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_____V_____
02-18-2009, 07:48 PM
We have compiled almost all sorts of Top 100 lists to represent our collective tastes in horror here at HDC.
But, one final compilation has still been elusive.
The Asian horror scene has been going strong for almost as long as US & British horror, since Gojira (or possibly earlier, if I am missing anything before it). It would be a crime to leave it unrepresented, and with horror fans really curious about which Asian horror flicks they should be checking out, I think this will indeed be a really worthwhile project.
With the support of all of you, Despare is willing to compile a Top 100 for Asian Horror, as chosen by HDC. I think most of us are well versed in this particular branch, and will do our countless Asian horror fans of the world a ton of good by suggesting 100 of the best for them to watch at any time of the day. So sit back with your thinking caps on, and send Despare your lists of around 20-25 flicks (at least 10), in your favorite order.
Despare is also open to all sorts of suggestions here.
Shall we do an alphabetical one, or go for #100 to #01, its up to you. Of course, you will be choosing Judges for this also, if it will be just an alphabetical compilation. If it is to be a Top 100 ranked list, your rankings of the movies in your list will be taken into account.
You can contact Despare via PM, or email him at his email addy.
The deadline for submitting your lists of recs is 01st March 2009, unless Despare extends it any further.
bwind22
02-18-2009, 07:59 PM
I don't watch much asian horror. I've probably only seen 10-12 total. There's a grand total of 3 that I like and maybe 7-8 I thought sucked. My dilemma is this... I don't want to rank a film that I thought sucked #4 on my list so should I just sit this one out or should I send a list of my top 3?
_____V_____
02-18-2009, 08:02 PM
I say send em. And you can always watch some more in the meanwhile, bw. You can send me a second list anytime between now and the deadline, which I will announce later.
neverending
02-18-2009, 09:16 PM
This is a great idea and a worthy project. I really like Asian horror, and do my best to watch whatever I can. I'll defintely send in a list.
I nominate Chrono, Angra & Roshiq as judges for this. All three contribute frequently to the Asian forum and are well versed in the history of the genre.
fortunato
02-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Yeah, I'll help in any way that I can as well.
And I'll try and get a list together tomorrow.
_____V_____
02-18-2009, 09:58 PM
I am counting on Flayed, Despare and Zwoti in this, too. All of them have plenty of history on Asian horror IMO.
You may rank your noms according to your favs. We can have a countdown list (one which we havent had since the original HDC Top 100), and see which Asian horror flick gets to be #1.
It could end up to be quite a battle for the top honors though.
roshiq
02-18-2009, 11:32 PM
Wow! I was actually thinking something like that too that it'd be nice if there is at least an Asian Horror Recommendation thread at the Asian Horror section where members can suggests/recommends others some good Asian films to check out (like the HDC Recommendations at Modern Horror section). Anyway, thanks to V for coming with this fantastic & better idea. As a good fan of Asian horror I'm ready to contribute in any possible way with the best of my knowledge about the genre and surely within a day or two you'll get a list from me.
Thanks to NE for you honorable nomination for me.:)
Elvis_Christ
02-18-2009, 11:47 PM
Hmmm I'm not very well versed on Asian horror but I'll sort out something.
Disease
02-19-2009, 03:10 AM
Are you including Australian movies in this? I'm just asking as they are lumped with asia in economic situations quite often demographicly in research studies. They also play in the asia cup, etc, etc.
Papillon Noir
02-19-2009, 04:57 AM
Can we include anime or is it live action only? Also, if anime is included can you include series or would it just be single movies?
ferretchucker
02-19-2009, 05:09 AM
I sent in five. I've never really been a big fan of asian horror films. I don't like reading subtitles and when they're badly dubbed I just can't stop laughing.
Despare
02-19-2009, 05:34 AM
Can we include anime or is it live action only? Also, if anime is included can you include series or would it just be single movies?
I think we would HAVE to include anime as it's very influential in the sub-genre of Asian horror and in Asian culture. I would say we should stick to movies and not series but many anime series do have a movie or two associated with them. It would be a travesty to leave a film like Perfect Blue or Akira (I'm not a huge Akira fan but it's SO important to the sub-genre) out of this list (and no, those aren't the only anime films I'd deem worthy to be on the list).
crabapple
02-19-2009, 06:54 AM
A personal favorite of mine is "A Chinese Ghost Story" from 1986...the first in the series, and the best of that series. A very fine attempt at making a film that is like a folk tale/fairytale, with a diverse mixture of elements. Someone lent it to me in the mid-90's and I think I watched it five or six times in a row, it was so much fun.
_____V_____
02-19-2009, 07:13 AM
Are you including Australian movies in this? I'm just asking as they are lumped with asia in economic situations quite often demographicly in research studies. They also play in the asia cup, etc, etc.
Strictly Asian.
Can we include anime or is it live action only? Also, if anime is included can you include series or would it just be single movies?
Like Des said, it plays a really big part in Asian horror. So it will be imperative to add in any brilliant animated flicks like Perfect Blue to the mix.
Wonderful rec, Crabby. Please think of some more and send me a list. I think this will be a very interesting 100 to compile, seeing the diversity of Asian horror transcends just about all sub-genres of the main Horror genre.
crabapple
02-19-2009, 07:18 AM
Are Filipino films included? Because everyone knows I am a big fan of "Mad Doctor of Blood Island," that is a drive-in horror classic.
_____V_____
02-19-2009, 07:22 AM
Sure. Any Asian horror flick which is a cult classic should have its own space in this compilation.
_____V_____
02-19-2009, 08:58 AM
On a side note, are we going to do a compiled 100 (listed alphabetically) or going for a countdown Top 100 (ala the HDC Top 100 list)?
If the former, we will need Judges and plenty of comprehensive lists with good recs. In the case of the latter, please be sure of sending in your list of flicks in the order of your favorites in it - from your most favorite Asian horror flick, and second fav, so on...downwards.
Paul the Monk
02-19-2009, 10:22 AM
I have watched only a handful of asian horror films. But I will dig up some and defenitely send it over!:)
roshiq
02-19-2009, 12:10 PM
On a side note, are we going to do a compiled 100 (listed alphabetically) or going for a countdown Top 100 (ala the HDC Top 100 list)?
If the former, we will need Judges and plenty of comprehensive lists with good recs. In the case of the latter, please be sure of sending in your list of flicks in the order of your favorites in it - from your most favorite Asian horror flick, and second fav, so on...downwards.
I'll like to prefer the 2nd one, on the countdown basis but it'd nice to see a comprehensive list of good recs. also with that.
Though Despare picked a strong point but the sad thing is I haven't seen much of Asian Animes to recommend.:o :(
Papillon Noir
02-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Like Des said, it plays a really big part in Asian horror. So it will be imperative to add in any brilliant animated flicks like Perfect Blue to the mix.
Good! Perfect Blue immediately came to mind :D I'll send mine in tomorrow.
Disease
02-19-2009, 02:53 PM
A personal favorite of mine is "A Chinese Ghost Story" from 1986...the first in the series, and the best of that series. A very fine attempt at making a film that is like a folk tale/fairytale, with a diverse mixture of elements. Someone lent it to me in the mid-90's and I think I watched it five or six times in a row, it was so much fun.
That used to get shown on TV reguarly when I was a teenager, what I remember most is the nudity.. :eek:
Elvis_Christ
02-19-2009, 06:05 PM
My limited list:
Flower Of Flesh and Blood
Junk
The Grudge
Urotsukidoji
Wicked City
Most of the Asian cinema I watch isn't horror Lady Snowblood, Female Convict: Scorpion etc.
Looking forward to seeing the list and getting some recs...
crabapple
02-19-2009, 06:54 PM
That used to get shown on TV reguarly when I was a teenager, what I remember most is the nudity.. :eek:
Actually, you might have seen one of the sequels...Part 1 had no nudity, barely any skin shown...it's more a ghosts and monsters type fantasy.
