This is why I have lost faith in humanity.

[Psycom5k]

Black Friday WalMart Worker Trampled to Death by Deal-Crazed Black Friday Shoppers
By Adam Frucci, 12:39 PM on Fri Nov 28 2008

OK, Black Friday has officially gotten out of hand. A 34-year-old WalMart employee was trying to hold back the crowds at a Long Island store this morning at 5am, when they took the doors off their hinges and stormed the store. The man fell down and was trampled by over 200 people as he gasped for air. It's sad and despicable, and it's equally the fault of the dehumanized shoppers and the WalMart store it happened at.

Why was there no line set up? Why didn't they let in a reasonable amount of people at a time? What kind of method is it to just allow hundreds of people to cram up against the doors, waiting for them to open? They may have wanted some photo op of people surging through the doors, but they willfully created a very dangerous situation.

Can you imagine if, say, the Apple store did this when the iPhone was launched? Or when the Wii was launched? When a large amount of people are expected for a retail event, organization is needed, otherwise it creates a dangerous situation. This man's death is on WalMart's hands.

As for the people who did the trampling, well, I hope their cheap crap was worth it. They'll have to live with the human costs of their deals for the rest of their lives. [NY Daily News]




Two men kill each other in Toys R Us shootout

PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) -- Two people are dead in a Black Friday shooting at a crowded Toys "R" Us in Palm Desert, Calif.

City Councilman Jim Ferguson says police have told him that the victims were two men with handguns who shot each other.

The councilman says his question is: who takes a loaded gun into a toy store. And his answer is: "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper." Authorities are still investigating but indicate the shooting may have been gang related.

A manager at a gym across the street says people rushed in crying and shaking.

One woman says she was in the store looking at coloring books with her two young boys when there was a commotion in the next aisle. She thought it was a scramble for a sale, then heard gunshots. She says her four-year-old grabbed her leg and said he didn't want to die.

She said she froze, and store employees calmly escorted her out of the store.

Toys "R" Us officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Palm Desert is about 120 miles east of Los Angeles.

The Palm Desert Police Department received calls of shots fired around 11:35 a.m., Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said.

He said officers were still investigating what prompted the gunshots.



This just sickens me, I cannot believe that people care more about getting fucking christmas presents than another human beings life. I'm sure MD will get a kick out of this though.

[Dante'sInferno]

That's fucking pathetic.There is no excuse for that.Fucking idiots.

[hacelikewhoa]

Now that's just ridiculous. Wtf is the world coming to that human beings are seriously this materialistic? People need to stop buying peoples love. Your families WILL survive without a certain gift that you so desperately want to get them. jeez.

[Freak]

I lost faith in humanity along time ago.I work at a K-Mart and I worked this morning and it was pure chaos.Nothing as extreme as what happend in some other areas but someone did spit on another co worker of mine because we where out of stock of a certain item she wanted.

Oh and it was 1 in the afternoon and she was mad we where out.If you really want something on Black Friday common sense would tell you to get there a little earlier.But then again most people lack common sense.

[La Chat Noire]

When I worked at Best Buy we had a customer take off her shoe and thrown it at my coworkers head. People are fucking crazy.

[ferretchucker]

That first guys life was taken away because some guy couldn't take the time to organize things before hand. Absolutely sickening.

[Psycom5k]

That first guys life was taken away because some guy couldn't take the time to organize things before hand. Absolutely sickening.

But then why do hundreds of people need to break down a door that is locked and closed, they snapped it off the hinges and trapped the person underneath the doors. I hate Walmart, but for once its not their fault. Thats how I see it.

[The_Return]

A nice, cheery way to usher in your return to the forum...

[The Flayed One]

When I used to sell toys, comics etc, I heard stories about this kind of shit all of the time.

Yes, I was one of the horrible people who went to the store at 3am when the toys were stocked and bought most of the good ones. However, if I had a cart full of toys and walked by a kid who wanted one, I'd always give it to them to buy. It used to sicken me when I'd go there in the afternoons. There'd be a bunch of mercs (I knew a lot of them) waiting with me, along with families. The store employee would come out with new cases of Star Wars and open them up. Most of the bastards would take off with whatever good toys they could get. I'd grab a bunch, and then make sure to ask the kids there what they were looking for. If I had it in my cart, I'd give it to them to buy. I have no problem selling to regular collectors for increased prices. That's how the business works: I was selling a service. Basically, I was willing to get up and go to the store for them at any hour, and they paid me extra for the effort.

