glorification of violence

[Sam The Egg]

One of the main arguments against horror, and one of the dumbest, is that it glorifies violence. Obviously, the genre as a whole doesn't, since the violence isn't used in any sort of context that would glorify it. But are there any horror movies that DO glorify violence?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
One of the main arguments against horror, and one of the dumbest, is that it glorifies violence. Obviously, the genre as a whole doesn't, since the violence isn't used in any sort of context that would glorify it. But are there any horror movies that DO glorify violence?


Actually, I think most ACTION movies are better examples of that...


Steven Segal...Arnold Schwarzenegger...Jean Claude Van Damme...etcetera...

Horror movies are just a scapegoat for parents' lack of responsibility

[allmykids]

I'm sure there are but i can't think of any right now!! I allways thought the big gripe was that horror movies Desensitize us. but i don't believe that. I've seen some real gore and all the horror movies i've seen did not even begain to prepare me for the real thing let alone Desencsitize me.

[meetthecreeper]

I think it desensitzes more than glorifies if anything but usually the ones blaming horror films have trouble keeping the houseplants alive let alone raising their children. But they have to have somebody to blame.

[massacre man]

news reporter:OMG some kid got mad and took a gun to school he ripped off jason voorhees and mcihael myers
person walking on the streets:but jason or michael dont use guns
reporter:so what we just wanna blame horror movies

[Sam The Egg]

the desensitization is a good point, but is desensitization necissarily a bad thing? I mean, just because you're nonreactant, does that mean you can't recognize that it's bad?

[Rotting Eye]

It's the same problem with heavy metal, and shooters in arcades that use those plastic guns.

What was the reation people when Columbine happened? OMGWTF THEY LISTENED TO MARILYN MANSON!!! IT'S ALL HIS FAULT!! How ignorant can you get?

Around here I'm hard pressed to find an arcade in which gun games are still available. Most of them have been removed since Columbine, Santana, etcetc.

It's stupid people trying to put blame on things other than bad parenting, and that their kids are just fuckups in general.

[Sam The Egg]

it also totally ignores and insults all the well adjusted people who listen to the same music

[fluffho]

interesting how here the problem is violence in media, whereas in europe violence is hardly seen, but rather sex is portrayed

question is, which one is worse

on one hand violence CAN, i said can not does, but lets say can induce people to start killing each other. although i think most people are smart enough not to or are too pussy to do so

on the other sex can cause people to start fuckin aroudn when they are 12 and can turn schools into daycares. im guessing this would have more affect than violence. i think peopel would be more apt to have sex and feel good than to kill someone and end up in jail, but then again im in my own little chocolate frosting world and could be wayy off.

and im tired of these dumbass parents blaming manson and beavis and butthead for their kids antics. it's time to have people apply for a certificate to bear children or just start killin em off like they do in china

then we can use their skin and make that weird lotion the celebs put on their face to fix wrinkles

lick my ass

[Sam The Egg]

side thought: Is violence a natural part of horror? Off the top of my head I can't think of instances of horror without violence, but can anybody else? Can horror exist period without violence?

[nightbreed]

i feel that natural born killers is a good example of a film that does little but glorify nihilistic violence.

[meetthecreeper]

Sure you can have horror without the violence, but I think there is the perception of violence seen or unseen. I dont think that horror films glorify violence, horror films usually have the bad guy or some form of evil doing all the violence against innocence, whereas action films have the supposed good guys mowing down everyone in a 30 block radius with an UZI. We are supposed to cheer this guy on and root for him but supposed to hope that the bad guy gets it in the end in a horror film. Personally I always root for the killer in a horror film but thats just me.

I think that the whole reason why we have violence in movies is becasue we are all curious about death and this is how we deal with it.

In an action film you can relate to the hero and he can do things in a film that you wish that you could do, like smoking a drug dealer and killing terrorists and shit.

Before modern times we had public executions and people brutally murdered each other with hand weapons. Imagine the battlefields where men fought each other with swords and axes and such. The brutality had to be unbelievable, now with modernization we are able to wipe each other out with the mere push of a button.

So I think that maybe as a society we have become less violent than our previous ancestors. We dont have colloseums anymore where we watch real people killing each other and being thrown to the lions for our entertainment, we just see it on TV.

[massacre man]

ur using big words and big paragraphs

i are confused

:(

the word i dont understand most is glorificationizationolationizizer thats confusing

[Vodstok]

no movie, music, or other media influences violent or sexual behavior. AND, if they want to blame media, then they should be EDUCATING kids about it, rather than sequestering them from it.
Ever see what happens to kids that are sheltered from sex, their parents dont let them in sex-ed classes and so on?