Disease
02-19-2009, 07:06 PM
Actually, you might have seen one of the sequels...Part 1 had no nudity, barely any skin shown...it's more a ghosts and monsters type fantasy.
There is three of them movies I think so maybe it was part 2 I think.. ahh, the tities have blured my memory...
milktoaste
02-19-2009, 07:14 PM
Ok, I'm going to wing it, I may have to add some later as I remember them,
in no particular order:
*Meatball Machine
*Tokyo Gore Police
*Giunea Pig; Devils Experiment, Flowers of Flesh and Blood, Mermaid in the Manhole and He never Dies(The 'making of' on Flowers of Flesh and Blood covers all movies and IMO is better than the movies themselves.)
*Ichi the Killer
*Audition
I think I'm having a hard time discerning Japanese fighting,scifi and action movies from horror, they have such different standards there.
* Versus was more of an action/scifi film, but filled with gore/horror elements. *Sharkskin Man and Peach Hip Girl was a super freaking awesome movie!
*Oldboy is fresh in my memory from recent posts-great movie.
Ok, beer is not helping my memory right now.
Disease
02-19-2009, 07:32 PM
Meatball machine was fun, but it was pretty crap...
I wasn't going to sugest any as everything I sugest will probaly show up anyway, and if it doesn't then I will know not to trust human kind again.
milktoaste
02-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Meatball machine was fun, but it was pretty crap...
I wasn't going to sugest any as everything I sugest will probaly show up anyway, and if it doesn't then I will know not to trust human kind again.
Meatball was fun, and I think that's what alot of Japanese horror is all about. Atleast the Manga style shock-horror movies. I think there is a large market for more of these 'crap', 'fun' movies, and I bet we see more of them in the future. Atleast I sure hope we do.
I'm not mentioning any remade for American audience movies either, because they're like shooting fish in a barrel. I also didn't mention any anime, because the list of anime horror is only second to anime porn. It's seriously extensive, and filled with tentacles.
P.S. You probably shouldn't trust human kind anyway.
Elvis_Christ
02-19-2009, 09:41 PM
I wouldn't class Ichi the Killer as horror.
_____V_____
02-19-2009, 11:20 PM
I wouldnt class Oldboy as horror either. Versus, however, comes under the genre because of the subject elements.
We have to draw a line somewhere. I think the debate is open for Ichi, Audition and Tetsuo type flicks. I d like to hear more on this from everyone.
Elvis_Christ
02-19-2009, 11:34 PM
I agree, Versus is definitley horror bordering on action just like Dog Soldiers.
Tetsuo can be classed as horror I think. The mutation themes in it make it slip into the genre. Ichi is more of a crime/gangster flick that is popular with your typical horror fan because of the extremes it went to in terms of violence.
_____V_____
02-19-2009, 11:37 PM
Ichi is more of a crime/gangster flick that is popular with your typical horror fan because of the extremes it went to in terms of violence.
My thoughts too. Let's wait and hear what others have to say about this.
scouse mac
02-20-2009, 12:32 AM
Ive thought the same thing regarding flicks like Oldboy and Ichi.
The type of violence in Ichi is similar (although more extreme) to the likes of Casino and Goodfellas, out and out gangster films, and we wouldn't consider them to be horror.
Doc Faustus
02-20-2009, 07:03 AM
I'd say Ichi is a fusion of genres. And of course you all know how expansive my definition of the genre is. In spite of the gang backdrop, it's a story of trauma and psychological warping. Just because the desperate murderer is in a gang environment doesn't make it any less of a horror film. Levying this accusation against Ichi is like leveling it against Innocent Blood or saying Isle of the Dead is about Greek history.
milktoaste
02-20-2009, 07:42 AM
I think there's going to be a lot of grey area when deciding what is and is not horror in Japanese cinema. Most of there genres carry elements of horror in them.
Despare
02-20-2009, 08:04 AM
Why don't we see how many lists a movie is on before pulling from the gray area and stuffing it into a genre ourselves.
urgeok2
02-20-2009, 09:37 AM
why dont we just call the list asian horror/exploitation flicks
after all, samurai movies are the origional 'slashers' :)
_____V_____
02-20-2009, 09:42 AM
Then the first recommendation from Zwoti would be - Sex and Fury.
zwoti
02-20-2009, 09:51 AM
Then the first recommendation from Zwoti would be - Sex and Fury.
so many better samurai films to choose
_____V_____
02-20-2009, 09:52 AM
But not many samurai-exploitation ones.
zwoti
02-20-2009, 09:56 AM
But not many samurai-exploitation ones.
hanzo comes to mind :cool:
_____V_____
02-20-2009, 09:58 AM
Why am I not surprised at all? ;)
ChronoGrl
02-21-2009, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the nomination, NE!
I would be honored to assist in the judging, but there are still so many movies that I have yet to see.
Also, I think that picking "Top 100 Asian Horror Movies" is tough. Just like any Western set of horror movies, there are just as many Asian additions to the sub-genres of horror - I'm not sure that "Asian" should be considered a sub-genre.
I wouldnt class Oldboy as horror either. Versus, however, comes under the genre because of the subject elements.
We have to draw a line somewhere. I think the debate is open for Ichi, Audition and Tetsuo type flicks. I d like to hear more on this from everyone.
See, I would have to argue with you here. I think that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance most certainly qualify for horror. With Oldboy, Park is exploring Gothic Horror (dickensian horror) to its extremities. It's horrifying. It's pulp. And it's iconic. It's the struggle of the human condition against itself and against all odds. And there are certain twists in the film that are honestly horrifying.
It's the same argument that Doc uses for Ichi - It's as much psychological horror as it is pulp action. I would definitely consider Oldboy horror.
_____V_____
02-21-2009, 07:57 AM
That is why the topic will be open for discussion once the deadline for submitting lists is over.
I have received 3 small lists from Ferretchucker, bwind & scouse mac, and a slightly longer one from NeverEnding so far. Also, I have made my own list of recs of about 60-odd flicks for this compilation. Awaiting more entries from all the gurus of Asian and J-Horror in HDC right now.
ChronoGrl
02-21-2009, 08:16 AM
You know what? I deserve no title of judge. I've been Googling "Top/Best Asian Horror" to refresh my memory, and there are a SCORE of movies that I haven't even SEEN that keep appearing on these lists:
Pulse (Kairo)
Kwaidan
Onibaba
Ringu
Cure
Suicide Club
Rahtree: Flower of the Night
Chinese Ghost Story
Uzumaki
Versus
Evil Dead Trap
Entrails of a Virgin
Dark Water
crabapple
02-21-2009, 08:58 AM
I have not seen all of the movies mentioned, but because they are two of my favorites and I am well familiar with them, I submit "A Chinese Ghost Story" ("Sien nui yau wan," and it's actually from 1987, my mistake) and "Mad Doctor of Blood Island" with a strong vote of personal approval, and I'd be happy to review both of them if blurbs are needed.
roshiq
02-21-2009, 10:57 AM
See, I would have to argue with you here. I think that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance most certainly qualify for horror. With Oldboy, Park is exploring Gothic Horror (dickensian horror) to its extremities. It's horrifying. It's pulp. And it's iconic. It's the struggle of the human condition against itself and against all odds. And there are certain twists in the film that are honestly horrifying.
It's the same argument that Doc uses for Ichi - It's as much psychological horror as it is pulp action. I would definitely consider Oldboy horror.
Though there's always been an argument that Park's Vengeance trilogy shouldn't be consider or tagged into Horror genre rather than should grouped as a revenge flick but I'm here also like to agree with Chrono besides the fact that we are actually huge fan of the trilogy:D.
