the beyond

[damien]

i looked all over for a thread on this movie and couldn't find one. my first fulci film was zombie, while i did enjoy it i didn't think it was that great. so i decided to give fulci another chance with what many say is his best film (the beyond) i loved it!!!!!!!!!!! good movie everyone should check this out. i got it for 10 bucks at suncoast.

[Gore fest gerb]

If you liked the beyound get city of the living dead:)

[Ritualistic]

U might not of found specific thread on this movie but we have talked about this movie a fucking lot...... badass movie BTW

[zwoti]

maybe even watch house by the cemetery

[damien]

yeah this movie really changed my mind on how i felt about fulci's movie's. i did end up getting city of the living dead. i did enjoy it but not as much as the beyond. im going to pick up zombie 3 and house by the cemetary this weekend.

[mictlan]

Skip Zombie 3 and get Zombie 1 instead... I think they call it Zombie 3 because that's how many minutes of it Fulci directed. It's a terrible film.

[hollywoodgothiq]

THE BEYOND is one of my favorites, just so whacked out you have to love it.

[mark4520]

i just watched the beyond tonight.. its a classic zombie film..

[The Mothman]

i actually havnt seen it yet. ive also been meaning to get the New York Ripper.

[doctor satan]

The Beyonds a classic, can't say the same about New York Ripper though.....

[NECRO666]

Originally posted by doctor satan
The Beyonds a classic, can't say the same about New York Ripper though..... NY Ripper I thought was better in one part how that hooker gotten her eyeball slice in half and her nipple. The Beyond wasn't that great only when that dog ripped that bitchs throat out. The spider secen where they killed that guy to much clay blood. :D I have Beyond on vhs. QUACK!! QUACK!! QUACK!! oh yea zombie wasn't that good ether.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by NECRO666
The Beyond wasn't that great only when that dog ripped that bitchs throat out.

wow, thats really nice.

remember back in the day when women werent generically referred to as bitches ?

lets get back to that ASAP.

[NECRO666]

:D They where Hookers in the film that he killed. If the woman is a hooker then she must be a bitch...Or a dirty bitch 9/10 she might have something. lol

[The STE]

The Beyond sucked

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by doctor satan
The Beyonds a classic, can't say the same about New York Ripper though.....

Why? The New York Ripper is easily one of the best films to come out of the horror genre. Sure its exploitative and confrontational but it pushed boundaries... something directors of this era are to scared to do.

....and to everyone ragging on the Beyond: I'd hate to think of what you'd say is a good horror film. The Beyond is a fucking amazing flick and Fulci is quite possibly one of the best directors ever to leave is mark on the genre.

@NECRO666: Fuck up.

[The STE]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
....and to everyone ragging on the Beyond: I'd hate to think of what you'd say is a good horror film.
And Then There Were None, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Dawn of the Dead,Evil Dead, The Exorcist, From Dusk Till Dawn ,Halloween, Kaïro, M, Night of the Hunter, Psycho, Seven, Wicker Man, Kwaidan, Last House on the Left, Rear Window, Shadow of the Vampire, 28 Days Later, Dark Water, Identity, The Shining, Suicide Circle, Audition, American Psycho, Cure, Demons, Funny Games, Ringu, Scream, Suspiria

[Elvis_Christ]

I wouldn't call Rear Window, M, Night of The Hunter or Seven horror films. Dark Water was a terrible film.... boring as hell with no new ideas (I'd hate to see what the US version of the film has to offer). But yeh we're on different wave lengths when talking about horror looking at your list.

[The STE]

my tastes in horror movies, like any other type movies, vary. My only requirements are that the movie is either a) Well made, or b) entertaining. I've got no problem with a mindless gore-fest movie, even if it's shitty, as long as it's entertaining. The Beyond is an incoherent mess of a movie. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it as I do if it wasn't made to seem all deep and artistic. I still wouldn't like it on the grounds that it's shitty and boring, but I wouldn't feel as strongly in my dislike. Though I'm still not going to insult people on the basis that their opinion of the movie differs from mine, as I've run into over this movie before.


