What KILLS a horror film?

[Leslie Daher]

for you, what kills a horror pic? too much gore, not enough suspense, too much humor or sex???

[Darth Bane]

Your constant ramblings......

[Leslie Daher]

why can't you be serious? it's serious question...we're here to talk horror, right?

[Darth Bane]

Absolutely not! We are here to Explore.

[Cerberus]

Shitty CGI. That'll do it every time, along with ridiculous, formulaic predictability. That in itself has been the demise of most

[Steve_Hutchison]

things that kill horror movies :

- the MPAA
- having kids in em and not having them die while adults get butchered left and right
- having emotionless army guys and too much guns in it

[MichaelMyers]

The movie playing in "fast-forward" with circus music....

[AmarylandPsycho]

Cocky bitches with attitude who can deal emotionally with the monster chasing them. Like that whore in Jason Vs Freddy. Let me tell you if she lived and fucked freddy up i would have hated the movie. Fucking Cunt. The Bitch Must Die....or at least be scared shitless

[Thaide]

A terrible and pointless ending which ruins the whole film.

[SFF]

Originally posted by AmarylandPsycho
Cocky bitches with attitude who can deal emotionally with the monster chasing them. Like that whore in Jason Vs Freddy. Let me tell you if she lived and fucked freddy up i would have hated the movie. Fucking Cunt. The Bitch Must Die....or at least be scared shitless

:confused: That sounded sexist.

Anyhow, I hate any and ALL CGI. That is why I rarely watch new movies.

[BudMan]

Any movie with Terry O'Quinn in it.:p ........only kidding SFF...don't go off on me.

Weak plot

I'll agree with the bad CGI , but if its done right [LOTR ] it can be very nice.

Pretty much any movie with a number after the title. i.e. part 2, part 3, part 10 whatever.

Same for remakes ,but I have to say I did enjoy the new TCM

No nudity. We need more boobs.

hmm april fools is over...gotta change my avatar

[SFF]

Originally posted by BudMan
Any movie with Terry O'Quinn in it.:p ........only kidding SFF...don't go off on me.

LOL Well, you're a heterosexual guy, so that is expected.

Oh, and we need more naked men in horror movies. I'm sick to death of looking at nude women. They really need to think about the female audiance sometimes. Hey!! I need to start making some movies of my own!!!!! LOL

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by SFF
LOL Well, you're a heterosexual guy, so that is expected.

Oh, and we need more naked men in horror movies. I'm sick to death of looking at nude women. They really need to think about the female audiance sometimes. Hey!! I need to start making some movies of my own!!!!! LOL

You must like 28 days later then. Dear god, it was almost too much. Almost a full minute of a pale, unshaven naked englishman. Full frontal.


Actually, some to think of it, Darth Bane probably likes that one too.

[SFF]

Originally posted by Vodstok
You must like 28 days later then. Dear god, it was almost too much. Almost a full minute of a pale, unshaven naked englishman. Full frontal.


Actually, some to think of it, Darth Bane probably likes that one too.

Well, not just any old naked guy will do. He has to be hot, ya know. I have not seen 28 Days later, judging from what you have just described, I think it is fair to say that I will pass on that one. LOL

[AmarylandPsycho]

Originally posted by SFF
:confused: That sounded sexist.

Anyhow, I hate any and ALL CGI. That is why I rarely watch new movies.

It wasnt meant to sound sexist. Any horror movie where The character isnt scared when the monster is coming after them. Not only not scared but developes a MY shit dont stink attitude. Some of you may ask what about Ash? Well i think Ash was terrified. So terrified that he went insane. Its from his sanity that he was able to come up with all those witty comments we know and love. Kristy Cotton is a good example of a female character who though scared still basically told pinhead to shut the fuck up. It still seems real in these instances. I guess thats what I was trying to say the first time around. The bad ass attitude that betrays and goes beyond any sane persons ability to cope in a horrifying situation is too fake. The Bitch in Freddy Vs Jason is just the incident that gets to me the most. Sorry for any misunderstanding:)

[Targangil]

Bad CGI will instantly ruin a horror movie, when used right - like in house on haunted hill - in can be very effective, but more often than not it just looks like arse (who can forgive the caterpillar in FvJ?).