I think the way Park leveled the 'revenge' issue in this films could be marked as the worst nightmare for any human being for example how about the most disturbing twist of Oldboy? How could a man bear that kinda shocking & horrifying truth for the rest of his life? Besides the unique storyline with convincing amount of gore & torture parts the viewers here also confronting the moral dilemma of the characters & situations in a horrified way that can even able to left an impact for a long time. Same thing goes for Mr. and Lady Vengeance also.
Now, what about Memories of Murder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353969/)? Like David Fincher's Zodiac it was also based on true events of serial killings by a murderer who never get caught, and it's also not a typical serial killer movie..more than that. Instead of focusing on the murder scenes and shocking images like most conventional serial killer films, the movie puts much more time and details into the story, its characters and the situation of the time the incidents took place. If we can categorized Zodiac as Horror then why not Memories of Murder? To some extent personally I feel MOM is more compelling and chilling than Zodiac.
My another consideration goes for Battle Royale as a survival horror which I believe is easily going to secure a place in the top 10!
roshiq
02-21-2009, 11:28 AM
You know what? I deserve no title of judge. I've been Googling "Top/Best Asian Horror" to refresh my memory, and there are a SCORE of movies that I haven't even SEEN that keep appearing on these lists:
Pulse (Kairo)
Cure
Rahtree: Flower of the Night
Chinese Ghost Story
Uzumaki
Evil Dead Trap
Entrails of a Virgin
I like to add the following films with chrono's list:
A page of madness (1926)
Song at the night (1937)
Ugestu Mongatari (1953)
Jigoku (1960)
Matango (1963)
Woman in the Dunes (1964)
A Chinese ghost story (1987)
Untold story (1993)
301-302 (1995)
Perfect Blue (1998)
Tell me something (1999)
The Echo (2004)
So the thing Chrono said same applied for me also. But right now watching Onibaba at youtube (already completed 6 out of 11 parts!) and will watch Kairo next!:)
Disease
02-21-2009, 12:43 PM
I think "The Host" should be included.
Despare
02-21-2009, 01:07 PM
Pulse (Kairo)
Kwaidan
Onibaba
Ringu
Cure
Suicide Club
Chinese Ghost Story
Uzumaki
Versus
Evil Dead Trap
Entrails of a Virgin
All of those will be on my list for sure (well, I'll have to watch Cure and H again to make sure they're both deserving as I remember them being very similar) and you need to check them out Chrono. Ringu was ok but it's a landmark film so I can see it being included.
I think "The Host" should be included.
It will be on my list as well, one of the best creature features to come from the East in quite some time.
Angra
02-21-2009, 01:39 PM
1. Ju-on
2. A tale of two sisters
3. Kairo
4. One missed call
5. Re-cycle
6. Uzumaki
7. Ringu
8. Reincarnation
9. Ju-on: the grudge 2
10. Shutter
11. Imprint
12. Audition
13. Vampire hunter D: bloodlust
14. The host
15. Suicide club
16. The eye
17. Inner senses
18. Ichi the killer
19. Sisily 2km
20. Dark water
21. R-point
22. Save the green planet
23. Ghost actress
24. The dollmaster
25. Ghost tunnel
26. Three... extremes 2
27. We're going to eat you
28. Haunted school
29. ringu 0
30. Ju-on: the grudge
31. ringu 2
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Worth mentioning:
1. Spirited away (not really horror, but it contains lots of ghosts and monsters)
2. Tomie - rebirth (not a fan of the Tomie franchise, but Takashi Shimizu's contribution is by far the best in the series, imho)
3. Bhoot (interesting because it's Indian and because of some very good performances by the lead actor and the guy playing the cop)
4. Kwaidan (just because it's a classic)
5. Wild Zero (Cult)
6. Sairen (Because it's better than the games) :D
Disease
02-21-2009, 01:46 PM
I found R-Point a bit boring, maybe what I had read built it up a little to much.
Angra
02-21-2009, 01:54 PM
I found R-Point a bit boring, maybe what I had read built it up a little to much.
Thought the pacing was a bit higher than the usual asian ghost movies.
Disease
02-21-2009, 02:01 PM
Thought the pacing was a bit higher than the usual asian ghost movies.
I guess we disagree then.
I found R-Point a bit boring, maybe what I had read built it up a little to much.
agreed................
Despare
02-21-2009, 03:52 PM
agreed................
I disagree and tend to lean more toward Angra's side. It wasn't the pacing that hurt the film and the atmosphere was brilliant, if anything should deduct points from this one it would have to be the writing and acting which was sub-par IMO. It will be on my list as it's a great Asian ghost story but it's not my favorite.
I disagree and tend to lean more toward Angra's side. It wasn't the pacing that hurt the film and the atmosphere was brilliant, if anything should deduct points from this one it would have to be the writing and acting which was sub-par IMO. It will be on my list as it's a great Asian ghost story but it's not my favorite.
agreed...............
ChronoGrl
02-22-2009, 05:33 AM
All of those will be on my list for sure (well, I'll have to watch Cure and H again to make sure they're both deserving as I remember them being very similar) and you need to check them out Chrono. Ringu was ok but it's a landmark film so I can see it being included.
I really need to check them out - It's been a while since I've done an Asian horror marathon, so maybe I'll just throw those up toward the top of my queue.
Any of those your personal favorites more than the others?
1. Ju-on
2. A tale of two sisters
3. Kairo
4. One missed call
5. Re-cycle
6. Uzumaki
7. Ringu
8. Reincarnation
9. Ju-on: the grudge 2
10. Shutter
11. Imprint
12. Audition
13. Vampire hunter D: bloodlust
14. The host
15. Suicide club
16. The eye
17. Inner senses
18. Ichi the killer
19. Sisily 2km
20. Dark water
21. R-point
22. Save the green planet
23. Ghost actress
24. The dollmaster
25. Ghost tunnel
26. Three... extremes 2
27. We're going to eat you
28. Haunted school
29. ringu 0
30. Ju-on: the grudge
31. ringu 2
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Worth mentioning:
1. Spirited away (not really horror, but it contains lots of ghosts and monsters)
2. Tomie - rebirth (not a fan of the Tomie franchise, but Takashi Shimizu's contribution is by far the best in the series, imho)
3. Bhoot (interesting because it's Indian and because of some very good performances by the lead actor and the guy playing the cop)
4. Kwaidan (just because it's a classic)
5. Wild Zero (Cult)
6. Sairen (Because it's better than the games) :D
Where's Godzilla?! :eek:
Of those movies - Most of the ones (that I've seen) made it onto the list I sent over to V.
The ones I've seen that I omitted, I find pretty overrated:
A tale of two sisters
Re-cycle
The eye
Ju-on: the grudge 2
ringu 0
Seriously - What's so great about Ju-on 2? It was SO ridiculously low-budget it drove me crazy. I felt as though he had NO money and just threw together everything he had (which wasn't much) just to capitalize on Ju-on's fame.
...
I know that question was asked, but I think that Paprika (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0851578/) should belong on this list.
roshiq
02-22-2009, 06:25 AM
The ones I've seen that I omitted, I find pretty overrated:
A tale of two sisters
Re-cycle
The eye
omg...then what else you have put into the list?:rolleyes:
I think it'll be really a bit tough & interesting job to finally compile the list of 100!
crabapple
02-22-2009, 07:41 AM
Oh yeah...and for sheer off-the-wall audacity, "Wild Zero" gets a vote from me...crazy flick.
"Tsui Hark's Vampire Hunters," that one also is fun, nowhere near as good as "Chinese Ghost Story," but a decent vampire romp with some fairly intense vampires.
