interesting moral question

[Sam The Egg]

.....Your highest Spiritual Being came to you, and offered you these three things:
Immortality
Peace around the world
To become God himself
However he/she would only give you these if you'd brutally murder your loved one. And wehn I mean brutally murder, I mean like burning, rape, slashing, etc.. So what would you do?

[Rotting Eye]

Sorry lover, you're toast.

Anyway, if I was God afterwards, I could just forgive myself for my sins, and resurrect my loved one.

I BEAT THE SYSTEM.

[Sam The Egg]

I'd do it easily. I'd be fucking GOD! I could easily bring the friend back to life

[Rotting Eye]

So where's this Supreme Being? I wan an offer like that :(

[Sam The Egg]

it's hypothetical

[Rotting Eye]

Smash my hopes and dreams why don't you.

[Sam The Egg]

I'll do more than that! I'll give you what's for!

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I'll do more than that! I'll give you what's for!

LIEK NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dat hurted :(

[Sam The Egg]

Smashing! No, start smashing things! *smash!* Perfect! It's curtains for you, Ming vase!

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
Ming vase!

BANANA BOMB!

[bloodrayne]

I would never even contemplate such a thing...Ressurection or not, I would never hurt anyone that I love...Even for a minute...NOTHING would be worth it

[Rotting Eye]

Not even if the one you loved was planning on hurting you?

[Sam The Egg]

They'd be better off afterwards. I mean, I would want proof, and a 30 day trial first, cause I'm no idiot. But if it was completely on the up-and-up, logistically it'd be dumb NOT to.

[DarkwingMantis]

Well. Ive had this convo with my ex... if they kept comming back.... to hell with it. Yeah I brutally murder them for a lark!!!

[Rotting Eye]

Why would you even need the other two options? If you were God, you could make them happen anyway.

Where'd you find this faulty question? :p

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
Not even if the one you loved was planning on hurting you?
Actually, I don't believe that was part of the original premise...However, if you are just asking personally...NO, I would not...No matter what

[Sam The Egg]

I got it off an anime board.

Once again, the person would be better off afterwards if you did it

[Rotting Eye]

Well, it wasn't part of the original question.

Although, you said you'd never hurt the one you loved, so I posed a question to see if I could find out if it were true.

But then again, I don't believe that anyone truly knows what they'd do in any high stress situation.

For example, if a killer came into your house, you can say you'd protect your children first over your own life, and your wives, but you don't know. You can't make a judgement like that until it really happens. The combination of stress, adrenaline, etc... You just don't know what you'd do until it actually happened.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
if a killer came into your house, you can say you'd protect your children first over your own life, and your wives, but you don't know. You can't make a judgement like that until it really happens. The combination of stress, adrenaline, etc... You just don't know what you'd do until it actually happened.
In a situation such as you have described, it may be difficult to think clearly...In such situations instinct usually prevails...It is a mother's natural instinct to protect her children first, even over her own life

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
In a situation such as you have described, it may be difficult to think clearly...In such situations instinct usually prevails...It is a mother's natural instinct to protect her children first, even over her own life

That was only one example. Pick any example from an unlimited array where you're probably not thinking clearly.

Which is my point... Until you're in a limited, high stress environment like that, you don't know what you'd do.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
That was only one example. Pick any example from an unlimited array where you're probably not thinking clearly.

Which is my point... Until you're in a limited, high stress environment like that, you don't know what you'd do.
I still believe that, no matter what the situation...
Instinct=Protect your children

[predfan]

in answer to the original question i would kill my loved one in order to get the powers. then i would ressurect them, and use my power to do things for myself and my loved ones. then help the world if i have time :) :)

[Unit 03]

Heres a mind tickler from Descartes

Everything you know, is gained from knowing that it (whatever you know) is clear and distinct, but what if your mind is decieving you into believing that knowledge is clear and distinct, when in actuality it isn't.