I would never, EVER pass up handing one to a child. I don't care if I could have made $70 bucks off of it.

Every year, there was always some new hot toy people were getting mugged for in the parking lots. Some crazy thing that grown men and women would go to any lengths to get. Breaking into stores and homes for Tickle Me Elmos. I once had a guy give me his $200 trench coat and $50 cash for a Sleep N Snore Ernie. People can be fucking rediculous. A hobby is a hobby, and it's nice to be able to get the hard to come by piece. Then some asshole has to hold a knife to a working mother and take the Beanie Baby she just bought her daughter, and it becomes a sickness. Just like anything else.

So pay $3,000 if you must for your PS3 the day it comes out. I may call you an asshat, but you're not hurting anyone but yourself. Just don't take it out on someone else because your lifestyle or general laziness means you lost the first come, first serve war. If you didn't get it, you can wait like everyone else or pay the gauged price if you feel the need

[Despare]

But then why do hundreds of people need to break down a door that is locked and closed, they snapped it off the hinges and trapped the person underneath the doors. I hate Walmart, but for once its not their fault. Thats how I see it.

Didn't the story say they ripped the doors off the hinges AFTER the store opened?

""When the doors opened, all hell broke loose," a law enforcement source told The Post."


It was disorganized plain and simple. I went to Best Buy, Circuit City, Meijer, Micheal's, Gamestop, Bed Bath & Beyond, Borders, Staples, Target, and the mall today starting at 5 AM and all without incident.

[Psycom5k]

A nice, cheery way to usher in your return to the forum...

Oh yea. Thats how I roll. But seriously I hate black friday for just this reason.

Didn't the story say they ripped the doors off the hinges AFTER the store opened?

"When the doors opened, all hell broke loose," a law enforcement source told The Post."

I haven't heard that, but that doesn't mean that them breaking them open isn't what they are talking about in that quote. And would it really surprise you if they did bust down the doors? I'll agree that it was the people on both sides of the doors' fault though.

When I used to sell toys, comics etc, I heard stories about this kind of shit all of the time.

Yes, I was one of the horrible people who went to the store at 3am when the toys were stocked and bought most of the good ones. However, if I had a cart full of toys and walked by a kid who wanted one, I'd always give it to them to buy. It used to sicken me when I'd go there in the afternoons. There'd be a bunch of mercs (I knew a lot of them) waiting with me, along with families. The store employee would come out with new cases of Star Wars and open them up. Most of the bastards would take off with whatever good toys they could get. I'd grab a bunch, and then make sure to ask the kids there what they were looking for. If I had it in my cart, I'd give it to them to buy. I have no problem selling to regular collectors for increased prices. That's how the business works: I was selling a service. Basically, I was willing to get up and go to the store for them at any hour, and they paid me extra for the effort.

I would never, EVER pass up handing one to a child. I don't care if I could have made $70 bucks off of it.

Every year, there was always some new hot toy people were getting mugged for in the parking lots. Some crazy thing that grown men and women would go to any lengths to get. Breaking into stores and homes for Tickle Me Elmos. I once had a guy give me his $200 trench coat and $50 cash for a Sleep N Snore Ernie. People can be fucking rediculous. A hobby is a hobby, and it's nice to be able to get the hard to come by piece. Then some asshole has to hold a knife to a working mother and take the Beanie Baby she just bought her daughter, and it becomes a sickness. Just like anything else.

So pay $3,000 if you must for your PS3 the day it comes out. I may call you an asshat, but you're not hurting anyone but yourself. Just don't take it out on someone else because your lifestyle or general laziness means you lost the first come, first serve war. If you didn't get it, you can wait like everyone else or pay the gauged price if you feel the need

I bet that if you find a toy that went on sale this morning for the first time, its allready on ebay too.

[missmacabre]

Yeah I read about this eralier today. Shoving a pregnant lady out of the way so you can buy cheap electronics is instant going to hell. I don't care if you're buying an x-box for your dying son who has cancer, that's just stupid.

PS Misssed you Psycom!

[Despare]

I haven't heard that, but that doesn't mean that them breaking them open isn't what they are talking about in that quote. And would it really surprise you if they did bust down the doors? I'll agree that it was the people on both sides of the doors' fault though.


They DID break the doors but the store was open. Most stores I went to had their doors propped open to avoid any problems with people entering and leaving. Everybody's at fault from the poor planning to the ignorant assholes who don't know how to act in public.