_____V_____
02-22-2009, 07:45 AM
I have not seen all of the movies mentioned, but because they are two of my favorites and I am well familiar with them, I submit "A Chinese Ghost Story" ("Sien nui yau wan," and it's actually from 1987, my mistake) and "Mad Doctor of Blood Island" with a strong vote of personal approval, and I'd be happy to review both of them if blurbs are needed.
Both are included under your entry, crabby. And if they secure a place in the final 100 you will have to write the blurbs.
Oh yeah...and for sheer off-the-wall audacity, "Wild Zero" gets a vote from me...crazy flick.
"Tsui Hark's Vampire Hunters," that one also is fun, nowhere near as good as "Chinese Ghost Story," but a decent vampire romp with some fairly intense vampires.
Noted too.
Wonderful list, Angra. Keep thinking of more. I am a bit skeptical of Bhoot though. It isnt exactly THE best Indian horror flick, and the premise was essentially a re-hash of an episode of a horror series on Indian television awhile back.
I have received quite a nice list from Chrono too. Good job, woman! Keep thinking of more.
I think this will be a Top 100 which will always be open to discussion and future updates, if possible. Although I feel pretty confident in saying that the 100 finalised from the recs now will possibly stay for a long time.
I am waiting for plenty more lists - especially from Despare, Flayed, Urge, Zwoti, Manchestr and everyone else who is into Asian horror.
Doc Faustus
02-22-2009, 07:57 AM
My list, though I will admit to being no expert. In really no particular order:
Gojira
Perfect Blue
Paprika
Silk
Kwaidan
Godzilla versus Hedorah (the most horrorcentric of Godzilla movies, very Lovecraftian)
Matango
Frankenstein Conquers the World
Ichi the Killer
MPD Psycho (I know it's a miniseries, but I think it deserves a spot)
Ninja Scroll
Terrifying Girl's High School Lynch Law Classroom
Female Yakuza: Inquisition and Torture
Suicide Club
Zeiram (so bad it's awesome)
The Bride With White Hair
Audition
Rashomon
Ju-On
Tetsuo:the Iron Man
Yog:Monster from Space
Ghidrah the three headed Monster
The H Man
The Green Slime
The Host
zwoti
02-22-2009, 08:06 AM
I found R-Point a bit boring, maybe what I had read built it up a little to much.
r-point was ok, the guardpost was better.
zwoti
02-22-2009, 08:07 AM
The Green Slime
:p:p:p:p:p
so much fun
ChronoGrl
02-22-2009, 08:08 AM
omg...then what else you have put into the list?:rolleyes:
I think it'll be really a bit tough & interesting job to finally compile the list of 100!
This is what I sent over to V:
Godzilla
The Host
Audition
Three... Extremes
Three... Extremes II
Oldboy
Lady Vengeance
Ju-On (The Grudge)
Rinne (Reincarnation)
Shutter
Ichi the Killer
Battle Royale
Gozu
Tokyo Gore Police
One Missed Call
Matango (Attack of the Mushroom People)
Xte: Hair Extensions
The Maid
Imprint
Tetsuo
The Red Shoes
Bio-Zombie
Paprika
Doc Faustus
02-22-2009, 08:13 AM
:p:p:p:p:p
so much fun
Very underappreciated Toho gem.
ChronoGrl
02-22-2009, 08:15 AM
MPD Psycho (I know it's a miniseries, but I think it deserves a spot)
I own this and STILL haven't seen it - Maybe I'll pop it in tonight.
V - Thanks for this thread - I am getting SO many recommendations!!!
Doc Faustus
02-22-2009, 08:26 AM
Don't try it in a sitting. There's a chance your brain will eat itself. You might want to go two episodes at a time.
zwoti
02-22-2009, 09:45 AM
so it this horror & exploitation or has it expanded yet?
my list is at 80 and counting so far....
Angra
02-22-2009, 10:00 AM
This is what I sent over to V:
Godzilla
The Host
Audition
Three... Extremes
Three... Extremes II
Oldboy
Lady Vengeance
Ju-On (The Grudge)
Rinne (Reincarnation)
Shutter
Ichi the Killer
Battle Royale
Gozu
Tokyo Gore Police
One Missed Call
Matango (Attack of the Mushroom People)
Xte: Hair Extensions
The Maid
Imprint
Tetsuo
The Red Shoes
Bio-Zombie
Paprika
Why are Oldboy and Lady Vengeance on the list???
Angra
02-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Seriously - What's so great about Ju-on 2? It was SO ridiculously low-budget it drove me crazy. I felt as though he had NO money and just threw together everything he had (which wasn't much) just to capitalize on Ju-on's fame.
...
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First off, Godzilla sucks.
Second, funny you should mention the low budget for Ju-on the grudge 2, coz as i see it it's the ju-on movie with the biggest budget and the best effects. I also liked a lot of Shimizu's ideas in this one, especially because they seemed new and original and not JUST rehash, as i thought was the case with his former 2 ju-on movies.
Yes, maybe the story itself was a little weak, but then again, the story is pretty much the same in all the ju-on and Grudge movies. I watch them for Shimizus creative mind.
_____V_____
02-22-2009, 10:33 AM
so it this horror & exploitation or has it expanded yet?
my list is at 80 and counting so far....
I have 61 so far, but almost all of it is horror.
Think we need to give some space for horror/exploitation to accomodate Tetsuo, Ichi and other related flicks.
I d like to hear what others say on this. Of course, I m still very much in doubt regarding Oldboy. Where do we actually draw the line here?
Angra
02-22-2009, 10:50 AM
I have 61 so far, but almost all of it is horror.
Think we need to give some space for horror/exploitation to accomodate Tetsuo, Ichi and other related flicks.
I d like to hear what others say on this. Of course, I m still very much in doubt regarding Oldboy. Where do we actually draw the line here?
I really don't see why Oldboy should be on the list?
Sure it's one of the best aisan movies out there, but it's no way near horror.
The same can be said about Lady Vengeance i'm sure.
Another Anime i'd like to add is "Fist of the north star". Because it's grotesquely violent and bloody. And quite good actually.
crabapple
02-22-2009, 12:19 PM
First off, Godzilla sucks.
Oh, now just wait one gosh-darned second. Godzilla is awesome!
ChronoGrl
02-22-2009, 03:47 PM
Why are Oldboy and Lady Vengeance on the list???
*AHEM*
See, I would have to argue with you here. I think that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance most certainly qualify for horror. With Oldboy, Park is exploring Gothic Horror (dickensian horror) to its extremities. It's horrifying. It's pulp. And it's iconic. It's the struggle of the human condition against itself and against all odds. And there are certain twists in the film that are honestly horrifying.
It's the same argument that Doc uses for Ichi - It's as much psychological horror as it is pulp action. I would definitely consider Oldboy horror.
...
First off, Godzilla sucks.
You can't deny Godzilla's status of influential monster movie icon.
Second, funny you should mention the low budget for Ju-on the grudge 2, coz as i see it it's the ju-on movie with the biggest budget and the best effects. I also liked a lot of Shimizu's ideas in this one, especially because they seemed new and original and not JUST rehash, as i thought was the case with his former 2 ju-on movies.
Yes, maybe the story itself was a little weak, but then again, the story is pretty much the same in all the ju-on and Grudge movies. I watch them for Shimizus creative mind.
Then why the hell did it look like ass?
I don't think that it looked any higher budget than the first one. I thought that the ghosts and special effects looked painfully cheap and tacky where in the first one and in Rinne I thought that the ghosts and folly work were both brilliantly well-done.
Ju-on 2 was just painful to watch.
Doc Faustus
02-22-2009, 04:32 PM
Ju-On 2 is needlessly slow. It has only one redeeming scene. As for Godzilla...well, you know my sentiments on that. The original is one of the best films about the horrors of war ever made and the others create a world of fantasy and bizarre action that you can't get anywhere else. Most of them do not have strong horror elements, but Godzilla versus Hedorah features sentient space garbage that melts people, a Lovecraftian filth god that threatens to absorb the earth. It's awesome, surreal and has one great monster.