Descartes-" that can't happen because god would not allow me to be cevieved when I am using my mental faculties properly, since god gave them to me to use for aquiring knowledge (clear and distinct ideas)

How then can you be sure that god exists, what are your clear and distinct ideas.


His answere was "because I have a clear and distint reason that god exists."

Highlight for his answere, but be aware its a Cartesian Circle.

[Rotting Eye]

.... I think, therefore I pwn you.

[Unit 03]

Actually, that is a famous Descartes quote, but most people don't know who said it.

RE I think we all know that when it comes to me, you get
http://www.texasmartialarts.net/bruticus2.jpg

[Haunted]

Unit 03, I had to study Des Cartes in my Religious Studies classes. I hate his logical notions, because they're boring and stupid. I mean, hell, the man thought the soul resided in the petuitary gland. That question only works if you're JudeoChristian, anyway. In my world, nothing's promised, nothing is totally secure. Besides besides BESIDES, as someone who is mentally ill, fuck it. I don't really have "clear" and "distinct" ideas.

However Des Cartes would say that my illness, especially mental, stems from my disconection with "God."

Rayne, I agree with you totally. I could not, under any circumstances kill my loved one, even to become a Goddess. The Morrigan is doing an excellent job, Herself, anyway.

[Vodstok]

Descartes was a schmuck. But then, so are most philosophers anyway. They tend to leave out the "I think..." before telling you how the world works.

[ChaoticMinister]

"Cogito Ergo Sum" - I think, therefore, I am.

The original quote from Reneé Descartes.

I have heard of two variations:

"Cogito Ergo Sum Atheos" - I think, therefore, I am without God (or "an Atheist")

And I created my own:

"Cogito Ergo Sum Doleo" - I think, therefore, I am in pain.

*FADE OUT*

[Darth Bane]

I would do it for free.

[cheebacheeba]

Immortality would probably suit me, but, since its "the loved one" case, it's gonna have to be the CheebaGod thing.
Unless I read the small print,
and the "resurrection of brutally murdered loved one" was something that I, being a "Murderous god" wasn't "entitled" to.]
ps - Pwned?

[cheebacheeba]

Bloodrayne....you probably saw this comin' from me...
EVEN if they wanted to shove rusted-up nails in yer eyeballz?

[Haunted]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Bloodrayne....you probably saw this comin' from me...
EVEN if they wanted to shove rusted-up nails in yer eyeballz?

Dude,....OW!! That is a mental image that I would prefer to do without. Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick!

[cheebacheeba]

I may as go all the way and say " after having your eyelids sliced off with a scalpel ,splashed with a solution of methylated spirits /caustic soda, being tied to a deckchair, facing up towards the sun for a day, and just as night falls, having your eyeballs scoured with a cheese grater"

[Haunted]

The eyelids slashed off with the scalpel did me in.


You suck. :D

[cheebacheeba]

Hey, It would be pretty fucked up, dontcha think.....just imagine now how the eyeball being "grated" from a first person view would look, do ya think the shit'd like, rip chunks outta your vision @ first? I think Id't have to look kinda funky if I gotta admit it...painful funky....shit - the painfunk experience!

[Haunted]

I don't think you'd be able to see a whole lot after that initial grate tears off your visual tools. You're right, though, to see it coming towards your eye, knowing that it's going to hurt you...a lot.

Also, after the painful experience of having your eyelids removed, blood would be running in your eyes, and also, you wouldn't be able to blink out anything. So before the person started grating away your eyes, they would already be really really sore.

[cheebacheeba]

Do you think some rising voltage applied to the eyeballs surface could eventually make the eyeball explode?
if you can avoid it at this point, try not to imagine the fp "visuals" on that...probably can't, huh? yep...that's probably why I said it...heh-heh-heh....