BTW, I almost agree with you on Dark Water. It wasn't particularly inovative and difficult to watch, but it was well made within the confines of what it was (the acting and direction were good). As for the American re-make, I've actually heard from both American critics and "American remakes suck, go Japanese movies!!" types that the movie was really good.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by The STE
The Beyond sucked \

blasphemy! :eek:

[The STE]

don't care, I'll say it again: The Beyond sucked

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by The STE
The Beyond is an incoherent mess of a movie. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it as I do if it wasn't made to seem all deep and artistic.

....and you like Suspiria? What you just said describes Suspiria for me.

[The STE]

Suspiria had 2 things going for it: Jessica Harper and its look (direction, cinematography and art direction). Jessica Harper put in a good performance while surrounded by mediocre to bad actors, and the movie just looks really damn good. And the "dog kills the owner" scene in Suspiria was done far better than the similar scene in The Beyond


btw, something that pisses me off about Fulci: He has talent, and you'll never hear me say otherwise. But he NEVER USES IT! I get a glimpse here and there of his artistic abilities, mostly in Zombi 2, but he just puts out these shit movies.

[Elvis_Christ]

Fulci had heaps of talent as far as I'm concerned. House By The Cemetery, The Beyond, City Of The Living Dead, Zombie and The New York Ripper are some of my favorite horror movies. I used to be a big Argento fiend but now I prefer Fulci's work for the elaberatley staged gore and Mario Bava for the staging and cinematography. Argento is average as hell for me after delving into these directors work. Don't get me wrong I still love his work but Bava and Fulci's flicks just do a lot more for me.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by The STE
28 days Later

28 days later sucked.

Lets fight about it. :p

Ill admit that I can see why some people wouldn't like The Beyond.

[NECRO666]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
@NECRO666: Fuck up. [/B] what's fucked up? about those bitchs getting killed or me saying bitches. Hey if your a hooker then good chance your a bitch. Beyond I think is over-rated. alot of Fulci films I think there not that great, Fulci is so dam cheap he wouldn't spend some money to make his films a little better. they are some films that are cool somewhat but he was cheap and a Total asshole in real life. It just suck bc there are films that won't come out for rentel that we want to see.

[alkytrio666]

Originally posted by NECRO666
what's fucked up? about those bitchs getting killed or me saying bitches.

What's really fucked up is a guy who can't type one coherent sentence and has an avatar with a weed leaf smoking a joint judging people as a whole and degrating women.

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
28 days later sucked.

Lets fight about it. :p


Yeh get 'em Angela! :D

Originally posted by NECRO666
what's fucked up?

You and your moronic posts are.

[The STE]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
28 days later sucked.


why?

[PR3SSUR3]

It was caked in hokey CGI and fashionable low-fps, featured unappealing characters (atrocious acting from one of the lead women), but most damagingly reran the now shockingly familiar post-apocalyptic one about the survivors who meet up to battle the hordes of undead (or in this case infected nutters), tooling up and finding 'hope' along the way.

Danny Boyle's career and promise as a director after Shallow Grave and Trainspotting has taken a nosedive after A Life Less Ordinary, The Beach and now this.

[Elvis_Christ]

28 Days had one of the lamest endings ever aswell.

[The STE]

I don't fault movies for using familiar synopses unless it's clear that they're doing so directly to cash in on trends. I didn't get that feeling with 28DL. Not only do I not fault it for using the post-apocalyptic motif, I give it points for putting an interesting plot point in in that England was quarantined. And I liked that the disease spread so quickly, so they could avoid characters trying to hide the fact that they'd been infected. And while I didn't really think the acting of the main female was great, Cilian Murphy, Chris Ecclestein, and Brendan Gleeson were very good.

I agree on the ending, it felt tacked on. So I just stop the movie when they hit the gate.


And as basic and familiar as the plot may have been, at least it was coherent

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by NECRO666
what's fucked up?


He didn't say ''fucked up'', he said ''fuck up'' as in shut the fuck up.

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
He didn't say ''fucked up'', he said ''fuck up'' as in shut the fuck up.

I'm glad someone understands me :D

Originally posted by The STE
I agree on the ending, it felt tacked on. So I just stop the movie when they hit the gate.


I remember the alternate ending on the DVD was better they should've went with that one. Haven't watched it since it came out so my memories a bit foggy. I prefered the Dawn Of The Dead remake at the time. 28 Days didn't totally suck but it didn't impress me a hell of a lot. More of a thriller to me than a horror flick.

