Forced Recycling

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I refuse to spend a minute of my time sorting recycling. In BC we have to sort recycling in 3 different bags for recycling and if your garbage is picked up and they think they feel plastic bottles or something they refuse to pick it up. I personally don't believe in recycling, I think it's a waste of effort, money, energy and worst of all a waste of my time. Recycling should never be forced, I'd love an hour alone with whoever thought of that idea. edit: actually you know what? a whole day with the entire EPA tied to chairs, I'll just need some dull scissors my creativity. secondhand smoke errrg :mad:

anyone else angered by this?

[alkytrio666]

Is it that hard to seperate recyclables? It isn't as though this is some kind of hoax or something, recycling really is good for the environment. I mean, it's too bad that they're so anal about your pick-up, but it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt to this system- just put everything in its corresponding section when you go to throw it out.

So if you're asking does recyling make me mad? No- quite the contrary. It's an easy thing everyone can do to try and slow down the disintigration of the planet we've helped to trash so well.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

How exactly is recycling beneficial to the planet? it's a serious question.

ever watch "Idiocracy"? When I ask about recycling I get a "because it's got electolytes" type response.


I know we have some smart people here, please convince me that recycling is worth it.

[alkytrio666]

http://greenliving.lovetoknow.com/Why_is_Recycling_Important

There are plenty of reasons, and I'd rather point you to a site like this one then explain them all. I'm pretty sure even most environmental skeptics can see the common sense of a lot of these benefits. The issues of space to put this shit comes down to common sense.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

sorry don't feel like reading through a site called greenliving.com. (I'll send you to a good site on why Aliens have landed on earth www.conspiracynuts.com)

also I took a quick look at it, took me 2 seconds to find lies. recycling does not save money.

"The issues of space to put this shit comes down to common sense."

thanks for coming out, some how I'm not convinced.

anyone else? I want to believe it's not a waste, but I'm skeptical.

[Kleptron]

How exactly is recycling beneficial to the planet? it's a serious question.

ever watch "Idiocracy"? When I ask about recycling I get a "because it's got electolytes" type response.



Lol-thats funny as hell and I see your point. I only recycle beer cans for money. The stupid fucking recycling center in my town has cut its budget and refuses to take much more than aluminum cans now. How important can recycling be if the damn places that do it stop taking paper and cardboard, not to mention plastic. Fuck it, I don't give 2 shits about recycling unless it puts money in my pocket.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Lol-thats funny as hell and I see your point. I only recycle beer cans for money. The stupid fucking recycling center in my town has cut its budget and refuses to take much more than aluminum cans now. How important can recycling be if the damn places that do it stop taking paper and cardboard, not to mention plastic. Fuck it, I don't give 2 shits about recycling unless it puts money in my pocket.

Aluminum is actually worth something, that's why. :p

[missmacabre]

I'm an avid recycler. i will grab empty pop bottles left in the cafeteria and put them in the blue bin at school etc. I'm just as frustrated as you for the same reason even though I'm on the other end of the enviro-spectrum. Most things we are asked to recycle are not worth recyling. A lot of types of plastic are sent to recycling plants but never recycled because it costs less money to make new plastic containers than to have someone sort, wash and melt down the old plastic.

edit: Green bin is where it's at. So much garbage is actually biodegradable. I also think reusing things is a lot better for the environment than recycling plants.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

is it really worth it?

of the 7 recycling classifications for plastic materials, 2 of them are deemed usable. anything else is just burned unsafely as fuel (making some serious pollution)

oh and the 2 types of plastic that do get recycled are made into plastic bags. just what the environment needs though right?

to recycle newspaper, they use toxic chemicals to get rid of the ink on the paper. where do those chemicals go? recycling also adds like 20% on to the cost of picking up and getting rid of garbage.

recycling trucks also don't run on wheatgrass

[Freak]

I think your just lazy.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I think your just lazy.

on the contrary. ;)

[alkytrio666]

"The issues of space to put this shit comes down to common sense."

thanks for coming out, some how I'm not convinced.



I'm not sure I understand that comment, but I'll dumb it down even more for you.

If you have a room, and you put a lot of shit in that room, especially shit that takes hundreds of years to decompose, eventually that room will fill up.

To be skeptical that the Earth has a limited amount of space to dump our waste just doesn't make any sense- sooner or later we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that in the relatively small amount of time humans have been producing garbage we've filled up quite a bit of land with it. What happens when it runs out?