And I also agree with MarylandPsycho, few things are more irritating than the girl who can deal with anything, Freddy vs Jason would have been a whole lot better if that girl had died - horribly.

[Plissken]

Rappers or any other musicans in a horror movie

[Angelakillsluts]

Bad acting

[SFF]

Originally posted by AmarylandPsycho
It wasnt meant to sound sexist. Any horror movie where The character isnt scared when the monster is coming after them. Not only not scared but developes a MY shit dont stink attitude. Some of you may ask what about Ash? Well i think Ash was terrified. So terrified that he went insane. Its from his sanity that he was able to come up with all those witty comments we know and love. Kristy Cotton is a good example of a female character who though scared still basically told pinhead to shut the fuck up. It still seems real in these instances. I guess thats what I was trying to say the first time around. The bad ass attitude that betrays and goes beyond any sane persons ability to cope in a horrifying situation is too fake. The Bitch in Freddy Vs Jason is just the incident that gets to me the most. Sorry for any misunderstanding:)


OK, I see what you mean now. Yes, the girl from Freddy VS Jason was irritating, to say the least. I thought Ashley Laurence from Hellraiser gave a good female against monsters performance.

[Arioch]

The tired old stereotypes used to "teach" morals to kids. All the "smoke a joint/have sex, or shower scenes/ drink = Death, or atleast being killed of quicker. For yet another rehash of these same, tired ideas, see the new TCM with the invincible virgin surviving, and OWNING:rolleyes: , leatherface with all here moral purity and innocense:rolleyes:

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by Arioch
The tired old stereotypes used to "teach" morals to kids. All the "smoke a joint/have sex, or shower scenes/ drink = Death, or atleast being killed of quicker. For yet another rehash of these same, tired ideas, see the new TCM with the invincible virgin surviving, and OWNING:rolleyes: , leatherface with all here moral purity and innocense:rolleyes:

. . . I was going to see the new one, but now, I think not. I wanted Leatherface to slash the screaming bitch in the original, but now there's a SuperVirgin! and she doesn't die? What in God's name is that?

Anyways, alot of emotional scenes like, "Oh Johnny, don't go into the house! It looks creepy!" "It'll be alright, Jane!" "Oh Johnny, I love you . . " "Oh Jane, Jane!" [insert passionate kiss] and then they get like, slashed or something. That's just stupid.

[Arioch]

. . . I was going to see the new one, but now, I think not. I wanted Leatherface to slash the screaming bitch in the original, but now there's a SuperVirgin! and she doesn't die? What in God's name is that?

Oh man, its worse than you can possibly imagine. She actually gets away from him 3 times by laying on her back and kicking her feet at him, which ofcourse causes him to swing the chainsaw in a different direction:rolleyes: I wont "spoil" it for you, but lets just say by the end of the movie our good friend Leather gets it a good deal worse than that from the immortal seventh heaven star:mad:

[SFF]

I just wanted to say, once again, that CGI SUCKS!!!! I hate it with a passion. CGI is what made "The Hulk" a total flop!!! Sorry, but some fucking computer animation is no replacement for Lou Ferrigno!!! What is the point of making a horror film if you are too damned lazy to use prosthetics for your FX? They need to keep CGI the fuck out of movies. I'm sick of it, it looks stupid and fake, no matter how much money they spend on it. I think that a great deal of creativity is lost when filmmakers start employing the services of digital effects.

[McDonnyDude666]

Bad acting and cheesy romance and exception to romance is Ash and Linda that was ok.

Gore cut out, i know people say its worst to not see gore but imagine it but i would rather gore.A exception to the gore rule, TCM original.