[PR3SSUR3]

28 Days Later:-

As with several highly rated British horror productions, the problem is in the execution.

Another post-apocalyptic 'zombie' affair might be more palatable without the gloss that was applied here, but further comtempt is bred by generally lightweight acting and something difficult to pin down - best described as an all-to-obvious air of 'Britishness' about the whole thing, manifested through unnatural accents and a manipulative sense of 'wonder' as the Romero story is so 'cleverly' relocated across the Atlantic.

Add to that, the natural disdain for mainstream horror that we've all seen before through the underground indie circuit... 28 Days Later needed to take more risks, and lose much of the sheen.

So far as The Beyond goes, it is one of Fulci's best, most atmospheric films (which may not be much of an accolade to some) but many don't buy into his vision (naivete?) when it comes to narrative and would prefer films with the weight of disbelief a little lighter and a more coherent order.

Whatever, it has more heart and soul in its little finger than the whole of 28 Days Later.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
So far as The Beyond goes, it is one of Fulci's best, most atmospheric films (which may not be much of an accolade to some) but many don't buy into his vision (naivete?) when it comes to narrative and would prefer films with the weight of disbelief a little lighter and a more coherent order.

.


i never had a need for order or coherency ..
i just didnt like the piecemeal student film feel to it ..

it had more in common with those later corman films where he'd chop a bunch of films together into one.

i admit, had i first seen it 20 years ago i probably would also be a champion of this film today - getting off on the cheap but entheusiastic gore effects - but having 1st seen it just 1 year ago (with huge expectations) i was dissapointed .. just found it foolish and inept. not lacking coherence - just laking sense.

wasnt looking to dislike it - was really looking forward to something nuts.


i did enjoy 28 days later though .. i liked the human side of it .. it was the part of the film i concentrated on and enjoyed

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by The STE
why?

Much like after the apocalypse, except for the occassional zombie the movie was empty and boring. It was like they had a great idea and thought they'd just see if the movie could ride on it, total failure imo.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
Much like after the apocalypse, except for the occassional zombie the movie was empty and boring. It was like they had a great idea and thought they'd just see if the movie could ride on it, total failure imo.


i thought the movie had a lot going for it ..

the drop in the eye (father /daughter)
the (not new) theme of the military turning martial law into martial unlawlessness (which is exactly how i picture it to be)

i liked the refreshing change from the shambling beatable zombie to a disease spreading killing frenzy ...

i thought it was a well directed, well acted film..

[PR3SSUR3]

i admit, had i first seen it 20 years ago i probably would also be a champion of this film today

It's funny, as a teenager I wouldn't entertain what I saw as cheap, unsatisfying (even offensive) eurotrash when it came to Italian exploitation. I needed the reassurance of Hollywood's values, the certainty of where the stories were heading, the rush of excitement from hip and expensive American productions making us feel good about ourselves as the end credits roll.

Discovering the forbidden (in the UK at least) underground - and films like The Beyond - helped put Hollywood horror in perspective, and displayed how sterile and restrictive the genre had become in the 90s. That is not to say The Beyond and City of the Living Dead are championed solely for their low production values and anti-Hollywood elements, but Fulci's films do offer an alternative to the predictable tidyness of bigger budget cinema and - to their fans at least - their wild scripts are not unfathomable but rather braver representations of how aggressive and off the rails the horror film can get.

[The STE]

There's good incoherency and bad incoherency. For example:

Eraserhead: "What's the deal with the radiator? Why's the baby all lizardy? Who's that guy and why did he make a pencil eraser out of his head? Why is is hair like that?"
Good incoherency. Raises questions about possible symbolic or otherwise narritively challenging ideas or events. And hairstyle choices. I guess.


The Beyond: "Why the hell are spiders eating him all of a sudden? Why did that guy just hook a 50 year old corpse up to a brain monitor? If the incorporeal force of evil can just kill people whenever it wants, why doesn't it just do that with the main characters? Why are people going blind with no explanation and no relevance or connection to any sort of plot point?"
Bad incoherency. Raises questions about basic plot development and character motives. No discernable connection between most plot points.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by urgeok

i liked the refreshing change from the shambling beatable zombie to a disease spreading killing frenzy ...


