about 210 and 6'2" - i know a lot off ppl way smaller than me that i couldn't take.....so i won't trust size too much.

I do think martial arts training can help but i think it can give people a false sense of security..

How ;ong you do Tae Kwon do for?


I know knowing some Tae Kwon Doe doesn't make me a martial arts master. But I've been in a fight or two before anyway. So I know how to defend myself.

[Ferox13]

I know knowing some Tae Kwon Doe doesn't make me a martial arts master. But I've been in a fight or two before anyway. So I know how to defend myself.

I'm sure you do but i think 2 vs 1 odds are a bit much for most ppl.

[Ferox13]

In the situation described - I presume the 2 guys are kinds preoccupied so i recon you have one sucker punch (or sucker kick for the Tae Kwon do guys).

I think this might level the playing field - one free shot - possibley from behind - then I think that might make it a 1v1 situation if u can KO with one shot. And if its a sucker punch then its a lot easier....

So i stand corrected - I might feel easier if i got one free puncho or kick.

[Posher778]

In the situation described - I presume the 2 guys are kinds preoccupied so i recon you have one sucker punch (or sucker kick for the Tae Kwon do guys).

I think this might level the playing field - one free shot - possibley from behind - then I think that might make it a 1v1 situation if u can KO with one shot. And if its a sucker punch then its a lot easier....

So i stand corrected - I might feel easier if i got one free puncho or kick.

Oh golly, our herrrrro!

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

In the situation described - I presume the 2 guys are kinds preoccupied so i recon you have one sucker punch (or sucker kick for the Tae Kwon do guys).

I think this might level the playing field - one free shot - possibley from behind - then I think that might make it a 1v1 situation if u can KO with one shot. And if its a sucker punch then its a lot easier....

So i stand corrected - I might feel easier if i got one free puncho or kick.

very possible to end up killing one of them hitting them in the back of the head, that would be hilariously ironic. hero goes to jail for murder LOL

[Ferox13]

Oh golly, our herrrrro!

No - i'm not playing the macho card.

What i was saying is - imagine a guy is standing there with a blindfold and you get to hit him once...thats what a sucker punch is.....so assuming that works then its 1v1...

So i'm being realistic in this silly scenario...

Sorry if u think my answer is being a hero or macho or some shit..

[Ferox13]

very possible to end up killing one of them hitting them in the back of the head, that would be hilariously ironic. hero goes to jail for murder LOL

Exactly - lose/lose situation

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

how about call the cops and yell for help while running away? that might make them disperse and if not either the cops will get there or some do gooder idiot will come to save the day.

[jenna26]

very possible to end up killing one of them hitting them in the back of the head, that would be hilariously ironic. hero goes to jail for murder LOL

Probably manslaughter.....:D


how about call the cops and yell for help while running away? that might make them disperse and if not either the cops will get there or some do gooder idiot will come to save the day.

If I was thinking clearly, I would attempt to distract them in some way, since I am pretty damn sure I couldn't hurt them (at least not much).

But as Ferox mentioned I don't trust cops to do right.....or even to show up to the party on time. :rolleyes:

[Posher778]

No - i'm not playing the macho card.

What i was saying is - imagine a guy is standing there with a blindfold and you get to hit him once...thats what a sucker punch is.....so assuming that works then its 1v1...

So i'm being realistic in this silly scenario...

Sorry if u think my answer is being a hero or macho or some shit..

No, I was kidding. Sucker punching works in this scenario, but that's assuming one of them doesn't notice you. Or maybe the thugs on the other side of the street notice you while beating up the old man and yell "Hey guys that punk is about to sucker punch you!"


Hehe

[Ferox13]

No, I was kidding.


Hehe

LOL@Posher backing out of the Jello Wrestling fight..

[Posher778]

I didn't back out! I've been jello wrestling you in my head for an hour now! >=D

[nightmare_of _death]

I would totally be grabbing my cell and calling someone and waiting. I would not want to get mixed up in anything,....risk a third person getting hurt.

[cheebacheeba]

I'd probably get in between the two groups, hidden if I could, and start throwing rocks. Big fuckin' hurting rocks.
Either they'd turn on eachother, or start chasing me instead, I figure the other two will have the best chance to get themselves outta there.

[massacre man]

I would tell one group that the other group was saying bad things about them. The problem then solves itself.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'd hide behind the bushes and go wooooooooooop wooooooooooop like a police siren.

[Elvis_Christ]

I'd hide behind the bushes and go wooooooooooop wooooooooooop like a police siren.

You could wave your glowsticks and really put the shits up them.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

You could wave your glowsticks and really put the shits up them.

yeah, and if they still didn't buy it I would go wooooopwoooopwoooopwooowooooooowoooowoooowooowooow oowooowooowoowoowoowooowooowooowoowoooehhnehnehneh nehnehnehnehnehnehnwooooooopwooooooop

[Elvis_Christ]

Well it worked for this guy....

http://www.fretbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/23093.jpg

[pinkfloyd45769]

Hmm....not what I was expecting but...maybe its not unexpected, either.

And I never mentioned he was an old man, Mags. He could be a young teen.

In my head hes older than dirt;)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

In my head hes older than dirt;)

that's what I pictured too.

[pinkfloyd45769]

that's what I pictured too.

great minds think alike:D

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

great minds think alike:D

that they do, that they do. ;)

[pinkfloyd45769]

Honestly,i bet everyone is guessing the dude is old.He was referred to as "man"..the teen girl,being called girl,makes me assume hes must be old.

[_____V_____]

Well, he could be 25 or 30. Even 35. That doesnt make him old.