Elvis_Christ
02-22-2009, 04:36 PM
Godzilla is great. Part of its charm is its awfulness.
Angra
02-22-2009, 09:50 PM
Ju-On 2 is needlessly slow. It has only one redeeming scene. .
You do know we're talking about Ju-on: the grudge 2 and not Ju-on 2, right?
Angra
02-22-2009, 09:58 PM
*AHEM*
.
Your arguments stinks.
If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.
And how can we argue about Ichi? That movie is gory and gross as hell. Of course THAT's a horror movie.
roshiq
02-23-2009, 01:36 AM
I have made a temporary list of 32 films that I have seen so far but there may be some adjustments (add/remove) before sending it to V.
I'm not sure whether it'd worth or not but will it be okay to make another list for recommendation (that I haven't seen yet!) based on the high ratings & positive reviews from different viewers & movie sites?
_____V_____
02-23-2009, 05:15 AM
Your arguments stinks.
If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.
Oldboy is called a "bizarre, powerful and fucked up" thriller, and a part of The Vengeance trilogy of Chan Wook Park. I dont see it listed under horror anywhere.
But if we are leaving the window open by including Se7en and other similar thrillers under the genre's broad definition, Oldboy stakes a claim too.
So...what will it be?
Angra
02-23-2009, 05:28 AM
This might come as quite a shock for you V, but i say no to movies such as Oldboy.
If Oldboy and Co. gets accepted, I'd like to add Tony Jaa's "The Protector" as it shows the horrors of elephant killings in asia.. and it's damn good.
Despare
02-23-2009, 06:25 AM
Any of those your personal favorites more than the others?
When I finish my list I'll let you know which ones I personally enjoy more.
The ones I've seen that I omitted, I find pretty overrated:
A tale of two sisters
Re-cycle
The eye
Ju-on: the grudge 2
ringu 0
I'm with you on all but Eye and Tale. I have both Eye movies and find them very effective and as far as Tale of Two Sisters, I sat down and watched that flick followed by Audition with a buddy and both of us liked Tale better.
roshiq
02-23-2009, 06:59 AM
But if we are leaving the window open by including Se7en and other similar thrillers under the genre's broad definition, Oldboy stakes a claim too.
So...what will it be?
then it also easily deserve a place in the list along with the other two vengeance films and obviously Memories of Murder.:cool:
Doc Faustus
02-23-2009, 07:06 AM
Horror novelists and scholars prefer an inclusive definition of the genre. If that's the way Stephen King, Clive Barker, Kim Newman and others like them think of the genre, I think it's a smart way for fans to approach it. If we only went with movies that were undeniably horror with no crossgenre content, no uniqueness of setting and nothing debatable in tone, we'd end up with...umm....well, there's...
ferretchucker
02-23-2009, 07:08 AM
Your arguments stinks.
If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.
And how can we argue about Ichi? That movie is gory and gross as hell. Of course THAT's a horror movie.
STOP IT, ALL OF YOU! You're tearing this family apart!
Seriously, I didn't know people cared so much about Asian Horror.
As for Godzilla, I thought the first film was worth a watch and the rest were good for laughs at how bad they were. Especially with the inclusion of Monsterland and Minilla.
ChronoGrl
02-23-2009, 07:19 AM
Your arguments stinks.
If we look at it like that EVERY movie is a horror movie in one way or another.
And how can we argue about Ichi? That movie is gory and gross as hell. Of course THAT's a horror movie.
YOUR "slippery slope" argument stinks.
Oldboy and Lady Vengeance have classic gothic horror themes that make the movie more than just another Asian action flick. Note that I haven't included "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" here. The line that I am drawing is that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance both include intense horror themes that challenge the audience's perception. "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" is more of a pulp action drama.
They're not just action - There's more going on that follows classic horror themes.
Angra
02-23-2009, 07:39 AM
YOUR "slippery slope" argument stinks.
Oldboy and Lady Vengeance have classic gothic horror themes that make the movie more than just another Asian action flick. Note that I haven't included "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" here. The line that I am drawing is that Oldboy and Lady Vengeance both include intense horror themes that challenge the audience's perception. "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" is more of a pulp action drama.
They're not just action - There's more going on that follows classic horror themes.
I don't see the horror. Sorry.
ChronoGrl
02-23-2009, 07:59 AM
I like this discussion. Just started a thread here (http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50053) about it so as not to clog up this thread anymore.
Now back to the Top Asian Compilation!!
I'm with you on all but Eye and Tale. I have both Eye movies and find them very effective and as far as Tale of Two Sisters, I sat down and watched that flick followed by Audition with a buddy and both of us liked Tale better.
I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.
urgeok2
02-23-2009, 08:25 AM
I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.
same here exactly - the Eye is an excellent ghost story.
i know for a fact that i'm not going to be able to come up with a list with anything on it not already mentioned here (let alone Zwoti's list)
The Flayed One
02-23-2009, 09:08 AM
I sent my list. I didn't include anything that made the original two HDC 100s just to try to get variety in.
For those of you who haven't seen it, I suggested Kakurenbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPz50Kh7cI
_____V_____
02-23-2009, 09:14 AM
This might come as quite a shock for you V, but i say no to movies such as Oldboy.
If Oldboy and Co. gets accepted, I'd like to add Tony Jaa's "The Protector" as it shows the horrors of elephant killings in asia.. and it's damn good.
Its your turn to be shocked, Angra, but I completely agree with you.
Read the thread from the beginning. It was my "no" which started this debate.
zwoti
02-23-2009, 09:15 AM
i know for a fact that i'm not going to be able to come up with a list with anything on it not already mentioned here (let alone Zwoti's list)
not all of them are good, but virtually all of them haven't been mentioned by anyone else (i could have added a bunch of awful thai films. but i'm not that cruel),
but you are going to need over 100 films to do a top 100.
so initially it has to be quantity over quality, the judges can sort out the quality later.
Doc Faustus
02-23-2009, 09:44 AM
That's why I think we should keep the list broad. I don't mean counting Chungking Express or anything, but Horror/Exploitation/Camp is a good standard. They would still be things of interest to horror fans and this site is meant to enlighten horror fans and show them things they like.
The Flayed One
02-23-2009, 09:54 AM
With the Other HDC Top 100, I didn't make any stipulations as to what was sent in, other than it not be a part of the original Top 100. There were several movies there that were not even remotely close to being a horror movie, but I let the judges define what was and was not acceptable. I suggest we do the same here instead of debating it in the thread.
If we must, however, I propose a question in the Oldboy/Ichi debate. Do you consider Full Metal Yakuza viable for the list? I find it to be a middle ground between the two.
neverending
02-23-2009, 10:04 AM
I've seen no mention of Snake of June.
People hate it that much?
Papillon Noir
02-23-2009, 10:05 AM
Okay, here's my list (I tried to do them in order of preference as much as possible):
Perfect Blue
Ninja Scroll
Vampire Hunter D
L.I.L.Y. Cat
Audition
Battle Royale
Demon City Shinjuku
Wicked City
Oldboy (I'm with Chrono here!)
Paprika
Imprint
Legend of the Overfiend
Death Note
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Tetsuo: Iron Man
Death Note II: The Last Name
I think if you're looking to expand the list, I don't think you should try to include exploitation but to expand to horror series. Since anime series are such a staple in Japan, a lot of exceptional horror are in these series and I think they should definitely be considered.
My anime series list:
Gantz
When They Cry
Elfen Lied
Berserk
Death Note
Boogiepop Phantom
zwoti
02-23-2009, 10:27 AM
I've seen no mention of Snake of June.