Outside of the other reasons, that one seems like a pretty basic concept to understand.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'm not sure I understand that comment, but I'll dumb it down even more for you.

If you have a room, and you put a lot of shit in that room, especially shit that takes hundreds of years to decompose, eventually that room will fill up.

To be skeptical that the Earth has a limited amount of space to dump our waste just doesn't make any sense- sooner or later we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that in the relatively small amount of time humans have been producing garbage we've filled up quite a bit of land with it. What happens when it runs out?

Outside of the other reasons, that one seems like a pretty basic concept to understand.

A landfill containing the next 1,000 years' worth of U.S. garbage would occupy less than one-tenth of one percent of the land available.

Source: A. Clark Wiseman, U.S. Wastepaper Recycling Policies: Issues and Effects; Lynn Scarlett, A Consumer's Guide to Environmental Myths and Realities

next time bring me some facts or just stay out because your posts are a waste of time. I'm trying to get an actual discussion going in this thread and your big blotches of text aren't helping at all. ;)

I have to go to work... Flayed or someone please come help this thread out.

[Phalanx]

I recycle.
Might not understand all the claimed benefits
Though in my point of view, I would assume remanufacturing/recycling uses less environmentally harmful elements, while re-using some materials that are in limited supply will make less of an impact on the planet - Trees...etc...yes they're sustainable, but more-so this way.

I don't think that anyone's forced to...but yeah it seems like your pickup guys are trying to promote it, probably more about their image though.
A lot of companies love to go on about how green they are.

[_____V_____]

Dont know what kind of laws you have up there, but I know this - anything forced cannot be good, however beneficial they say it is.

Being in one of the most-polluted countries myself, people here give two-shits about recycling. Most of the big cities have huge garbage dumps full of plastic and paper on their outskirts, while big banners inside them advertise cleanliness, being green, and recycling. Hypocritical much?

Nothing comes free, either. You buy the same recycled paper or plastic again. Maybe saving some corporate bigwig plenty of money but not the general paying public, who pay, pay and pay again.

And don't get me started on the "Save The Planet" bullshit. The next environmentalist or Greenpeace guy who says that better be ready to lose some of his teeth in the very next second of his uttering those words.

[missmacabre]

i think the main thing we can do is stop making waste. There is already so much garbage and plastic created for packaging. No matter how little space it takes up, it is a waste of space and the emissions created to melt down the plastic that does get recycled is rediculous. They should stop forcing recycling and start forcing the use of green bins. Companies are using more and more bio-degradable packaging and I think it sould be manditory. Enough of those plastic coated paper coffee cups. If you want your coffee to go, bring a thermos to Tim Hortons. (You get your coffee a few cents cheaper that way anyway, even more money saved if you make your morning coffee at home.)

Things like this aren't manditory yet, but I think the time is quickly approaching. In the meantime people need to start doing what they can, and use cloth grocery bags, reusable mugs etc.

[Ferox13]

There was a huge scandle here a year or so ago when it was leaked that huge amounts of our already sorted rubbish to be recycled was ending up in Land Fills in Spain.

Though I take waht they say with a pinch of salt the PENN & TELLER BULLSHIT episode on this subject was interesting..

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

i think the main thing we can do is stop making waste. There is already so much garbage and plastic created for packaging. No matter how little space it takes up, it is a waste of space and the emissions created to melt down the plastic that does get recycled is rediculous. They should stop forcing recycling and start forcing the use of green bins. Companies are using more and more bio-degradable packaging and I think it sould be manditory. Enough of those plastic coated paper coffee cups. If you want your coffee to go, bring a thermos to Tim Hortons. (You get your coffee a few cents cheaper that way anyway, even more money saved if you make your morning coffee at home.)

Things like this aren't manditory yet, but I think the time is quickly approaching. In the meantime people need to start doing what they can, and use cloth grocery bags, reusable mugs etc.

I agree with you 100%.

[urgeok2]

i do believe in recycling ...

living in a city the size of toronto - seeing them struggle to find places that will accept the trash (for money) is pretty sad.


my neighbourhood just went through a test for the last few months where we had to use transparent bags for garbage.

metal and recyclable plastics went in one bin, paper and cardboard went in another - and food garbage/kleenex/animal litter went into a green bin.

whatever was left went into the clear bags.

yeah it took more time and was a pain in the ass to do but i found that the more care we took to seperate these things, the very little 'true garbage' there was left.

i dont think we're doing it to save money - we're doing it to be better global citizens. when we see what the 'real garbage' is - i think you'll see the government and businesses finding ways to reduce that even more.

its not perfect yet - but its a big important first step.


dinosaurs - big giant fuckers who's every day existence was an eat or be eaten fight for survival lived on this planet for about 250 million years and left it pretty much the way they found it.

for a teeny fraction of that time humans have turned it into a garbage dump that gets worse every second. I'm all for being part of the solution.