[Psycom5k]

Yeah I read about this eralier today. Shoving a pregnant lady out of the way so you can buy cheap electronics is instant going to hell. I don't care if you're buying an x-box for your dying son who has cancer, that's just stupid.

PS Misssed you Psycom!

I missed you too :o

And yea, if I ever saw a pregnant woman being shoved like that, i'd probably have a 1 year ban from the store for fighting. Seriously I'm always around pregnant chicks, so much so I could probably be a midwife. I don't play when it comes to babies and bun in the oven chicks.


They DID break the doors but the store was open. Most stores I went to had their doors propped open to avoid any problems with people entering and leaving. Everybody's at fault from the poor planning to the ignorant assholes who don't know how to act in public. So we're agreed then, and I get the last word on it.......I win!!!

[Despare]

So we're agreed then

Yes, we're in agreement that I'm right.

[fortunato]

I don't even know how to respond to incidents like this anymore.
So I won't.

Other than what I just typed...

[Psycom5k]

Yes, we're in agreement that you're right.

Thats the idea.

[Despare]

Thats the idea.

Either don't quote me or post the correct quote, don't change what I said, that's both lazy and stupid. Things like that really make me question my faith in humanity...

[Psycom5k]

Either don't quote me or post the correct quote, don't change what I said, that's both lazy and stupid. Things like that really make me question my faith in humanity...

Sheesh it was just a joke.
http://www.geocities.com/vibestothemax/chill_pill.jpg

[Despare]

Sheesh it was just a joke.

I don't do drugs.

[Psycom5k]

I don't do drugs.

Maybe you should. :rolleyes:

[Despare]

Maybe you should. :rolleyes:

That's what all junkies say when somebody's being sardonic.

[Psycom5k]

That's what all junkies say when somebody's being sardonic.

Hey what I smoke or inject into my veins is totally my business. And it doesn't make me a junkie. Now if I was sucking D$*& to get my fix then that would make me a junkie. Oh yeah, I'm also afraid of needles just so you know.

[Phalanx]

Oh yeah, I'm also afraid of needles just so you know.
You say that, and inject between your toes to front, right?

RIGHT?!?

Re the shopping incidents...people are just fuckin' stupid...

[Psycom5k]

You say that, and inject between your toes to front, right?

RIGHT?!?

Re the shopping incidents...people are just fuckin' stupid...

Nope, I see a needle and feint.

and yea they are. I say everybody has to have a special wrist band put on once they enter the store, and if they fuck up, instantly injected with poison. Lets seem em fight over a fucking elmo doll then.

[Kemal]

Freaking savages. Trampled to death doing a minimum-wage job by a bunch of crazed shoppers lusting after cheap Chinese crap. What a way to go.

[Roderick Usher]

Linus was right

[urgeok2]

i find it weird with everything thats gone on in the last 3000 years, and it took one guy getting crushed by animals at a wal-mart to shake your faith in humanity

[Psycom5k]

i find it weird with everything thats gone on in the last 3000 years, and it took one guy getting crushed by animals at a wal-mart to shake your faith in humanity

Well, the 9/11 attacks were done by people that thought what they were doing was right. I don't agree with this but to them it meant something. This crap had no meaning at all besides people wanting to be the first ones to buy some crap for christmas, because the whole point of christmas nowadays isn't being with your family. Its all materialistic assholes getting the stuff they want, or the stuff their spoiled brats want, at the price of human life.

[Marroe]

I heard about this before I went to work this morning and it made me so sad that this guy won't being seeing his family for Christmas, or ever again, all because people are so materialistic. I volunteered to work our sale yesterday morning but thankfully Walgreens customers aren't THAT crazy. Well, most of them. But just to be on the safe side I don't think I'm going to be working Black Friday ever again. Or leaving the house.

[bwind22]

They need to change their slogan from 'Watch for Falling Prices.' to 'Watch for Falling Doors (and stampeding mobs of bargain hunters.)'

The real problem I have here though is that there are that many people shopping at WalMart at all. There are so many other businesses out there, from gigantic corporate slimeballs all the way up to ma & pop owned local establishments with good intentions that serve their communities. Do we really need MOBS of people supporting THE sleaziest coproration in our country?

That's what makes me lose faith in humanity... The fact that so many fuckin' people support Wal-Mart. Fucking sickening.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/images/walmart_low_morals_alt.jpg

[Phalanx]

I just want a tv.
Yes, a tv is what I want.