[Haunted]

Exploding eyeballs!!! Yuck! Can you imagine the sensation of voltage to your eyeballs?? That would feel so weird, especially sense your eyeballs are like jelly. They'd wiggle...until they exploded...and they'd probably get really hot too...and then pop....imagine the sound. Stop it Cheeba!

[cheebacheeba]

something like a raw egg being thrown at a wall maybe?
hey the wigglevission would just be, and look fucked up, while it lasted...kinda like wearing prescription glasses (or wrong prescription glasses) and resting your chin on a jackhammer, that is, before the eyes hard boiled or again, the explosion theory.
Dunno if I'm done quiet yet....

[Haunted]

I wonder if you'd see the first bit of your eyes exploding or would they be to burnt. Hey, I wonder what cooked eyes smell like. Actually they'd just start to run. I wonder if you'd you'd see the first bit of that or if the optic nerve would just be totally fucked. Imagine feeling the hot liquid of your eye juice running down your face.

I like wigglevision...but it be more like hot smokey waves?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Bloodrayne....you probably saw this comin' from me...
EVEN if they wanted to shove rusted-up nails in yer eyeballz?
Not even if...ANYTHING......and Cheeba, you are twisted in a wicked bad way:)...You appear to be infecting Haunted as well

[cheebacheeba]

Im thinking very fuzzy, and would gradually take on a white and whiter hue, until there was nothing...I'd try not to get any in my mouth if it were running down my face - it'd be like warm, soggy human eyeball flavoured cocoa puffs...

[Haunted]

It'd probably burn your lips too. Do you really think it would be sorta chunky? Well, there would be parts that aren't completely melted running down your face. I imagine it would be sort of oily too. I still say the smell would make you gag.

[cheebacheeba]

rayne - Yeah....like carrion thru a carcass...

haunted - it'd be quiet a sight huh? burning eyeball running down yer face into the mouth, while you gaged and puked while screaming....hooboy....good fun.

[Haunted]

Maybe you could smell your brain too or at least the gunk inside of your skull.

Of course this would all be the case if you weren't screaming because hot eyeball goop wasn't dripping down your head.

[cheebacheeba]

Yeah, it'd probably be more of a sensory overload kinda thing huh? it wouldn't be like youd be saying to yourself, "ok now, scream, stop now, inhale, hurl, and, scream again'...

[Haunted]

I forgot that the eyebally goop could run into your nose, especially if you were breathing really hard. I don't think there's any way to keep eyeball juice from running into your mouth.

I also just realized something. Your whole head would be cooking as well. So, you'd probably be smelling your head cooking..brain...and that membrane around around it. Wonder if your eyebrows would flame up?

[DarkwingMantis]

"Rene Descartes was a drunken Fart, I Drink Therefore I am"

[Sam The Egg]

"Talent borrows, genius steals" - Sam The Egg

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Unit 03
Actually, that is a famous Descartes quote, but most people don't know who said it.[/IMG]

I'm surprised you knew that.

And I did know he said that, which is why I used it.
Or do you not understand that particular part?

:confused:

U r teh dummi.

[Unit 03]

I was talking to those who didn't know.

[Evisceration]

I'd tell my spiritual being to fuck itself because I couldn't give two shits about neither options.

Besides, I already have a god like stature.

And war is the answer to everything.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Evisceration
Besides, I already have a god like stature.

I still pwn j00.

[Unit 03]

lol, where are your facts?
I suggest you stop this before you get
http://www.texasmartialarts.net/skywarp12.jpg

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Unit 03
lol, where are your facts?
I suggest you stop this before you get
http://www.texasmartialarts.net/skywarp12.jpg

:confused: Why do you even bother posting your garbage? :confused:

If you go back and re-read all the conversations I've had with you, you'll find that when I make a comment, you throw it completely off-topic and act like you don't know what I'm talking about. Sheesh you're an idiot.

I own you in every possible way.

[Unit 03]

LOL, like the near death experiance thread? I must admit RE you are good for a laugh.