Every idea the movie had was great! The military, the disease, everything. I felt the movie lacked real guts, I couldn't care about anything that went on and I was just bored watching it.

I wouldn't put it up there with Psycho or The Shining but like a lot of horror movies I like that other people hate, it was entertaining.

[PR3SSUR3]

There's good incoherency and bad incoherency

Highly subjective to one's perceptions, of course.

David Lynch made such aspects of Eraserhead acceptable though his enticing surreal vision, high on atmosphere and visual provocation.

(Un Chien Andalou).

Likewise, Lucio Fulci 'gets away with' inexplicable contrivances and spontaneous plot shifts - partly because The Beyond is a 'Fulci film', and partly because his work is quintessential 80s Italian gore also loaded with atmosphere and visual provocation.

It's horses for courses - many find The Beyond inoffensive in its loose plotting, yet decide some of Lynch and Takashi Miike's work is pretentious and baffling.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
It's funny, as a teenager I wouldn't entertain what I saw as cheap, unsatisfying (even offensive) eurotrash when it came to Italian exploitation. I needed the reassurance of Hollywood's values, the certainty of where the stories were heading, the rush of excitement from hip and expensive American productions making us feel good about ourselves as the end credits roll.



thats pretty funny because as a younger fella i was head over heals in love with eurotrash .. video had just been made available and i ate up every single horror film i could get my hands on .. 100s of movies i'd have never gotten exposure to before coming from a small canadian town.

i dubbed everything .. no matter how obscure or small budget .. and this is where my love for the italian zombie films started..

i still like a lot of them .. and i still have a huge soft spot for the genre but i've never found fulci to be that great... i didnt much like zombi2 (or whatever its called wherever) except for a couple of scenes ,, and i'm past the point where a couple of cool gore scenes will carry a movie for me ..

eraserhead, chien andalou .. these were crazy films .. drug induced nightmares .. to me - whereas i found the beyond to be a patchwork quilt of 'lets do this .. lets do that - this will look cool ... just a series if unrelated shorts clumbsily fashioned into some semblance of a complete piece ..

maybe if that attemp hadnt been made i'd like it better . i dunno ... there was so much that i thought was just plain stupid .. (the woman in the morgue who somehow got melted even though she was nowhere near the goop that spilled to melt her ..)

the water dripping from the toip of the basement wall (the water line was 3 feet below that at least ...
i know that gets to sound like nit picking very fast ... but i could go on for 30 other points ...

it doesnt have to flow or make sense .. i just didnt find any of the imagry that interesting ... until the very end i guess .. ("walking into the painting") .. i like a bleak ending ..

its just that i never gave a shit about what would happen to anyone in the movie .. or why, or how ...

explaining it to this extent sounds petty i guess .. i know that ... better to say it just didnt hit me . it was the wrong timing for me ..


(story of ricky ... theres some crazy shit i loved)

[The_Return]

Originally posted by urgeok
...but having 1st seen it just 1 year ago (with huge expectations) i was dissapointed ..

Strange words coming from someone who often calls out the evils of watching movies with high expectations.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by The_Return
Strange words coming from someone who often calls out the evils of watching movies with high expectations.

yep, but i never said it didnt happen to me !

got bit right on the ass

[PR3SSUR3]

It's all a bit Beyond me.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
It's all a bit Beyond me.

try a different gate :D

[NECRO666]

I won't shut the fuck up asshole. Ok I'm not saying bitchs to woman just the hookers fuck head. And about those bitchs I was talking about ny ripper. If you offened about me saying hookers are bitchs then to fucking bad. :mad:

[PR3SSUR3]

My mother's a hooker, but if I ever called her a bitch I'd better run goddammit.

:eek:

[hollywoodgothiq]

That's funny, cause my mom's a bitch, but if I ever called her a hooker, I'd better scram fast!

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by NECRO666
I won't shut the fuck up asshole.

Whatever fine by me. Carry on with your retarded posts and look like a moronic fuckwit with the grammar skills of a pile of dogshit.