[Psycom5k]

I was asked what I wanted for christmas, and I told them 3 things some Ram for my pc, a new headset(preferably wireless), and the TDK DVD. whats that, $150 at the most?

[Despare]

They need to change their slogan from 'Watch for Falling Prices.' to 'Watch for Falling Doors (and stampeding mobs of bargain hunters.)'

The real problem I have here though is that there are that many people shopping at WalMart at all. There are so many other businesses out there, from gigantic corporate slimeballs all the way up to ma & pop owned local establishments with good intentions that serve their communities. Do we really need MOBS of people supporting THE sleaziest coproration in our country?

That's what makes me lose faith in humanity... The fact that so many fuckin' people support Wal-Mart. Fucking sickening.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/images/walmart_low_morals_alt.jpg

My aunt is a district manager and makes well over $100,000 a year (closer to $200,000 actually) with great benefits. Just because people don't let the union bully them they get targeted for low wages... I know some other people who work there and make a decent wage too.

[bwind22]

Guaranteed the guy that got trampled wasn't pulling down more than $10 an hour.

But I think you and I have had this conversation before so I'll leave it at that.

[Psycom5k]

Guaranteed the guy that got trampled wasn't pulling down more than $10 an hour.

But I think you and I have had this conversation before so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah they now have this policy where there is only so much you can make and for most people thats not even 12 dollars.

[bwind22]

I'm just gonna guess that guy assigned to stand at the doors at 5am on a weekend is on the low end of the payscale, so that'd probably put him in the $8-$9/hour range, probably with no insurance.

[Despare]

I'm just gonna guess that guy assigned to stand at the doors at 5am on a weekend is on the low end of the payscale, so that'd probably put him in the $8-$9/hour range, probably with no insurance.

Probably no insurance because if you read the article he was placed there for the rush as extra help from a temp agency. $8 or $9 dollars an hour is a hell of a lot better than if he was in China slaving his life away AND it's above minimum wage, places that want to MAKE MONEY do not have to pay high wages, hell, we might as well be Socialist and all make the same wage in that case. Why the fuck should anybody get more than $9.00 an hour to be a greeter?

[ferretchucker]

$8-9 and hour is pretty damn good! My sister works at subway and makes less than £5 and hour. Minimum wage here being about £4.50! $10 would be quite good for supermarket wage and $12 is way better.

[La Chat Noire]

Given the cost of living, $8 or $9 an hour isn't good all. It's not a wage you can make a living off of by yourself. You would have to have roommates or live with family...you need someone else to help support you. But raising wages isn't the answer because that will only drive prices up more. I'm not sure there is a good solution.

[bwind22]

Probably no insurance because if you read the article he was placed there for the rush as extra help from a temp agency. $8 or $9 dollars an hour is a hell of a lot better than if he was in China slaving his life away AND it's above minimum wage, places that want to MAKE MONEY do not have to pay high wages, hell, we might as well be Socialist and all make the same wage in that case. Why the fuck should anybody get more than $9.00 an hour to be a greeter?

When he was slaving in China at a sweatshop to make all the fine Wal Mart products that allow for their low, low prices?

I can't fathom a reason you defend them so fiercely. Are you a member of the Walton family or something? Or do you just know nothing of how that corporation operates?

Minimum wage is $7.78. (Going up to $8.15 next year I believe.) $8-$9 may as well be minimum wage. It's not enough to survive on and certainly not enough to put your life at risk in front of a horde of crazed bargain shoppers that're willing to tear the door off it's hinges and trample you to death to get to the sweat shop deals.

[ferretchucker]

Minimum wage is what you need to survive. It can pay for all the needs, but none of the wants. And also, if he would have wanted more, or any of the people who work there, they could go somewhere else. There are always places that need employees. They choose to stay there, and so I don't think they can complain about it.

[Despare]

When he was slaving in China at a sweatshop to make all the fine Wal Mart products that allow for their low, low prices?

I can't fathom a reason you defend them so fiercely. Are you a member of the Walton family or something? Or do you just know nothing of how that corporation operates?

Minimum wage is $7.78. (Going up to $8.15 next year I believe.) $8-$9 may as well be minimum wage. It's not enough to survive on and certainly not enough to put your life at risk in front of a horde of crazed bargain shoppers that're willing to tear the door off it's hinges and trample you to death to get to the sweat shop deals.