[Evisceration]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
I still pwn j00.

Yeah, well atleast when we fuck I don't cry.

You little bitch.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Evisceration
Yeah, well atleast when we fuck I don't cry.

You little bitch.

They're only tears of joy. Joy that my life partner likes my bum.

[cheebacheeba]

Sam, evisceration, rotting eye, unit 03...why do I have the dejavu thang going on just now...?
haunted - you wouldn't want the brain to melt right away, so maybe like, a souldering iron jammed in and stirred until the eye "scrambles"...SOMEHOW, that shit just doesn't seem as raw as the grater...well, at least in terms of what it'd look like to the victim.
applying wasp venom into the gums'd be another fucked up one...or the removal of ones bottom jaw with a small hand-saw...
got just one more for now. staple-gun ones eyebrows to their forehead, and their eyelids to their cheeks, then pour a pile of laundry powder onto each open eye....?

[Haunted]

What about an ATTEMP (because I don't think it would work) to weld someone's eyes closed? I don't know if it's hot enough to melt the skin closed, but it just might cook the skin closed...while melting the eye. Ewww....if it worked, the eyelid would be close but the person would still feel all that melted eye goop until in some how drain either down the cheeks or into the skull cavity.

I have to ask...what does wasp venom do?

What about the souldering iron up the nose, only put it there unheated and let it heat up... The anticipation, and the feeling of the instrument heating up....torturous.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Haunted
What about an ATTEMP (because I don't think it would work) to weld someone's eyes closed? I don't know if it's hot enough to melt the skin closed, but it just might cook the skin closed...while melting the eye. Ewww....if it worked, the eyelid would be close but the person would still feel all that melted eye goop until in some how drain either down the cheeks or into the skull cavity.
Okay...Wait a minute...If you were to weld the eyelids shut, wouldn't the hot eye goop run into the skull cavity, and then run out through the nostrils?...Just a thought...Thanks guys, for giving me that thought:rolleyes: :)

[Haunted]

You're right! Or!!! It might run into the mouth and also down the throat, because of the sinus shoot.

I'm sorry Rayne. We're being disgusting. I think he's trying to gross me out, and it's not going to happen. :D

[X_stfu_X]

I wouldn't do it for the following reasons:

1. I don't really want to be immortal.
2. I don' think I'd make a very good God; too much responsibility.
3. There is no such thing as absolute peace.
4. My loved one would be dead, at my hands, and in the most brutal way possible.

So, yes, I'd have power, but I also would have to live out eternity knowing what I did and what I did it for.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd do it to anyone else. I'm all for that. Just not someone I love.

P.S.~World peace is wishful thinking. Too many different kinds of people for everyone to cooperate.

[Sam The Egg]

Think of it this way. If you don't kill them, then everything goes on as normal. If you DO kill them, you bring them back and everything is better. But for everything to be better, they have to be temporarily (at least) dead. If I had a friend who was presented with this question, I'd gladly be the one who gets killed, provided they were smart enough to think to bring me back and all.

[Haunted]

Wouldn't they be angry at you for killing them, or should you just make them forget?

[Sam The Egg]

I'm not saying I'd go "HEY DAVE!" *Stab in the face*. I'd explain the situation, that I got my trial run so I know it's legit, and to be God, which would clearly benefit us both, I'd have to stab him in the face until he dies, or however they said to do it. If they wanna forget it afterwards, I could do that, but it'd be their choice.

[Haunted]

That makes sense. Being the world's biggest puss, I would probably not be able to do it, but I see what you mean now.

[Unit 03]

There is no way you can weld someones eyes shut, skin would simply burn/melt at temperatures like that. You might be able to carterize them shut with some sort of burning device, but theres no way you could weld them.

[Sam The Egg]

use an oxy-aceteline torch at a low temp for 10 seconds. The skin wouldn't melt away. It would partially melt, but then when the heat is gone it would start to cool and solidify more. If 10 isn't enough then do it again.