[Ann Bowman]

Definitely I agree with bad CGI, annoying characters (for me, the ultimate example of this was in The Lost Boys), and stupid decisions on the part of the filmmaking team. Someone mentioned morals / moral lessons, and I'd have to agree only in situations where this is enforced through any kind of religion. Religious horror films usually turn me off.

I always cringed through the "God" discussion in Poltergeist... It was sweet and everything, but it was used to give the film an 'acceptable' mainstream balance. It should have been used exploitingly. More characters should have died, especially the little girl. I have to say this because that's how it was written in this original script. Given the choice to kill 1 family member, the writers chose Carol-Anne. And I think it was wrong to change the story.

Another thing that ruins a horror movie for me, the viewing experience at least: Now I've got nothing against nudity in horror movies, nor am I the least bit ashamed of my body, but I can't watch a horror movie with some stupid rowdy guy in the room talking about tits and boobs and naked women. It's very annoying and just plain lowers the general intelligence of the whole room. I simply refuse to watch horror movies with chauvenists, or people drinking and getting high. Even if it's just us girls.

[Ann Bowman]

Originally posted by SFF
Oh, and we need more naked men in horror movies. A-fucking-men to that! I personally, am not sick of women, but I do think you have every right to be. It seems too frequently that only the closed minded are getting served in that department.

I don't need a quota of nude men, but I'd settle for a lot more topless scenes- also closer shots of attractive actors of all shapes, sizes, and colors in tighter clothes, butt-hugging jeans, see-through underwear; as well as more exploitative shots of muscles, skin, pecs, bulges. Hey, the MEN had their turn. And they've enjoyed their reign. When are the women finally going to get their piece of the action? :o

Girls could spend more money on horror, thereby getting proper consideration when it comes to what we want to see- except that horror isn't showing barely enough male skin, but still plenty of ladyflesh. So, how is horror ever supposed to change? As it stands, I guess most people don't think it needs to. But this wouldn't be a dramatic change. It would only be fair.

[bloodrayne]

Romance and Drama...There are already genres for that

I myself prefer to see HORROR in my Horror movies

I also feel that nudity and sex in horror movies is out of place...What has it to do with "horror"?...I have never been scared by a boob or a bare ass in my entire life...I want to hear screaming, not moaning...and, this too already has it's own genre...If I want to see nudity and sex, I will watch a porno (never happen):rolleyes:

It is possible to make a good horror movie without the romance, drama, nudity and sex...Trust me...It can be and HAS been done:)

[cheebacheeba]

How about : If it was made post-80's...?

[AmarylandPsycho]

The whole nudity concept comes into play to make the person feel vulnerable. I mean 9 times out of 10 when your naked your safe. The 1 time your not safe is the time some chainsaw wielding maniac is standing right behind you. I think all horror, good horror in particulars main goal is to make the viewer feel that all is not as it appears. Even at our safest ( in a church ) or most enjoyable( wild animal sex) moment something can go wrong. Yes a pretty bed of flowers might exist but so does the flesh devouring monster that rests just below their pretty petals

[SFF]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Romance and Drama...There are already genres for that

I myself prefer to see HORROR in my Horror movies

I also feel that nudity and sex in horror movies is out of place...What has it to do with "horror"?...I have never been scared by a boob or a bare ass in my entire life...I want to hear screaming, not moaning...and, this too already has it's own genre...If I want to see nudity and sex, I will watch a porno (never happen):rolleyes:

It is possible to make a good horror movie without the romance, drama, nudity and sex...Trust me...It can be and HAS been done:)


Well, I agree that there is too much sex in horror movies, but then it all depends on how it's injected into the storyline. To be done right, it needs to seem like a natural occurrence, and not the least bit gratuitous.

[Thaide]

Originally posted by SFF
I just wanted to say, once again, that CGI SUCKS!!!! I hate it with a passion. CGI is what made "The Hulk" a total flop!!! Sorry, but some fucking computer animation is no replacement for Lou Ferrigno!!! What is the point of making a horror film if you are too damned lazy to use prosthetics for your FX? They need to keep CGI the fuck out of movies. I'm sick of it, it looks stupid and fake, no matter how much money they spend on it. I think that a great deal of creativity is lost when filmmakers start employing the services of digital effects.