People hate it that much?
no, it's just not on my list.
vital is though :D
ChronoGrl
02-23-2009, 11:49 AM
I've seen no mention of Snake of June.
People hate it that much?
I've never seen it...........
_____V_____
02-23-2009, 12:57 PM
Title of compilation is changed, as per debate and discussion in the thread. Have added Angra's, Doc's, Flayed's & Papillon's recs to the compilation, alongwith my own list.
Also, I have a small announcement to make. But that will be later, when I get in touch with someone.
Angra
02-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Maybe we should all just watch more asian horror movies and then get back to this thread in about 6 months..
scouse mac
02-23-2009, 02:53 PM
I agree re: The Eye. Its the only movie in the last 10 years to actually send a shiver down my spine. I know a lot has to do with the audio [ and I usually have surround sound crank up pretty good ] but that damn calligraphy scene gets me every time.
Its one of my favourite films.
That scene is one of the few which has ever made me jump and swear aloud!
:eek: :eek:
_____V_____
02-24-2009, 06:53 AM
Maybe we should all just watch more asian horror movies and then get back to this thread in about 6 months..
Thats certainly a pretty good option too.
Announcement stands postponed till further notice. Things didnt work out on that front.
EDIT - Nevermind.
Despare
02-24-2009, 08:47 AM
Before we rush to judgments on any movies, let's see what everybody has to say via their lists. :)
_____V_____
02-24-2009, 08:54 AM
Announcement
As of right now, Despare is host and in charge of compiling the Asian Horror/Exploitation Top 100.
I am stepping down, and handing over all the lists sent to me so far to him, and would like to request all members and (future) Judges to co-operate with him and support him fully in finalising a worthy 100 as a collective representation for fans of Asian horror both in HDC, and around the world.
All those who havent submitted their lists yet, please do so and PM them to Despare directly. He will take over from here onwards.
Thanks.
roshiq
02-25-2009, 12:13 AM
Will the deadline be remain same for submitting list or there may be any extension?
I tried to pm Des but I guess his pm box is overloaded to accept any new one.:)
roshiq
02-25-2009, 01:13 AM
I sent my list. I didn't include anything that made the original two HDC 100s just to try to get variety in.
For those of you who haven't seen it, I suggested Kakurenbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPz50Kh7cI
Saw it yesterday, excellent! Thanks for sharing here.:)
Despare
02-25-2009, 08:22 AM
Will the deadline be remain same for submitting list or there may be any extension?
I tried to pm Des but I guess his pm box is overloaded to accept any new one.:)
I like the deadline of March 1st but it's really up to you guys. Have a few Netflix on the way? Want to visit the local rental place and rent the few Asian horror flicks they have collecting dust in the back? Let me know.
My box has more room now.
Angra
02-25-2009, 10:10 PM
I have to get this out my system.
I think it's bullshit that we're adding exploitation movies to the horror list just because we haven't watched enough good asian horror movies to fill out a top 100.
Instead why not just settle with an asian horror top 50 compilation?
Or wait half a year with this list and let some of us asian horror nuts look for more good titles to add. I mean, what's the hurry?
We can always make a HDC Asian exploitation top 20/30/40whatever compilation.
ferretchucker
02-25-2009, 10:52 PM
Where's the love for the blaxploitation?
Angra
02-25-2009, 11:20 PM
Where's the love for the blaxploitation?
I don't know what blaxploitation is.
I've got nothing against explotation movies. I just don't see the genre go that well together with Horror movies on a top list. Of course, some horror movies ARE exploitation, but the ones that aren't will ruin this list for me.
Despare
02-26-2009, 03:30 AM
I don't know what blaxploitation is.
I've got nothing against explotation movies. I just don't see the genre go that well together with Horror movies on a top list. Of course, some horror movies ARE exploitation, but the ones that aren't will ruin this list for me.
You know what, if five people here think a certain exploitation movie is in the horror genre as well maybe it should be considered. I'm sorry it wouldn't mesh with your opinion but sometimes you just have to not be a pompous ass and open your mind a little bit. For fuck's sake man, it's a community project, it's not one lone voice being heard.
Angra
02-26-2009, 03:33 AM
You know what, if five people here think a certain exploitation movie is in the horror genre as well maybe it should be considered. I'm sorry it wouldn't mesh with your opinion but sometimes you just have to not be a pompous ass and open your mind a little bit. For fuck's sake man, it's a community project, it's not one lone voice being heard.
Whatever..
This list is not my child anymore.
Despare
02-26-2009, 03:47 AM
Whatever..
This list is not my child anymore.
Being disagreed with doesn't set well with you does it? Don't be a baby, your input would be so valuable on this list but instead of submitting, discussing, and voting you're presuming that a lot of non-horror flicks will be included with this list. Not all exploitation is horror but a lot of it is, and maybe youre definition of horror doesn't include alot of that but it should be up for discussion as to what exploitation films can fit into the horror genre. If you can't see that, then you're blind to open discussion anyway.
hmmm.....This is going well.
urgeok2
02-26-2009, 05:02 AM
i thought the name of this forum was Horror Dot Com
yet exploitation is discussed as much as horror if not more at times
violent action films
martial arts films
revenge films
i've been on at least 5 major 'Horror' forums and have found that exploitation flicks were very muched discussed on every single one of them because the overlap in theme, atmosphere, and interest. It is undeniably entwined with 'pure horror' around our film sensibilities.
and nothing reflects this more than the asian market.
realistically .... with 'pure horror' - pure asian horror - even a top 50 would be pushing it ... the last 25 would be mediochre at best.
this is to be a list of films we use to recommend to each other - it might as well include all the films that horror fans would appreciate.
Despare
02-26-2009, 05:05 AM
hmmm.....This is going well.
If somebody doesn't want to take part because they can't be open to the ideas of the forum then it's unfortunate but won't kill the project.
Kakurenbo looks great Flayed, can't wait to check it out.
I hope Smackytherabbit sends some recs...
Papillon Noir
02-26-2009, 05:06 AM
I have to get this out my system.
I think it's bullshit that we're adding exploitation movies to the horror list just because we haven't watched enough good asian horror movies to fill out a top 100.
Instead why not just settle with an asian horror top 50 compilation?
Or wait half a year with this list and let some of us asian horror nuts look for more good titles to add. I mean, what's the hurry?
We can always make a HDC Asian exploitation top 20/30/40whatever compilation.
Actually, I think Angra brings up a really good point. Obviously most people here don't watch as much Asian horror to come up with 100 movies, so I think narrowing it down to only 50 is a good idea instead of trying to include it with exploitation.
I also think maybe doing a separate exploitation would be a good idea, I could probably come up with more exploitation than horror for asia. Plus this would be better than trying to force them together. Not everyone who is looking at a horror list may want to see a bunch of exploitation there and vice versa.
Despare
02-26-2009, 05:32 AM
Nobody even knows the suggestions yet! We're jumping to conclusions...
Why don't we see which films are suggested and go from there, if we object then we object, but CHILL OUT.
Papillon Noir
02-26-2009, 05:58 AM
i thought the name of this forum was Horror Dot Com
yet exploitation is discussed as much as horror if not more at times
violent action films
martial arts films
revenge films
i've been on at least 5 major 'Horror' forums and have found that exploitation flicks were very muched discussed on every single one of them because the overlap in theme, atmosphere, and interest. It is undeniably entwined with 'pure horror' around our film sensibilities.
and nothing reflects this more than the asian market.
realistically .... with 'pure horror' - pure asian horror - even a top 50 would be pushing it ... the last 25 would be mediochre at best.
this is to be a list of films we use to recommend to each other - it might as well include all the films that horror fans would appreciate.