(poor Roderick...)

Interesting replies. What Dante said isnt too implausible either. Adrenalin does tend to make you do funny things when your brain's gone into blind mode.

And the assailants having weapons is debatable. If they had any, they would be holding it or using it. Its what any normal attacker would do.

Ferox has a point about attacking one of the two rapists from behind and taking him by surprise. One good, solid blow to the legs would be enough to make him go down howling, rather than bashing him in the head and be more chancy of him dying on you. Then it will be 1 on 1, and the odds get even better.

You can basically save one of them. The time it takes in-between wont let you go to the aid of the other, and let's face it, by the time you are finished with one group, the other would have done their job already.

Ergo, the choice.

[cheebacheeba]

If you can see them both, it stands to reason that you could help the guy first, and the chick wouldn't be in any immediate danger of imminent death...
I think anything you COULD do that might effect the outcome would make you the target though.
If you had a gun, you could fire it in the air?
Just make a commotion, or like attack with a baseball bat....if you don't mind the danger...they'll stop if they think they could get brained. I wouldn't personally care if someone died. Scum deserves to be taken out. If I were to actually throw myself into attack, I'd expect it would be likely ending for me if I didn't end them. Though with each fuck-someone-up or kill, I think the rest would be less likely to approach you.
It's not like you'd stick around after.
Of course, it would never happen...as much as I'd like to, I'm not usually carrying weapons.
Taking them at distance with arrows would be cool though.

[yourlastmistake]

You are standing at a street.

A few feet away from you, a vicious gang of 5-6 punks are beating a helpless man very savagely. The man is coughing up blood and bloodstains dot his clothes. He needs someone's help very quickly, or he might not have much time to live. The gang doesnt look like stopping anytime soon - maybe they are hellbent on beating him to death.

You take one step to help him, BUT...

At the same moment...

Across the street...

A young girl, probably 16-17 years old, has been overpowered by two nasty-looking men after getting a severe beating for trying to fight them off and for her resistance. One of whom has thrown her down and is in the process of ripping her clothes off. She is facing certain rape, and a very violent one at that. And she might not survive it.

Assuming that you are the only person, besides those listed above, in the entire area...

Who do you save?

I would pull out my Glock and shoot a few, I imagine the rest would run after seeing their punk buddies laying mortally wounded in the street. If not, I have enough bullets for the rest of them.

[Disease]

I'd just walk into the nearest bar and start reassessing my life, ask myself why the hell am I in this town?

[Posher778]

Here, i'll make this the easiest game in the world.


The man being beat up was omcdave, and the girl is Murderdoll.


Go.

[massacre man]

Here, i'll make this the easiest game in the world.


The man being beat up was omcdave, and the girl is Murderdoll.


Go.

I'd wait until they got Murderdoll's shirt off, then help her.

[Posher778]

Either way, your choice became much simpler!

[monalisa]

Here, i'll make this the easiest game in the world.


The man being beat up was omcdave, and the girl is Murderdoll.


Go.

I'd feel sorry for the guys trying to attack Murderdoll. She'd eat them for breakfast. :D

[ferretchucker]

Save them both:

Phone the police;)

[Ferox13]

Save them both:

Phone the police;)

Because they will arrive in 2-3 minutes.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Because they will arrive in 2-3 minutes.

I've called the police a few times before and they were always there in under 5 minutes.

it must be a canada thing

[Ferox13]

Must be....

I live in Ireland and the response time is way slower..

Either way - a 3 minute beating would kill mot people/

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Must be....

I live in Ireland and the response time is way slower..

Either way - a 3 minute beating would kill mot people/

so most 3 minute beatings involve instant death you're saying.

it's like people who take cpr courses think they are learning to save lives, when they are really learning to keep someone barely alive before the pros get there. from there they usually die anyway

if you can get help within 5minutes you have done all you should do.

[Ferox13]

so most 3 minute beatings involve instant death you're saying.

it's like people who take cpr courses think they are learning to save lives, when they are really learning to keep someone barely alive before the pros get there. from there they usually die anyway

if you can get help within 5minutes you have done all you should do.

In the situation quoted- 6 people beating one person for 3 minutes would kill most people, i would think so yes.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

if 6 people are beating you, you probably deserve it anyway.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

let's put it this way:

there is a smaller chance of death if you call the cops and they get there in 5 minutes, than if you run in and try and be a hero.

[Ferox13]

if 6 people are beating you, you probably deserve it anyway.

I would think its way more than 6 ppl would want to beat me to death - i'm glad they just aren't organized :-)

[ferretchucker]

You tell the police there's a young girl being raped and the dirty bastards will be there in 2.

Tell them there's a guy being beaten to death and say foreigners are doing it and the racist bastards will be there before you've put the phone down.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

You tell the police there's a young girl being raped and the dirty bastards will be there in 2.
.

make sure you tell them she's white

[Ferox13]

You tell the police there's a young girl being raped and the dirty bastards will be there in 2.

Tell them there's a guy being beaten to death and say foreigners are doing it and the racist bastards will be there before you've put the phone down.

I think think the English cops would take a bit longer to get here..

Prolly still arrive before the irish ones. though..

[cheebacheeba]

There's guys here with guns, and one of them has something in a suitcase.
That's probably get it done nowadays.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

There's guys here with guns, and one of them has something in a suitcase.
That's probably get it done nowadays.

obama himself will come down in a fighter jet and lay down the justice.

[Despare]

obama himself will come down in a fighter jet and lay down the justice.

He would just call somebody racist and offer folks some beer.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

he would just call somebody racist and offer folks some beer.

lol

.........