I have over 10 people I know and/or relation who work there and get paid well INCLUDING benefits. Sorry it doesn't match up with the "facts" from your documentary, but it's the truth. I'm not saying all their operating procedures are right but this is America and they should have the right to practice whatever business strategies they feel fit. Putting your life at risk is a stretch... it's one day a year this craze happens and how many Wal-Marts are around nation-wide? 1 out of how many employees were killed? Sounds like a freak accident more than a life threatening job. My wife's friend was hit by a forklift at Lowes, does that mean working at or shopping at Lowes is life threatening?

[bwind22]

Minimum wage is not what you need to survive. That's the idea behind it, but it's not realistic. $7.78 an hour can not afford rent or a mortgage, a car plus gas to put in itor insurance coverage for it, food, health and dental insurance and clothing. And if you have kids or needs perscription medication, forget about it.

As for just going to get another job, it's not always as simple as that. Our economy is shit right now and most businesses are laying people off and cutting costs wherever they can, not looking to hire and train new employees. Not to mention if they work at a small town WalMart, then many of the other local companies have probably already been put out of business by WalMart's sweat shop prices, further limiting job selection.

Strangely enough though, it's not usually the workers that complain (They'd lose their job if Walmart caught wind of that.). It's other people who see the bigger picture that complain on their behalf. Watch the documentary, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices. It's very revealing & very well done.

[bwind22]

I have over 10 people I know and/or relation who work there and get paid well INCLUDING benefits. Sorry it doesn't match up with the "facts" from your documentary, but it's the truth. I'm not saying all their operating procedures are right but this is America and they should have the right to practice whatever business strategies they feel fit.

They can and do run their business how they see fit, but seeing as this is America and I have freedom of speech, I also have the right to despise them for it and let people know they are the sleaziest corporation in the country.

Putting your life at risk is a stretch... it's one day a year this craze happens and how many Wal-Marts are around nation-wide? 1 out of how many employees were killed? Sounds like a freak accident more than a life threatening job.

I wouldn't say greeting people at Wal Mart is a life threatening job in general, but this guy died doing it so his life was clearly at risk. It could have been prevented had the store taken measures to organize and control the crowd outside the store.

My wife's friend was hit by a forklift at Lowes, does that mean working at or shopping at Lowes is life threatening?

Sure, working with forklifts or any heavy machinery can be life threatening. And I'm sure people working with heavy machinery at Lowe's are getting paid more than front door greeters at WalMart to compensate for the danger.

[Despare]

Strangely enough though, it's not usually the workers that complain (They'd lose their job if Walmart caught wind of that.). It's other people who see the bigger picture that complain on their behalf. Watch the documentary, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices. It's very revealing & very well done.

Maybe that's because what you HEAR or see in a movie isn't exactly the truth...

I don't have a problem with you saying what you believe, you're free to say what you'd like, but I have every right to oppose your view. I'm not calling you names or making threats, just saying that I think you're wrong. :)

[stubbornforgey]

Minimum wage is what you need to survive. It can pay for all the needs, but none of the wants. And also, if he would have wanted more, or any of the people who work there, they could go somewhere else. There are always places that need employees. They choose to stay there, and so I don't think they can complain about it.


this is the most dumbest thing i have ever heard from you..!!!
People are just happy to get a job..no matter where it is.
These employees dont choose to stay..but work in one place untill
they have earned enough to move on or are looking for better employment
while they receive the minimun wage.
has it ever occured to to u that in todays reality world..[not wat u see on t.v]
the unemployment rate is so high..getting a job in the market now is
so hard.

I take my hat off to these supermarket workers..the hours are long..
they have to put up with crap customers and they get paid shit money..
but the thing is ..AT LEAST THEY ARE WORKING !!!!

[bwind22]

Maybe that's because what you HEAR or see in a movie isn't exactly the truth...


Or maybe it's because they fear losing the crap job that they have.


I don't have a problem with you saying what you believe, you're free to say what you'd like, but I have every right to oppose your view. I'm not calling you names or making threats, just saying that I think you're wrong. :)

Agreed. This is a cordial debate, not a heated or mean spirited arguement by any means. But like I said earlier, I think we've had this discussion at least once before, so I'll just leave it at that.

[stubbornforgey]

Employees complain ..no matter where they work or what thier income is.

Its just human nature..

[Psycom5k]

Employees complain ..no matter where they work or what thier income is.

Its just human nature..