Maybe we should skip asian horror then and just do an exploitation only or perhaps expansion asian horror to foreign horror (which you could break out by region if you wanted to) or something? I still think that trying to smoosh horror and exploitation together is just going to taint the list though. :cool:
Despare
02-26-2009, 06:08 AM
Maybe we should skip asian horror then and just do an exploitation only or perhaps expansion asian horror to foreign horror (which you could break out by region if you wanted to) or something? I still think that trying to smoosh horror and exploitation together is just going to taint the list though. :cool:
You do understand that there is plenty of exploitation that is horror as well right? Would we have the same movies on both lists? How do you take an exploitation film and decide it doesn't belong on a horror list? The line becomes blurred, ESPECIALLY when you look at the definition of horror.
i thought the name of this forum was Horror Dot Com
yet exploitation is discussed as much as horror if not more at times
violent action films
martial arts films
revenge films
i've been on at least 5 major 'Horror' forums and have found that exploitation flicks were very muched discussed on every single one of them because the overlap in theme, atmosphere, and interest. It is undeniably entwined with 'pure horror' around our film sensibilities.
and nothing reflects this more than the asian market.
realistically .... with 'pure horror' - pure asian horror - even a top 50 would be pushing it ... the last 25 would be mediochre at best.
this is to be a list of films we use to recommend to each other - it might as well include all the films that horror fans would appreciate.
best suggestion yet
Despare
02-26-2009, 08:35 AM
best suggestion yet
*sigh*
Yes... it's a fine suggestion... but can we please wait until we have all the lists in and see which movies are questionable based on genre before jumping to any conclusion? Is that possible? Everybody is so worked up over nothing, especially when you've seen the great recommendation lists that I've seen...
urgeok2
02-26-2009, 08:47 AM
i'm not worked up.
YOU BUNCH OF FUCKERS !!!
i'm not worked up.
YOU BUNCH OF FUCKERS !!!
In Chinese
束笨蛋
ferretchucker
02-26-2009, 08:57 AM
Has V decided to pass this over to Neverending then?
Despare
02-26-2009, 09:01 AM
Has V decided to pass this over to Neverending then?
No
Deadline for lists is March 1st and same for judge nominations. PM both to me before the 1st so we can get this up and running ASAP.
Once again, all nominations for judges AND movies MUST BE IN BY THE FIRST.
Papillon Noir
02-26-2009, 10:18 AM
You do understand that there is plenty of exploitation that is horror as well right? Would we have the same movies on both lists? How do you take an exploitation film and decide it doesn't belong on a horror list? The line becomes blurred, ESPECIALLY when you look at the definition of horror.
Of course. There would obviously be some overlap, but I think the majority could really be broken out. Not all exploitation is horror and vice versa. I know what the definition of horror is, but what is considered horror film is rather different as it's less subjective.
@Ferret
V gave it to Despare
urgeok2
02-26-2009, 10:31 AM
. Not all exploitation is horror and vice versa. I know what the definition of horror is, but what is considered horror film is rather different as it's less subjective.
i would say that horror is a subset of exploitation myself
Elvis_Christ
02-26-2009, 02:57 PM
i would say that horror is a subset of exploitation myself
Some of the films at least especially the trashier titles. I wouldn't consider the slick big studio titles like The Exorcist and The Omen exploitation.
ChronoGrl
02-26-2009, 06:19 PM
i would say that horror is a subset of exploitation myself
I'm not sure if I necessarily agree that horror is a subset of exploitation per se, but I think that, at times, the two are inextricably bound (pun intended).
If we take a look at iconic horror movies like I Spit On Your Grave and Last House on the Left, for example, they are absolute exploitation flicks; which is exactly what makes them horror.
Miike himself, one of the more well-know Japanese directors within the (horror) genre excels at exploitation: Audition, Visitor Q, Ichi the Killer, Imprint; he uses exploitation and discomfort to create genuinely horrifying films.
urgeok2
02-27-2009, 05:46 AM
Some of the films at least especially the trashier titles. I wouldn't consider the slick big studio titles like The Exorcist and The Omen exploitation.
i would think those are two of the best possible examples of exploitation
(depending on your definition of exploitation i guess)
i'm thinking along the lines as exploiting our baser emotions ...with over the top graphic violence.
in both these particular cases - religion is exploited for our enjoyment.
i suppose the real definition of exploitation suggests grittier more cheaply made quickie flicks - i guess i have a broader definition for myself.
_____V_____
02-27-2009, 05:49 AM
One example which will end this entire horror-exploitation debate...
Night of the Living Dead.
Despare
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Just make sure you send me nominations of judges you think will be great for this project. I still hope Angra will accept to being a judge as I think he has a ton of knowledge in the genre and who knows, maybe he'll be able to convince the other judges about certain flicks...
I have 15 lists so far, keep em' coming.
Elvis_Christ
02-27-2009, 03:41 PM
i suppose the real definition of exploitation suggests grittier more cheaply made quickie flicks
Thats pretty much how I'd class an exploitation film. But I do see where your coming from in regards to The Exorcist and The Omen.
roshiq
02-28-2009, 01:24 AM
Maybe we should all just watch more asian horror movies and then get back to this thread in about 6 months..
Ditto!:D ;)
I have to get this out my system.
I think it's bullshit that we're adding exploitation movies to the horror list just because we haven't watched enough good asian horror movies to fill out a top 100.
Instead why not just settle with an asian horror top 50 compilation?
Or wait half a year with this list and let some of us asian horror nuts look for more good titles to add. I mean, what's the hurry?
We can always make a HDC Asian exploitation top 20/30/40whatever compilation.
Actually, I think Angra brings up a really good point. Obviously most people here don't watch as much Asian horror to come up with 100 movies, so I think narrowing it down to only 50 is a good idea instead of trying to include it with exploitation.
I also think maybe doing a separate exploitation would be a good idea, I could probably come up with more exploitation than horror for asia. Plus this would be better than trying to force them together. Not everyone who is looking at a horror list may want to see a bunch of exploitation there and vice versa.
Good idea indeed. :)
Personally I have no objection to consider exploitation/drama/thriller/revenge films as a Horror as long they have at least some kinda appeal to be a Horror film or have enough potentiality to be a part of the international horror premises; though I'm not recommending any exploitation movies.
BUT, I here eagerly requesting to name the title of this list as only "Horror" like it was before...The HDC Top 100 Asian Horror.
My list is almost complete, I'll send it within few hours to Des.
roshiq
03-01-2009, 09:35 AM
I have already sent my list to Des.
But I like to recommend some other movies that I haven't seen yet but read some pretty good reviews and ratings on different movie sites that I think may have the quality & potentiality to be enlisted in this Top 100 somewhere:
A page of madness (1926)
Ugestu Mongatari (1953)
Jigoku (1960)
Matango (1963)
Woman in the Dunes (1964)
A Chinese ghost story (1987)
Evil Dead Trap (1988)
Men behind the sun (1988)
Tetsuo, the Iron Man (1989)
The Untold Story (1993)
Nang Nak (1995)
Cure (1997)
Tell me something (1999)
Séance (2000)
Uzumaki (2000)
Ichi the killer (2001)
Sorum (2001)
Visitor Q (2001)
H (2002)
Phone (2002)
Acacia (2003)
The Echo (2004)
The Eye 2 (2004)
R-Point (2004)
Neighbor No. 13 (2005)
Noriko's Dinner Table (2005)
Rampo Noir
Voice (2005)
The Wig (2005)
Re Cycle (2006)
Imprint (2006)
Silk (2006)
Black House (2007)
Carved (2007)
The Cut (2007)
Muoi (2007)
Despare
03-02-2009, 08:33 AM
Just an update, I'll have a compiled list up in a few days, and we'll talk about judges then as well. :)
Despare
03-05-2009, 04:30 AM
Alright, quick update, I'll have a list of (possible) judges up on Sunday along with a list to PM them if they accept. I've gone through all the lists and counted the number of votes for movies nominated multiple times. I do need anybody who suggested Wicked City to PM me (except Zwoti who was clear) and tell me if they meant live action or anime. Thanks!