[scouse mac]

Recycling is a extremely easy here. The council provide two bins, one for landfill waste and the other for recycle which includes all types of tins, plastics, paper and glass. They provide a list of things that cant be recycled but its very easy to follow.

One week they collect the landfill stuff and the second week they collect the recycle stuff. As its so easy there's no excuse for not recycling here and those that dont should be forced to live in the shit they help create.

[illdojo]

My girlfriend recycles, so I guess I recycle too. She's made me better @ it. I've noticed myself doing it away from home. I do think it's beneficial for the planet, but I don't think it should be forced. Just another way for "them" to control us. ;)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

i do believe in recycling ...

living in a city the size of toronto - seeing them struggle to find places that will accept the trash (for money) is pretty sad.


my neighbourhood just went through a test for the last few months where we had to use transparent bags for garbage.

metal and recyclable plastics went in one bin, paper and cardboard went in another - and food garbage/kleenex/animal litter went into a green bin.

whatever was left went into the clear bags.

yeah it took more time and was a pain in the ass to do but i found that the more care we took to seperate these things, the very little 'true garbage' there was left.

i dont think we're doing it to save money - we're doing it to be better global citizens. when we see what the 'real garbage' is - i think you'll see the government and businesses finding ways to reduce that even more.

its not perfect yet - but its a big important first step.


dinosaurs - big giant fuckers who's every day existence was an eat or be eaten fight for survival lived on this planet for about 250 million years and left it pretty much the way they found it.

for a teeny fraction of that time humans have turned it into a garbage dump that gets worse every second. I'm all for being part of the solution.

toronto is struggling to find places to dump garbage? seems like big news. do you have any links to this, I'd like to read about it.

"we're doing it to be better global citizens."

how is it making us better global citizens though?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Recycling is a extremely easy here. The council provide two bins, one for landfill waste and the other for recycle which includes all types of tins, plastics, paper and glass. They provide a list of things that cant be recycled but its very easy to follow.

One week they collect the landfill stuff and the second week they collect the recycle stuff. As its so easy there's no excuse for not recycling here and those that dont should be forced to live in the shit they help create.

not a lot of facts in this thread supporting the environmental benefits of recycling, a lot of "if you don't recycle, you're stupid and ruining the earth" though.

[scouse mac]

Why do you need hard facts to justify this? You're an intelligent person so someone stating the obvious surely isnt needed?

How about a basic example: recycle paper means fewer trees have to be cut down, less transportation and processing also which reduces pollution and preserves habitats for plants and animals. Clearly beneficial.

It can be said that the process of recycling also produces pollution but Im certain, without knowing hard facts and figures, that the positives far outweighs the negatives.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Why do you need hard facts to justify this? You're an intelligent person so someone stating the obvious surely isnt needed?

How about a basic example: recycle paper means fewer trees have to be cut down, less transportation and processing also which reduces pollution and preserves habitats for plants and animals. Clearly beneficial.

It can be said that the process of recycling also produces pollution but Im certain, without knowing hard facts and figures, that the positives far outweighs the negatives.

paper is made from pulpwood, which comes from soft wood trees such as pines, not from the mighty oaks or from old grown forests. There is land set aside for these trees to be grown and they are grown and re grown over and over making it a renewable resource.

creating new paper is a very simple process, recycling paper is not so easy. It has to be collected, cleaned, shredded and treated chemically before it can be turned into a paper that is of lesser quality. The treatment of recycled paper uses more chemicals than the original paper did, which is bad for the environment.

all in all, the recycled paper costs more than paper directly from wood pulp. The only reason the end cost is lower is because the government subsidizes its production, passing the additional costs onto taxpayer. So if recycled paper costs more to produce, causes higher tax rates, increases chemical pollution, why am I stupid to question the idea?

I'm not trying to convince people that I'm right, I'm trying to find someone who can convince me otherwise. I mean it is recycling and everyone thinks it's so great, surely there must be facts supporting why such a beneficial process is better than using landfills.