I think CGI can be good if done effectively, such as Lord of the Rings. But i agree with the whole Hulk issue. A waste of a great comic character. I hate Ang Lee!

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
How about : If it was made post-80's...? Poltergeist...It...The Shining...Pet Sematary...Cujo...Phantasm...Actually I could do them in alphabetical order...Arachnaphobia...Blair Witch...Child's Play...Day Of The Dead...It would be oh so easy to keep going:)

[McDonnyDude666]

I noticed a few people saying about the old moral in horror movies like if you smoke you die, if you have sex you die.All those moral in horror movies are over exagerated, Alice in Friday the 13th (original) she played strip poker (all though she didnt get naked) and she survived.In the original TCM when did it ever state that Sally was a virgin and didnt drink?Neva Cambel slept with someone with Scream and she survived 3 films.

To be truthful i cant think of one horror movie when the rules and morals are used, not just refered to used.

[StaggerLee]

- annoying teenagers.
if Kirsty or Nancy kicks some bad guys ass, it's ok, but the teenagers today, like those bastards in FvJ, they just should be slaugtered

- Bad music choices.
instrumantal works allways. the mood is totally ruined, when they start playing Marilyn Manson and Korn in the background

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I have never been scared by a boob or a bare ass in my entire life...I want to hear screaming, not moaning...and, this too already has it's own genre...If I want to see nudity and sex, I will watch a porno (never happen):rolleyes:

I have. Oh my god have I. . .*crrriinnggee!*

But that was in my own life. I haven't been scared by an on-screen nude scene. And as for porn in horror? Whore and gore, I adore them both. But if you're going to have characters having sex, have them die, too. Particularly in the middle of "the act". That would be great. Here is Bobby, finally getting some from SuperVirgin! Susie . . . and mister murder man comes with his axe and he takes a big chunk of of Susie's head. And Bobby didn't even reach peak!

Yuuummm.

[thepsychicfetus]

actually, that does happen in one of the friday the 13th movies, cant remember which one. theyre having sex, the girl is on top, shes completely naked, all in a tent mind you, and the girl gets cut straight in half. excellent scene.

[GorePhobia]

movie with shitty soundtrack and shitty cgi and no nudity and plot holes....and bad endings and oh my god i just saud Jason X

[Cereal Killer]

Originally posted by thepsychicfetus
actually, that does happen in one of the friday the 13th movies, cant remember which one. theyre having sex, the girl is on top, shes completely naked, all in a tent mind you, and the girl gets cut straight in half. excellent scene.

Man, now that you say something, that does sound so familiar. Maybe that's why I thought of it.

[FENRIZ]

HEIL TO NORWAY!!!! MAY ALL YOUR CHURCHES BE SETT AFLAME!!!
THIS IS PURE HOLOCAUST!!!!

[Daring_Souls]

My answer would be... the end.

So very often a film will just get a natural pulse to it and you think its going to get better and... pop!

I can recall a few stinkers. I collect B movies, btw. As well as many of the other early silents and talkies that led the genre on film. Much of it really great stuff.

"Horror at Party Beach" ...anybody ever seen it? Heh, heh...

[Ann Bowman]

Originally posted by StaggerLee
- annoying teenagers.
if Kirsty or Nancy kicks some bad guys ass, it's ok, but the teenagers today, like those bastards in FvJ, they just should be slaugtered

- Bad music choices.
instrumantal works allways. the mood is totally ruined, when they start playing Marilyn Manson and Korn in the background Annoying teenagers, they should have lives... before they lose 'em.

When it comes to music, it's up to the filmmakers and the studios shouldn't interfere. There is a wild world of a difference between Marilyn Manson and KoRn. KoRn is a ridiculous choice to ever find in a horror movie, Marilyn Manson could possibly be used for an effectiveness- although this has yet to be proven. They should find him a better movie than the remake of House on Haunted Hill :mad: Makes sense that he never put in a physical appearence.

