Sex and Violence

[mrlloyd]

Is sex and violence something that should never be mixed? There is a banned ad on youtube that seems to point in the direction that horror films are moving. Sexual violence is one of the only things that still seems to shock an audience. Check it out:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-n2lG_jetqw

[Doc Faustus]

They're intimately connected, but without insight, occasionally humor and sensitivity, they can't go together. Somebody who thinks rape is peachy keen would use rape terribly in his work. Look at Sade. The writing is bad, ethically skewed and transgressive for the hell of it. Being violent or oversexed without a moral compass is bad news in real life or otherwise.

[novakru]

I feel like I am missing something here...

Anyway... it would have been more effective if she went down on him and then bit his penis off.

[novakru]

They're intimately connected, but without insight, occasionally humor and sensitivity, they can't go together. Somebody who thinks rape is peachy keen would use rape terribly in his work. Look at Sade. The writing is bad, ethically skewed and transgressive for the hell of it. Being violent or oversexed without a moral compass is bad news in real life or otherwise.

* cough cough*
um, yeah, what he said:o

[ChronoGrl]

heather heather
we belong together
like sex and violence
like death and silence
- The Magnetic Fields

As usual, Doc is eloquent, right on point, and I agree with him. And to add to that, if you think about any of the base carnal emotions - Love, Fear (ok, I'll stop channeling Donnie Darko), Anger, Sexuality, etc., they are all extremities of the same sphere.

Love can be just as violent and self-destructive as hate can be any day, it's just a matter of ensuring that your actions (be they violence, sex, or both) are not destructive to yourself or the person(s) that you are with.

And if you want to play the semantic game, violence is synonymous with ferocity, fervor, frenzy, intensity - What's a healthy sexual relationship without passion? Just as long as this is passion, and not a desire to honestly do harm to someone (on that vein, this is the issue that I have with some exploitation films; it's specifically about hurting and degradation, though that is certainly the point).

And, on a personal note, I can't get it up unless there's at least a little brutality. ;)

...

But back on point... I think that directors are constantly exploring different ways to shock an audience. Sex and violence is so passé by now. A prime example of directors moving forward would be Miike in his movie Visitor Q. The movie isn't necessarily about sexual violence - it's about extremeties of sex AND extremeties of violence, created and juxtaposed specifically to test the audience and make the audience question themselves: Which is more disturbing?

[Vodstok]

Well, when you think about it, who do you envy, people who have nice slow comfy sex, or the ones that rip clothing and destroy furniture?


I am a fan of the latter and have destroyed a bed in my time. I done married that girl :D

[ChronoGrl]

Well, when you think about it, who do you envy, people who have nice slow comfy sex, or the ones that rip clothing and destroy furniture?


I am a fan of the latter and have destroyed a bed in my time. I done married that girl :D

*HIGH FIVE*

[Azazel005]

I have a massive grief with the way the media and the entertainment industry manipulate these issues.

Sex and Violence isn't shocking at all to me for the most part, the issue of CONSENT is shocking and at times the media likes to interchange these ideas. I mean no one could be in a sexual, consensual realtionship where there is violence involved? Fuck off, I hate that.

The idea that it is and can be shocking is understandable, but bigotted and short sighted in most cases. It tends to hit to much of a nerve for me to speak eloquently about it I am afriad.

Vodstok, Chrono send those high fives this way when your down this way, for me Sex and the passion behind often leads to a little necessary roughness... and hell a couple of bruises is a damn fine reminder in the morning.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

violent love is the only love for me. ;)

[Ferox13]

violent love is the only love for me.

Amen to that..

[ChronoGrl]

I have a massive grief with the way the media and the entertainment industry manipulate these issues.

Sex and Violence isn't shocking at all to me for the most part, the issue of CONSENT is shocking and at times the media likes to interchange these ideas. I mean no one could be in a sexual, consensual realtionship where there is violence involved? Fuck off, I hate that.

The idea that it is and can be shocking is understandable, but bigotted and short sighted in most cases. It tends to hit to much of a nerve for me to speak eloquently about it I am afriad.

Vodstok, Chrono send those high fives this way when your down this way, for me Sex and the passion behind often leads to a little necessary roughness... and hell a couple of bruises is a damn fine reminder in the morning.

I actually think that you did a fairly eloquent job here... I was trying to put my finger on it last night (HIO - PUN INTENDED), but didn't manage to... The issue, to me, isn't the violence when it comes to disturbing film of a sexual nature, it IS truly the issue of consent. As long as both (or all as the case may be) are consenting people, then the sex can contain all of the violence it wants to.

I feel as though we still preach fairly conservative puritanical views of sex when it comes to pushing the envelop in film. And I agree with Az. Since I have a very healthy approach to sex (and a very open mind), I tend to be offended when particular acts of sex (bondage is a perfect example) are expressed in a movie to try to "challenge" the audience. To me, bondage isn't shocking or challenging; it's when the bondagee isn't consenting that I find myself disturbed at the piece.

*HIGH FIVE, AZ*

[La Chat Noire]

I agree that mostly comes to an issue of consent. The border between passion and violence, for me, is all about whether both people are consenting to it. I have no qualms about watching all kinds of sex acts in movies as long as the characters both want it. Rape scenes, however, make me feel nauseated and O usually have skip past those scenes.

[urgeok2]

violent love is the only love for me. ;)


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[ferretchucker]

Depends on how they're used. They can be appropriate if it helps move the story along or is key. And let's face it, as Urge said in another thread, the key demographic for horror is males aged from (I can't remember exactly) about 16-24.

What's gonna appeal to them? I wonder...

[Roderick Usher]

sex & violence?

Yes Please!

[Vodstok]

Depends on how they're used. They can be appropriate if it helps move the story along or is key. And let's face it, as Urge said in another thread, the key demographic for horror is males aged from (I can't remember exactly) about 16-24.

What's gonna appeal to them? I wonder...
Yep its all about boobs and death. They never seem to get the correlation right though. I think the habit of having the bearer of the boob sbeing the one dying is a major problem. We tend to jail people who kill women. This lends some vailidty to urge's thread about men hating women. why is it that so much of the horror genre, at least slashers, is centered around killing naked women?

one explanation is that the men creating these things have an underlying desire to kill women, and they are inherently mysogynistic, making everyone involved with making them practically serial killers.

I think the more likely explanation is that they cant come up with a better way to get boobs in the movie than to make the victims girls that can then take off their clothes at some point before dying. The casts are usally small, so they cant have characters that arent part of the main cast to be naked, and if they made the killer a chick with her boobs hanging out the whole time, well, thats a porno.

And I think even crappy horror directors like to think they are at least a class above porn directors.