[NECRO666]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
Whatever fine by me. Carry on with your retarded posts and look like a moronic fuckwit with the grammar skills of a pile of dogshit. Hey faggot if you don't like me calling hookers bitchs then to fucking bad bitch. I call hookers bitches, skanks, whores, waste of money. Only ppl like you will talk shit to other ppl if your in front of the cpu stupid idiot. Now if you could read idiot I didn't say woman are bitchs just the hookers asshole.

Retards like you should click (http://www.freshtribe.com/flash/gary_retard_fights_flu.aspx) :D

[Elvis_Christ]

Reinforcement of negative stereotypes delivered by a trash mouth.

*Claps*

:rolleyes:

[PR3SSUR3]

waste of money

Surely it depends on who you go to.

[The STE]

Originally posted by NECRO666
Only ppl like you will talk shit to other ppl if your in front of the cpu stupid idiot.

Originally posted by NECRO666
[B]Hey faggot...bitch...stupid idiot...if you could read idiot...asshole...Retards like you

:confused:

[Beyond]

Originally posted by mictlan
Skip Zombie 3 and get Zombie 1 instead... I think they call it Zombie 3 because that's how many minutes of it Fulci directed. It's a terrible film.

:D

The Beyond is my all time favourite horror film! :eek:

[Beyond]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
28 Days Later:-

As with several highly rated British horror productions, the problem is in the execution.

Another post-apocalyptic 'zombie' affair might be more palatable without the gloss that was applied here, but further comtempt is bred by generally lightweight acting and something difficult to pin down - best described as an all-to-obvious air of 'Britishness' about the whole thing, manifested through unnatural accents and a manipulative sense of 'wonder' as the Romero story is so 'cleverly' relocated across the Atlantic.

Add to that, the natural disdain for mainstream horror that we've all seen before through the underground indie circuit... 28 Days Later needed to take more risks, and lose much of the sheen.

So far as The Beyond goes, it is one of Fulci's best, most atmospheric films (which may not be much of an accolade to some) but many don't buy into his vision (naivete?) when it comes to narrative and would prefer films with the weight of disbelief a little lighter and a more coherent order.

Whatever, it has more heart and soul in its little finger than the whole of 28 Days Later.

Nice!

I can understand why some people don't like The Beyond, but maybe this quote from the maestro himself will help them understand his "vision":


"In Italy we make films based on pure themes, without a plot, and THE BEYOND - like INFERNO - refuses conventions or traditional structers ... people who blame THE BEYOND for its lack of story don't understand that it's a film of images, which must be received without any reflection."

- LUCIO FULCI

[PR3SSUR3]

The older I get, the more patience I have for such explainations of people's art.

As much as I am a man of logic I cannot find anything about The Beyond that offends my sensibilities.

Moreover, I enjoy and am challenged by it... and not in an arty farty way.

[MrShape]

Fulci rocks, and The Beyond is really one of his best. My favorite bit: that blind chick getting her throat ripped out.

[PR3SSUR3]

Don't you mean, "bitch"?

[Jacob Singer]

or hooker?

[_____V_____]

I heard a lot of positive stuff about this movie years ago. Back then I had seen Zombie which I didnt like that much, except in parts, so when I came to know Fulci made this one, I naturally didnt expect much from it.

Finally I got my hands on a VHS copy and I wasnt disappointed, for the simple fact that I didnt expect much. The plot was a bit confusing (so I had to watch it closely a 2nd time) and the real action didnt happen till the last 30-35 mins or so, when the zombies make an appearance for the first time. Considering the fact that the movie is around 90 mins approx, I d say one has to endure an hour before one is rewarded by some really good stuff.

All things said and done, its a good watchable flick. But still, in comparison to a movie like Dawn of the Dead, it lags far behind, IMO.




Hey faggot if you don't like me calling hookers bitchs then to fucking bad bitch. I call hookers bitches, skanks, whores, waste of money. Only ppl like you will talk shit to other ppl if your in front of the cpu stupid idiot. Now if you could read idiot I didn't say woman are bitchs just the hookers asshole.

Dude/dudette/it/alien/ET...you need a spelling and grammar checker, plus one of these :-

http://land-of-meh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/tampax.gif

[PR3SSUR3]

Perhaps Fulci has taken narrative beyond itself, as a condition of its existing, and it is only because the being of the characters can be doubled into the beyond that he finds their actions worth narrating at all.

Plus there's a neat eyeball-popping of some bitch whore.