Unfortunately there have been times when instrumental has failed a particular film. I think when choosing music to appear in a horror movie, the filmmakers should appeal before the story. It should fit the tone of the plot and the characters in the scene in which it's played. If I can picture a potential scene where it benefits to play pop music instead of traditional score- it can work.

[McDonnyDude666]

Originally posted by thepsychicfetus
actually, that does happen in one of the friday the 13th movies, cant remember which one. theyre having sex, the girl is on top, shes completely naked, all in a tent mind you, and the girl gets cut straight in half. excellent scene.

That happens in JGTH and in Friday the 13th part 2 when a couple is having sex Jason impales them both together.

[MrBobo]

I think the soundtrack usually messes up films...gimme a horror with no music in the background and I really hate my baddies coming out with witty banter, I want them without compromise, with no sense of humanity and I really hate them if they are portrayed as cool, for example, Interview with a vampire, Lost boys, anything to do with Buffy or Angel and Blade etc...

[feral cat]

Clichéd metal soundtrack ... I prefer a film score for movies; the worst is a soundtrack that’s just there to sell cds and does not go with the movie!!!

S&M techno clubs in movies especially vampire ones its just plain silly.... and not in a good way!!!

Too much CGI good or bad it starts to feel like a video game!!

Nakedness and sex for the sake of it ... dicks, tits whatever you can look it up on the internet if you want it! ... I don't mind if it fits in with the story though

Jessica Biel and he shit tcm remake performance ... running around like it’s a shampoo add, going oh look at me!!!!!!

[kpropain]

I agree about the music thing I always like scores like the stuff Harry Manfredini did in Friday The 13th stuff, The Halloween score and of course the stuff by Goblin.

I mean I love metal but it just doesn't fit the mood in horror movies imo.

[Arioch]

Agreed. Music definitly makes or breaks a horror film alot of the time...

[Freddy#1Slasher]

I'll tell you what kills a horror film. When you got annoying fukcing kids interfering with an important battle between two horror icons. As they interfere they distract the one horror icon who is kicking the living sh!t out of the horror icon, so the other horror icon can win!!!!

I'm sorry. I guess I never got over Freddy vs. Jason.:D

[Arioch]

I'll tell you what kills a horror film. When you got annoying fukcing kids interfering with an important battle between two horror icons. As they interfere they distract the one horror icon who is kicking the living sh!t out of the horror icon, so the other horror icon can win!!!!

I'm sorry. I guess I never got over Freddy vs. Jason.

Someones still bitter....lol.....

[cheebacheeba]

There were some additional characters, but at what point were they interfering?
I mean, if you want a fight between two supernatural characters and no story to speak of....go play mortal kombat or something...
Besides, you're wrong - the "annoying fucking kids" if anything, only facilitated the fight and the reasons behind it.
Can I ask something, #1? are you more a fan of the f13 or NOES series?

[evil_blonde]

A bad plot is always..well...bad...
I do think there is sucha thing as TOO MUCH sex in movies though, i mean what the fuck has that got to do with some dumb bitch getting slaughtered, i mean other than the fact that then she drags her fuck buddy down with her....

[laymon]

Stupid teenagers walking into obvious danger, too much media hype on a film (it makes me have really high expectations for it) and when you get to the end of the film and you still don't know what the hell was going on.

[sexybear]

Originally posted by AmarylandPsycho
Cocky bitches with attitude who can deal emotionally with the monster chasing them. Like that whore in Jason Vs Freddy. Let me tell you if she lived and fucked freddy up i would have hated the movie. Fucking Cunt. The Bitch Must Die....or at least be scared shitless I agree... also I'm sick of seeing dumb b*tches who know there's a killer in the house and they go in and then screem for 10 minutes as they are getting chased and Then act like their lives should be spared.

[orangestar]

Too much humor. I dont like horror-comedys for some reason.