[Ferox13]

paper is made from pulpwood, which comes from soft wood trees such as pines, not from the mighty oaks or from old grown forests. There is land set aside for these trees to be grown and they are grown and re grown over and over making it a renewable resource.

creating new paper is a very simple process, recycling paper is not so easy. It has to be collected, cleaned, shredded and treated chemically before it can be turned into a paper that is of lesser quality. The treatment of recycled paper uses more chemicals than the original paper did, which is bad for the environment.

Yes a lot of people seem to forget this.

Also people seem to confuse recyling with 'saving money' - i think for the majority of products its cheaper to start from scratch than to recyle ( I think Alluminium and other metals are the exception).

I'll try have a look around to find some links.

[scouse mac]

all in all, the recycled paper costs more than paper directly from wood pulp. The only reason the end cost is lower is because the government subsidizes its production, passing the additional costs onto taxpayer. So if recycled paper costs more to produce, causes higher tax rates, increases chemical pollution, why am I stupid to question the idea?

I'm not trying to convince people that I'm right, I'm trying to find someone who can convince me otherwise. I mean it is recycling and everyone thinks it's so great, surely there must be facts supporting why such a beneficial process is better than using landfills.

You make a good point, especially with regard to cost. Although Ive always thought that if something can be reused then it should be ahead of throwing it away and making something from fresh materials.

It helps that its so easy to recycle here and it doesnt take up any time to sort it.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

You make a good point, especially with regard to cost. Although Ive always thought that if something can be reused then it should be ahead of throwing it away and making something from fresh materials.

It helps that its so easy to recycle here and it doesnt take up any time to sort it.

lucky. it's a complicated and forced system over here.

I definitely agree that reusing something is better than throwing it away and making something new with fresh materials. I reuse whatever I can. :)

I know some people who never re-use containers because they think that the more things they recycle, the more they are doing to HELP out the environment. :(

ask some people you know about what they know about recycling, it might surprise you.

here is my strategy to help the environment, it's simple like the three R's.

STOP LIVING LIKE FUCKING PIGS

[urgeok2]

toronto is struggling to find places to dump garbage? seems like big news. do you have any links to this, I'd like to read about it.

"we're doing it to be better global citizens."

how is it making us better global citizens though?

google : toronto Shipping Garbage .. you'll get a ton of hits.


i probably should have used a different term .. better 'tennants of the earth'
is what i was shooting for... when we're forced - by law - to examine our own waste .. some of us might make enough better choices to start making a difference.

i recycle far more food waste than i did before ... and we tend to avoid over packaged materials. every little bit helps - hopefully overall the social conciousness will be raised enough to make it a new standard of living.


I have a natural adversity to authority and big brother myself - but some things make enough sense to be made into law...

[missmacabre]

and in case you don't want to google it, i will vouch for Urge. It's been in the news quite a bit the past few years, Toronto ships its garbage to other places through out the GTA.

[urgeok2]

and in case you don't want to google it, i will vouch for Urge. It's been in the news quite a bit the past few years, Toronto ships its garbage to other places through out the GTA.

actually - they are shipping it to the USA by truck !!

[Despare]

Who cares if it's good for the environment? We shouldn't be forced to do good things, and if it were to become mandatory here I would go out of my way to make sure I didn't recycle. Also, thanks to our lovely governor, we get tons of your trash. YaY

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

google : toronto Shipping Garbage .. you'll get a ton of hits.


i probably should have used a different term .. better 'tennants of the earth'
is what i was shooting for... when we're forced - by law - to examine our own waste .. some of us might make enough better choices to start making a difference.

i recycle far more food waste than i did before ... and we tend to avoid over packaged materials. every little bit helps - hopefully overall the social conciousness will be raised enough to make it a new standard of living.


I have a natural adversity to authority and big brother myself - but some things make enough sense to be made into law...

I googled it. from what I read, it's a Toronto problem and has nothing to do with the limited space for the garbage. more to do with morons... shipping it to michigan by truck is ridiculous.

[ferretchucker]

Recycling is encouraged, but not forced. But if they find anything that cannot be recycled in our recycling bins, they wont collect it. But around here, it suddenly came out that when they couldn't be bothered with the fuss anymore, all of the town's stuff we recycled to try and do our bit was being sent to the same landfill as the ordinary stuff. :mad:

[Despare]

shipping it to michigan by truck is ridiculous.

Stop giving us your garbage! Have you been to Detroit? Seriously... we have enough.

[Rayne]

Stop giving us your garbage! Have you been to Detroit? Seriously... we have enough.

It's okay, maybe you guys can work out a deal where you can pump your sewage up there in exchange :p