They usually turn into whores once they DO get exposed to it. Was it the porno little johnny watched that made him want to get into suzy's pants? No, he would have wanted to anyway. Now, if he knew he should protect himself, maybe little suzie wouldnt have had her first kid at 16.

Also, in columbine..... Does anyone really think that the reason those kids thought they could only get back at their scholl was by killing everyone was caused by music, games or movies? NO. They HTAED those people. it doesnt take a violent education to react violently to something that you hate or find frustrating. Ironically, the people who a whining that marilyn manson, doom, or halloween are causing kids to kill are the same people whose great great grandfathers were lynching black people because they were afraid that they were going to lose something if blacks were allowed equality.

Action movies arent any more to blame. dont blame one thing to defend your chosen genre, or you are just as bad as the other retards who blame everthing.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Action movies arent any more to blame. dont blame one thing to defend your chosen genre, or you are just as bad as the other retards who blame everthing.

I do not believe that it is the intention of any member of this forum to blame any manner of media for the violence or degradation of our society, as we here are intelligent, open-minded and enlightened individuals...

I personally, was merely pointing out that while horror movies do contain violence, I do not believe that said violence is glorified, and that if any genre actually "glorifies" violence, it would be that of the "Action Movie" variety...As Creeper also, so eloquently pointed out...As far as where to put the blame when the children go bad...Look at the parents...

No manner of media is responsible for the behavior of our children, and when they reach the age of 18, they are responsible for themselves:)

[meetthecreeper]

[i]
Action movies arent any more to blame. dont blame one thing to defend your chosen genre, or you are just as bad as the other retards who blame everthing. [/B]

Nobody is saying that action films are 2 blame and horror films arent, I was just making an observation between the 2. The fact of the matter is, the sheeple in this country and most of the planet want to do whatever they want and not take responsibility for their actions. Whether it be horror, action, or musicals it doesnt matter the individual has to take it to the next step.

And if you want to throw out the slavery race card, why is it that a minority can commit crimes, father children out of wedlock and so on and then run around whinning about how they have been oppressed all their lives. ITS BS. I have Italian, Irish, and Sioux Indian Heritage. The Romans enslaved the Irish, when the Irish came to america they were denied jobs, same with the Italians, lets not even get started on the Indian thing.

Ever spend time on an Indian Reservation??? It would make the slums of Harlem look like paradise. My ancestors had their land taken from them, and have somewhat been compensated. You know how they take care of what they have?? By dumping their garbage next to their house, by killing every living thing on the reservation. I have done a great deal of hunting in South Dakota on the reservation, have come across dead pronghorn shot for no other reason but sport. rattlesnakes with the heads and tails cut off to make keychains for the damn tourist.

I think I am getting too far off topic but what is their excuse for acting this way??? Its all about personal responsibility which none of them have.

[Sam The Egg]

I think movies and video games should have a "stupid" warning. Like how some games in the arcade have a warning saying that they have flashing lights and people with epilepsy shouldn't play them, so that they won't get sued. Same thing with the stupidity warning. "Stupid people should not watch this movie or play this game".

[PsychoticPanda]

I'm so fuckin' sick of parents blaming video games, movies, and music as their kids influences of stupidity. If someone's too fucking lazy to watch what their kid(s) watch, or just monitor a bit then shit's going to happen. It's the parents fault. You can't blame something else for your own actions. If you think your child is too fucking stupid to know right from wrong while watching a movie, then don't let them watch it!!!!!!!!!!

Like when I was younger I didn't really have any restrictions on what I could watch. Because my parents would usually watch it with me, or trust me to know that gutting people probably isn't such a good idea.

So if some horror movies really do glorify violence, then I don't think it should be a problem if the people who watch it are SMART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
As far as where to put the blame when the children go bad...Look at the parents...

rather than putting the blame on movies, media etc people need to take personal responsibility. in the most parts yes parents need to do a better job

the thing is though where does this begin and end? take twins girls, raise them the exact same way, the same food, hair styles clothes.. they will turn out differently. in the end its the person doing the action who needs to take responsibilty.

look at richard ramirez. did his other brothers and sisters end up mutilating people? did they get off on raping women and having them yell i love you satan? nope... just richard.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I think movies and video games should have a "stupid" warning. Like how some games in the arcade have a warning saying that they have flashing lights and people with epilepsy shouldn't play them, so that they won't get sued. Same thing with the stupidity warning. "Stupid people should not watch this movie or play this game".

I agree. That would only leave.. say maybe a dozen people in an arcade or theatre at any time. And a dozen is being generous.