EDIT: Little Otik is Czech and not Asian. :)
Another EDIT: 232 movie nominations.:eek:
Despare
03-07-2009, 09:50 AM
Let's face it, nobody has seen all of the nominated flicks, that's why we need a good group of judges with varied knowledge. I think you guys nominated the perfect crew. Provided they accept, here are your judges.
Angra
Chronogirl
Roshiq (accepted)
Papillon Noir (accepted)
Zwoti
The Flayed One (accepted)
Despare (accepted)
ChronoGrl
03-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Granted nobody has seen them all, but I really think that I'm honestly lacking. :( I don't think that I have enough of a frame of knowledge in Asian Horror for judgeship.
Despare
03-08-2009, 02:27 PM
Granted nobody has seen them all, but I really think that I'm honestly lacking. :( I don't think that I have enough of a frame of knowledge in Asian Horror for judgeship.
I think you do, and so do the folks who voted for you. We need a Miike guide after all.
roshiq
03-09-2009, 06:56 AM
I'll be happy to be a part of this selection process at any level. As a good fan of Asian Horror films it's a great honor for me to get nominated as a 'judge' in this awesome HDC project.:)
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03-19-2009, 05:06 AM
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05-06-2009, 06:03 AM
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Whats the latest position on this project, Des?
roshiq
05-06-2009, 10:54 PM
Whats the latest position on this project, Des?
yeah...what's the update, Des?
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06-09-2009, 12:56 AM
Seems like our host has become more busy with stuff to follow this project up, so if Despare has no objection, I would like to take over the reins again.
And a request to all judges - Despare, Flayed, Noir & Roshiq - to pop up in our "discussion forum" at the Bomb Shelter and put in your latest inputs.
We need to finalise things asap, and get the 100 released.
Papillon Noir
06-09-2009, 06:00 AM
Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about this. It's really been awhile.
Despare
06-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Seems like our host has become more busy with stuff to follow this project up, so if Despare has no objection, I would like to take over the reins again.
And a request to all judges - Despare, Flayed, Noir & Roshiq - to pop up in our "discussion forum" at the Bomb Shelter and put in your latest inputs.
We need to finalise things asap, and get the 100 released.
I was actually waiting until the BR2 was over to see... what happened. I'll be on a little more and tomorrow I will get in touch with everybody.
scouse mac
06-10-2009, 08:37 AM
After reading many, many reviews in the Asian horror section, I think psycho d should be in on the judging.
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09-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Now that the sticky is up, you folks know what I want.
Yep, correct...
BLURB WRITERS!!
I am looking at - Despare, Chronogrl, Psycho d, Angra, Papillon Noir, Roshiq, Neverending and The Flayed One. Even Zwoti, if he can spare some time.
And anybody else who is interested...check out the list and pick your favorites to write a short blurb on it. PM me your blurbs asap.
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10-02-2009, 11:08 AM
Thanks for the wonderful blurbs on Alone and Ju-On, Roshiq.
Come on people, let's see those blurbs for your favorite Asian flicks!
roshiq
10-02-2009, 10:58 PM
I'll send some more later. :)
neverending
10-02-2009, 11:43 PM
Bad timing for me. Pretty busy this month.
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10-03-2009, 09:32 AM
No worries. You might chip in with some blurbs when you are more free after the end of this month, NE.
And thanks for the wonderfully written blurbs on Cure and Noriko's Dinner Table, Psycho d. I urge you to write some more. You have a talent of writing a pretty effective blurb. :)
psycho d
10-03-2009, 10:37 AM
No worries. You might chip in with some blurbs when you are more free after the end of this month, NE.
And thanks for the wonderfully written blurbs on Cure and Noriko's Dinner Table, Psycho d. I urge you to write some more. You have a talent of writing a pretty effective blurb. :)
Thanks for the kind words. i am actually looking forward to reading the blurbs of others, but i'll kick down a few more here soon. i selfishly hope that Angra jumps in soon as i'd love to here his take on Kairo. Ashe.
d
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10-03-2009, 06:53 PM
I hope he comes in and does some blurbs too.
Posted your Izo and Buppah Rahtree blurbs. Keep going, bud!
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10-05-2009, 08:53 AM
Posted yet another couple blurbs from Psycho d. Thanks again and keep going, bud!
Come on, folks! Stop slacking and get around to writing some blurbs! Do you want Psycho d and Roshiq to write all 100 of em, including the ones for YOUR favorite movies? :p
Give yourselves a nice kick in the ass and stop slacking! Send me your blurbs asap!!
_____V_____
10-06-2009, 07:49 PM
Received two wonderful blurbs on Spooky Encounters and Mr Vampire from Straker. Both have been posted.
_____V_____
10-14-2009, 03:39 AM
Been receiving plenty of blurbs from Psycho_d, and posting them duly.
But both me and Psycho_d agree that if the whole list is dotted with his blurbs ONLY, it would look monotonous and lop-sided like a half-cooked pie.
Dont you agree, you slacking bastards? :p
Come on, REQUEST A BLURB ASAP! :mad: :D
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10-14-2009, 03:42 AM
Here's the complete list...the ones with blurbs are highlighted in BOLD :-
2LDK - Psycho d
13 Game of Death
A Chinese Ghost Story
A Page of Madness - Roshiq
A Tale of Two Sisters
Alone - Roshiq
Aragami
Arang
Art of the Devil II
Audition
Battle Royale
Battlefield Baseball
Bio Zombie
Blind Beast
Blood: The Last Vampire
Calamity of Snakes
Cello - Psycho d
Cure - Psycho d
Dark Water
Death Note
Death Note II: The Last Name
Demon City Shinjuku
Ebola Syndrome
Eko Eko Azarak: Wizard of Darkness
Entrails of a Virgin
Evil Dead Trap
Frankenstein Conquers the World
Gantz
Ghost Actress
Gojira
Goke: Bodysnatcher From Hell
Gozu
Guinea Pig: Flowers of Flesh and Blood
Ichi The Killer
Imprint
Infection - Psycho d
Into the Mirror
Izo - Psycho d
Jigoku
Junk
Ju-on: The Curse - Roshiq
Ju-on: The Grudge
Kakurenbo: Hide and Seek
Kibakichi
Koma
Kuroneko
Kwaidan
Lady Snowblood - Psycho d
Mad Doctor of Blood Island
Marebito - Psycho d
Master of The Flying Guillotine
Matango: Attack of the Mushroom People
Meatball Machine
Men Behind the Sun
Mr. Vampire - Straker
Nang Nak
Ninja Scroll
Noriko’s Dinner Table - Psycho d
Noroi The Curse - Psycho d
Oldboy
One Missed Call
Onibaba
Paprika
Perfect Blue
Phone
Premonition
Pulse
Rampo Noir
Re-cycle - Psycho d
Reincarnation
Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky
Ringu
R-Point
SARS Wars: Bangkok Zombie Crisis
Save the Green Planet
Shutter
Silk
Spirited Away
Spooky Encounters - Straker
Suicide Club
Tetsuo: The Iron Man
The Echo
The Eye
The Green Slime
The Happiness of the Katukuris
The Host
The Quiet Family
The Red Shoes
The Twins Effect (aka) Vampire Effect
Tokyo Gore Police
Ugestu - Psycho d
Urotsukidoji I: Legend of the Overfiend
Uzumaki - Roshiq
Vampire Hunter D
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Versus
Visitor Q
Voice
Wild Zero
Wishing Stairs
I ll update this list regularly as I keep getting the blurbs.