[Unit 03]

It would burn before it melted, I think using any welding device, even at its low temps. wouldn't accomplish the goal of keeping someones eyes intact, but making there eyelids closed permanently.

[Sam The Egg]

Their. And the oxy-acetelyn torch would work, you'd just have to get the temp. and the timing down.

[crazy clown]

i'd probably say yes but right when it came time to do it i would really puss out. i couldn't do it probably. i'd try to get someone else to kill their loved one. i can talk people in to doing stuff for some reason.

[cheebacheeba]

Sam, is that how you'd do it, the face stabbing thing?
If it was a friend, I'd probably explain too - I mean, u wouldn't necessarily want 'em waking up angry, immortal (which I assume they'd have to be in order to have been ressurected, unless you like did the "I'm god, I can make 'em' thing. But then they'd most likely not be the same at all) and angry...they COULD have the chance to do the same thing to you over and over again....u think an immortal could eventually get off on that kinda shit?
And when it came down to the murder itself, I'd think about the times throughout their life they'd pissed me off, and attempt to kick them repeatedly in the face, head and throat just because I think murder should be a more "personal" affair. A baseball bat would be about as "foriegn object" as I'd wanna get. That's a FRIEND.
A loved one however. Hard to say, It's diffucult to really "respectfully" brutally murder someone. Maybe I'd like cut their head in half with something reeeal sharp, at least that would be quick, as for brutality, I could like, go "REEEAAARGH!" while I was doing it or something...
(In saying that, I am in no way attemting to indicate that I am going on a kicking OR slashing spree)

Haunted & Rayne- melting eyelids? I think it'd work, I mean it happens when you cook a chicken right? yep, eyelids, just like chicken....
cut the head off, melt the eyelids shut, pressurecook the head, place it upright and pierce each of the "eyes" with a needle - like running milk - oh yeah....

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Unit 03
It would burn before it melted, I think using any welding device, even at its low temps. wouldn't accomplish the goal of keeping someones eyes intact, but making there eyelids closed permanently.

Naysayer!!! How do you know? Are you claiming that you've done this? That would mean that you were sicker than our Cheeba. The only kind of sick that sicker than 'im is a kid-fucker. That's not cool around here.;)

Cheeba:
Are we up to boiling noggins along with melting eyelids and eyeballs? How about deep fryers? I'm serious...while they're alive, dip their head in egg wash, then flour it (a shaved head would make this easier) and then crispy fry it! Serve it to your friends or lover(s). :D

Okay, in order to do this, the working table should be lower to the ground, and it might help to sedate your victim. Oh, and only a whiney nonprofessional torturer would say that this is too much trouble. :p

[cheebacheeba]

Sick?
You mean I'm not normal? All these years and no one told me somethin' was up?!?
Man, it's a regular "Oh the FUCKIN humanity" moment...
How about feeding them one of their own eyeballs deep-fried? You don't need a custom work-base that way. And making them eat it...imagine that, theyd be all crying n gagging n shit, "For the love of god, not my own eye"style shit...HA....HAaHAHAhaHAhaAhaHAAAAGh...
Man, try to just think that not smiling....well, fuck it, I can't anyways.
Of course I'd go easier on a friend or loved one, but again I wonder how I'd do it all that nicely. I can imagine bringing the person back, and having them say " I know it had to be brutal, but admit it, you were angry at me, huh?"

[Sam The Egg]

how I'd do it depends on the specifications given. If I was simply told to kill them then I'd do it in the most painless manner possible. If I was told to drag it out, I'd give them tons of painkillers and novacane so they wouldn't feel it. If I had to drag it out in a very painful manner then I'd do whatever I did with the drugs, but without them.

[cheebacheeba]

or YOU could take the drugs....might at least make it easier (or more fun) for you...
"These drugs will make the operation seem like a beautiful dream"