More play time for me! YAY

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by fluffho
rather than putting the blame on movies, media etc people need to take personal responsibility. in the most parts yes parents need to do a better job

the thing is though where does this begin and end? take twins girls, raise them the exact same way, the same food, hair styles clothes.. they will turn out differently. in the end its the person doing the action who needs to take responsibilty.

look at richard ramirez. did his other brothers and sisters end up mutilating people? did they get off on raping women and having them yell i love you satan? nope... just richard.


I understand what your saying, Fluff...My point was that the parents are responsible until the child reaches the age of 18, at which time, every person is responsible for his or her own actions...Perhaps the child is inherently evil, so you may say, "Well the parents couldn't help that"...Actually, the way I see it is....If you have a bad child, whether you caused it or not, you as a parent are responsible for recognizing that, monitoring, and...if necessary, restraining said child...

It still comes back to the parents...Until the child is no longer a child:)

[fluffho]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I understand what your saying, Fluff...My point was that the parents are responsible until the child reaches the age of 18, at which time, every person is responsible for his or her own actions...Perhaps the child is inherently evil, so you may say, "Well the parents couldn't help that"...Actually, the way I see is....If you have a bad child, whether you caused it or not, you as a parent are responsible for recognizing that, monitoring, and...if necessary, restraining said child...

It still comes back to the parents...Until the child is no longer a child:)

gotcha.

Bush throws aroudn the word evil every time he talks about saddam, n korea, now personally i dont know enough about those to judge. although i am not quick to use the word evil, or hate. it makes you wonder though. i mean what if you found your child mutilating your pet dog, at like the age of 7? what would you do? ... ground them? send them to a psychologist?

peter kurten couldnt get off like most young boys do. the first time he finally did though, was after he broke the neck of a swan

diazen hossencoft, was not only a con man, but amurderer at that. the sad thing was, up until his sophomore year he was a football player, popular guy, good grades... then he got knocked out during practice and was in a coma for a couple weeks. after that, he was a changed person, and ended up being one hell of a con and killing his wife. i watched his testimony, holy shit it was one of the scariest things i've ever seen. i mean, after that though, what do you do? send them to a shrink? its a tough call

before, i never used to believe that a person could be inherently evil.. but now im not so sure

i know you are a parent and the majority of parents and will be parents will not have to deal with a child killing their pets then moving onto people. but it's a hard call for the parent that DOES have to face that, i mean, theres not to many people who you coudl talk to about that..write into 'parenting' magazine perhaps and ask their 'experts'?

i guess all there is that a parent or ANYONE can do is to be aware, be supportive, and not to kick themselves if things still dont end up right. just do what you can i guess, some things just cant be helped. plus, its one thing to send someone to a psychologist, but for it to be successful the person HAS to want to go, and i doubt ramirez would be up tot hat...

well actually yeh he'd love to do that, so he could kill them!

edit: damnit why do i always type so mUCH. how sick is this... when writing term papers i would always go OVER the limit of pages and end up turning the font all small just so that it would fit

[Evisceration]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I think movies and video games should have a "stupid" warning. Like how some games in the arcade have a warning saying that they have flashing lights and people with epilepsy shouldn't play them, so that they won't get sued. Same thing with the stupidity warning. "Stupid people should not watch this movie or play this game".

They do have ratings.

Movies: G-NC17

Games: E-NC17

[coldwhisper]

Originally posted by fluffho


before, i never used to believe that a person could be inherently evil.. but now im not so sure


I believe in the opposte. To me, man is inherently good. However this changes when we are exposed to the world. I do not blame the society for the possible "bad" influences it has in us. i think WE are the ones who picks who or what we "take in" (so to speak) to influence our being.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by coldwhisper
I believe in the opposte. To me, man is inherently good. However this changes when we are exposed to the world. I do not blame the society for the possible "bad" influences it has in us. i think WE are the ones who picks who or what we "take in" (so to speak) to influence our being.

yeh i pretty much do believe that man is inherently good.. but after i wathed the thing on diazen hossencoft, it really made me wonder! i mean, he was a good guy up until gettin hit in the head. he went on trial for his wife's murder, and he was sooo scary... and hes just a lil japanese man, usualy they are just funny lookin but he was SCARRY!!!!

[horrorfellow]

I like violence and if I didn't have a conscience I would become involved in it in real life. As it is I must settle for horror movies which glorify it. Oh well.

[Je Suis Phnomne]

I wonder what kind of music Hitler and Stalin were listening to when they while they were watching their early screener of Dawn of the Dead and freebasing crack......