Trust me, I've worked for Walmart, they treat you like garbage, you can't open your mouth about how anything is run or your normally fired. The people who run the stores are normally assholes, who show favoritism to certain people, which by the way, for a company that prides themselves on being equal opportunity, its only that way for people that the people who run the stores like, because you could be the right person for the job, and if your "superiors" don't like you, but they like somebody who doesn't deserve the higher position, the other person will get it 99% of the time. Not to mention that the garbage insurance that they offer costs way too much. And on the note of the favoritism, you can get into trouble for the dumbest stuff, being late 2 minutes(which I've seen people get fired over, mind you it was on many occasions but still only a couple minutes) but other people will be stealing merchandise, or worse the fucking managers give them shit, and they don't get in trouble at all.

Call it what you want, Walmart is the worst employer you can work for.

[La Chat Noire]

I think a large percentage of the big retail chains are like that, unfortunately.

[Despare]

Call it what you want, Walmart is the worst employer you can work for.

When my brother was younger looking for part-time work he tried it too and thought the same thing as you. He was lazy back then though...

Anyway, I don't even shop there I just hate people getting all the information they have on something from documentaries that are slanted thanks to human nature. You can believe them, hang on ever word that comes out of Michael Moore-on's mouth, or be a Bill ORly fan... they all have an agenda.

Freak, you're next in line for the package, Maggie's postponed her turn, PM me your addy pal.

[Psycom5k]

When my brother was younger looking for part-time work he tried it too and thought the same thing as you. He was lazy back then though...

Anyway, I don't even shop there I just hate people getting all the information they have on something from documentaries that are slanted thanks to human nature. You can believe them, hang on ever word that comes out of Michael Moore-on's mouth, or be a Bill ORly fan... they all have an agenda.

Freak, you're next in line for the package, Maggie's postponed her turn, PM me your addy pal.

Well I haven't seen any of the documentaries on Walmart, I've worked there, I have 5 family members, and a handful of friends working there, I know how they work. My mother who has worked there for almost 20 years, hates the company, but because she doesn't have a highschool education (My older sisters fault on the account of her being born), she's afraid that she can't really find a job anywhere else. Especially not one that will start her off at what she's making now, which really isn't that much at all for having worked there for so long. So for the most part I'm speaking from experience.

[Phalanx]

Hey, how ya doin'?

[ferretchucker]

Meh. At the end of the day I like shopping there, and as I doubt I'll ever work at one, unless it comes to England, while I'm in America, it's always nice. There's a particular one in Kissimmee that I've grown fond of.

[Kemal]

I know it's easy to hate corporations because they're big, rich and faceless, but I don't think it's entirely fair. Walmart thrives because they're good at what they do. Of course they are self-interested, I would not expect a company to be anything else. But people shop there because they want to; they can get good prices there. And believe me: there are little "mom and pop" stores that treat their employees at least as bad as you say the local Walmart does.

Please forgive me for being blunt here Psycom: if your mom doesn't have a high school education, would she be able to get a job anywhere else? Working at Walmart isn't that bad if the alternative is unemployment.

[ferretchucker]

I know it's easy to hate corporations because they're big, rich and faceless, but I don't think it's entirely fair. Walmart thrives because they're good at what they do. Of course they are self-interested, I would not expect a company to be anything else. But people shop there because they want to; they can get good prices there. And believe me: there are little "mom and pop" stores that treat their employees at least as bad as you say the local Walmart does.

Please forgive me for being blunt here Psycom: if your mom doesn't have a high school education, would she be able to get a job anywhere else? Working at Walmart isn't that bad if the alternative is unemployment.

I missed you. :D

[Psycom5k]

I know it's easy to hate corporations because they're big, rich and faceless, but I don't think it's entirely fair. Walmart thrives because they're good at what they do. Of course they are self-interested, I would not expect a company to be anything else. But people shop there because they want to; they can get good prices there. And believe me: there are little "mom and pop" stores that treat their employees at least as bad as you say the local Walmart does.

Please forgive me for being blunt here Psycom: if your mom doesn't have a high school education, would she be able to get a job anywhere else? Working at Walmart isn't that bad if the alternative is unemployment.

Well I'm sure that she would, but she seriously doubts it. Mainly because the job market is shit in our area, and because she doesn't have her diploma.

[Phalanx]

Tell her to bus' freestyle for chedda.
...and save the animals

[Psycom5k]

Tell her to bus' freestyle for chedda.
...and save the animals

Wow I dunno if you're trying to be funny or what but.... LOL